welp the board is full of shills for the latest movie, instead, let us discuss an actual real movie so they remember our name the question of the day is why when you have astronomically large walls, would you put all your soldiers outside of them? did they watch game of thrones and think it was a good idea?!?!? are troyians dumb?? did /tv/ call this shit out in 1200 BCE cause I'm calling it out now for perhaps the first time in history, remember my name its top left of this post
>>221810980It's a flex. It's showing their opponents what's waiting for them if they somehow managed to breach the astronomically large walls
>>221811046130,000 men vs 50,000 troyians I think they'd take that bet and be bolstered by it you slam 130,000 men for 6 months against those walls they'd be pissing in their pants their next shift to go up against them I mean shit they say it in hte movie they can survive a 10 year siege
>>221811110You're assuming that the Trojans are displaying their entire army. These could just be the outside the wall guys with the implication that there's a bunch more inside the wall guys. It would probably make more sense to an ancient Greek since a lot of ancient warfare was trying to psych the other guys into quitting the battle before it even begins.
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>>221811211you might be right maybe in medieval times they figured out to just stay inside the walls with food and shelter while the army outside suffers, but did they even have siege equipment back then I doubt it, walls are the be all and end all let alone be able to shoot arrows at cunts down below and if the stories are true 10 years is a long time
>>221811477They had ladders.
>>221810980>1200 BCE>BCE
>>221811499made of gold?
>>221811477I'm gonna buy the Toy Story ticket and then wander into the Odyssey screening roomOr Moana if the times line up better, who knowsThis move can still be done, right? Haven't been to a plex in a while
>>221811587Probably not, gold's too soft to make anything functional out of it.
>>221811626You should wait for Spider-Man to come out to fuck Nolan twice.
>>221811626I'm sorry sir but this is directed by Wolfgang Petersen
>>221810980>1200 BCEDid it change from BC (Before Christ) and AD (Anno Domini) to BCE (Before Christian Era) and CE (Christian Era) because no liked saying Anno Domini?
>>221811763It's Common Era chud. Of course don't say how the commonality of the era is Christianity.
>>221811763>because no liked saying Anno Domini?No it's because of kikes and libtards who hate God.
>>221811763>>1200 BCE>Did it change from BC (Before Christ) and AD (Anno Domini) to BCE (Before Christian Era) and CE (Christian Era) because no liked saying Anno Domini?>>221811847>It's Common Era chud.Are you my retard-level prof from the Uni who got triggered when I said CHRISTIAN ERA in class and he interrupted me, trying to correct me, then told me to leave when I wouldn't let him bully me?
>>221812485kek did you ask they what makes the era common?
>>221810980I remember watching this movie before reading the Iliad and being so pissed off that Hector actually ran away from Achilles when they finally met for the one-on-one duel and had to be tricked into fighting him by Athena, instead of facing him one-on-one like the movie depicted.
>>221811572always gets a chuckle out of me
>>221810980It's about honor and earning favors and glory from the gods. It's not an actual total modern war, like we had in western Europe since the hundred years wars, or Chinese/japanese civil wars The gods are real. They watch you. They expect great acts of bravery, they have their favourites, and, because of that, your battle is like a chess battle between them. Consider it a royal court tournament for gods, played on the mortal realm by heroes and their armies.And yes, both armies would be slaughtered by post hundred years war western armies. Badly.
>>221813134maybe I should read it too, did ahceelieeeeeeeees really drag old mate hector off and the whole of troy just watched and let him do it cause thats fucked
>>221813235very interesting and very cool and scary but cool
Sallying out the walls was pretty normal in a siege.In the Iliad, Hector leads the Trojans and their coalition of various allied tribes to sally out of Troy, chase the Danaans back to their camp, and then storm their fortified camp and try to torch their ships.Patrocles, wearing Achilles armor and riding a chariot, briefly drives the Trojans back but is slain by Hector. This ignites the rage of Achilles
>>221811110There were no accurate counts of troops back then, both sides would eyeball it and then after the battle would inflate enemy numbers to glorify their victory or justify their defeat
>>221813255Consider the following: what is the origin of the war ?3 great goddesses, Athena, Aphrodite and Hera, are in a competition, in a beauty contest. As an arbitre, they chose Paris, a known lover of women, and each goddess offer him a prize for chosing her. Why a mortal ? Because the opinion of a god has no importance. It's a dispute among great ladies in a king's court, asking a squire, the most handsome squire, the one who had many conquest. And Paris choose Aphrodite, and the price is...Helen. and because Helen is a gift from a major goddess, the Troyan royalty refuses to return her. Then..SHTF
>>221810980>why when you have astronomically large walls, would you put all your soldiers outside of themhow are they supposed to fight inside the walls? Are you gonna open the gates and let the enemy in?
>>221813342This is also true. While the gods are playing their royal game, the troyans want to win, and, for that, They must burn the ships. They want a decisive Victory, not wearing them while hiding behind walls. It's not an option, the gods demand bravery and acts in their names.
>>221813391its a shame that no one loves women anymore and women themselves have forfeited their goddessesness and now they can barely find a man to open a door for them let a lone give them their seat, I'm sure this new troy movie will do well
>>221813495only for a prize pony
>>221810980You deploy your melee troops outside the walls to prevent the attackers from deploying ass ladders and taking your walls. Which gives your ranged units and towers more time to shoot from the top of the wall.>t. total war enjoyer
>>221813520History is like waves, and we are in the dry moment. Sooner or later, the wave will crash the shore again. Men will be men, women will be women, and men will want to conquer them and earn favors from fate.Nihilist societies don't last long usually. I just hope western civilisation, the actual one, not the golem, survives. Not only because it's mine, but because it's legit one of the most interesting...and heroic.
>>221813578*nods in your general direction but never makes eye contact* "ahh 2 copies of 3 day's ago paper pls"
>>221813628if we met we would have many conversations and they would be boring because we would agree a lot and I do hope the same as you
The Trojan War has never been confirmed to have been a LBA event, alternative archaeological work suggests it might have happened in the Greek Iron Age/Dark Age/early Archaic period. The 13th century BC was a date calculated by the Classical Greeks/Roman using Assyrian calendars that was then uncritically used to underpin antiquarian excavation. Metatron-tier YouTube historians wouldn't know this of course
>>221813695But we would share a good meal, bump fists, and share dreams and jokes. Never accept the blackpill. The nightmare is darker before dawn.
>>221813821*The night
>>221813799yeah yeah, you guys said Troy wasn't real too
>>221813799You're an idiot. The VIIa layer has makeshift houses and large storage jars, indicating life under siege. When the layer was destroyed, the stone walls burned hot enough to calcine, they melted into quicklime.There are unburied scorched human remains, weapons, arrowheads lodged in walls. And it's radiocarbon dated to 1177BC. There are no more convincing ruins from the Iron Age.It is true that the Iliad represents the civilizational memory of all the collective sieges of the Bronze Age Collapse, when the Mycenaean survivors of the palatial collapses were rampaging around the Mediterranean, and Troy was merely the most difficult and memorable siege out of many. But it certainly happened
The way I've thought about the Iliad is like, as Greece was coming out of the Dark Age, they were looking around themselves and seeing a new bloom of art and governance and technology, and feeling pretty good about themselves. But they also had this strange, clouded memory, passed down by bards, of their linear ancestors bringing about doom and despair so many cities and peoples, the worst victim of their terror being Troy.So Homer was making a real philosophical suggestion with the way he wove the Iliad into a noble, chivalric story of warrior-kings. In fact the most chivalric story you could think of: bringing home the princess. He was establishing a moral justification for the Sea People's rampage. The Achaeans are not the "bad guys", they were doing the world a favor tearing down the decrepit, corrupt cities of old. They were clearing the land for a new blossom. Hector may be a more patriotic hero, a better family man than Achilles. But Achilles, no matter his own thoughts on the matter, is fulfilling a noble quest, correcting Aphrodite's injustice in stealing Helen away.
>>221813391Note that Athena offers military invincibility and Hera promises sovereignty over all Asia. Paris declining these noble offers in favor of the base, carnal, plant-like yearning for reproduction and beauty and love is what dooms the Trojans.
>>221813799>Metatron-tiermegatroon-tier
>>221815288Yet they chose a known womanizer. Not a righteous captain. A man white. Because, in the end, they are vapid whores themselves.Gods and goddesses in greek mythology, are not some kind of Isekai perfect idéals. They are pieces of shit, all of them.That's why you should fear them, respect them, but never trust or deal with them. They are mankind turned up to eleven on flaws and qualities. But mostly on flaws.Give me a positive aspect of Zeus ? Power ? Immortality ? Strength ? It's all for himself. What does he offer to mortals : rape, zoophilia rape, wars, misery, monsters created by rapes.The thing is: all greek gods and goddesses are demons. And mortals fear them, sacrifice to them, and hope, that, if they commit enough horrors in their names, they will get their favor.Ever through about that ?
>>221817397*A man whore
>>221817397It's not even funny. These beings are terrifying and unfair.Zeus is supposedly a king, yet his realm is in complete chaos 24/7, and he can't stop raping and cucking.Hera is a crazy mom, cucked all the time, and passing her nerves on mortal.Aphrodite is just a whore.Athena is an autistic nutjob with a superiority Complex, and sadistic.Ares is an feral animal, like khorne in 40kHermès is a liar, a tricoter, he enjoys outsmarting people and causing misery.Apollo is a nassircist sociopath, loving himself more than anything.Artemis is a psycho incel bitch, loving to kill for the sake of it.Etc.Basically, the olympus gods are a compilation of mental illnesses and recurring dangerous profiles.
>>221810980Have walls. Hide behind them.The enemy lay siege and just starve you out.
>>221817784Who has enough food ? The thousands of guys who landed on the beach, or the well establishment fortress fed by tributes and taxes ?Tell us you are an american zoomer without telling us.
Why do they need such a massive gate?
