So uhm, what did Nolan mean by this?
The Odyssey was already wokeified.Just read it. You'll see.
i just saw the movie. i didn't understand why odysseus took "revenge" against the suitors since he wanted her to remarry
>>221837090There was the attempted murder of his son.
>>221837038Your talking point isn't taking hold because good propaganda has to have at least a kernel of truth in it.
>here are the new things to be mad about guys, update your scripts please
>>221837090>but sire... what was our crime???
>>221837152BEING DUESCHBAGS
>>221837137all you have to do is read it, anonIt reads as though written by a woman
The third point is a completely valid take tho>The Sea Peoples were naval raiders who triggered the collapse of the Bronze Age.>They are generally seen as a mix of Phoenicians, Sicilians, and especially Mycenaeans aka Greeks>The Greek armies destroyed Troy and then sacked and raided as they sailed home.>The Trojan War (if it actually happened) took place during the Late Bronze Age.
>>221836988You betcha. And you enjoy watching that, but I am still openly placing a curse on anyone who spends real money on it. Enjoy those spider eggs!
>>221836988>My whole motivation is to get back to my wife but I also want her to be with other menb.r.a.v.o
>>221837213It's not because the Trojan war was post-BAC and the Greeks didn't see it as the end of an age but the triumph of one.
>>221837090Yeah, the remarrying request makes no sense. She promised to remarry if he died then thought he was dead but still waited with no intentions of remarrying or doing anything while ithaca is rapidly decaying.
>>221836988>how it's bringing about the end of the bronze age and greek civilization>which is complete nonsenseFACT: the Mycenean civilization came to and end at roughly the same time as the Destruction of Troy (or Willusa or what have you)FACT: The Trojan war was thought of by Greeks as the last hurrah of the heroic age (Hesiod, Works and Days, lines 155-169b), and a conflict engineered to kill of the heroic race of demigods.This person should read ad damn book instead of hanging out on twitter all day making a fool of themselves.
>>221837333Why the fuck do so many people here talk like the Bronze Age collapse is settled history?
>>221836988He wants the entire /tv/ catalogue to be filled with threads about this movie made by triggered bitches. It's worked quite well.
>>221836988BUY AN AD--4CHAN STOP LETTING THEM ADVERTISE FOR FREE
>>221837390Inceldom bad
>>221837365 Quit defending this trash using fucking chatgbt for sources.
Nolan is in hollywood so probably 95% of people he interacts with on a daily basis are feminists, homosexuals, jews, and POCs. Its a miracle they even managed to make a movie about a heroic white male at all.
>>221837038>smashing your enemies' children on their burning city's walls is woke>thirst for knowledge is woke>spirit of adventure is wokeGood to know
didn't read, post her tits
>>221837090Plot holes. That's why. You cram woke shit into source material that has none, and you end with story that makes no sense.
>>221837470The last two are. Never met a boomer conservative that cared about expanding their horizons.
>>221837470Ditching Calypso to go back to you wife and child is cucked when he could stay with a literal nympho having sex all day
>>221837090Because they were violating Zeus's law as openly stated
>>221837513I think the most gracious interpretation is that Odysseus just developed as a person and changed his mind. Like when he escaped the cyclops undetected but attacked him anyways because he was determined to bury his dead men but only put his men at risk by having to escape an enraged cyclops but later he tells his son to forget about burying the dead as to not jeopardize the main mission of infiltrating the crowd of suitors. In a similar way, he learned from the ghost of his fallen men to "not go through the front door expecting praise" so he disguised himself as a beggar and begged for food to see if these suitors were good noble men but they were not. He gave them a chance but they failed.
>>221837090In the original epic, Odysseus tells Penelope to remarry once their newborn son is old enough to grow a beard. It's his way of saying "if I don't make it back in ~16 years, assume I died"But she disregards this and keeps faith in himHer son, despite never actually getting to know his father, chooses to remain clean-shaven until he's almost 20 because he too still believes Odysseus will make it home.The suitors aren't killed because they want to fuck Odysseus' wife, but because when she keeps stalling they decide to effectively stage a coup and occupy the palace, living and partying for 20 years while eating Odysseus' food and drinking his wine.A major theme of the original story is Greek Hospitality. Odysseus sees the monsters he encounters as savage and barbaric because they do not offer him and his crew the expected hospitality. But by the end of the story he returns and murders all the shitty house guests that have been taking advantage of his. The suitors parallel Odysseus' crew drinking the Cyclop's wine and eating its cheese, parallels them squatting in Circe's island villa, living on Helios' island and slaughtering his sacred cows and so on. And so he murders them all just as all of his crewmen were murdered.
>>221837711>but later he tells his son to forget about burying the dead as to not jeopardize the main mission of infiltrating the crowd of suitorsThat's another massive plot hole, and shitting on ancient Greek tradition at the same time. Burying one's dead was a taboo. It was a must. Athenians ostracised a very good admiral, simply because he lost some men on the sea. During Greek civil wars they regularly exchanged the dead.Odysseus returning for his men was canon.Odysseus telling his son not to burry dead was sacrilege of the highest order.
>>221837422I seems to remember stating my source quite clearly, and it not being chatgpt. I'll link it for you since you seem to be a retarded baboon who can't tie his own shoes. >https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Hes.+WD+155&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0132>q-quit correcting us when we lie about history, can't you see t-that we do this is for important culture war reasonsYou dumb hysterical masturbation victim. I do not give a shit about the nolussy. I care about one thing and one thing only: history being misrepresented. And I am going to continue to correct barely sapient cretins like you on both side of this retarded spat who try your sub 80 IQ hands at revisionism to win internet arguments over the woke odyssey.>y-you probably only do this to [my team]Ape.
>>221836988>Penelope... gives a feminist rant about how she has the "experience" to be a monarchBut she says this while acting hysterical and immature and being unable to control her emotions, while her son shows the strength needed to lead
>>221837090They killed his dog and wanted to kill his son
>>221836988Homer's poems are themselves subversive towards Greek ideals of honor and morality, which points to him probably being of non-Greek origin, particularly since he was noted as being born in the East. Odysseus is extremely Jewish in character and behavior, which is why Jews have always lionized him, and why James Joyce named his Jewish character in Ulysses after him. Homer himself might have been Jewish, like the Greek version of Spielberg or Kubrick, creating myths that were intended to mock the ideals of their host civilization.Rightoid idiots like Elon Musk and Scott Greer who are whining about this movie being "subversive" are just being their typical un-analytical selves. Subversive towards what? Odysseus is a savage war criminal and liar who destroys a holy city, signaling the end of the age of heroes. He is not any type of ideal, at least, not a Greek ideal. There isn't anything remotely Greek or Western or Aryan about him, unlike actual Greek heroes such as Perseus, who embody ideals of courage and honor. Right wingers as usual are falling for the oldest Jewish trick: opposing the latest Jewish subversion by defending the previous one.
>>221836988Thats its not a movie for chuds.
>>221837038It's literally pro-rape and pro-slavery
>>221838978>two paragraphs of liesHomer likely didn't exist and is just a chosen pen name for a collection of stories from different authors or sources.
>>221836988Community note: the person who typed this is morbidly obese and a virgin.
>>221837470>>smashing your enemies' children on their burning city's walls is wokeI googled this. it was just Astyanax was the son of Hector, the crown prince of Troy
>>221837884>>221838291>>221837470
>>221837884None of this in the new movie.
>>221836988>>221837038IDIOThttps://www.ladyscience.com/reviews/emilywilson-odysseytranslation-feministtranslation
>>221836988also odysseus doesn't hang all the female servants in this version reee
>>221837884>>221836988>In the original epic, Odysseus tells Penelope to remarry once their newborn son is old enough to grow a beard. It's his way of saying "if I don't make it back in ~16 years, assume I died"NOOOO I DON'T WANT THATI DON'T WANT PENELOPE TO REMARRY RIGHT AFTER I DIEI JUST WANT HER TO THINK OF ME FOREVER!FOR... 10, NO! 16 YEARS! AT LEAST!!!
>>221836988>what did Nolan mean by this?1. You should let your wife fuck other men2. It was HER turn3. Trump wars = bad
You made me look up this grifter and his stupid tweets
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>>221837110Because Odysseus is stoked to be cucked and have random dudes cum in his wife's pussy, but Gods help you if you hurt his son! KEK
>>221836988> I have the experience to be monarch! > In what way? > Shut up!
>>221837368Because they don't know what they're talking about. They were given a talking point to defend slop
>>221837090I mean.Even if we ignore the whole “stealing your wife” thing, these guys at least in the story were a bunch of rude tyrants abusing the city, eating the cattles and planning the assasination of the Prince .All of this ignoring their worst sin, which was going against the rules of hospitality, which is ancient greek was a sin worse than anything else (the kidnapping of Elena was legittimated by Agammennon as Casus Belli because Paris kidnapped/had sex with her while he was Menelaus and Elena’s guest.)
>>221836988>conservatives always complain when war is portrayed as a bad thingI'm curious to understand why.
>>221836988In 1968 italians were able to make a 6 hours Odissey series that was more faithful to the poem, had better actors, better costumes, better special effects and better action scenes without spending a gorillion dollars for muh shitty imaxhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/tsiiJFul30w
>>221842607they're annoyed because women and gays don't understand it at all
>>221842065>>221842108He beat his wife.
>>221842055>someone: war is bad>right-wingers: STOP ATTACKING TRUMP
>>221842607the alternative to war is subjugation
>>221842908>if we don't attack Iran they will produce nuclear weapons or some shit idk >*ruins the world economy*
>>221838100Everyone can tell you're using a bot, dude.
