old thing good new thing bad

They call it "character progression". Throughout the film, she goes from being a regular person who has to find the will to survive, to being someone who recognizes what's needed to not only fight, but also protect others.

This is part of being human, OP, but since you're Indian I understand that you don't get it. Go ride a train, son.

>>221975970
When you think about it, humanity is pretty woke, because half of humans are women.

>>221975970
Because it wasn't an agenda by a studio to make the protagonist a female. Just like how horror movies with a "final girl" aren't woke. You're as stupid as the people that don't understand what a "Mary Sue" is.

>>221975970
1. nurturance and motherhood are fundamentally part of the mixture of Ripley's mentality, she isn't alien to femininity
2. she isn't flipping over 300lb guys and doing megaton punches to their back that totally cripple them, she is still in the Sarah Connor or Dana Scully mold where she can ambush or get a tactical advantage thru quick thinking but if she is out in the open with something much stronger and no tools she is screwed

>>221975970
Alien sucks.
Predator 4 lyfe.

If alien came out today
>all the men die
>girlboss lives
>THEY WANT TO KILL YOU

Test

>>221975970
When they tried to bring the infected person on board she closed the door, which is pretty based. A modern woman would have opened it all in the name of toxic empathy

>>221976288
yeah right. what else, the alien would be a metaphor for sexual assault?

>>221975970
Because we dont live that era anymore

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>>221976026
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Debunking the narrative that "If Ripley/Sarah Connor came out today they would be called woke girlbosses"

PART 1!

> Unlike modern girlboss caricatures we saw both before they became badass. They had a proper arc of believably gaining their abilities. Sarah trained with survivalist for a decade between T1 & T2.

> Neither of them have any unique hand to hand combat ability. Both get taken down when overwhelmed by multiple men (the Asylum guards detaining Sarah and the prisoners ganging up on Ripley in A3)

> Ripley's biggest feats are done with powerful assistance (the mecha loader, the machinegun/grenade launcher/flamethrower combo)

> Unlike many modern girlboss movies the Alien/Terminator films had no shortage of competent badass men to stand with or defend the heroines (Reese, Hicks, Dillon)

> Neither of them have any misandrist anti-man personality traits or moments. When they are hostile to specific non-villain men it's a clear valid disagreement where both perspectives are reasonable (Dallas wanting to bring Kane on board, the warden not believing her story in A3) or the heroines simply have more experience with the threat than the men. Several of the men Ripley disagrees with get great moments of redemption later on (Dallas hunting the Alien in the air duct, Gorman's last stand)

>>221975970
No because she isn't a marry sue at any point, often being portrayed having no clue with actual character growth.

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>>221975970
>>221976026
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>>221976405

PART 2

> One of the absolute worst aspects of modern girlboss BS is the malicious ruination of iconic beloved typically male characters and destruction of their legacies (Indiana Jones, Luke Skywalker), this clearly does not apply in anyway to Ripley or Sarah because both of them were the leads of their series from the beginning. They did not subsume or replace anyone.

> - Also it could easily be argued that Sarah despite not being male was another VICTIM of said modern girlboss collateral damage because in Dark Fate the creator's deranged evil woke compulsion to replace John Connor with a new female lead robbed Sarah of her son that Reese died to protect and undid the happy ending of T2 and what she accomplished. And they pretty much called her sexist for assuming it would be Dani's son not Dani herself who would lead the resistance.

>>221975970
Alien is woke. The chestburster is an analogy for pregnancy and childbirth, it's an anti-male and antinatalist movie and the alien itself was designed by HR Giger who was a femdom cuck

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>>221975970
>>221976288
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PART 3

> REGARDLESS the narrative is fundamentally based on a false premise to begin with: the idea that anti-woke people hate ALL or even most modern female characters. We dislike the TREND of them being force fed everywhere in everything in the most hamfisted manner possible but we absolutely do not hate most of them on a individual basis. Ilsa Faust (Mission Impossible 5, 6 & 7) was introduced in 2015 and is one of my favorite heroines of all time, I like her tangibly more than Ripley or Sarah. Pretty much no one had a problem with any of the MCU women up until 2019-ish. Jessica Jones had a strong feminist message in S1 and it was fully great and did not demonize normal men. She was bitchy at times but it was a acknowledged character flaw within the show where as modern girlboss shit treats women doing reprehensible cruel shit as empowering slay queen moments for the depraved depths of Tumblr to cheer for. No one had a problem with DCEU Wonder Woman despite 84 being utter trash because Diana was still a warm comforting likable person within it.

>>221975970
Everything before GamerGate isn't woke because that is when I was first told to be mad about this stuff.

>>221976047
Basically this. She is shown as someone who had to rise to the challenge or die, no iff's ands or but's. She wasn't presented from the get go as the bestest ever better than all the men and everyone.

>>221975970
imo it’s because she was already a full grown adult when introduced in the first movie. Now contrast that with Romulus where it’s a bunch of zoomer kids running around.

>>221976468
>STILL crying about it
Sorry your whore egirlfriend got exposed

>>221975970
Bacause it makes sense in the story and isn't cringe and forced. Funnily enough some feminist don't like Ripley because she was written by men and doesn't reflects a real feminist or algo

>>221976504
Gamergate is the tranny holocaust.

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>>221975970
a. shes hot
b. she actually has character progression, she doesnt automatically start out as some girlboss fantasy
c. she defeats xenos by thinking quick and using the environment to her advantage, never through strength
d. she is badass in a feminine, motherly way, like a mother bear rather than trying to emulate masculinity

>>221976157
>2. she isn't flipping over 300lb guys and doing megaton punches to their back that totally cripple them
Exactly. When she went to face the queen, she used her brain and got into a loader, which was an awesome reveal at the time. You're thinking "How the fuck is anyone gonna get past that monster?" Then the clomp, clomp, clomp "Get away from her you BITCH"...LETS FUCKIN GOOOOOOO!

>>221976591
Combined with this >>221976502. Ripley is in her late thirties and is shown to be experienced and competent at a job she’s been doing for a while, but not effortlessly better at everything than the other crew members.

>>221975970
Because she's from old movies that pop culture decided are good. If it was made today they'd absolutely be called woke.

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>>221975970
Because it's actually a good movie and her character makes sense within the context of the world and story.
>>221976026
fpwp kys
>>221976288
>girlboss lives
You're a dumb jewjeet.

>>221975970
Because Ripley is written like a real, believable human fucking being and modern "woke" female characters are essentially just Mary Sue girlbosses who can do anything and are literally never wrong.

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>>221976542
>https://strawpoll.com/61gD9N3k5Zw
>no Yelena

>>221975970
1. Female protagonist were the norm for the slashers.
2. Ripley is not annoying. The number one thing people dislike about women, both in fiction and IRL, is them being annoying.
3. Ripley is not sassy either.
4. Ripley is not smarter or better than everybody else in the room. Nor does she know or instantly guess things nobody else could.
5. Nor is she stupid.
6. In Aliens she knows more than everyone else because she's the only person who has experienced what they're dealing with. She tries to convince them as best as she can, when they don't listen she doesn't chimp out or have a woman moment.

>>221975970
>Wasn't shoe horned in
>Wasn't given an unbelievable role or feats that a woman could do
>Everything she did was believable and capable of her capacity to do so
>She still acted like a woman and not a girl boss
It's really that simple.

There are plenty of moments where she needs to rely on the men in the room, more or less equal to the times when they need to rely on her. It's a collaborative effort by the team as a whole.

>>221977078
I still find it hilarious that this is a Jewess larping as a Hispanic in this movie and Predator 2.

She's a great actor, but it's still funny.

>>221975970
She was considered woke but the internet didn’t exist. The outrage over next generation casting was really bad as well. Sarah Connor in t2 had a backlash as well.

Same “anti woke” con artists. Every generation has them but they memory hole it and pretend it’s some new movement to fight some “new wokeness” usually they’ll point of former women heroes and explain why the current women heroes are different

>>221977300
I'll take shit that never happened for $500 Alex.

>>221977342
Yeah that’s right on spec. Some conservative critics attacked her and said it was unrealistic and attempting to speak to feminist.
Go on. Memory hole it. 20 years from now people just like you will be saying you liked trinity in the matrix but you hate the new girl heroes and listing off the differences

>>221977457
>Some conservative critics attacked her
Name five

>>221977457
>Some conservative critics attacked her

Such as? Examples?

>>221977457
>Some conservative critics attacked her and said it was unrealistic and attempting to speak to feminist.
May we see it?

>>221975970
because she isnt?

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>>221975970
There's no reason to drum up grifter outrage over old movies.

>>221977300
haha yeah sure

>>221977479
No. You called me a liar, so fuck off. Your generation is fucking retarded. You act like assholes making shit up, get called, act like assholes then want others do shit for you. You can easily look it up. You’ll probably same fag and ask nicely next pretending to be someone else.

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>>221977300
>She was considered woke but the internet didn’t exist.
I'm not underageb& so I can tell you firsthand from my actual memory of the 80s that this is fucking bullshit. This movie was on in my anti-feminist conservative (not that I even knew what either of those terms meant at the time) Christian SOUTHERN household when it was on TV in the mid-80s, probably 86 or 87. I remember it vividly, and was very into Vasquez at the time.

>>221977528
you think this movie is in any way progressive? Its a comedy.

>>221977457
Again more made up shit by some revisionist retard. Give a single example of this because I bet you'll never find one. It was actually highly praised because of the craftsmanship, not only that but Dan O'Bannon wrote Ripley as gender neutral to begin with you retarded mongoloid.

God I hate you faggots so much.

>>221977537
In other words, you’re making shit up. You could BTFO us by providing sources, but you can’t.

>>221977537
I didn't call you a liar cause I'm not even the same poster, dipshit. I am calling your a liar now though, cause you clearly are one.

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>>221976288
>You know, Burke, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage.
Fucking woke bitch thinks the space bears are better than capitalists......

>>221977560
You would be screaming about subversion all the same and posting the clip of Arnie yelling "My body, my choice!", you gullible fucking retard.

>>221977560
No, it's gay shit, they put Arnie in a dress for humiliation. Below post is me, and I remember the 90s vividly, too. This shit was banned in our house for being faggoty and trying to feminize a man (again, not that I would've known that term at the time). My family would also talk about how stupid the whole premise is because men don't have wombs.
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>>221977575
>>221977533
>>221977499
>>221977479
See. You all even have ai guiding you if you just type it in.

But you won’t. And the people just like you did the same fucking shit. The only difference between you and them is you are lazy as shit and need to be spoon fed everything.
I’m not going to do it because it upsets you and I don’t like you. But anyone not lazy as fuck like you can look it up and see the articles written about it and see you are lazy dishonest pieces of shit. I win. That’s it. Enjoy your days.

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>>221977613
She has a point about capitalism, but not about the species as a whole.

>>221975970
Because Sigourney Weaver is so masculine and tall you don’t even think about her being a woman. She’s basically a dude

such piss poor bait

>>221977602
The biggest plot hole in Aliens is the line about "Arcturian poontang". This implies that there are alien races out there that humans have interacted with on a regular basis, so it doesn’t make sense that the marines are skeptical of Ridley’s story of her encounter with a deadly creature.

>>221977667
>I could totally provide proof but I won’t for reasons

lol every time.

>>221975970
Women had not yet been weaponized to destroy the West. People used to be people and not just black rectangle worshipers.

>221977667
low quality
no (you) for you

>>221977528
wtf is this movie, i don't remember this

>>221977229
I'm sure you know this, but Hudson saying "she heard alien, and thought they meant 'illegal alien', and signed up" was written because Jeanette Goldstein showed up to the audition thinking the movie was about illegal immigration

>>221977687
That could just as easily be a different type of human. We have names for different types of humans on this planet, obviously we'd call humans on another planet something too.

>>221977756
I didn't, thanks for that though. This makes it even better, hahaha.

>>221977229
Predator 2 was the actress from The Running Man, anon.

>>221977795
He meant Terminator 2.

>>221977795
Oh damn, I could have sworn they were the same person.

>>221977776
It’s safe to assume that Arcturians are probably humanoid, but would most likely have some differences from Earthlings due to being from another planet.

>>221977806
Nah I fucked up, I always thought the Predator 2 cop chick was the same girl. I do remember her in Terminator 2 though, she was the step mom iirc.

>>221977795
Maria Conchita Alonso was in some filthy (not in even in the good way, trust me) porn in the 70s or 80s. I can't remember if she's Mexican or some type of South American, but whatever country made it clearly used to sacrifice humans en masse to their evil gods. It's quite disgusting, I can assure you.

Wierzbowski and Crowe needed more to do than just show up and die.

>>221977825
humans will likely have to be genetically modified to survive long-term on any planet other than earth

>>221975970
Men action leads (1960s - 1990s) protect the weak and punch-upwards against a higher authority. Modern movie heroines are written by feminists that believe their character (no matter the setting) is in a constant fight against a patriarchal system and must make an example out of men. Ripley (and Sarah Connor) seem to be the anomaly.

>>221978040
https://youtu.be/7Cy5ltT_dLM?is=KTn1-TsaqcyRAvCM

It certainly does raise some questions.

>>221977687
Yes, because if American Marines went to asia and commented on getting some Filpina Poontang, it's safe to assume Filipinas are some weird alien creatures and not human. And certainly there are no Filipina ladyboys (there are). They're fucking Colonial Marines. Their entire job is to go to dozens of different colonies. They explicitly say it is boring, colonists are dumb, nothing ever happens, aliens aren't real, and they like fucking colonist daughters which are human. You guys are such retards that have ruined modern movies with the need to overexplain everything.

>>221977164
>3. Ripley is not sassy either.
She is periodically but it's usually justified, it's not her being a mean spirited cruel bitch like say Helena in Indy 5.

>>221978409
Okay, but watch the scene again >>221978208.

>>221975970
You'd first have to define woke, which nobody on the planet can do. The term itself thrives on being vague, that's how it gets abused so relentlessly. Every retarded yokel fuck has an idea of what it is, but there is no static definition.

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RANKING MODERN FEMALE CHARACTERS! (2010 onward)

(GREAT)
> Ilsa Faust (Mission Impossible 5-7)
> Olivia Dunham (Fringe - both universes)
> Karen Page (Daredevil)
> Judge Anderson (Dredd)
> Victoria Moretti (Longmire)
> Nebula (Mcu)
> Wanda (Mcu - pre-WV)
> Grace (Mission Impossible 7-8)
> Agent Carter (Mcu)

(VERY GOOD)
> Delores (Westworld - S1 only)
> Jessica Jones (only seen S1 - THAT was how you do a proper moral feminist message not whatever in the fuck She-Hulk is)
> Carter (Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol)
> Lois Lane (Dceu - primarily Mos)

(GOOD)
> Jyn (Rogue One)
> Furiosa
> Gamora (Mcu)
> Black Widow (Mcu)
> Nakia (Mcu)
> Dceu Wonder Woman
> Dceu Mera

(DECENT)
> Ms Marvel (Mcu)
> Wanda (Mcu - WV onward)
> Shuri (Mcu)
> Shang Chi's Sister
> Kravitz Catwoman
> Live Action Bo-Katan (Star Wars)

(WEAK)
> Rey (Star Wars)
> Captain Marvel (Mcu)
> Captain Carter (Mcu - What If)

(BAD)
> Galadriel (Rings of Power)
> Michael Burnham (Trek Discovery)
> Raffi (Trek Picard)
> Jurati (Trek Picard)
> She-Hulk (Mcu)

(AWFUL)
> Navarro (True Detective Night Country)
> Teela (Motu Revelations)
> Indian Velma
> The Acolyte twins

Because no one has actually seen Aliens which is why they say it's good. It's shit. It's a shit movie on it's own and it's a shit continuation of Alien.

>>221978581
James Cameron is eternally based for calling the britbong crew of Aliens a bunch of lazy tea drinking faggots.

>>221977575
>God I hate you faggots so much.
They are insufferable delusionists arent they

Ellen Ripley is a character. Period. She isn't a list of tropes, she isn't a checklist of marks to hit. She is a character first and foremost. She struggles, she fails, she is scared, she endured. Think the elevator scene in Aliens. She is fucking terrified of what's to come and it shows all over her face, but when the elevator reaches the bottom, she has no choice but to put on a brave face and fight. Modern writers and modern actresses could never pull off such a believable female badass.

>>221979208
Bump

>>221975970
welp, she died in the end

>>221975970
You can get away with anything if your product is good.

>>221975970
Because everything about her character is justified by the plot. She's not instant superwoman. She's actually just a regular person thrown into a crazy situation that's trying to survive and everything is believable.

>>221977687
>"Arcturian poontang".

They're colonial marines. Arcturus was another colony. They were banging space kathoeys.

>>221981279
Bump

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>>221975970
You caught a lot with that glaringly obvious bait, OP.

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>>221978563
>(GREAT)
>> Judge Anderson (Dredd)
Based!

>>221975970
Its probably the lack of lines insinuating that she is morally, intellectually, and physically better than not only every man on the ship but every man in the universe.

The only good alien is a dead alien.

>>221975970
BASED Youtubers weren't around to tell me she was yet

>>221976288
if Alien came out today
>the alien represents the patriarchy with no subtlety.
>Ripley gets sexually assaulted then beats the shit out the guy that did it and says some line like "should have thought about that before pig"
>instead of running away from the Alien she faces it head on and kicks it in its nuts because she is so awesome and cool and struggling is too feminine.

why zoomers are so defensive over new entertainment being called bad?
i see this with movies, anime and video games, imagine being defensive over modern shit, especially when your generation is in fucking shambles, no yeah bro the boomer generation that had private properties and no Indians everywhere yeah that generation couldn't possibly have had better media than now

>>221977300
>>221977457
Whats with leftists and historical revisionism? Its like their favorite past time or something.

>>221984532
Bump

>>221976288
>I choose the alien.

>>221975970
Ultimately, it's a story about how it was a horrible decision to pursue a college education and career because she was always happiest when taking care of a child.

>>221976026
Turns out when you have better filmmakers and actors who look like they belong, people don’t really mind

>>221975970
Because she was written as a woman, not a girlboss. She was strong without sacrificing her femininity in the process, and in fact draws her strength from it in the second movie (resolving to save the girl from the hive because of her feelings as a mother).
And because the agenda-pushing wasn't around back then, so she was organic. She was in the story because she belonged there, not forced down our throats.

>human resources meme with Ellen Ripley saying "Get away from her, you bitch!" in the first panel and then Rey saying some thing that she said in the second panel

>>221975970
Because she was a well written character, and her character didnt exist to specifically to meet an agenda and to subliminally message propaganda.
There were no parallels to modern politics of its time.
It was just a bad ass chick fighting aliens.
Prometheus also had a good female protagonist.
Which is relatively modern, so its not just old thing good, new thing bad.
Dont get me wrong, there was still subtle wokeness in Prometheus, but it wasnt around the main protagonist.

>>221986495
What are some other movies with this plotline?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCrfiNsqFbk

>>221976428
>Ripley or Sarah because both of them were the leads of their series from the beginning. They did not subsume or replace anyone.

Anon who was the more famous actor and prominently used in the movies promotional material for Alien, Tom Skerritt or Sigourney Weaver?

You are trying to invent a reality that didn't exist but you are ignorant about because you weren't alive for it.
Hey were people excited when Michael Keaton was announced to play Batman?

>>221981279
See >>221978508

>>221975970
>Why isn't Ellen Ripley considered woke for being >a female heroine in Alien/Aliens?
IT IS WOKE but its a matter of degree.
No way she emerges as a leader among a bunch of marine men or that Vasquez is some bad ass.
It came out when the female boss character was fairly new so it was not picked up on as such and she wasn't portrayed as perfect. It was an exception, not the rule. People liked the action so they have a pleasant feeling towards the movie which they are unwilling to let go of and so they make LAME EXCUSES as to why its a "STONK WOMAN done RIGHT"
Also she is not as exaggerated as todays Mary Sues