>my le Trojan War... le killed people!?
"Maybe we should all get along and live in peace" says monarch who personally killed and raped hundreds of people.
We need to be better Greeks
>>221862165Kek>>221862181heh>>221862067Okay, but seriously, I kind of like the whole idea that the trojan war led to the downfall of the bronze age collapse, like I like the theme they went with here
>>221862067>Mr. Odysseus, your plan to "sneak into troy and brutally massacre everyone" has been used in a way that was... unexpected>No...
Hollywood Slop
>this Bronze Age of ours... it's collapsing... because of our xenophobia and discrimination against wvmvn of cvlvr... we angered the Gods...seriously nolan?
>>221863378kek although, you could argue in the context of the film he didn't really grasp that until it actually happened.
>>221863447>over 3000 to 5000 years ago btw
>>221862165I think India had an Emporer like this (Ashoka). It's like the masculine version of the girl that partied through her twenties and became "ready to settle down" when her hormones calmed and age took her looks and energy.
>>221862067>AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I MUST MURDER ALL THESE MEN WHO WAITED PATIENTLY TO FUCK MY WIFE
>>221863447>*smacks lips* So you saying we is some kinda sea people??
>>221862067>le sigh…my bronze age is collapsing… prolapsing and ermmm….ughhh…NIGGER
>>221862067>are you saying that we're on some kind of extended adventurous voyage or trip?
>hmm yess it is I: king bernthal le strong (the punisher) and I am a big strong jew! prostrate before my nigger wife (the most beautiful woman ever!)
>>221863451>we're sneaking into Troy... to sack Troy?!!
>>221863780>woah woah hold on, so we're breaking into this city we've been trying to capture filled with people we've been killing for ten years... and we're going to just kill them?!
>>221863705>It truly is an >ODYSSEE
>Sea People
>>221862067>look over there ? It looks pretty strange ? I think it might be a hydra >hmm looks pretty Odd I SeeWalked out of the theater
>>221862067>we were the sea people this whole timebravo nolan
>>221866096>The army that launched 1,000 ships definitely didn't raid and destroy towns on the way home.
>>221862165I'm sorry to reply to this twice but think it's the funniest thing I have ever read here because its accurate to man's mentality towards violence
>Now I am become Nobody, the destroyer of cyclops
>>221862067>I'm such a horrible person, I can only atone for this by VIOLENTLY KILLING UNARMED GUESTS IN MY PALACE.
>The Odyssey will take you only so far.
>>221862067Wasn't it agamenon?
>wait a minute... that horse we gave Trojan... was a trojan horse??
>Icarus seeked the sun. Got eaten. Power stays in the underworld.
>>221866272You don't get it chuddie. You open your country to guests, not your house. Trojans belong in Greece, they're as greek as you and me.
>>221862369>People are mean to strangers, out bronze age is collapsing, millions must die.
>>221862067>we nee to be better men>I think I should go home and let all the suitors fuck my wife>lol nah, I'm going to kill them all>then...only then will we be better men
If Odysseus and his crew were "the sea people" why did everyone talk about them like they were an apocalyptic threat? After Troy apart from burning a few straw huts they got fucked up everywhere they went. Are we supposed to believe they did a lot of brutal pillaging that wasn't shown in the movie? How does that jive with Odysseus supposedly being a changed man after Troy?
>>221862067is it long covid? he seems like on shrooms
Agamemnon's war*
>>221869345greek empire (USA) sacking Troy (Iran) via trickery (killiny Ayathola) broke Zeus (Obama) law and set a bad example for everyone elseso now you have everyone being nasty cunts to eachother (end to unipolar world order)movie ends w/ Odyseus going into exile in the "unknown west" (USA isolationism while the world burns)
>>221862165That is how politicians think.Ask Trump and Netanyahu.
>>221862165odysseus is the king that tries the hardest to convince agamemnon to sacrifice his daughter for the good of the army btw. good to know coz they evoke that episode
>woah.... we lied to people we were trying for a decade straight to brutally kill... and then they got killed....>zendaya no.... I'm sorry.... I didn't mean to become a seaman.....>now the whole bronze age is collapsing....>maybe the real odyssey... was the men I lost along the way....>batman is trying to fuck my wife. Quick son I've never met, fetch me my comically small bow so I can go on a murder spree, demonstrating that I've learned my lesson about duplicity and murderI don't even think this is Noland fault per se, I think the odyssey as a story just kind of sucks
>>221870241What the fuck am I even reading
>>221862067I'm seeing a lot about Odysseus feeling guilty about "breaking Zeus's law" but is there acknowledgement the Trojans broke it first by stealing a man's wife after being treated as honored guests and not giving her back?
>>221870535>not nolan's fault>quotes stuff that isn't in the original storythe story is indeed silly when you try hard to make it fit with hollywood requirements
>>221870631war is bad ok, just because Troy (Iran) blocked trade in the strait of Gallipoli (Hormuz), doesnt give imperialist greek assholes (USA) the right to murder innocent women and childrenif only everyone followed the rule of Zeus (Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, the JCPOA), and respected free trade, and cherished the beauty of language - then civilization could rise again
>>221862067The odd, I see too. I max only next year.
>>221866234>called nobody>clearly still has a body
The Trojan War was 100% portrayed as a tragedy. Or else they wouldn't have made Hector sympathetic and Agamemnon an asshole who loses the support of Achilles by stealing his qt captive/servant. It's also a disturbing that none of Odysseus' old war buddies checked on his family and killed off the suitors and his son grew up without him. Homer was trying to warn us about the dangers of long-term military alliances(just like the Founding Fathers of the USA did many centuries later). They don't make us safer, they lead to retardation like WWI and the USA's unconditional support for Israel.
>>221863378>>221863447>>221863705>>221864468>>221867895
>>221869345People only knew about the sea people from travelers telling stories and singing about them. As it is shown again and again in the movies those stories were often exaggerated or misconstrued. Beside, my guess is that they mostly based their account on how brutal Troy was ransacked.
>>221862067Ares Vult.
>>221863451>he didn't really grasp that until it actually happened.This is absurd. He's a warrior in the bronze age that's seen a hundred battles. What makes Troy any different?
>>221873688But everyone knew it was Agamemnon (and Odysseus) that sacked Troy, not some mysterious unknown sea people
>>221869345The implication is that the people who came back from Troy were savages after defiling the law of Zeus, bringing down civilisation.Really, I'm surprised when Odysseus gives his final speech "They will forget our mistakes" it didn't show Aeneas arriving in Italy
>so, what do we call this escapade of ours>tough question, what do you think Odysseus?
>>221873688>>221873797I think it's also important to note that the implication is that all the Trojans were pillaging. It's even mentioned that Agamemnon was gonna take the common trade route, so it's safe to assume that he was probably raiding and pillaging a shitload of people. Plus, the Mycenaeans in general are heavily thought to be the sea people.
>>221866096>>221862369I mean it's likely somewhat true that the Iliad and the Odyssey were channeling deep memories of what lead to the Sea People raids and the Bronze Age Collpase. the Greeks were likely some of the first Sea People and their destruction of other cities lead to these refugees becoming other waves of Sea People leading to the Bronze Age Collapse The Sack of Troy was during the Bronze Age Collapse
>>221874062Archaeologists have a pretty high sense of certainty that the Trojans were essentially Anatolians, aka Turkey. And it was likely that Troy was a huge merchant city, and it sounds like the Greeks destroyed it. That could have led easily to one of the many supply chain issues and other issues that led to the eventual collapse of all these civilizations.It's not the only thing, but could've been a major contributing factor.
>Zeus *thunder claps* Why am I on this Odyssey?>Why are you on this Odyssey? So you can learn to pick yourself back up.>Endure, Odysseus. Take it. They'll hate you for it, but that's the point of Bowman. He can be the outcast. He can make the choice that no one else can make, the right choice.
