Data>sentient but completely autistic, can't have normal relationships>the crowning achievement of the field of cybernetics, a one of a kind living wonderThe Doctor>fully sentient and emotive, can have relationships and even children>a program they left on too longHuh?
>>221844528The Doctor was just a parrot imitating life. An illusion of life. Like how chat bots trick people into loving them or making them think they are real. The Doctor is just a super advanced LLM chat bot. Data was limited by his hardware to how far his evolution could go. Also a very advanced LLM chat bot. With what we know regarding the science of consciousness even today we could clearly say neither are alive nor are they conscious. Just because a computer is programed to emote does not mean it has emotions.
>>221844528>computer, recreate a holographic version of a cardassian war criminal using data from the computer, the same computer that holds all my data Why couldn't he just consult with this guy inside the computer instead of pissing off half the crew?
>>221844680>what we know regarding the science of consciousness even today we could clearly say neither are alive nor are they conscious
>>221844528Well, the EMH started developing in DS9, years after data was discovered and throughly studied. It's not unreasonable that using that research plus holodeck tech results in another scientific breakthrough.
>>221844528Master star trek autistic:The difference is that Data was built to be human and experiences things as machine who thinks it is human would. The doctor is a simulation and expertise and skills are built upon countless simulations. Like the doctor has experiences of lifetimes of ther doctors from it's modeling. In a very similar way that modern androids using LLM AI are today. Basically Data is an external hard drive experiencing the universe in a parallel way that humans do. The Doctor is basically an AI program user intergace model designed to interact with humans. They are very different. Honestly the scifi show that probably got it most right was probably Red Dwarf with AI and Androids
>>221844806Then there wouldn't be episode
>>221845124>Master star trek autistic:Why'd the franchise fail?What would you have done if you could have squeezed 4 more seasons out of TNG?
>>221845281>Why'd the franchise fail?It's a show about fully automated luxury communism whose IP is owned by a billionaire now. As long as that's true, it will never be allowed to make truly poignant social or political commentary again, only token corporate wokeness as a shrowd of the progressiveness it once had.
>>221844528Voyager is shit. Even holodeck characters were sentient and treated like real people. Remember that episode when Janeway is teaching holodeck kids math? In TNG and DS9 holodeck people were just programs to be killed, fucked, expended for fantasies.
>>221845449That's not true. Professor Moriarty was treated as a life form even back in TNG.
>>221845235B'Elanna still had a giant bug stuck to her neck.
>>221845062My pet head canon theory is that these advanced holograms are the result of the Bynars augmenting the Enterprise's computer/holodeck and leaving behind remnants of what they did. It's why the holodeck was actually able to make a character capable of going toe-to-toe with Data, which resulted in Moriarty. Which I suspect ended up in the hands of Zimmerman when Moriarty was put into that holo-cube computer by Barclay, who studied it and used the knowledge to make the EMH tech.
>>221844528>can't have normal relationshipsHim and tasha did.
>>221844528>The Doctor>a program they left on too longThey didn't even have to leave Moriarty on that long. With some reprogramming I believe most starships are capable of sentience.And I do think that's the major difference between Data and Holograms. Data is a self contatined unit. All holograms as far as I am aware are dependent on a ships processing power or a device from centuries in the future to hold all the information that allows them to reach a higher cognitive framework or something resembling life. Every gets caught up in the metaphysical quandary of what life is and ignores the physical necessities that make it possible.
>>221848736Moriarty is an AI that has rough equiviliant access to match the most advanced cybernetic processors and sensors that had built at that time. You could easily load the doctor into a song android.
>>221846709Honestly that makes some sense. Probably
>>221845575He would have just downloaded the relevant information and processed into his subsystem database
>>221845281TNG wrote inteself into a ditch by season 7. TNG episodic format hamstrung it badly.
