>mogs your boring, grey, depressing, limp, impotent leftie revisionist Odyssey Marxists lost.
hope Peter Thiel pays you well, nigger
>>221835369This shitty movie mogs nothing, jeet, go back to twitter
this is a leftist movie
>>221835369Very historically innacurate casting
>inspired and uplifts you with tales of heroism Thank you Troy (2004)
>>221835369Correct. One thing I've noticed is that there are a lot of "bot" reviews under the audience on Rotten Tomatoes for The Odyssey. They'll do anything but give us the movie we want. Sad.
Show me a better fight scene than this in the Odyssey, you can’t.
>>221835391Aren't the Jeets the ones trying to shill The Odyssey?Or did the tables turned and now they hate it now?
troy is a much worse movie and I haven't even seen the odyssey
>>221835397At this point, you're probably going to say that The Iliad itself is actually Leftist Anti War piece.
>>221835525Elon hates the odyssey, Elon Loves jeets, jeets love Elon and there are millions of jeets on Twitter. So you jeets try to change the narrative and pretend that only jeets like the odyssey
>mogs geriatric Fatt Damon, Tom Holland and the Punisher This is what a hero looks like
>>221835369Troy is about fighting the fight. Odyssey is about feeling guilting about it. You could say Troy is the fairy tale, while Odyssey is the disenchantment if the fairy tale.
The purpose of myth is to inspire, not to depress people and make them feel empty. This is why Troy (2004) is the more faithful and superior adaption.
>>221835369Troy was schlock and Brad Pitt is not a good actor
>>221835397>main character is a blonde Aryan giga chad By today’s standards it’s practically Nazi propaganda
>>221835673>implying the Odyssey is good>implying Fatt Damon is a good actor Troy mogs it easily
>>221835369Troy is one of the best movies ever made alongside side with LOTR.no i don't care about your limp reddit opinion.
>>221835369>Marxists lostWhat in the living fuck is Marxist about Odyssey?
>>221835830Everything. It’s limp and gay and destroys any notion of heroism and honour.
>>221835566Not that Nolan had a bunch of fanboys in India?
>>221836314Nolan literally put a jeet in the Odyssey as a major supporting role to appeal to jeets
>>221835369Makes the odyssey look like ai slop in comparison
>>221835369Does he get your boipuccy all nice and wet, Marina?
>>221835566Elon just hates it because he's white. Odyssey is a brown movie for brown "people".
>>221835817True.
>>221835425This is a extremely poor attempt at scholarship riddled with factual errors. She seems more interested in Victorian mentalities than the bronze age near east, which is reflected in her grasp on the period and to labour under the delusion that we know anything about the mentalities of the historically mute Bronze age peoples.>what we call england and the nordic countries today were entirely unknown to the Greeks and TrojansThis is a pretty major gap in her knowledge. Baltic amber has been found to have been used in the majority of the Tiryns-type beads assoicated with Mycenean culture and in Syrian royal tombs. Cornish tin was used in bronzeorking on the Peloponnese.What would have been impressed on her had she any formal education in the bronze age in even a very general sense, or had picked up a book on the subject is that the late bronze age was characterized by long range trade networks. Should she learn about this she will no doubt be besides herself to her that these linked the near east and Aegean with Lapis mines in modern Afghanistan, maybe less to that they included both baltic coasts, mines in Cornwall, the Alps and Ore mountains of Germany and Czechia.A load of bombastic rhetoric with no basis whatsoever in archeology or history. Which circus did she run away from?
>>221836987>This is a pretty major gap in her knowledge. Baltic amber has been found to have been used in the majority of the Tiryns-type beads assoicated with Mycenean culture and in Syrian royal tombs. Cornish tin was used in bronzeorking on the Peloponnese.That doesn't mean everyone knew what those places and people were like. Only the merchants did. Shit from China has been in Europe since classical antiquity, that doesn't mean Romans could tell you about China, where it is, or expect to see Chinese people in their cities and villages. They would probably be shocked to see such different looking people.
>>221836588Yeah exactly, I was replying to this guy which basically said the opposite >>221835566
>>221835611>Odyssey is the disenchantment if the fairy taleso Nolan took the story with sirens, giants, cyclops, witches, hydras, wind-containing vases, trips to hell etc. and decided to make it about disenchantment?
>>221835723No actually nothing in my post implied any of that, retard.
>homosexual german director makes a better movie than an anglo nepo babythe nazis were right
>>221836987They traded through intermediaries. There's pretty much zero reason to assume direct trade relations.
>>221837423>homosexual german>The Nazis where RightAnon... I...
>>221835425> Etiophians and Nubians were everywhere one millennia before Christ so we can now fill the film with niggers>But greeks didn't know about Hyperborea when there are already descriptions by people older than Homer.This woman is writing falsity, and there were no blacks on Troy unless one really traveled outside his world.Being nice, a black dude in the north of Egypt for some reason deciding to try to make some money in a war far away when no side went to ask for mercenaries there wasn't happening. It's even harder for an Indian traveling that much, and black indians were in the farthest side possible.Helena was an spartan, not even exotic.Just a good jew doing her average.
>>221837466The Nazis were pretty gay in the classical sense so it checks out
>>221835425Didnt read.
Why can't the hollywood Jews just face the fact that these stories are about gods that predate their three or so gods? Once they do that I think they will start actually telling the stories as they're written.
>>221835830>>221835382It is for tasteless, West hating retarded cocksuckers who need to see niggers and trannies on screen to properly process oxygen. Can't get more marxist than that.
>>221837466>he doesn't know
I'll take capeshit historical reenactment over whatever the fuck nolan tried to cook
>>221836775elon loves brown people, especially jeets. he wants to rub jeets all over his face.
>>221835391fuck your communism and jeets you stupid fag, go back to plebbit .
>>221836987bodied that freak>>221837168>That doesn't mean everyone knew what those places and people were likehe never said as much, and not sure why you think it relevant. mendacious twitter kike wants to claim a nigger playing Helen is less outrageous than an anglo playing Odysseus because of trade connections without doing the most rudimentary scholarship on how the 'bronze age' came to produce the alloy it was so named after
>>221835515I think Eric Bana is hotter than Brad Pitt
>>221835515its fake as shit but>eric bana fighting practically, borderline desperately>brad pitt dancingreally demonstrates the power dynamics at play
>>221837614>on how the 'bronze age' came to produce the alloy it was so named afterBronze Age is much older than that and first bronzes are from the Caucasus.
>>221837601Liking a capeshit-tier movie that even Brad Pitt said it was a piece of crap it's how you fight COMMUNISM/GLOBALISM/REPTILIANS/GAYFROGS! holy fuck amerilards are retarded
>>221835369This movie was kino and I’ve always felt this way
>>221837572>He also doesn't know
>>221837733Did you even watch the Odyssey? It’s absolutely farcical and unintentionally comedic.
>>221837168>that doesn't mean everyone knew what those places and people were likeThat was never claimed. Her assertion is that for bronze age Greece northwest Europe was entirely unknown. That is demonstrably untrue.The Romans were by the way extremely well aware of China, it being the source of their dearly bought silk, and the destination of at least one embassies>>221837446While that is certainly true we still have to bear in mind that trade passing through middlemen doesn't mean that the markets at either end would have been unaware of each other. These networks were far too specialized for that.I will give you that the Syrian king buried with amber jewelry from Southern Scandinavia probably had a very nebulous idea of where it came from.
>>221837423Wolfgang Petersen is straight, bro. Are you confusing him with Joel Schumacher (who is American)?
>>221835369>gay panic Iliad mogging anythingIt's just hilarius they put Achilles with so many women to try to convince people he was straight
>>221837952It's an American movie, you can't have a gay hero in a blockbuster. They even had two women in his bed in the first scene.
>>221837822>The Romans were by the way extremely well aware of China, it being the source of their dearly bought silk, and the destination of at least one embassiesSee >>221837168
Achilles wasn't gay. In literally the first chapter of the book he's butthurt that Agamemnon took one of his sex slave girls.
>>221835382>all internet discourse is just jeets calling other people jeetsGrim
>>221838020Lol at chuds projecting their chuddery onto ancient history, you polcels so fucking delusional
>>221835830Cleopatra
>>221838050(You) are FUMING
>>221835382yeah someone paying an anon to shill a movie from 2004 makes so much sense...retarded viral marketeers.
>>221838049I mean that's because turd worlders are like 90% of the internet nowThe funniest aspect of this enshitification is that you'll see thirdies who literally live in slums using pronouns online and identifying as lgbt
>>221835425True, there are Ethiopians in the Odissey but there are no ''nordic/germanoids'' in it. We literally have ancient Mycenean genetic samples and they cluster closest with the people you'd expect to...Greeks and Southern Italians. Pitt and Damon should've been cast for movies about vikings, not for movies about ancient Greeks, they look nothing like ancient Greeks
Can someone explain to me how it's woke to cast a black actress but it's not woke to cast someone who looks like a Finn like Matt Damon to play an ancient Greek? Both things are historically inaccurate, so why are poltards only seething at Lupita Niongo or whatever her name is, hypocrite much chudcels?
>>221835817Factual.
>>221837446They've literally found scandavians and central Europeans in mycenean era Greece.
>>221835425holy wall of text
>>221838337Many people hated Brad Pitt as Achilles, Hollywood has always been Hollywood, but now they don't cast actors, just diversity hires.
>>221835369>flops
>>221835369Needed more fantasy elements, it's a mid movie carried entirely by Brad Pitt.
>>221838479They didn't. Not a single one. The most "Nordic" Greek samples look like Albanians. Those are very early samples (2300 BCE) from some cave in Northern Greece.
>>221838337They don't like black people. Everything else is in service of that.
>>221838337There are people who look like Matt Damon and are Greek. I don't mind the black actress casting (it's literally a fictional story, and modern cinema doesn't need to confine it to a specific race) but Damon as a Greek isn't as far fetched as Helen being black.
>>221835369>no godsI dislike this as much as I dislike Nolan's Odyssey,
>>221838663the problem with people trying to grasp the demographic situation in the Bronze Age is that they tend to conflate it with the classical period in Greece which was nearly a thousand years later. Mycenaeans probably looked like modern day Sardinians so caucasian, light to olive skin and brown to green eyes typically. There were central european influences from bell beaker peoples especially on mainland Greece so there'd be some fairer haired and blue eyed people but far less than in classical Greece.
I would much prefer people get over raceblind casting in adaptions of myth broadly, whether Greek or Egyptian or Yoruba or Hindu, than live in a world where any adaptions require phenotype checking the entire cast before being made. I am not happy living in a world dominated by the anal retentive.
>>221838663>fictional storyok let's Cas Gosling as the next Black Panther then if it doesn't matter.oh wait, if it doesn't matter then WHY FUCKING CHANGE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?!
>>221838762Both Mycenaeans and classical Greeks look actually similar. Closest genetically to Deep Mani Greeks. The biggest change happened in Roman times (shift towards Anatolia) and then later with the arrival of Slavs. They were obviously Mediterraneans. Most likely always.
>>221835830The subversion of western canon is marxist approved.
>>221838587No, they have found multiple samples who cluster with central Europeans or have central European ancestry and they have literally found a Scandinavian who was raised in Scandinavia (confirmed via strontium isotope analysis) burried in myceneans era Cyprus. This ancestry starts increasing dramatically around the late bronze age, when the Odyssey would have taken place.
>>221835382Don't be a faggot. Troy was regular Hollywood slop, but at least made in the pre-woke era where casting was done based on merit and with ticket sales in mind rather than absurd ideologies and anti-aesthetic considerations.
Troy had some bad accents, but at least they were consistent with their accents across the board. The Odyssey is all over the place with weird British and American accents and feels totally off. Tom Holland doing his Spider-Man voice, Hathaway doing a terrible posh English accent, Pattinson doing a weird wormy New York/Brooklyn accent or something, Matt Damon just being himself.
>>221835515>They haev shields>Big shields even>They actualy use their shields in combatIf only the spear breaking wasn't there, as if you could so easily snap a reinforced shaft like that, but still I appreciate that they actualy had spears either way.
>>221835546When was the last time you watched Troy? It hasn't aged badly. As others have pointed out the fighting choreography is fun, and Achilles' portrayal is genuinely good if you can look past Brad Pitt's ridiculous American accent. It's simply a solid epic movie made in the wake of LotR.
>>221838971Holy autism. You realize Achilles was a demigod trained from childhood by a centaur, right? You're really going to nitpick about muh wooden staff?
>>221838762Bell Beakers have nothing to do with ancient Greece, the little Steppe ancestry the bronze age Greeks had (4-18%) came from another source that is unrelated to other Europeans. And it's also the opposite of what you said, Bronze Age Greeks like the Myceneans were more southern shifted than Classical Greeks and later Greeks, so they would have even less frequency of fair features than later Greeks
>>221838894The Cyprus sample is most likely a wrongly dated one. From what I remember it's not carbon dated and people on genetic forums expressed their doubts about this sample. I don't think it's even from Mycenaean era, it's supposedly from pre-Mycenaean era (1700 BCE or so). >This ancestry starts increasing dramatically around the late bronze age, when the Odyssey would have taken place.It doesn't. >samples who cluster with central Europeans or have central European ancestry Name one sample.
>>221835369Haven't seen or have any interest in seeing Odyssey but Troy was utter dogshit.
>>221838894Holy delusional wewuzzer
>>221839033your mom's a wooden staff
>>221835515Scene got more cuts than a emo girls wrist
niggers and jews
>>221839230nta but do not take ancient genomics seriously, it is currently getting massively shaken up by incoming multi-variate studies and the past ten years or so is getting thrown out the window.
>>221839203name 1 movie better than Troy
>>221839230The Scandinavian outlier is real. It's CGG_2_022535. The sample is weird and many people noticed it. It came from a Swedish excavation, it doesn't look as any locals, it's clearly a Swede, it has I1 Y-DNA which funny enough is one of the oldest if not the oldest I1 ever found (including Scandinavia). From what I remember the grave had grave goods that seemed to belong to a woman, but the skeleton was a man. I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just very unlikely. There's now like 150 samples from the region. They all look very similar and broadly cluster together.
>>221839443>is getting thrown out the windowThey don't. Do you even have any source for this.
>>221835369Even Brad said it’s shit
>>221839138illiterate anon, I literally said Myceneans were less fair than later greeks, BECAUSE they had less steppe ancestry, though what steppe ancestry they had was as far as anyone knows related to the Bell Beaker phenomenon from the late fourth millennium BC.
>>221839568well he's a retard so who cares
>>221839709Nope it wasn't, you have no idea what you are talking about>No, the steppe admixture in Mycenaean Greeks did not come from the Bell Beaker culture.>Archaeogenetic data shows a deep genetic divergence between the Indo-European-speaking groups of the Western Mediterranean and the Eastern Mediterranean/Aegean:>The Western Route (Bell Beakers): The Bell Beaker phenomenon was responsible for carrying Yamnaya-related steppe ancestry into Central and Western Europe (such as Britain, France, and Iberia). This Western European lineage is strongly associated with the R1b-P312 Y-chromosome haplogroup.>The Balkan/Eastern Route (Mycenaeans): The relatively low amount of steppe ancestry found in Mycenaeans (~4–16%) arrived via a geographically distinct migration corridor. It moved directly from the Pontic-Caspian steppe downward through Southeastern Europe and the Balkans into the Aegean.
>>221835397most quoted line from the movie: >All my life I've lived by a code and the code is simple: honor the gods, love your woman and defend your country.a leftist movie, sure anon...
>>221835515with sound its better. but they gutted the score in the newer releases. the original music was just a simple drum beat and it was so much more effective at building tension than the dramatic meme music they put over it in later rereleases.
>>221835369OP once again was a faggot
Not gonna pay attention to the autism debate going on here but I remember the Odyssey mentioned something about Odysseus having golden blond locks
>>221835369Casting an ugly monkey as Helen killed Nolan´s movie on the spot. It´s just unconvincing to start a war over that. Meanwhile Troy´s sales pitch is about sailing just for the chance to fight alongside Achilles and attain eternal glory, which admittedly works mostly because Pitt really sells the part by looking peak.
>>221839230Idk if you know how to read a heatmapb but theres plenty of semblance in western europe, the only reason youre even using Finn is to have a straw to grasp.
>>221840056Sean Bean Odysseus >>>> Fatt DamonDamon just plays him as a weary, grumpy and tired middle aged man. Bean really sells it as the legendary king and warrior. And Ralph Fiennes is a better Odysseus too in The Return which is also a better movie.
>>221839869>and defend your countryfrom the alt-right White danger to our democracy fascists that claim Greece was never a multicult, open boarders, trans loving economic zone
Miles better than The Odysseyhttps://youtu.be/GPvLT6F461E
>>221840290Matt Damon has finnish ancestry and clearly looks like a Finn. If you put a bunch of Finns in Greece they'd clearly stand out from the locals, you are delusional if you think they can just blend in
>>221835369based. I hope Nolan kills himself eventually
>>221835425ACHILLES IS DESCRIBED AS YELLOW HAIRED IN THE ILLIAD.
>>221835515>Show me a better fight scene than this in the Odyssey, you can’t.
>>221840853Blonde Greeks are different from blonde Germanoids, the overall features are still different. There are plenty of Brits with dark hair and yet casting Arabs to play Brits just because they have the same hair color would clearly be inaccurate
>>221841161All I see are two Aryans
>>221840877Was that bow enchanted or something? He barely has to nock it back and it hits like a barrett 50 cal. Nolan is fucking retarded, play a video game or something man and learn how fighting works.
>>221841161
>>221841219You are blind if you can't see they have very different phenotypes
>>221835369>gets mogged itself by colorful late 20th century Ancient Greece movies without gay ass yellow filters
>>221841351I don’t care about that hyper autism gay shit. Believe it or not but not everyone conforms to a phenotype anyway and you can have very Aryan looking Greeks and Italians who dont have Germanic genes.
>>221841428There's no such thing as Aryan look. Real PIE look like cavemen fucks.
This movie really made me hate Paris so much
>>221841457>There's no such thing as Aryan look.Except all the millions of people that look like Aryans. Nice try schlomo.
>>221835369>mogs your westernized, hollywood anglosphere horseshit made by people who hate greeks and the mediterranean.
>>221841533Aryans were some brown looking cavemen fucks from the Volga. They were big, stupid and violent. Buried themselves with stone maces and boar tusks. Most of them were dark haired and brown eyed.
>>221841161>casting Arabs to play Brits just because they have the same hair color would clearly be inaccurateThey've already done that with rami malek and no one cared
>>221835675youre not gonna believe this, lil bro
>>221841588Nah Aryans are children of the Solar deity and have gold coloured hair and skin
>>221841618This is Nazi shit. Why isn’t he black and trans?
>>221835432Maybe this film was uneven in parts, but the casting alone was beyond anything possible today.
>>221835611People generally agree with this view, but I would take it slightly further and say that the Illiad is about the promise and glory of youth, and the Odyssey is about the grinding realities of old age. Achilles was right to die heroically.
>>221841768because /pol/acks think that communism was invented by gay californian petit-bourgeois pink capitalists for some reason even though every 20th century communist thought that gender and sex politics was western decadent bourgeois bullshit
>>221841893The Odyssey by Homer ends happily though with Odysseus getting back his wife and killing the suitors
>>221842104Well yes that is what Marxism is now. Marxism was always an ideology that was in direct contention to traditional Western ideals and so it morphed into something new.
>>221842173indeed. its similar to fascism in that regard. both are opposed to the traditions of feudalism, mercantilism and capitalism that developed in europe. its just funny how little chuds know about the communists and how similar they truly are in thought. its like they somehow actually think that stalin and mao are the reason for people putting gay blacks and removing panty shots in their vidya gaymes
>>221842339Stalin destroyed the Russian Church which led to rampant degeneracy though
>>221842547He destroyed>the church>military tradition>social traditionFor almost 20 years, just to very quickly bring it back in 1941-45 when he realized communism wasn't giving people the cultural unity needed to resist the invasion. By 1945, everything was back. All it took were military blunders that cost millions of lives. Mind boggling if you think about it
>>221838615Based.>>221838179Spew your poison elsewhere, libtard.
>>221842339And yet it was the bolsheviks that decriminalised it in the first place then Stalin realised that was too embarrassing for their PR
>>221842547they didnt destroy it, even though they wanted to. they persecuted the church, but realized quickly there was no alternative to the christian faith of the people, and realized that the church could be more useful existing than being actively wiped out. stalin was more lenient on churches than anyone before him, if anything. a christian soviet union wouldve been great.
>>221840457What the fuck are you talking about.
>>221835515Looks like a TV movie.
>>221835432Greeks raped underage boys.
>>221842125Yeah, and then in the next part his son kills him and fucks his wife.
>>221842814kinda, but there were already varying opinions during the 20s. both within the party and in the general population. in the 20s, many of the bolsheviks in the communist party wanted to classify homosexuality as a mental disorder to be cured and saw the decriminalization as a means to further that specific cause. largely i'd also argue that the decriminalization was a reactionary position in order to whatever was the opposite of tsarist russia, which is why, as you said, stalin eventually just went back to recriminalizing it.
>>221835369This film fucking sucked.
>>221842619It's called reality poltard, there are Ethiopians in the Odissey and they are described as ''amymones'', it means "blameless," "noble," "incomparable," or "worthy." They are viewed as a righteous and morally pure race, entirely free of the hubris or corruption that plagues the Greek heroes in the storyYou know what you won't find in the Odissey? Pig-faced germoids like you
>>221835515This is the only scene ever posted from Troy.
>>221842918Not in Homer’s tradition that is a later addition like the Disney Star Wars sequels
>>221843064Chuds think greeks tales were beautiful and heroic but they are filled with misery.
>>221837362>so Nolan took the story with sirens, giants, cyclops, witches, hydras, wind-containing vases, trips to hell etc. and decided to make it about disenchantment?In a thread praising fucking Troy, you want to complain about demystification?
>>221842912>Greeks raped underage boys.You are mistaking them for Iranians and Palestinians.
Brad Pitt for two and a half hours:
>>221843131More interesting than Damon moping about like a bitch
>>221843151Is it?
>>221837362He used some feminazis adaptation, so what do you expect
>>221843271Yes, The Odyssey is a depressive movie full of whiny bitches. Odysseus’ jeet captain is more heroic than he is.
>>221843276is that what twitter told you to repeat about books you've never read?
>>221843374Sounds extremely accurate to the Odyssey.
>>221843436No it doesn’t. The Odyssey is quite comedic and light hearted as it was told as a tale to children for generations.
>>221835369This movie was also terriblr
>>221840877The virgin 2026 half billion slop production vs the Chad 1997 made for TV special
>>221843507Yeah, in a massively toned down form. They also made children's versions of Gulliver's Travels that kept the fantastical situations and a smidgen of the satire but none of the misanthropy.
>>221843585The Odyssey is a story about a man and his soldiers trying to get home but he can’t because he blinded Poseidon’s chud son and Poseidon is really angry at him
>>221843661Ok.
>>221835382>I said nigger! that means I'm not a brown reddit transexual!
>>221839033This is the lowest IQ possible take and the people who make it always act like they're the only adult in the room
>>221841265It's sad how fucking slow the arrows are moving and you can see it clearly even in the shitty webms of shitty cam releases
>>221844052>WEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I dont think Nolan is a marxist..
>>221835515I was alive when this movie came out. The entire theatre held its breath in anticipation during this whole fight. It was electrifying
>>221835830Cultural Marxism seeks to use race and sex to divide and destroy so that a new revolution can emerge. The idea comes from Herbert Marcuse in the 1930s
>>221842846> they persecuted the church, but realized quickly>stalin was more lenient on churches than anyone before him, if anything.lol what? Lenin was out by 1922, he was only in power for a few years. Everything after 1922 (19 years of horrific destruction of the church) was Stalin. He only brought the church back in 1941 because the Germans invaded.
>>221835369Didnt brad pitt hate this movie?
>>221835391/thread
>>221845713I looked it up since a couple people have said that this thread and it basically seems like he was slightly embarrassed by how overly heroic he was portrayed which seems like a retarded complaint, but I guess he felt like he was playing a proto “super hero” rather than a pretentious “serious” role and he wanted to be taken more seriously as an actor.
>>221845910Twitter jeets love the odyssey though
>>221845962No one gives a shit, chud. I'm sure they like bread and water too.
>>221846017Calm down sarr
>>221846077I love how chuds are dumber than literal children thinking by claiming something it just becomes true.
>>221839869Sounds leftist to me. Doesn't mention trannies, jeets or niggers once.
>>221845962lol
>>221841265>Was that bow enchanted or something?Yes. Athena also cast stealth on him
>>221835369Both are bloated big budget Hollywood blockbuster slop.
