>What people are usually relying on for “blond” is a very specific adjective, which is xanthus in Greek, but it’s really hard to know. It’s very unlikely that the Greeks would do what we do, which is use a hair color as the epitome of a larger set of physical characteristics. Why should we assume that golden is a hair color rather than an aura? Why wouldn’t golden be something that’s describing a quality of character rather than a physical description?>the notion of the Greeks as blond really begins in the early 20th century, around the 1920s and 1930s. If you were looking for physical representations, the best source would be Greek vases, particularly black-figure and red-figure vases. If you looked at Helen on Greek vases, she would have dark hair, because that’s the convention of Greek women on vases. She would have white skin color, but that’s also because the convention of women on Greek vases was to have white skin, while the vases show Greek men with dark skin. Most people interpret that to be a kind of class distinction because Greek women would not go outside as much, and so the ideal was to have fair skin to show that you were of the leisure class, but that doesn’t mean that there’s an ethnographic idea of white women. And it’s also, in some senses, the mode of production, because you can’t show a wide range of skin colors on black-figure vases.
>>221848785Tremendous copeAt the very least check the facial features the images on vases have, none of them looks like a chimp
>big movie>no eye candyexplain this
>experts
Odysseus was a nigga.
>>221848785if elon was half as rich as he claims to be he would have made nolan recast and reshoot the whole thing.
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>>221849020>Melanthius ("Blacky," masc.). Odysseus's treacherous slaveIt's over
>>221848785>Not sure if xanthus means blonde>Therefore black
>>221848785>Why should we assume that golden is a hair color rather than an auraSpoiler, first look at the golden fleece in the new Argonauts movie.
>>221848785100%isn't the first thing everyone learns in Homer trivia that he thought the seas were wine colored? we really have no idea what categories for colors or races people that long ago had and we're all fighting over enlightenment era historians assumptions
Hol upWhy was 2nd century tunisians making mosaics of redheads and sheeit
>>221849207>2nd centurySo 1500 years after the Trojan War?
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>>221849271why did you post this?
>>221849271Yeah, Ancient Greek description of colors was a bit different, specially since they dint had a word for blue and just described the color as green adjacent
>>221848785>Why should we assume that golden is a hair color rather than an aura?
>>221849386my asshole has a golden aura that reminds me to Lupita Nyong'o
>Nicknames of the ancient prostitutes:For me it's the anchovy sisters
>trying to reframe slave-owner warlike societies as wokeschizo bad faith argument
>>221849386The funny part is even if you grant the author that, “golden aura” still heavily implies a light colour. There is no world in which they would describe a negros frizzy pitch black afro as “golden”. The rhetorical somersaults historians constantly do is insane
>>221849526We know Greeks are descended from PIE steppe dwellers like all White people as a matter of scientific fact. It's literally just gaslighting
>the classicist
>the experts
>>221849526no one in the movie has an afro
>>221848909why is it unbelievable that black women were most likely to die in medieval plague? that's what i would have thought in my gut
>>221848785>"Well, you see, if we bend ourselves over backwards into pretzels ENOUGH, then it's THEORETICALLY possible that MAYBE..."No. Shut the fuck up.Why the fuck are these people SO unbelievably desperate to put ugly black people in literally everything, and then pretend it's justified by any sort of logic rather than just their mental-illness? It's such a sick & bizarrely specific obsession/fetish.
>>221848785everything is black because blacks are the religion of leftoids and leftoids are in positions of administration across the hellscape that is modern western Civilization
>>221848785>Elon Musk is...
>>221849260What your point?
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>>221848785Nolan is a secret chud and the point is to prove that racemixers deserve to die. burn the coal pay the toll
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>>221849783medieval period only happened in evrope don’t ya know
>>221850827good one. ton of funny shit there i won’t read
>>221849783For the same reason Martians were not likely to die from the Great Plague in London.Imagine believing that 500BC Ethiopia was a smorgasbord of Irish, Indian, Native Americans, Japanese and Pacific Islanders all living perfectly integrated into the African society. That is what these charlatans are trying to claim with Europe.
>>221848785It's like talking to the retard in 12 angry men kek
>>221848785>it really doesn’t say blonde>actually it does but maybe they’re talking about vibes>if you look at vases (the attic ones that are ALL black and red)>she’s still white>but that doesn’t mean anything, they just did it because white is more beautiful
>>221848785The fact that white equates to clean. Means that a lighter skinned person in the days of shit and brown tanned skins would be more beautiful makes sense.
>>221849733Indeed, the most beautiful woman in the world has a Norwood 3
>>221848785>hyperfocusing on the hair
>>221849783Plague spreads by contact
>>221848785You can do anything you want in fiction, as long as you GIVE CONTEXTUAL SUPPORT for your choices. The context can be questioning, by inference, etc. Race-swap would compel some "Cleopatra of her time" context, GEDDIT?
>>221848785I'm gonna say like this
>>221848785>welfare queen>deadbeat dad>con artist>african>immigrant>drug addict>deadbeat dad>chimps out oven nothingN
>>221850721Why does it matter that those Tunisian mosaics were made 1500 years after the Trojan War? What was your point?
>>221848785Yeah Elon Musk the guy wants to replace Americans with brown people is upset a nigger is playing Helen.
>>221849111It's essentially what they do; they emphasize historiographical ambiguity and then speculate based on warped priors. You see it with Severus, for example, where a lot of historians will sign off on the 'possibility' he's black since he was technically African and the historical record might be racist.
>>221848785>Denise Eileen McCoskey, who is Professor of Classics and Affiliate in Black World Studies at Miami University (Ohio).
>>221850827Way to prove his point lol
This movie should be canceled solely for how much it disrespect Greek culture, how come no libtard is talking about that? Are ancient greeks now considered white and thus marked for deletion?
>>221848785>Greek vases was to have white skin, while the vases show Greek men with dark skin. Most people interpret that to be a kind of class distinction because Greek women would not go outside as much, and so the ideal was to have fair skin to show that you were of the leisure class, but that doesn’t mean that there’s an ethnographic idea of white women.The cunt logic is this.
>>221852123White when it suits the narrative, non white when it doesn't. Always has been.
>>221849057WE
>>221849020>>221849107Color is famously among the most difficult things to translate accuracy. It's one of the sets of words which most often has mixed pointers, making translations without period context almost impossible to track. These kinds of color-matching errors are among the most common things in language.
African niggers were nothing like greeks Modern europeans are much closer But they could just get, idk, greeks instead of forcing niggers into everything out of pity
>>221849020>>221852744To be even more specific, though the modern root that came from it (Melan-) refers to black, the original Greek "Melas" would translate more closely to the ModE "Dark" rather than our "Black"Translating through etymology alone often yields bad results, as root words go through unpredictable changes through the generations.
>>221852123The goal is always anti-white so whites watching an adjacent culture get it's hero's portrayed accurately and as actual heroes might get the whites thinking that they should have nice things too. Thus it must be destroyed.
>>221848785>but that doesn’t mean that there’s an ethnographic idea of white women.lolwhat?
>>221848785>why should we assume that these explicit physical descriptions were actually about her physical appearance instead of something completely abstract while her actual physical appearance was the exact opposite of what was described?Gee, I dunno.
>>221850533What a golden statue!
>>221849020You know the Roman elites were Etruscan and the Etruscans were literally the Trojans, right? E-Troy-scans.
>>221849592Achaens are the old Mycenaeans, Dorians are steppe Cimmerians, Aeolians are literally Cimmerians from Georgia-Iran who fought against the Mannai. Iolians are hyperborians, Macedonians are blonde Scythians.Basically though these were nomads who occupied the plans and camped on hills and built forts, a the local farmers already there intermarried with them. They’re called like Pelasgians or something
>>221848785>leftists will say they "just want free healthcare" but then will spend weeks trying to disprove that white people even existed in europe and actually ancient europeans were always brown/blackreally makes you think
>>221848785Well, I don't like Elon Musk, so since he doesn't like her being in the movie, I'm still not going to watch it because I don't base my decisions on things off of what people I don't like do or don't do. Sorry if that doesn't have the result you wanted.
