>this is the end of our bronze age civilizationNOLANOLAN
>>221822141did the term>bronze ageeven exist during the fucking bronze age?
>>221822141I don't believe you. I refuse to.
>>221822227No. Its a concept applied by 18th century nerds that isn't even all that accurate
I can't even tell if this is true or not because the retards behind the movie actually would do this.
>>221822141The middle version is the translation Nolan was using. In fact, Nolan loved this translation so much, he claims that its the inspiration for the film.
>>221822915The dialogue is shit. It starts with a rapper who famously got a bunch of people crushed to death during one of his performances and continued to encourage the crowd to crush its way forward. That scene with the dudes running into saplings and being "trapped" for 15 seconds until the knight dudes stab them to death... yeah its real.This is indeed a shitty movieDid you like those Inception boom noises music? It has some of those sprinkled in
>>221822784>>221822915OP here, i am not joking, this is a line from the movie.Nolan made le epic twist that the "sea people" of the bronze age collapse that get hyped up as a boogeyman for the entire movie were actually Odysseus and his men during the Trojan war
>>221822227Isn't the Bronze Age like the last rung of Ages?>Golden Age>Silver Age>Bronze Age>???Capeshit is in it's Bronze Age and I fear what comes next
>>221822884bravo nolan
>>221822141https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_licenseDo Americans even go to school anymore?
>>221822227No. For the people of the Bronze Age to refer to their own period as the Bronze Age would require them to know that civilization would eventually stop using bronze.>>221823026It refers to the material used for tools and warfare.Stone Age = Stone tools and weaponsCopper Age = Copper tools and weaponsBronze Age = Bronze tools and weaponsIron Age = Iron tools and weaponsThis naming convention stops at the invention of steel, since its no longer a useful descriptor since we're technically STILL in the "Steel Age."Naturally, the properties of these materials had a massive impact on the social and economic structure that used them, which is why its a useful designation.
>>221822141dog-whistling the FOURTH TURNING? NOOLANG ain't slick
>>221823243You don't get to mock anyone's education while eating cow dung and forging qualification certificates.
>>221823339
>>221823388retard
>>221823421
>>221823457retard
>>221823475And I'm Anon, nice to meet you
>>221822141>named odysseus cause he goes on an odysseybravo nice writing nolan
>>22182350012 year old retard
>>221822141nolan should be arrested for thishttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pov0MKuyJfg&ra=m
>>221823457reddit retard
>>221822141Why do you guys just want literal adaptations? Do you lack imagination?
>>221822141Xochitl wonNo Xochitl, no watch.
>>221822141>End on the trojan horse burningSUBTLETY
>>221823574>why>strawman>making an idiotic statement>but phrase it as question>now the one addressed has to consider the statement>forces them to come up with a reason>used for opinion manipulation and conversation shapingfallacious faggot
>>221822141No, chud, that is not a line in the movie.Your copes are becoming very desperate.
>>221823254Technically we're in the Aluminum and Titanium age
>>221822945This meme is the ONLY bit of Homeric text any chud has ever read btw.
>>221823705why are you insulting lupita and zendaya like that?
>>221823729Because they're hideously disgusting to look at? My Walmart cashier looks 5 points ahead of them attractively.
This was like a metaphor for how like white people are like the barbarians because the world was full of like commerce and stuff and then the white people "civilized" everyone with their machine guns and bombers and stuff and thats like why white people are not reallly good or whatever cuz theyre like the greeks who were the sea people that ruined ancient egypt and atuff
>Odysseus: I... Sea People.>Sinon: (jumping up and down) Where? Hand me the kinoculars!>Odysseus: No, Sinon... (turns to look at Sinon) Sea People.>Cut to a hundred men in barnacle bikinis sprinting up the beach.
>>221823705Wilson's translation gets even worse the further into it you go. Iambic pentameter and her ridiculous obsession with using it in a poem that historically never used it (but she knows better, of course) hamstrings her so badly that she has to hack the prose up into tiny bite-sized words so that she doesn't go over her syllable limit per line.It's like reading a grade school version of The Odyssey, it's dumbed down for children or women.
>>221822227Not that we know of, but the ancient greeks and romans did refer to the present as "the age of iron" in myths that contrasted the shitty present with a utopian lost golden age
>>221823860You never read it, nor did you read any other translation (or the original Greek, of course).>her ridiculous obsession with using it in a poem that historically never used it (but she knows better, of course)The Odyssey was not historically written in English either. Any English verse translation must choose an English poetic form that the original doesn't have. Greek dactylic hexameter depends on patterns of long and short syllables that do not map naturally onto English stress, whereas iambic pentameter is the established metre of English epic blank verse.
>>221823685It actually is. I just saw it a few hours ago. And I liked the movie. But it’s a real line. Odysseus says it to Penelope near the end
>>221824015>English epic blank verseName one.
>>221824094Paradise Lost, obviously.
>>221824094It is very sad that you have to ask this, chuddie. Exposing yourself again.Paradise Lost.
>>221824123>>221824125I can't wait for the cope the chud has to dream up to respond to this. It is going to be deliciously retarded.
>>221823703Silicon age
>>221823254Thanks for the info
>>221823585shut the fuck up
>>221824232We actually went into the information age after that and are now in the age of noise where communication has deteriorated into an incoherent cacophony of idiocy, fake news and ai generated spam.
>>221824232Silicon is not a metal, it's a metalloid
>>221823705I read Homer for the first time when I was twelve.When I was in college I wrote a paper on the domestic altars mentioned in Od. 22.335.
>>221822141It was a stroke of genious to blast the credits with "Radioactive" directly after, and then having the trailer for Oppenheim playing after. Only Nolan would be so daring to have a trailer for an old movie.
>>221822141did they get the costumes at Spirit Halloween?
>>221824401are negroids a metalloid?
>>221823026>t. Emily Wilson
Indian shill farms has been a disaster for hollywood
>>221826377
>>221822945Jesus Christ, you can see the IQ going down Worldwide so they need to pander to the modern people with the "NEW" english
>>221822227fucking bigot
This film made me racist. How do I go back
>>221822141Nolan needs to hand over writing duties to collaborators, it's always been that way. He's gifted at visuals (though most of what I've seen of Odyssey looks like shit, albeit through cam rips), but he's clearly autistic and shouldn't be writing his stuffCameron has the same issue
>>221823243>Get artistic license>Run red light>Get struck by semi
>>221822784That's not how he phrases it exactly. He says something like "this age of bronze is coming to an end." But yeah, the dialogue is very clunky.
>>221822141>ayo Rigg lemme axe something>we sum kine... sum kine uh NOSTOS?
>>221823254>It refers to the material used for tools and warfare.Way way before Thomsen's three age system Hesiod did actually divide the ages of man into ages of gold, silver, bronze, Heroes, and iron. The heroic age was the period that was doomed to end at Troy.
>>221823254After steel it's less about materials and more about technologies.Industrialization and subsequently digitization are absolutely on par with bronze or iron in regards to how they changed the world.
>>221822141It's straight from Emily Wilson's celebrated modern translation. Do you know Ancient Greek, chud? I thought not. Listen women coded experts of gender!
>>221829249When a girlboss classicist speaks I salute and listen.
>>221823025>Odysseus and his men are the Sea PeopleIt doesn't even make any sense because they clearly tell everyone they meet that they're Greeks from Troy trying to find their way home. Fucking Nolan.
>>221822227Imagine if, in Wonder Woman, Steve said that he was fighting in World War I.That's the equivalent.>"I'm a man.... now mom"This is some of the worst writing and acting since Megalopolis.
>>221823705It's the opening of the Odyssey. One of the easiest pieces to translate. The old school thought was to literally translate and get the context across. Emilx willks thought she can rap and forced a verse format on it. But she isn't Milton or Hsakespeare. She's just a dumb hag with no skills.
>>221822141Did he also use coins stamped with '1200 BCE' on them?
>>221822141Nolan directing The Endo of The Roman Empire>Odoacer just sacked Rome>this is the end of our antiquityNolan directing Columbus movie>Columbus discovered America>That's the end of our Medieval civilization
>>221823705I read only the last part
>>221824401There was also a stone age, is stone a metal according to you?
>>221822141Amerifats already made a decent Odyssey. Strange to see fucking nobody mention this when the fart sniffers act like Nolan did something unique with his adaptation and everyone here says it's shit.
>>221822141>an actual line from the movie>The sailing plan I just filed with the Telemachus lists me, my men, the horse and Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you.
>>221822227No.
>>221824232More like silly coon age lmao
>>221832065gottem lmao
>>221822141Is anything in this fucking movie even made of bronze?
how did they know they were in the bronze age lol
>>221823026There was a mythological series of ages, which went>Gold>Silver>Bronze>IronThe age of heroes was the earlier part of the "Iron Age" in Greek myth.Then there's historical ages which are a modern convention based on the ability of people to create certain materials for tools in prehistoric and ancient times>Stone>Copper>Bronze>IronAnd the Odyssey is set in what we'd now call the Bronze Age of Greece. But it was written hundreds of years later and has lots of anachronisms based on the author's era which was the Greek Iron Age.
>>221822141no way that's an actual line, no one is THAT retarded
>>221829777it also doesn't make sense because half the time they meet fucking cyclops and giants and witch. do the fucking giants travel to greeks island to warn them about sea people ?
>>221822945Honestly,>whose minds he learned ofis some ugly ass preposition placement for a classicist poet.
>>221822227Ages/eras/periods etc are just broad classifications that historians come up with centuries later to make their job easier. How could people back then knew they were in the "bronze" age when they were actually using all kinds of metals and alloys? Even steel metalworks were already known (of course nothing like those ridiculous full body steel plate armors)That said, ancient Greeks did have the concept of golden/silver/bronze/heroic/iron age but that was tied to the progressively lesser divine intervention and decaying of mankind. Odyssey is firmly heroic age for them and it's the only one that features an improvement over the previous age. Still, this classification was made up by a Greek who lived long after Homer's myths and who was coping hard about the good old days and how he was forced to live in a society.
>>221822141>Its going to be woke propaganda!!!its not>the critics wil lhate itthey dont>the fans will hate itthey love it>but look at the same 3 shitty camrip webms!nobody cares>but look at ths one sentence!!!!nobody caresWhat is going to be the next on your cope list?
>>221823705I know Americans think everywhere is just like them but I read Illiad, Odyssey and assorted Greek mythos in primary school as required reading.
>>221824412No.>>221829249No, its not.>>221830387Its the only bit of Homer you are familiar with, due to this meme.
>>221833023No you didn't. There is not a single primary school which assigns the entire 24 books of the Iliad or of the Odyssey as required reading.
>>221822227duh
>>221833109>n-no....>t-that can't beHow utterly pathetic.I bet you don't even know which epithet of Zeus is given in the passage I just cited. I bet you don't even know how read a standard oxford classical dictionary citation.
>>221833159You will never read Homer.
>>221833235I've quite literally just cited a obscure passage from book 22 of the Odyssey to you. Reality being what it is that at the very least requires me to have read that part, even if only just to reference here.Now if you want to continue your sad and pathetic descent into abject schizophrenic insanity as you try various impotent squeezes at gatekeeping common education you will have to do alone.
>>221822227"Did the man who invented college go to college?" - Christopher Nolan
>>221822141>all these replies of wannabe historians ITT>just ONE guy remembers Hesiod's Five Ages of Man I knew the muh historical accuracy crowd was illiterate and historically ignorant, but holy fuck. The Bronze Age was an actual Greek term used by, among others, Greek poet and Homer's contemporary Hesiod. The Bronze Age as imagined by Hesiod was a time of war and chaos, populated by warlike men who were then damned for their violence.
>>221833130NTA but I went to a shitty catholic school in rural Australia and we had to read it in year 7. "24 books" is misleading. The entire English text is only about as long as a single Lord of the Rings book.
>>221831820>Amerifats already made a decent OdysseyBut the director and all the producers of that movie where Italians, and the two screenwriters are British.How is that "Amerifat made"?
>>221833382Yeah but Odysseus didn't live in the bronze age as the term is used by Hesiod.
>>221833333Congrats on your quints, certified Homer reader
>>221824412No you didn't because no domestic altars are mentioned in Od. 22.335.
>>221822945Reminds me of 1984's new dictionary editions, now with less words.
>>221833130The required reading version of Odyssey here is actually in prose because the man who translated it was more concerned with being accurate to the original in spirit than trying to do a hamfisted poetry adaptation. It's only like 350 pages. Illiad I remember being much shorter.You can argue it's not the same as reading the poetry version but it's fine for kids. You get the poetry versions in secondary school, though I think only Illiad.Between primary and secondary in terms of Greek stuff we also read Sophocles Theban Cycle and most of Aesop. I'm probably forgetting some minor stuff too.Now I will admit that as far as I know average kid these days glides by all that on AI synopsis and other bullshit just to avoid reading, but it wasn't always like that.
>>221824094>>221824123>>221824125>>221824169btfo so hard he ran awaychuddie probably believed that Emily Wilson invented iambic pentameter
>>221833333Checked
>>221833806>Illiad I remember being much shorterNTA, but Iliad is the longer one, though. You're misremembering, or you only had to read some of the songs, rather than the whole thing.
>>221833960It's possible. I do remember there being much more focus on Odyssey than on Iliad, you had to know much more about the former but only really get the gist of the latter in primary. It was a while since I've been in school (and it has been reorganized since then) so forgive me for that, but I've had a look over the list of required reading and all I've mentioned still seems to be up on it.
>>221823254>For the people of the Bronze Age to refer to their own period as the Bronze Age would require them to know that civilization would eventually stop using bronze.if it's the END of the bronze age that would make sense, like when cars were invented people said it's the end of the horse age
>>221832850OP here againyou know whats funny? i actually loved the movie. had me on the edge of my seat the entire time. you have to see it in imax.i just thought this line was so hilariously bad i had to post it
>>221823243Is that how you got your degree?
>>221823254There's a huge overlap between iron age and bronze age. The transition from bronze to iron didn't happen all at once, and probably had more to do with the relative scarcity of tin than the supposed superiority of early iron tools. Also iron tool use started at wildly different times throughout different parts of the world, including before 1000 BC in some places.
>>221825776lol
>>221824401Our ages aren't named after metals; they are named after the substance that defines it, like stone and now silicon.
>>221832850>nu-huare you that afraid, shill?
>>221822141>Ayo it's like we some kinna Bronze Age Collapse™Kino, I stood up and clapped
>>221835320>Nordic/Germanic Iron AgeWas even later wasn't it, like 500 BC
>>221823705This. Also chuds can’t accept that Indians and Africans had more contact with Ancient Greeks than Northern Europeans did
>>221836182>This. Also chuds can’t accept that Indians and Africans had more contact with Ancient Greeks than Northern Europeans did
>>221836223
>>221836237well this is wrong since they traded tin with the Anglos because thats what they needed to make Bronze
>>221836510Anglos didn't literally travel from Wales to Greece. They sold the tin to celts on the continent, who sold it to other traders, etc until it finally reached Greece. No Greek person knew where exactly the tin originated until Pytheas, who lived centuries after Homer (and a millenium after the Trojan war), who actually followed the tin trade routes all the way to the British Isles. Other Greek writers then called his travel account a fabrication.
>>221836677>>221836237>>221836182Afrocentrism is debunked
>>221836182one misunderstanding isn't superior to another misunderstanding anon, modern nationalities are totally irrelevant. The inhabitants of Greece descended from a mix of Eurasian steppe and central asian peoples who probably resembled modern Sardinians but already with fair peoples mixed in. The Africans they mixed with were not sub-saharan or west coast at all, the closest match is modern day Oman. The Indians were Harappans aka he Indus Valley civilization and these were not like modern punjabis or indians either, they were probably closest to Afghans. Pic related is a sardinian, omani and afghan top to bottom for reference.
>>221823254We are in the information age
>>221836677>WalesIt's Cornwallt. visited a Cornish tin mine in 1995
>>221837666Cornwall is Wales, just separated by a little water and invading Germanic hordes. They're not a separate region or culture. It's just South Welsh.
>>221823705I read the iliad and odyssey in school but I prefer vergil because I am not a fake chud like the rest of these posers
>>221836677yeah but they at least had some contact with them. they thought black people were a myth
>>221822141i thought i heard incorrectly. can't believe he did say that lol
>>221824232Arguably the plastic age, since silicon is one specific technology while plastic is fucking everywhere (and derived from petroleum, which defines our age even more than computers)
>>221838089No, they didn't.
>>221823243
>>221822945God they all fucking suck ASS.The one we got is the bestt. Italian
>221838924Black folk existed in the Trojan war. BMWs didn't.
>>221822141>Nolan, we are the last of us.
>>221822945lattimores translation is the best, it should be the standard, no need to improve it, maybe some parts are akwardly phrased but its the most accurate while being readable
>>221839155Too bad Nolan didn't find an organic way to integrate that element of history into his historical epic. Instead he shoe-horned it in and it felt misplaced. And for the record; you can remove the DEI elements of the film and still have lots of objective complaints about how bad the film is. The producers are using the old "your racist" trick to try and suppress criticism of the film. It stinks.
>>221822141I wouldve cast Sam worthingtonI feel like hes still hungry
>>221823254Progress happens so fast now that we don´t really have ages anymore. Also we don´t use a single material for everything. Steam engines made of steel then oil then electronics all in a short period
>Are we.. the sea people?
>>221823457dumb faggot
>This is the end of the Middle Ages.
>>221832330>no one is THAT retardedSay that out loud.
>>221832670Lattimore's translation is autistic, he tries to stick to the Greek word order as much as possible. There's a reason Fagles is the standard (though I like Fitzgerald the most)>FaglesSing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns …driven time and again off course, once he had plunderedthe hallowed heights of Troy.Many cities of men he saw and learned their minds,many pains he suffered, heartsick on the open sea,fighting to save his life and bring his comrades home.But he could not save them from disaster, hard as he strove—the recklessness of their own ways destroyed them all,the blind fools, they devoured the cattle of the Sunand the Sungod blotted out the day of their return.Launch out on his story, Muse, daughter of Zeus,start from where you will—sing for our time too.>FitzgeraldSing in me, Muse, and through me tell the storyof that man skilled in all ways of contending,the wanderer, harried for years on end,after he plundered the strongholdon the proud height of Troy.He saw the townlandsand learned the minds of many distant men,and weathered many bitter nights and daysin his deep heart at sea, while he fought onlyto save his life, to bring his shipmates home.But not by will nor valor could he save them,for their own recklessness destroyed them all—children and fools, they killed and feasted onthe cattle of Lord Hêlios, the Sun,and he who moves all day through heaventook from their eyes the dawn of their return.Of these adventures, Muse, daughter of Zeus,tell us in our time, lift the great song again.
>>221839155Aethiopia was in ASIA, they dont mean "that" Ethiopia, retardI bet you think "Albania" is not near modern day Georgia too
>>221836888Too right.
>>221822141>Penelope you WHORE, I've been doing my Odyssey for the past 10 years and you've been courting other men. Give me the bow, I'll shoot them all
>>221823254>>221822141Were you there?
>>221823254>we're technically STILL in the "Steel Age"What about the Titanium Age?
>>221822141I can't wait for the end of our plastic age civilization
>>221843414Uranium Age. Peace among major powers brought about by the metal.
>>221822945top is just literal translation
>>221843570>>221843414>>221836888
>>221822141>the byzantine empire won't help us, svyatoslav, we must defend our kyivan rus' alone
>>221836182Imagine posting a plebbit screencap from a commie female Jew on this site and thinking you impressed anyone.
>>221836237Then why do I have Greek toes?
>>221822141"World War One is almost over, but... the Nazis are coming."
>>221838311Then we are in the carbon age.
>>221822227>he isn't aware we're in the Brave New 20sGet with the program dude everyone knows what the age theyre in is called
>>221822141It's not even the right age - Age of Heroes was after the Bronze Age
>>221822945PROBLEM, CHUDDIE?https://www.ladyscience.com/reviews/emilywilson-odysseytranslation-feministtranslation
>>221822945You also have to ask yourself, with a number of good translation at hand, why do we need another?
>>221844864reminder that no chud has read this, or any other, version of the Odyssey. they just read that Emily Wilson is their feminist marxist enemy in the culture war so they keep bringing her up.I have challenged chuddies countless times to name a single passage that she translates in such a way as to falsify the original Greek. None of them have EVER provided one. They just repost the meme or some interview.
>>221840161kek
>>221822141This is the Plastic Age
>>221843864Jeet Age
>>221833130>Year 2004>SpainIn literature class, we had to read The Odyssey and Don Quixote, which is twice as long as The Odyssey.
>>221845305and no one did
>>221845223Just look at her
>>221846054Yeah thats the quality of argument I expectedYou will never, ever read the Odyssey
>>221822227it's like saying "this is the end of the First World War" back in 1918, when no one knew there would be a second one.
>>221822141>this is the end of our bronze age civilization>uses steel for armor and swordsBravo Nolan
>>221846085I hope she sees this bro
>>221822141I won't believe it until I see/hear for myself and I won't waste my time watching this pretentious piece of shit, so give me a link or get the fuck off.
>>221836182always a communist jew available to teach the dumb white people about how wrong their history really was
>>221823254 No; we had the "Space Age" from the 1950s through 1980s and we've been in the "Information Age" since the wide release of the internet in the 1990s.
>>221846763Its not "your" history.
There is zero evidence Troy existed.
>>221822141Did he say that after seeing the big guys in steel armors?
>>221835248I BOUGHT my IMAX ticket yesterday, im excited to see it!!!
>>221822945ive only ever read the lattimore but holy shit that foid translation is awful
I sometimes hear our own era referred to as the glass age or the silicon age. If we were in the middle of major global societal collapse for some reason, and we expected it to continue, some people would say things like "the age of glass is coming to an end".Odysseus felt that his great betrayal of trust broke the bonds of men and so made a similar comment about bronze.I don't see any problem with this.
>>221822141
>>221848164>the age of glass is coming to an end.Yeah, except no one has ever written that but you and Odysseus wouldn't refer to their age as the 'bronze age' implying that there's more (better) ages to come.
>>221848403>implying that there's more (better) ages to comeI'm not sure he does imply this. If anything he considers the trojan horse/sacking of troy/desecration of athena/etc to have semi-permanently broke the fragile bonds of man. In the ending speech he says the next generations will be illiterate and will remember these tales only through song. I think he ends with a hint of optimism about things eventually improving and civilisation getting another chance, but at best this is predicting "bronze age attempt #2, please don't fuck it up this time" not "iron age".(Similarly, by saying "silicon age" I'm not necessarily implying that there'll be subsequent "graphene age".)
>>221822227They wouldn't call it an age of bronze because if you haven't advanced to anything better how would you know it's the bronze age. It'd be like a WW1 film being made and having an actor say they are in World War 1. It's fucking dumb
>>221849495https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war#Etymology>The term "first world war" was first used in September 1914 by German biologist and philosopher Ernst Haeckel, who claimed that "there is no doubt that the course and character of the feared 'European War' ... will become the first world war in the full sense of the word">In English, the term "First World War" was used by Lieutenant Colonel Charles à Court Repington as the title of his memoirs, published in 1920It would be a stretch but wouldn't be a completely insane line.
>>221848308kek
For all his Odysseing, what did Odysseus actually learn? How did he grow from his experiences? What's his arc? When will we finally admit that Homer is ancient slop that only survived because it appealed to common denominator peasant sensibility and bardic mediocrity rather than exhibiting any actual artistic merit?
>>221850102>muh character arcsHomer wasn't a female millenial writer, fag
What will our age be called?
>>221832656don't think about itjust feel it
>>221822141>someday, people of the modern age will think of this moment!
>>2218509972012-present, age of retards
>>221829777the talk about 'Sea People' probably had already spread to neighbouring islands during the 10 year Trojan war so when Oddyseus and his crew going back home everyone already aware of the Sea People
>>221850997advanced meta materials age
>>221823585she needs to get her forearms waxed
>>221833382Hesiod dated the Trojan war to the Heroic age.
>>221833382Fuck off pseud
>>221823254Nah we went through a Lead up until the last few decades. We were using Lead for fucking everything. If we could find a way to put Lead in it we put Lead in it damnit!
>>221850997gay retard era
>>221823457Retart
>>221823705Americans over the age of 25 read the odyssey in highschoolUnless you are black then it was read to you
>>221853462wow how many times do they have to fail
>>221822915Its true. The last ten minutes or so of the movie try and push a message that the destruction of Troy sent the world into a dark age and that eventually society will build itself up again by telling stories and songs. The entire movie pushed the idea that there's boogiemen from the sea looking to invade which turns out to just be Aggy's lost soldiers btw XD
>>221836182In a lot of art Memnon is depicted with Caucasian features, not dissimilar to the greeks. Pic rel for example is a vase from 500 b.c. showing the duel between Achilles (left) and Memnon (right), with both having near identical faces and even similar armor. This holds true even when he is depicted along with his soldiers, with the latter having African features while he lacks them. IIRC, some writers like Herodotus actually suggested Memnon was from Susa and conquered the Aethiopians, though i think this is just them trying to retcon some inconsistencies away long after the fact. Rather, it was more like the Greeks treated Aethiopia as a fantasy land of sorts, where anything could happen. You have white people, black people, dog people, all sorts of shit going-on down there. Think the legends surrounding prester John and the Christian kingdom he was said to have founded in far off exotic lands; the familiar being found in the foreign. It's a similar attitude being applied here.>that seething over Matt Damon1.) dumb yenta clearly never heard of the Nordic or Atlantic bronze ages, or their involvement in Mediterranean trade. If black people can depicted in greek myths because they traded with them, north-westerners can too2.) Matt Damon can pass as a greek if they put some effort into the make-up (not that they did, lmao), because Greeks are caucasians just like north-western europeans are. The same can't be said for Nyongo.Matt Damon is objectively a shitty actor and poorly cast, but not because of his race or appearance.
>>221823705>make this claim because you're projecting your own lack of literacy>get repeatedly BTFO>n-nuh uh you didn't actually read itWhy do leftists insist on humiliating themselves like this?
>>221823026>saggy titsSTILL WOULD>jewessSTILL WOULD
>>221823254Pepe age
>>221831820That movie was boring as shit but it definitely wasn't badSome autist definitely set out to make a "the return" movie and nothing elseIt's honest
>>221839155Do a sloppa about Penthesilea too!
>>221824123>>221824125no that anon but paradise lost was a fluke, and the last epic ever
>>221831855its called a ship manifest but im not trying to shit on you i like when anyone becomes a fan of maritime exploits
>>221833382homer lived 400 years after the sea peoples so why didnt he do what nolan changed his story to
>>221836182nordics and anglos can disguise themselves as greeks and anatolians far easier than the woman nolan picked as helen of troywhy is that
>>221836677a single one comes back across on a tinboat and BOOM contact
>Oh god, I just started World War One!
>>221837781there is zero evidence of the welsh border earthworks between london and cornwall, all of it is north of the southwest peninsula
>>221838311we are in the AI age, because now we have "The Chinese Room" for all programming languages
>>221836182Literally in the last thread someone is arguing for the ahistorical northern European look of many of the scenes by saying that Greek/Mediterranean peoples were engaged in regular trade with the British Isles for tin, and therefore stories of sailing in the north sea could be amalgamated with a Mediterranean myth. Why are the people shilling for this movie so intellectually inconsistent, are they stupid?
>>221838830why was there no attempt to make the woman in the vase pretty
>>221822141I remember that line in Homer.
>>221823025What if *we* are the real barbarians, eh? Eh?
>>221823254I prefer "The Solid State" to refer to our computer age.
>>221828617Yeah but James Cameron makes great films (okay, forget the Avatar nonsense).
>>221836182There were two Ethiopias.
>>221823585live action el dorado when
>>221822141>OUR BRONZE AGE [Africa, Near East (c.3300–1200 BC)East Asia (c. 3100–300 BC)Eurasia and Siberia (c. 2700–700 BC)Europe (c. 3200–900 BC)Indian subcontinent (c. 3300–1200 BC)] IS ENDINGb r a v o r a v onoland
>>221833333Συγχαρητήρια
A MANA THOTA TRICK
the age of bronze is overthe time of the iron has begun
>>221822945>removing the side by side reference to the day of the return and the sun godAbsolutely barbaric.
>>221844864Disgisting, disgraceful tattooing
>>221822227No
>>221822945That's just the kind of shit you tell your chatgpt to change the wording so you wont get accused of plagiarizing when you need to finish your paper or some shit.
>>221844864of course it's a yenta
>>221836182>Dude, nigger and street shitters lived in Ancient Greece. Why is this so hard for you chudsDo libtards even know they're alive?
>>221844864>feministtranslation
