So I finally read The Odyssey. In full. About 650 pages. It was the Emily Wilson version. And I'm not sure how anybody could have possibly expected a faithful adaptation of this. This story is kind of horrible. Odysseus is helped out by the gods at every turn. They serve as a deus ex machina often. Especially Athena. Oh boy, we'll get to Athena. Over and over and over again throughout the story, the literal gods are intervening in every way to help Odysseus. You know that scene where Odysseus's men turn into pigs? Yeah, Odysseus doesn't figure out how to deal with Circe through his own ingenuity. The only way that he finds out is because Hermes, a literal god, shows up and tells him, hey dude, she turned your men into pigs. And then after that, I'm not fucking kidding here, he becomes lovers with this woman who turned his men into pigs, this witch, for about a year, and then finally decides to fuck off and go home.When Odysseus is stranded on an island with the nymph Calypso, the only way he winds up getting off of that island isn't because he needed to reform his memories so that he can finally face himself, or whatever the fuck Calypso was saying in the Christopher Nolan movie. That shit was bad writing in and of itself. In the original poem, the way that he gets off of the island is because Zeus literally sends Hermes once again to negotiate his release.Telemachus only winds up going to seek news of his daddy because Athena disguises herself and tells him to do so.
>>221863049Oh, but it somehow gets even worse. >After Odysseus kills all of the suitors, the families of the suitors are gonna be a little bit angry and are gonna come to try to kill Odysseus. >And then Athena shows up and stops them. I'm not fucking kidding, that is the end of the story. This is the story that you chuds are so fucking willing to protect and faithfully adapt, this like actual fucking trash that was written thousands of years ago? Frankly, I don't even know why Nolan himself wanted to fucking adapt this garbage.
>>221863049>the gods serve as a deus ex machinaAnon...
>>221863069>implying chuds have actually read the odysseyThey hate it because it contains blacks and trannies, that's it. Guarantee they can't even name a single greek actor either.
>>221863069>and then Athena shows up and stops them.I listened to it the first time on audiobook this summer, and the ending genuinely made me laugh. I think your call-outs are completely valid. That's pretty much the whole story is Athena gets save's ass over and over and over again. Odysseus wasn't even that likable of a character cuz he kept fucking everything up being a retard.
>>221863049>It was the Emily Wilson version
>>221863212This is the plot of all the translated versions. If anything Emily tries to make it sound less retarded by adding depth where there wasn't any in other translated versions.
>>221863049>Odysseus is helped out by the gods at every turnPoseidon, a god of the sea, is literally against him. Who wrote this shit. Zeus literally nuked his ship on behest of Helios. He is punished by the gods as much as he is helped.
>>221863049>They serve as a deus ex machina often
>>221863237>Emily tries to make it sound less retarded by adding depth where there wasn't any in other translated versions.Pure perversion of facts.
>>221863256I'm glad you brought up Poseidon, because it is arguably one of the funniest fucking things in the entire story.So, the only reason Poseidon wants to fuck with Odysseus is because, when Odysseus was fighting the Cyclops, he told the Cyclops that his name was Nobody. This results in the hilarious scenario that everybody's familiar with, in which the Cyclops yells out, "Nobody is attacking me!" so none of the other Cyclopes come to help him.Right? And then, as they're leaving, Odysseus yells back to the Cyclops to gloat, "Actually, my name wasn't Nobody, you fucking idiot. My name is Odysseus."Then his men inform him that the Cyclops is a son of Poseidon, and now they're likely going to be attacked by Poseidon.This is the writing that you are defending. This is what you wanted to see in a modern movie.
According to Homer (Odyssey iv: 365[18]), the sandy island of Pharos situated off the coast of the Nile Delta was the home of Proteus, the oracular Old Man of the Sea and herdsman of the sea-beasts. In the Odyssey,[19] Menelaus relates to Telemachus that he had been becalmed here on his journey home from the Trojan War. He learned from Proteus's daughter Eidothea ("the very image of the Goddess"), that if he could capture her father, he could force him to reveal which of the gods he had offended and how he could propitiate them and return home. Proteus emerged from the sea to sleep among his colony of seals, but Menelaus was successful in holding him, though Proteus took the forms of a lion, a serpent, a leopard, a pig, even of water or a tree. Proteus then answered truthfully, further informing Menelaus that his brother Agamemnon had been murdered on his return home, that Ajax the Lesser had been shipwrecked and killed, and that Odysseus was stranded on Calypso's Isle Ogygia.They fucking omitted the most cinematic part
Also, there is a part where Odysseus admits to ransacking a village and raping the women there along with his men, and Telemachus murders a bunch of sex slaves that the suitors were using. But obviously none of you chuds would care about that.
>>221863312>This is the writing that you are defendingYes, I am. It's called fairy tale/myth logic. If you don't want it in your movie, don't adapt a myth.
>>221863212>cat poster Opinion invalid
>>221863350>But obviously none of you chuds would care about that.I thought chuds were rapist woman haters. They would love that?
>>221863049I remember an adaption from my childhood where the gods stand around a basin in which they track Odysseus moves and decide to either send help or fuck with him.
>>221863370I thought the whole point of my argument was very obvious. If Nolan had actually adapted this movie faithfully, you would be criticizing him to death and calling him a hack fraud for adapting the story faithfully. You would say, oh, of course the movie ends with a woman stopping Odysseus and his family from getting fucking murdered. Oh, of course Nolan kept the more hokey parts of the story that are super corny nowadays because he can't fucking adapt a work to save his life. You guys are liars, and you likely haven't read the fucking story that you're fucking talking about being so great. Because no one has because it's fucking shit. Archaic garbage that was likely hobbled together like Chinese whispers with only vague notions of morals that don't even make any sense.
>>221863391>Retarded translation for retards defenderStatement discarded
>>221863410Would be kino especially if they were wagering like it was a poker game
>>221863421>I thought the whole point of my argument was very obvious. If Nolan had actually adapted this movie faithfully, you would be criticizing him to death and calling him a hack fraud for adapting the story faithfullyNo, I wouldn't. >you likely haven't read the fucking storyUniversity, classical studies. Don't know about others.
>>221863049>Unironically reading the Emily Wilson version.
>>221863049>It was the Emily Wilson version.
>>221863441Name a translation that makes the story good
>>221863350He doesn't murder them, he executes them, traitors that they are, but not before forcing them to clean the palace of the suitor's blood. One of my favourite most chud-pilled moments
>>221863454>>221863455Do the other translations have a different plot?
>>221863472There's nothing wrong with the Odyssey's plot, you're a retarded person.
>>221863049please go back to your marvel universe movies or w/e.
>>221863482Then make your own faithful adaptation and see how many people flock to it
>>221863049>They serve as a deus ex machina often.Uhm, how else would gods serve?
>>221863472Emily's translation has a stated goal of making it readable by american simpletons and it rapes the text. It's also sprinkled with postcolonial theory and intersectionality
>>221863562LIKE IM MY FREAKIN THOR MOVIES
>>221863521I'll make a Netflix adaption. 6 eps per season 3 years between seasons. Season 1 finale: Odysseus gets a request to join the Troyan war.
>>221863069>Oh, but it somehow gets even worse. >>After Odysseus kills all of the suitors, the families of the suitors are gonna be a little bit angry and are gonna come to try to kill Odysseus. >>And then Athena shows up and stops them. >>I'm not fucking kidding, that is the end of the story. This is the story that you chuds are so fucking willing to protect and faithfully adapt, this like actual fucking trash that was written thousands of years ago? Frankly, I don't even know why Nolan himself wanted to fucking adapt this garbage.It really is just Homer going "yknow what i'm finished with this part of the story", honestly feel like it's less a clean up the plot moment and more of lets skip this he's just gonna kill all those people and it's not that interesting, the end.
Ancient stories are kinda retarded like that. They just pull random magic and bullshit out of thin air. They were just having fun with it. I don't think they knew the shit would be idolized for thousands of years
>>221863575>Emily's translation has a stated goal of making it readable by american simpletons and it rapes the text. It's also sprinkled with postcolonial theory and intersectionality
>>221863049I don't think you're being terribly fair here. Yes, Homer's Odyssey is going to have a lot of things about it that don't really hold up to modern sensibilities. It's a story from thousands of years ago.I don't think dunking on a civilization from that long ago for having maybe some backwards ideas of how the world worked is terribly justified. Especially a story like that, which was really made to entertain at the time. I'm sure thousands of years from now, people will look at some of the movies that we have championed and think of us as barbaric too. Such is the nature of time. As it evolves, so do the stories that we tell.
>>221863657The story has a clear internal logic, it's not random
>>221863684>As it evolves, so do the stories that we tell.So the historical genre can be abolished then. We no longer do Othello as it was but change it because we have iphones.
>>221863718I mean, have you seen a modern Shakespeare play? Yeah, lots of stuff gets omitted. Sometimes for time or to reframe the story. And that's nothing compared to the thousands of stories Shakespeare inspired that do their own thing. The Lion King, Ran, 10 Things I Hate About You, etc.
>>221863693Explain the internal logic of the bag of winds. Enlighten me
>>221863069>I don't even know why Nolan himself wanted to fucking adapt this garbage.The Odyssey is the original capeshit movie. Nolan did a Batman trilogy, so, of course he is interested in recreating The Odyssey. Nolan's Interstellar is a rip-off of The Odyssey. So is The Lord of the Rings, the entire capeshit catalog, the Star Wars franchise, Game of Thrones, The Wizard of Oz, and on and on. The list is endless.
>>221863146Todays Greeks are not the same.
>>221863772>I mean, have you seen a modern Shakespeare play?When adapting a work by a great author such as Shakespeare or Homer, there's a presumption that the original deserve preservation because its quality is a major reason the work has endured. Changes need to be justified by a clear artistic purpose rather than made simply because we are women, hear us roar.
>>221863791>internal logic of the bag of windsThe epic has internal logic. A bag of winds existing in it doesn't break logic. In Greek myth Aeolus is a god of four winds. He helps Odysseus at first.
>>221863049FR FR NO CAP
>>221863312>story about getting punished because of hubris>character succeeds against a foe >veers off into hubris when he thinks he's safe>gets punished by a godYeah I don't see the issue here.
>>221863350>>221863464The core of The Odyssey is that it is essentially revenge porn. That some things are worth killing for, and such justice is sanctified by the gods themselves. It's all build up and lead up to the massacre and then catharsis.Nolan didn't lean into this at all which is why the movie sucks. It's like if Rambo IV was pozzed and as it went on instead of Rambo going HAM he'd have been too old and his minority/female sidekick did it for him. LAAAAME
>>221863956No it's not. The main message of the odyssey is restoration of the oikos and order.
>>221863049>It was the Emily Wilson version.You didn't read the Odyssey, you read a crazy cat lady's masturbation fantasy, which she wrote to justify her worthless degree and miserable existence.
>>221863049https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i8QScdhZzo boomer figures it out at the very end..
>>221863391It's literally caturday you heathen
>>221863663He's telling the truth, you can look it up yousrself
>>221863146yeah chuds only hate it because it's racist and degenerate you retard the story doesnt matter
>>221863312This is unironically one of the biggest lessons of The Oddyssey, You fucking retarded Plebbitor.
>>221863177haven't read it in forever but I remember loving him because he's kind of a boastful retard. the gods seem to get a laugh out of him more than anything, because he's a very brave mortal often to his detriment. haven't seen the movie yet, but I imagine matt damon could be good because he definitely has this shallow ego about him that could be put into the character, but something tells me nolan is going to neuter his character and not have him be such a murderhobo like he (literally) is in the original story
>>221863049>It was the Emily Wilson version.You fucking moron. That translation is abysmal.
>>221863312>This is the writing that you are defending. This is what you wanted to see in a modern movie.YES.Wit and levity is a transcendental quality of good writing.
>>221863049>read post-modernist feminist adaptation to justify a retarded opinionI just know you're not:1- white2- malepeople can't be this retarded right?
>>221863049>Gods are character in your story.>It's a bad story when the characters in the story do things in the story.Fucking midwit hot takes and their consequences.
>>221863312>Mythological story features gods interacting with humans and often punishing them for their actions (or sometimes for no reason at all)>Almost as if humans arent fully in control of their own lives and are at the whim of greater forces around themHOLY SHIT I'VE NEVER HEARD OF ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE!!!
>>221863049Everyone is illiterate now. If I try to point you in the right direction you'll always just completely ignore it and pretend your mindless, incoherent, cynical anti-interpretation is objectively right.Why is it specific gods with specific domains that intervene in these specific situations and not just "god"? Why doesn't it occur to you that this might mean something? I understood the meaning better than you when I was 8 and read the comic version, I was better at hermeneutics (communing with Hermes).
>>221863146And libs only like it because it contains blacks and trannies.The actual content isn't important. Art is just a vehicle for politics anyway, it's the middleman.
