They had very good chemistry, they could have worked. Nikki is looking for true love ("a love story, not a romance") and is leaving town because the men in her life have failed her: Ian is just using her as a "freaky Nikki" sex doll, Bear is failing to actualise their bond. It's not that Nikki is secretly obsessed with Bear, but that she saw Bear as attractive and decent, a loving friend, and that could be a base for a romantic and sexual love too: "a love story". Nikki would have stayed in town and given Bear a shot if he'd been honest, she is asking as a final check before leaving town to confirm that she must go elsewhere to find love.Bear failed when he became another Ian and was content to use her as a "freaky Nikki" sex doll too. With Ian it was always "super casual" and expected, but Bear betrayed himself and their prior deeper bond with his cowardice and avarice in failing to truly love Nikki.Late Nikki's "why won't you love me" lament to Bear is also the real Nikki speaking to Bear's failure from the beginning to the end of the film to truly love her, and a repeat of her reason for leaving town at the beginning: that the men in her life had failed to truly love her, and that her life story (and novel) needed to be found/written elsewhere.
>if he had said yes, she would have given him the chance whilst simultaneously cancelling her plans to move in 2 weekstry harder next time
>>221849580It’s established in the movie that Nikki and Bear have been friends since high school. I think if she really liked Bear, she would’ve made it known somehow years ago.
>A love story.Romeo and Juliet is a love story, Captain, and it did not end well.
>>221849919>>221849629>>221849580They were both indecisive cowardly idiots. That is the objective tragedy. The film does not work otherwise. It's a classic supernatural forces tormenting people for their mistakes sotry.
>>221849629She was very soft on the plans: "I'm not sure," "I just think." She was leaving on a whim and sense that her thing with Ian was going nowhere and had become deeply disillusioning, and that Bear was just spinning his wheels.
>>221849978In the early script it was a Romeo and Juliet retelling. Orignally Nikki and Bear did love eachother, Bear does go through with his suicide under his own free will out of true love for Nikki, and the real Nikki does commit suicide with the gun ot if despair when she sees her true love Bear dead.The twist that Bear never truly loves her, needed to be compelled by the wish magic to truly love Nikki and seppuku, and Nikki's rejection of Bear (pushing his body away at the end) and realisation he was another Ian, moved it away from being a Romeo and Juliet.
>>221849580>>221849629>>221849919>>221849978>>221849994>>221850039>>221850156
>>221849994Yes, it takes more from King Lear's: "As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods; they kill us for their sport." Bear's cowardice and timidity are prosecuted, Nikki's search for love is mocked. Sarah's hopes for recognition are smashed into a brick, Ian's desire for smooth unserious party sociabilities are ruined over and over.
the way she cornered him, she shouldn't have done that. she was trying to force him to confess, not having an actual heart to heart where they could sort things out.
I want Inde to sit on my face
>>221849580Women who let themselves be used for sex by d-bags like Ian do not deserve love.
>>221849919She says no one would know if she had a crush on them. The post-wish part of the movie taints your view of Bear and Nikki, if you re-watch just the first part ore-wish you can see their natural chemistry and how they get along like love birds, free from any of the sexually-exploitive taint of "freaky Nikki" or the empty situationship that she has become disillusioned with with Ian.
>>221849580I think your analysis is right but this notion if "le sigh, why won't the good guys just speak up" shit in the age of "talk to me and I'll say you raped me" is a bit rich, and I say that as a married man with children
>>221849580I think the Hansel and Gretel poem kinda confirms how Nikki felt about him, she saw him as a brother, and the demon didn't understand the difference between that and romantic sexual love. He didn't specify in his wish what kind of love he wanted either.
>>221850355It's a last check to see if there's any reason she should stay in town before leaving to "write her love story". They were both supposed to have a heart-to-heart that night, both of them intended to: Nikki says in the phone call, Bear practices with the waitress; and they both dodged it until the last moments of the evening together.
>>221850565Completely wrong read of that scene. She 100% saw him as a potential lover/boyfriend.
>>221850565Anytime a girl confides in you that she's having trouble finding love, she's 100% fishing for you to man up and try some shit.
I don't think it's important whether pre-wish Nikki like Bear or not. No, Bear is not using Nikki's as a freaky "sex-doll". Bear was trying to have a normal relationship with Nikki but the nature and instability of post-wish Nikki prevents this from happening. It's crazy that people kinda miss this. Bear isn't even a sex-craved kinda of guy. He had sex with Nikki like once in the movie lmao. The relationship was falling apart very soon as Nikki become unstable and Bear starts to figure out that the real Nikki is trapped in the body somewhere.
>>221850565Catholic theology says you should love your wife as a brother, and also make passionate love with her. They're not opposites. They did care for each other as brother and sister, but it doesn't preclude that they couldn't grow from that as a base to romantic and sexual love, maintaining and uniting with the philia/friendship as a true love.What it couldn't abide was denying the brotherly care and degrading it to sexdoll slavery, which Bear accepts and consciously decides to do at some point.
>>221850669>I don't think it's importantThat's fair but it does add to the tragedy that Bear could have been an adult and gotten the very thing he wanted, instead he was a fag and cracked the genie stick.
>>221850732Nah, Bear more likely to miss out on a healthy relationship with Sarah rather than with Nikki.
>>221850787Sure, either way he was a fag with the genie stick
>>221850669Bear himself doesn't understsnding what he is doing. That the tragic element of the movie, he's not aware of his failings and gets lead and tortured by the events/magic, like a Macbeth figure. He's not consciously seeking to turn Nikki into a sexdoll, in his mind he would like a relationship of true love with her, but the magic exploits his cowardice, and because of his cowardice, both before and after the wish, he is unable to truly love Nikki, and is content to keep her as a sexdoll.
>>221850852But he doesn't content with keeping her as a sex doll. He was drifting away from Nikki as soon as he found out that it's not the "real" her and Nikki started to escalate her threats of suicide, emotional manipulation, and eventually murder (of sarah) to keep him from leaving
>>221850787He'd bottle Sarah for the same reason he bottled Nikki. He more or less does in the movie, Sarah dies because of him.
>>221850971This is completely woman logic. He is partial to blame for Sarah death but Nikki was the one killing Sarah. He would have a total normal relationship with Sarah if he gives up on Nikki. Sarah already likes him and she is willing to take initiative to start the relationship.
>>221850576if that's so, it also makes Nikki a coward. the way she started the subject was very insensitive and it should have been dealed in a more mature manner. she knows Bear since they were teens, so she was supposed to know he wouldn't respond well to this kind of approach.
>>221851065You're giving a young woman way too much credit
>>221850969And he's two cowardly to do the decisive things the magic required:>kill Nikki as she asks>drive demon Nikki to suicide and thus fulfil real Nikki's request>kill himself to liberate Nikki out of true love>not be Ian's little bro bitch and find someone responsible to make the reversal wishAdding to his original sin of being too cowardly to be honest or make a move on Nikki in their seven years together.He is content to keep her as sex doll. He never shows demon Nikki true care during her moments of insanity, he first attempts to police and punish her ("you can't do that Nikki") making his love contingent on her "being normal", rather than something caring like offering to get her psychological help preferenced with a promise that he loves her unconditionally even as a lunatic. And then he gets intimidated by demon Nikki's outbursts and gives up. He suspends giving care to Nikki and by default accepts her as a nutcase sexdoll. He wants to "modify" the wish, not reverse it and restore the real Nikki, so he can keep a wish-Nikki as a compliant "normal" prisoner.Demon Nikki's outbursts that he doesn't truly love her are also accusations about him backing down to her outbursts: if you did really love you wouldn't let them psychologically collapse because they threw tantrums, as tough as those tantrums are to bear. Bear's certainly not brave enough to stand up to a demon.
>>221851052"He would" is doing a lot of work here. The problem is he's too cowardly to dare and make the move, too cowardly to renounce Nikki and move to Sarah. This is Bear's fatal flaw the magic/tragedy exploits. You and I can see he'd be a good match for Sarah, but matches had to be actualised by the people themselves. In a world without willow wishes Bear would have stood by silently as both Nikki left town and Sarah left to art school.
>>221851065She's waited seven years and given up hope on her future in the town. She has decided to leave to find her love story. Her question of Bear is the last challenge (Ian is already incapable of love) to the men of the town to love her before she leaves.
>>221851371Killing Nikki, killing himself, or intentionally driving demon Nikki to suicide are pretty extreme actions that even normal people can't make easily. I don't blame him for thatThen you blame him for not finesse his way with a literal demon with little human sense of ethic or moral. He does shows genuine care and tries to support who he thought was Nikki to his capacity but get brushed off. Yes, he did get manipulated by demon Nikki because he's too soft, but not because he's malicious. I don't see the angle of him treating Nikki as a sex doll. Like he barely just stay close to her so demon Nikki doesn't crash out and threaten to kill herself (and by extension, killing Nikki).
>>221851884Didn't stop Romeo or Juliet, or Mark Antony or Cleopatra. He knows Nikki is being tortured in some demon world/nothingness. A real love would free her. Love should motivate grand actions and gestures. Look at all the crazy things wish-Nikki does out love: she kills for love. And wish-Bear has no qualms about killing himself for love.I agree it's a tragedic drama, it's not a comic drama where the characters are exposed to mundane things and get happy endings. They are confronted with grave things their flaws lack the ability to control and are cruelly driven to their fate.He gets bullied into accepting Nikki as a sexdoll and wants to maintain a relationship with a modified wish-Nikki, not the real Nikki. The attempt to stop his suicide shows he never truly loved her, so in what way was his relationship with her any better than Ian's relationship with her? They both got freaky Nikki, and at least Ian got it on his own merits whilst Bear was managing a prisoner into compliance.Bear doesn't leave town, or renounce Nikki, or take any of the dramatic actions the events demand of him. The plot asks him many questions and he fails all of them.
>>221850355She was visibly upset he didn't confess so she could just crush his hopes and get one up on him to feel better about herself
>>221852216Wouldn't Bear leaving town and abandon Nikki make it worse? Like he just accidentally caused her to be unconditionally in love with him then just leave her?So him just leaving Nikki that night to see Sarah was a good move? If Nikki hadn't caught up with them and kill Sarah, then it would be all be good?
>>221852540He still goes along with the relationship. You can say he's bullied into staying, but he still stays. And he stays not just out of cowardice but because it's what he wants: a complaint and available Nikki that is devoted to him, not the real Nikki. His efforts in the movie are to manage her outbursts, and modify the wish to achieve that end, not to escape from the curse or free her from it. He lies to Ian and Sarah to manage their concerns, he doesn't seek their help to either escape or free/help Nikki up until the reverse wish request of Ian at the end.He goes to see Sarah because Sarah bullied him into it, again his choices are motivated by cowardice. And in the car when he sees the difference between the artificial love of wish-Nikki husk puppet versus the sincere affection of Sarah in her full person, in the time allotted to them he still can't actualise it into a romance.If he'd made a break with Sarah and attempted to escape, but Nikki still hunted them down, you could say at least he was valient and took a courageous choice. But he never does at any stage in the movie.Leaving town is an example of the alternative choices he could have made rather than used Nikki as a sexdoll. It would have been selfish and bad for Nikki sure, but more honest to the fact he didn't actually love her, and he wouldn't have been using her as a sexdoll.
>>221849580Bear is a idiot The moment a girl starts acting crazy like this you should get out
>>221849580Nikki just wanted Bear as an orbiter. That's the real scary part of the movie for women, thinking that they could lose control of their orbiter and instead be forced to chase them.
Announcing your love to a woman almost never works out and completely burns the bridge with her
>>221853624She was about omro leave town because all the men had failed her. She was giving Bear one last chance to check in.
>>221853632Nikki was leaving the bridge. She was giving Bear a chance to cross it. There wasn't going to be a bridge in two weeks, fear of burning it is BS.
>>221849580>would have given Bear a shotWhy are you content with a relationship only given out of pity? It blows my mind how anyone is fine with being someone’s second choice
>>221849580Nothing was ever going to happen. Bear was six feet deep in the friendzone. Nikki had no attraction or even respect for him as a man. He was her harmless little buddy and that's all he'd ever have been without the wish.
>>221850669Bear is a rapist anon...
>>221849978SHUT YOUR BITCH ASS UP SPOCK YOU KNOW DAMN WELL IT WAS A TRAGEDY
>>221854549Watch the opening again without being tainted by the whole wish-arc. They definitely had chemistry pre-wish. In the earlier scripts Nikki is in love with Bear, some of that is still retained in the construction of the plot. What Nikki is over is the situationships she has with men: sexual with Ian, platonic with Bear. She can't write her love story with the men in town and realised she needs to move on from both Ian and Bear to find real love in a new location. She's giving Bear a last chance to shake that conviction. She's not obsessed with Bear, but she values what they have and is open to it becoming more. She does not want a sex situationship with Bear or to become his "freaky Nikki".
>>221854511There is no such thing as a pity relationship. Love is a power people have to produce. "Second choice" talk is nonsense, love is something that is either done or not done.
>>221854589Willow fairy is the real rapist. Bear is more a sexdoll enjoyer.
>>221850565There is no demon, Curry said so
>>221855543Replacement persona demon created by the spell, not a Pazuzu.
>>221849580At NO point in the movie does Nikki say she is LEAVING TOWN.All she said is she was handing in her notice and leaving her job and wanted a life change.At no point did she say she was leaving the actual place she lived
>>221856846She says in the car that she needs a new location because the novel she is writing, her love story, is stuck and needs a new location for inspiration.
>>221856177It's more like a chatgpt
>>221849919This. It’s obvious that she never saw Bear as anything but a friend
>>221857329No, she just says she is leaving her job to pursue her writing.It's only through people presuming that means shes leaving, its not explicitly said and is only conjecture that means she is leaving town
>>221857970She does say she needs a big change and to leave albeit.
>>221850512>i like this boy>so instead of dropping any sort of hint or even trying to flirt with him i will openly mock the idea of being with him using the word "eww" like 3 times>i will sleep with his best friend on and off again for years and hide it from him>i will force him into an ultimatum that sounds threatening and like i will reject himNikki was a pathological cunt and deserved the bodyjacking.
>>221849580Nikki even gave him an opening to ask her out while they are in his car and he straight up chicken outs. She point blank asks if he likes her.Coward.Died like his cat. A Pussy.
>>221849580Why is she called "freaky Nikki"? Those two words don't rhyme. Is it supposed to be clever?
>>221849580The reality of this movie no one seems to pick up on is that the wish didn't make Nikki that way, it just dropped the mask. Her form of "love" is being a codependent, controlling stalker and psycho. That was her true self all along. Bear wanted her love and he got it, he just didn't anticipate or realize that her form of love was not like his own or normal, so he rejected it and made everything worse. Her one wish was to make him love her the same way, which is what she wanted all along rather than to undo the wish and "free" herself. Just like Bear, she just wanted to alter his wish not cancel it. If he had just told her how he felt and asked her out in the car before using the wish, things would have turned out basically the same way.
nikki was a dumb whore leading bear on deeper the friendzonebear could have moved on but everyone was gaslighting him that nikki might like himbear is the victim. you can't give mixed signals to someone then get mad when they fall in love
>>221858090She's a sex freak
>>221858035She was playfully teasing him and signalling that she didn't want to be FWBs. In the original script it's implied Ian gets her drunk to daterape her.
>>221858035This. She was a bitch, and got what she deserved. Bear on the other hand is the injured party in all this...oh and Sarah.Ian gets no sympathy - you dont fuck a mates girl he's called dibs on
>>221858108Really don't think so. When real Nikki comes back she freaks out (in a bad, not sex, way).
>>221858260Where can I find the script with this?
>>221858035There's thousands of hints in the opening part. They're two little love birds in the beginning. If you saw them in public you'd assume they were a couple.
>>221858302https://assets.scriptslug.com/live/pdf/scripts/obsession-2026.pdf
>>221858035Nikki is worse than that even>Guilt tripped and manipulated Bear into coming to trivia night, heavily implying romantic interest to hook him into going after he didn't want to>Flirts with Bear to make Ian jealous>But doesn't actually let Bear talk or pay attention to anything he says>Knows Sarah likes Bear and doesn't care that she's doing it in front of her either>Has a shitty, rude personality where she sarcastically mocks everyone in the group constantly>Steals money from Sarah to give to a homeless person, a selfish and performantive action rather than selfless because she is not giving of herself but pretending to at someone else's expense>Is on heavy drugs all night for no apparent reason>Doesn't give a shit that Bear's cat died, even kind of mocks itShe is a genuinely bad person all on the first 20 minutes of the movie before he even makes the wish. That psychotic and evil behavior was always inside her, the wish didn't create it or control her into it, it just gave her the scenario to embrace and unleash it.
>>221858384And forgot, she tries to sympathy farm people about her dad having cancer despite previously telling everyone she doesn't care about her dad at all. And it ended up being a lie on top of that.
>>221858473That was a ruse wish-Nikki used to get Bear to spend the night with her.>>221858384This is autism. They're all playful, friendly things any normal sociable man could springboard off.
>>221858583There is no "wish-Nikki". It's literally her true self.
>>221858583>playful>friendly>normal>sociableNone of those words describe Nikki.
>>221858645Nikki is like that the entire opening of the film, she's the cool chick of the group.
>>221858601Script literally has a TRUE NICKY
>>221858690She's not cool. She's a selfish asshole who thinks she's too cool for them.
>>221858583Wish-nikki didnt even do anal. She wasn't that "freaky"
>>221858713Yes. True Nikki is who she is the entire movie. Thank you for catching up, welcome to the conversation.
>>221858725And how do you know this?
>>221858742True Nikki is opposed to Wish Nikki throughout. And True Nikki returns at the end of the film when the magic turns off.
>>221858719She is a lot cooler than the rest of them. That's why Bear and Ian ignore plain jane Sarah and chase Nikki.
>>221858817Nope. You just didn't understand the film unfortunately.>>221858836Hotter=/=cooler
>>221858851She's both hotter and cooler.
>>221858725Why did all the shit leak out of her ass when she stood there all day then?
There's no way she doesn't commit suicide after the ending right?
>called Inde>does an Indy filmBRAVO SCRIPTWRITERS
>>221849580>Be some guy's sex doll.>Wonder why you can't find true love and why other men only see you as a sex toy.Woman moment.
>>221859030Of course she doesn't, she's been freed. In the original script it was going to be a Romeo and Juliet ending where she killed herself out of despair over losing her one true love, but they chose to change it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39URPd5SfIg
>>221859029I never thought about that. Maybe you're right
>>221859098That would have been a massively better ending.
>>221858363Thanks heaps anon
>>221859214It would have lost all the hetropessmist and feminist subtext that gave it weight and appeal, and turned into a generic spooker with a Nikki as a simple monstermash antagonist.
>>221849580It doesn't matter. The reason they don't like it is because he acts like Jay Baruchel. If he acted like a combination of Edward Cullen and Antonio Banderez they would be saying: "OMG, he likes her so much he just can't control himself. That's so hot." Case in point pic related and Haunting Adeline.
>>221850626They also do that so you try to come onto her so she can reject you or manipulate your feelingsDepends on the woman, some are sweet some are psychotic some are just plain evil
>>221859093People forget that she’s called “Freaky Nikki” for a reason
>>221859787>for a reasonI believe that was bullying in school anon
>>221850626If a woman likes you she will make it abundantly clear that she wants your cock. Woman do not play games.
>They had very good chemistryLmao why do so many bluepilled faggots want to believe Bear and Nikki could have been a thing? No, the simp director and actress are not honest authorities.
>>221859918Well we never will find out because Bear was to much of a pussy to admit that he likes her
>>221849580The real secret that most people missed is that the wishing stick doesn’t actually work, at least not when the mc used it. “Freaky Nikki” was always her split personality, it used to come out little at a time and not so aggressively when she was younger and that’s how she got the nickname from other kids, but it grew worse over time and she was able to keep it in check for a long time in her adolescence but when the mc called her that nickname again, freaky nikki came out in full force, stronger than ever and took over almost permanentlyThat’s my headcanon, a better writer would’ve gone that route or dropped more subtle hints for it at least. But jewlywood can’t possibly show a teenage girl actually being crazy
>>221849580SSAAAARRSS
>>221859918erm but he made it
>>221857329Every person needs to move out of their city to find themselves before settling down
>>221854927Beta provider energy
>>221854491if she loved Bear she wouldn't be leavingit's a shit test you moron
>>221849580Incels are pussies, water is wet, pope shits in the woods.
>>221849580Um the directer said it was up to your interpretation after all. They're all victums
>>221851052Sarah was killed by wish Nikki, wish Nikki only existed because of Bear. It was completely his fault.
>>221849994>>221850348Have you seen the guy who wrote this? He hasn't read anything from Shakespeare
>>221849580Objectively she would never have been with him or the wish would have had a happy ending.
I'm obsessed (heh) with her face and her expressions
>>221851052nigga what? it's not woman logic, bear was a retard and got sarah killed, simple as
>>221861208Yea, but Bear didn't intentionally make the wish he didn't intend for the wish to function that way neither.
>>221861546>Bear didn't intentionally make the wish
>>221855543Then what's with all the literal demonic shit? The walking backwards in a supernatural manner, the corporation knowing that the magic is real and having Nikkis soul available on hand when he calls them?
>>221861887Inde herself has said theres nothing demonic, she emphasizes it over and over again and says Curry told her its not demonic. Its simply from the wish. Supernatural magical stuff can happen without you adding christian religious demonic connotations to it.Heres a video where she says ithttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/3_GYwbg1OB4
>>221849580>They had very good chemistryThis a joke? It was shit, to the point where I just turned off the movie because he was acting like such a lame limp dick cuck
>>221859529I'd have preferred an ending where Ian didn't take the pills, but still gets mind-controlled. It would have looked like a happy ending, but in actuality be two inhuman entities locked in perpetual love while the real human consciousnesses are trapped somewhere deep inside, never wanting what happens
>>221861264He would have studied Shakespeare in highschool. He's definitely watched productions of Titus Andronicus as an aspiring horror auteur.
>>221860818Unless they marry their high school sweetheart
>>221861145Bear needs to make a move to be in a relationship. All of this churning and gooning doesn't mean anything to her unless it's actualised towards her IRL. If anything it demonstrates to her she has no future with Bear (or Ian) and needs to move on from both men in her life.
>>221861958Sure, I don't care about the religious angle, I use demonic in lieu of "supernatural otherwordly (functionally) evil entity". There is an external entity puppeting her body, that much is explicit
>>221860921Internet brained, living in a prison of internet retards ideas. Sacrificing your own power because someone on the internet policed you into limiting yourself and following some retards laws.
>>221862069You mean Bear? Also, they'd probably just get thrown in jail for murder.
>>221862146Yes, Bear, mistake. That's true, but that'll happen to Nikki in the real ending as well.
>>221862156Nah, she will do the whole 'i was crazed due to being raped by my partner' defence and she will be let off
>>221862156Well now she's aware about the One Wish Willows so maybe her lawyers could make a case for her
>>221861982Re-watch the pre-wish scenes. Your perspective on Bear gets contaminated by the post-wish Nikki parts. There was genuine chemistry and affinity pre-wish.
>>221862136>external entity>otherwordlyNo its not external either, it was born with the wish and has no history outside of the wish, it was born when the wish was made inside her brain and died when the wish not. Not something from another world that long since existed and possessed her body.
>>221862069That relationship would work though and it wouldn't be a horror. They'd be one of those permanently attached couples.
>>221862257So basically it is like trannies. Mental illness
>>221850195NOOOO YOU CANT JUST KILL FOIDS WITH A SHOTGUN
>>221862237She tells him he's like a brother to her, that is not something you say to someone you're sexually attracted to, unless you're me.
>>221862182>>221862235Bear is taking the guilt for the killings as a murder-suicide. Bear was the last person who met Sarah, they have phone evidence of their meeting. Bears prints are all over the gun and we have the motive of Iancs love triangle with Nikki enraging Bear. Women simply don't commit crimes of violence like that, and Nikki is another battered victim of a murdeous jealous boyfriend.
>>221862294No, its Ian who said to bear that Sarah said that Nikki told her that.So it could be true, or it could be either Ian or Sarah deliberately saying that to fuck with Bear for their own reasons.Then we have her story, where she basically reads out that she wants to fuck her brother
>>221862294Strong friendship is a good ground for a relationship. It's upgrading from one form of love to another.
>>221862182Doubt that, there's too much evidence.>>221862235True, I wonder if she knows where to get them though, and how powerful they truly are. Would a wish be able to undo the whole film, resetting time? Somehow I doubt it, seeing that they aren't ultra-rare one of a kind items. I'm headcannoning a bit, but maybe the drawbacks increase in proportion with the 'size' of the wish. Ian seemed to get his money no problem, barring the bullet to the brain.>>221862257Entirely possible and probably true, but functionally similar enough to demonic possession that I don't care. It is a separate entity from Nikki ("I can't be Nikki"), and it knows this, and Nikki herself knows this ("She's sleeping").
>>221862257That's what Greeks and Romans believed your 'genius' demon was: a type of guardian angel, internal voice, or persona that was particular to you. But yes, it's definitely not some pre-existant demon with a history and lore.
>>221862313Nikki's prints are also on the gun and on Sarah's phone (Bear's aren't) since she used it to try and lure Ian to the apartment. She's getting some of the blame one way or another
>>221862265I don't think it'd work so well, even disregarding the legal trouble. They'd probably just smooch, fondle and fuck each other as the top priority over all else. Doubt that they'd go to work and live a normal life together, they'd spiral downwards like two druggies. Not that they'd care, but the real Nikki and real Bear trapped inside would suffer.
>>221849580>There's a demon inside her>Except there's notWhy can't the director make up his mind ?
>>221862384All innocent touches from a traumatised victim of male violence
>>221862401Maybe he's learned from Ridley Scott, i.e to NOT do what he did, so he tries to keep a bit of ambiguity
>>221862389Maybe, but it lacks Act 5 urgency where the tragedy needs people to die to wrap things up.
>>221849580The true horror of the story is that there's no "pre-wish" and Bear is truly this awful character who forced himself on her against her will. The movie makes a lot more sense if you take a step back and dissolve the curse magic and take it as an allegory. It's Rape, he took her home and Raped her.
>>221862443Yeah it seems he's anti-lore, thank Christ. Someone offered him $2 million to make it a script where Bear an intrepid hero trying to uncover the lore of the One Wish Willow™ company.
>>221862323>No, its Ian who said to bear that Sarah said that Nikki told her that.I thought Nikki said that to Bear in the car shortly before she left and he made the wish. >So it could be true, or it could be either Ian or Sarah deliberately saying that to fuck with Bear for their own reasons.I think it's cool how the movie establishes every character as being kind of a piece of shit. It's a neat ambiguity that has of course been overlooked in the culture war shitstorm the movie has generated where you can only conclude that Bear is the worst person in the world and everyone else is awesome.>>221862324Agreed. But I'm still not convinced Nikki actually saw Bear that way. Either way, if they had hooked up she would probably continue sleeping around.
>>221862443So she's doing it all on her own free will?
>>221862455I envision it as the movie ending with the exact same framing and music, but we instead hold on them hugging and dancing, like they do before Bear starts foaming, then you could have the same outro music and camera angle (rotate to the TV) before the end credits. Plebeians would see it as a happy ending, but knowers would know. However, the real ending is good as well
>>221862496Lmao. He has talent, being true to his convictions will probably pay off for him
>>221862504No, the movie is quite explicit with showing what's going on. However we don't need the director coming in to spell it out for us, thus possibly ruining the movie, since sometimes the directors either are retards or become retards with age (Ridley Scott)
Why did wish Nikki act normal for the first few weeks, or however long the montage was, of their relationship?
>>221862567She didn't, she was acting like a weirdo from scene one (post wish). Bear probably didn't notice the oddities at first, and sure, they weten't as severe as they would become later
>>221862511The problem is Bear knows that to love Nikki means he must free her by killing himself.
>>221862443Yea maybe
so was nikki's soul in her body or with the customer service guy
>>221862607The initial post-wish weirdness got explained away as an MDMA trip. Then there was a honeymoon period of the montage. I thinks it's only meant to be a few days.
>>221862765They never say anything about the existence of a soul. The screaming could just be her subconscious or any of the other billion ways to interpret the scene.
>>221854619It was a comedy. All this dagos going 'badabing badabong mamma mia'
>>221862294What sister acts like this?
The movie shows Nikki stands in place the entire day even pissing and shitting herself but when he comes home she says she talked to Sarah who told her about the party not being guys only. How did she talk to Sarah when she was standing not doing anything?Also how did she find him and Sarah in the park?Is the wish Nikki thing psychic? She understood he made a wish without him telling her which makes magic logic but does her magic knowledge include stuff like the above too?
>>221862961One from Tasmania
>>221862961Well that would have made things different, but in the finished movie we got, it's way more ambiguous.
>>221862985Nikki could have lied about the phone call with Sarah as a ruse to go to the party, like with dad's cancer. Perhaps the obsession gives her homing powers on Bear. Having location sharing or partner tracking apps on Bear's phone seems in-character if you want a mundane explanation.
>>221863168And how did she get there?She doesn't drive or have a car as she is getting lifts everywhere?
>>221862765I'd say the phone call operator puts her on call from inside Nikki's body.
>>22186318415 minute walkable city
>>221862778I'm sure Bear was very happy and ready to explain away any weird behaviour as a cute quirk, until it became super-weird that is.
>>221862497I don't think she loved him romantically, but the door wasn't closed. She probably flicked herself off to the idea a few times over the years, or had a sex dream about him.
>>221863168I guess but her lie happening to turn out to be true that Sarah was there is rather coincidental. Maybe she could have had that app for a non magic reason but I thought that scene she was in pajamas still without her phone but that's a detail I don't recall.I am inclined with the magical honing powers explanation.
>>221863184She's not exactly a regular person, there's magic fuckery. A normal girl can not smash through the glass on a car side door and then pummel another persons face into mush on the steering wheel, nearly instantly killing the victim (she couldn't even fight back). She has access to some superhuman abilities, that's for sure.
>>221863338She had a brick in that scene. It's a dark scene but if you look she is holding a brick on the steering wheel and smashing her face into the brick
>>221863374Didn't notice that actually
>>221863277Yes, his modus operandi was to manage, police, and excuse Nikki's outbursts to keep the relationship going. He lies to Ian and Sarah about them to excuse Nikki, tries to instruct her to "be normal" "you can't cook the cat" etc. He wants to modify the wish so Nikki can stay enslaved but be more successfully managed.
>/tv/ is still debating this movie daily from an albino zoomerL board
>>221863311Yes I would lean towards magic homing too, but it is a feature of abusive relationships to track the other partner with secret apps or force location sharing, so it's not implausible. She may also have just seen through Bear and Ian's ruse and guessed that it was an ordinary party, or more likely she thought she could make up a new excuse or throw a tantrum if she got caught lying later.
>>221863429The fact it drives you insane makes my one wish be for never ending obsession threads
>>221863576>snapHave fun today
>>221849580He wished for Nikki, but got Nikki from Wish.
>she treats him as her gay friend
>>221863387Bit even with a brick it's magical demon strength
>>221863429Yes
>>221858331she didn't let him pay for her drink. girls always let the guy they like pay for their drinks.that was the biggest hint she didn't felt the same way about him.
