And literally all the culture war bullshit that I heard about it up until watching it was wrong>Travis Scott raps in the filmAt no point is there modern rap music, there are two 20 second scenes where poetry is recited slightly aggresively.>They cast Elliot Page as Achilles.Not only is Elliot cast as Sinon, a literal small young teenager, Achilles is not mentioned a single time in the film>They replaced the cyclops with those dudes in iron armor, they're not even respecting the source material!Nope, the cycops is one of the first parts of the film and arguably its best sectionYeah Helen in Troy is hotter and the line about the bronze age collapsing is cliché but besides those things it was a pretty good movie, overall a 7/10
>>222302532True. Unfortunately the movie was terrible.
>>222302532Did ancient greeks actually live in nothing but crumbling ruins like this movie shows? Didnt they ever build anything new?
>>222302559Why would you build anything new if the sea peoples are just going to come and wreck it?
>>222302532Stanley Kubrick would never have introduced Africans and transsexuals into the representation of an ancient myth. He loved truth too much for that. And that is why he will forever be a greater artist than Christopher Nolan.
>>222302559the destruction of Troy is a major plot point retardbro
>>222302931What does that have to do with Greeks?
>>222302532>fighting strawmenThey're not sending their best.
>>222302532shut up goy
>>222302931How did destroying Troy make it look 3000 years old?
>>222302931Ithaca looks like it's a literal greek tourist attraction. They shoot on real ruins which looks retarded.
>>222302976Just turn your brain off :)
>>2223025321.-the point is that he has no bussines there2.-literally debunked a week or two after the trailer came out3.- nobody ever said that. The cyclops was in the trailer2/10 threadAnd 5/10 movie. Means I will never watch it ever again.
>>222302532>Achilles is not mentioned a single time in the filmSo Nolan cut an important and kino part of the Odyssey? Just one more reason not to watch this slop.
>Odysseus my nigga we runnin we gunnin we huntin we str8 up>Odysseus my nigga we defiant we fightin the giants we str8 up>Odysseus my nigga gotta deal with hella suitors and haters on da computer we str8 up >Odysseus my nigga we fuckin da sirens that pussy be wilin we str8 up Bravo Nolan
>>222302957>>222302972actually don't worry about it bros, praise kek>>222302976sure but there aren't any palaces from before the bronze age collapse still standing so
>>222302532>Not only is Elliot cast as Sinon, a literal small young teenager, Achilles is not mentioned a single time in the filmYeah, because they merged him with Sinon. It's Achilles that speaks to Odysseus in hades, so that rumor wasn't completely incorrect.>They replaced the cyclops with those dudes in iron armor, they're not even respecting the source materialNow you're merging complaints lol. People made issues of the cyclops and armor looking like shit, and the way Odysseus and gang just sneak past the cyclops instead of strapping themselves to sheep, but I don't recall anyone thinking that one was replaced with the other.
>>222302532Black Helen of Troy is based. I love white woman but they need to be knocked off their pedestal a bit. And non-white men need non-white women as sex symbols so they stop being relentlessly thirsty in every 6/10+ white woman's IG comments.
>>222302532>Travis Scott IS in the film*That should be enough don't you think?
>>222303488>I love white womanShut the fuck up you retarded jeet cunt
>>222302532>Helen in Troy is hottercritical melanine level detected
>>222302532It took you a month to figure out Ellen wasn’t Achilles?
>>222302532Mostly agreed.>At no point is there modern rap musicThe end credits definitely count.
All the armor looks like Halloween costumes
>>222302559>Did ancient greeks actually live in nothing but crumbling ruins like this movie shows? Didnt they ever build anything new?It was the ruins of older, Atlantean civilization, uneducated Chud!
>>222302532The cyclops was fucking gross desu
I just saw it aswell minutes ago for fairness sake, sparkling and REALLY loud pile of hollywood slopshitGood: Polyphemus looked great, circes pig transformation was amazing (and gross), skylla was also great, Nolan played his role as the villain wellBad: everything else. talking slow with deep voices doesn't make the dialogue better, movie often makes no sense and has very weird design ideas, costume department should be held trial not only for the batman-agamemnon but overall lack of direction (why is his son wearing shirts). A lot of retarded things in the writing that made no sense but were there for dramas sake (building the wooden horse in the water, oh no some ppl inside drown, no shit sherlock) and why the fuck do some strangers all of a sudden speak greek and odysseus men translate it to him? They are all greek! Whats the fucking point?Dont watch it if you dislike hollywood slop or like the original story. I wonder though if people can follow the narrative if they dont know the original, because the entire plot is told from the ending back.I thought some scenes shown in the online hatetrain were generate by AI to spite the movie but they were all in the movieGood lord why did I do that
>>222303488Why did she look like shit, they could have at least tried to make her likeable of beautiful
>"It's not woke honest">Black Helen of Troy>Black Greek sotryteller>FTM 'Greatest warrior ever">Odysseus portrayed as tired/bumbling/washed up>2nd in command a literal jeet>Random Asian in the crew>All women constantly saying men are pigs, its men's fault, basically fuck menBut TOTALLY not woke right?Kalso fuck off.
>>222302532All Oscar check boxes checked means it's shit, period.
>>222305427It's funny that /pol/tards who haven't seen the movie are so fucking assmad that they don't even realize all the minority characters basically get BTFO in silly ways>Ellen Page ACKED by some random Trojans within the first minute of the film>Jeet tries to defacto mutiny Odysseus and gets him and the other men turned into pigs within the first five seconds without Odysseus, who then saves them>Asian guy suicides himself for some nymphussy>Helen is a broken woman under the thumb of burn local>Clytemnestra put to death off screen by Agamemnon's son>Only Black suitor is the first to die, in a comical fashion, where Odysseus shoots him through the neck mid sentenceWhat did Nolan mean by this?
Anyone notice all the Box office/Goyscore Odyssey spam and the grok comic faggot just dropped off the face of the earth compared to last night?Huh how bout dat?
>>222302559You are just desensitized by the modern hyper visualization of everything. It was somewhat simple but elegant and there is nothing wrong with that.
>>222305601They clock in for work in soon btw. Post activity is gonna fucking explode on these shit threads
>>222305581Clearly, he and other businessmen knew it'd be best two insert minority characters to meet DEI requirements and generate controversy, but have their presence minimal so as to annoy people as little as possible. Calculated business move.
>>222305581>Asian guy suicides himself for some nymphussyThis one is pretty funny, when you think about it. The randy Japanese man just couldn't resist.
>>222305427>"It's not woke honest">Black Helen of Troyshe has only two scenes and does nothing important>Black Greek sotrytellerhas only one scene and a voice cameo near the end, less than a minute of screentime. His first scene ends with Penelope telling him to, in less polite terms, shut the fuck up>FTM 'Greatest warrior ever"Sinon is not called the greatest warrior ever. Odysseus calls him brave because he feels guilty getting him killed to sell the ruse of the Trojan horse>Odysseus portrayed as tired/bumbling/washed upOdysseus is never portrayed as anything but competent and intelligent. You’re just lying about this.>2nd in command a literal jeetAnd gets himself killed because he doesn’t listen to Odysseus>Random Asian in the crewHas no lines and gets himself killed by the Sirens in the only scene that gives him any focus>All women constantly saying men are pigs, its men's fault, basically fuck menAlso untrue. Only woman who says anything remotely like this is Circe and she’s portrayed as batshit insane. Her turning Odysseus’ men into pigs is not justified at all since they never attack or insult her.
>>222305972>she has only two scenes and does nothing importantShe is to portray the only white greeks as evil>has only one scene and a voice cameo near the end, less than a minute of screentime. His first scene ends with Penelope telling him to, in less polite terms, shut the fuck upAnd Penelope was evil there>Sinon is not called the greatest warrior ever. Odysseus calls him brave because he feels guilty getting him killed to sell the ruse of the Trojan horseThey erased Achilles for him>Odysseus is never portrayed as anything but competent and intelligent. You’re just lying about this.His dumbness with Polyphemus speaks otherwise>And gets himself killed because he doesn’t listen to OdysseusTo normalize his presence>Has no lines and gets himself killed by the Sirens in the only scene that gives him any focusTo normalize his presence>Also untrue. Only woman who says anything remotely like this is Circe and she’s portrayed as batshit insane. Her turning Odysseus’ men into pigs is not justified at all since they never attack or insult her.The movie says they're the sea people pillagers so she is right to fear.
>>222302559their bronze age was collapsing
>>222302532>have the opportunity to do the tentpole blank-check ultimate version of the odyssey>yeah we're not going to do the most iconic scenes from the story, completely omit others, and leave the rest up to your imagination.
>>222302532>Achilles is not mentioned a single time in the filmThe achilles rumors were set up deliberately by leftists so they could say haha chuds you were wrong, she's not playing this warrior she's playing this other warrior
>>222302532The culture war stuff was manufactured to draw attention away from the movie being a grey mess of bad effects and cinematography. >"I thought it was going to be GAY but it was actually just BAD! Hm... 7/10!"
>>222302532your propaganda is tiresome
>>222305581>>222305972>>222306054this is copy pasta
>>222306116new cope just dropped
Ellen Page specifically plays the role meant for Achilles in the afterlife, saying she's a different character is irrelevant if she ends up acting out the same lines that are Achilles from the source material, thus she's meant to portray Achilles, which in itself is an extreme subversion and demoralization of a foundational western piece of ancient media and storytelling, all because you want to legitimize the transsexual mentally ill castration cult and further humiliate western men
>>222306302>words words wordschuds can't meme
>>222302532>there are two 20 second scenes where poetry is recited slightly aggresivelyWhat? They have an actual poetry slam in the movie... by a ghetto rapper?!! Lol. I thought he was maybe an assistant to a producer on the soundtrack or something, just something to attach his name to the movie to get the Urbans excited. That's hilarious.
>>222306377No anon you don't understand, some random faggot on twitter told OP that something really really bad would happen, but instead, something really bad happened. So the movie is actually great.
>>222306302crashing out hard
>>222302532>>222306377Please tell me that the "poetry" is ebonicized.
>>222306351>>222306475aww if it doesn't come from their favorite hamas propagandist on tiktok they can't understand lol
>>222306515
Yes we know Spiderman is worse for it but it wont get mentioned
>words words wordsthese are the people that tell you to read marx btw lol
I liked it and here's whyNolan unintentionally made an incredibly chud-coded filmon the surface it appears to be fairly modern progressive in its outlook and its metaphor. The film chooses to portray the bronze age collapse as a consequence of "breaking zeus' law" aka everyone breaking down all the norms of civilisation and this leading to a domino effect which destroys it. Ostensibly, this seems to be Nolan saying that in the present day, the visible collapse and decline of western societies and politics is similarly due to a breaking of norms, which I think nolan blames on modern political divisions and specifically trump-style populist rhetoric. but nolan is only half right. he is correct that western societies are deeply threatened by collapse and decay and that this is due to the breakdown of civil norms, but what he doesn't realise is that the destruction of those norms isn't occurring right now, it occurred decades ago during the latter half of the 20th century as a suicidal form of social atomisation and social progressivism began to take root in the core of western societies. that rot is the cause of much of what we see wrong with society today. nolan accurately diagnoses both the problem at hand and the mechanism causing that problem, but misattributes it to recent politics because he is, ultimately, a massive fucking midwit. the good news is that this turns the odyssey into an accidental masterpiece for me, because I am able to fully engage with it as representing a direct, pointed critique of western societal decay (not to mention the fact it reinterprets the odyssey through a christian moral lens which is actually not a bad idea at all as far as reinterpretations go)in other words nolan tries to espouse a liberal-progressive message but using fundamentally reactionary logic, which then leads to the movie actually representing a deeply reactionary stance if you're willing to see it that way, and I love it for that
>>222307037I'd also add this retroactively fixes issues I had like the casting and the americanised dialogue, because the film isn't actually about ancient greece, it's about us, and so it actually plays well into the idea that this movie is just as much about the bronze age greeks as it is about usalso nolan despite being a midwit is still a very competent filmmaker/showman, and so despite many many deeply retarded things being included the movie still comes across as a real spectacle. the soundtrack and some of the more horror-themed scenes stand out to me in particular.
>>222307037>>222307106I wish I thought Nolan intended this but I highly doubt it, he's too much of a midwit imo. but who knows
>>222306554Thank god 4chan is anonymous or else these shitters would need to figure out a way to block you or restrict further comments or something.
>>222302532why does all the bow and arrow stuff look stupid, like its a tim and eric skit? I've been trying to figure it out for days.
>>222307208I don't understand how an R rated movie has almost no blood in it when people die.
>>222306529Kek
>>222305601I got sick of the one insane anon posting trannies so I left the thread
>>222307208I think its because of this. The actors are never pulling an actual bow string that has real tension in it. Thats why it just looks super weak when they pull the string and let an arrow go. Stupid prop bows and actors too weak to pull a real one over and over. It really took me out of the movie.
>>222307037Damn, that's like 3 books worth of interpretation for something that was barely present in the movie. But if this made you enjoy it, sure, your winFor me the entire movie and its success is a decline in society kek
>>222307285>so I left the threadthanks for letting us know
>>222307347>Damn, that's like 3 books worth of interpretation for something that was barely present in the movie. But if this made you enjoy it, sure, your wina system is what it does. if the movie strikes me this way, and holds that way when scrutinised, then I am happy.
>>222304885shes black, kind of hard to not look like shit.
>>222302559For real, no one is complaining about this but it's part of why the production design of the movie is so bad. The palace at Ithica looks like they found a historical ruin and decided to squat there, with crumbling frescos that look centuries old. Yeah i know MUH AGE OF BRONZE COLLAPSING but it looks ridiculous and cheapens the idea of Odysseus having anything worth returning to, PTSD or no
>>222307037And that's not even mentioning how much stress they put on "these uninvited guests aren't honoring the social contract". if this movie were identical but made by Mel Gibson, people would call it overt anti-immigrant propaganda. I'm not even a conservative but as I was watching the movie I kept thinking how chuddy this ostensibly woke movie was
>>222307843>cheapens the idea of Odysseus having anything worth returning to, PTSD or noThat was the idea. Odysseus didn't want to return home because home was destroyed. The breakdown of the world once Zeus' Law no longer applied meant there was no place to escape to (apart from spending your days with Calypso eating lotos). Everything was ruined.
>>222307965>I'm not even a conservative but as I was watching the movie I kept thinking how chuddy this ostensibly woke movie was>treat each other with respect, the respectful guest will be welcomed by a generous hostMaybe left and right agree on more than you think. Maybe the divisions between us are being exploited by the guys getting rich off people fighting each other.
Plot twistNolan is in a hostage situation (humiliation ritual)The best he could do it insert the DEI cast in the first minutes of the movie to net the Academy Awards' accolades and later remove these scenes in the director's cut
>>222307980Yes I understand the theming of the movie but Ithica being a shithole did nothing for it. The idea that Odysseus is traumatized and disillusioned is meant to be personal, and also something that's properly revealed at the end of the movie. It would actually hit harder if Ithica were presented as halfway livable. Then you might have a "look at what he's lost" emotional reaction and not "yeah no shit he didn't want to get back to his stupid ruin"
>>222302532>I just got back from shitting my brains out in an Indian slum and I'm here to DESTROY a strawman's arguments with FACTS AND LOGIC
>>222307037>unintentionallythe main character literally looks into the camera and says "society is collapsing because no one follows traditional values anymore"
>>222302559You can go to Greece any day and see the ruins yourself. That's how they lived.
>>222308071>Yes I understand the themingsaar
>>222308071>Yes I understand the theming of the movie but Ithica being a shithole did nothing for it.I think it did. If everything was still polished and nice, then Odysseus would be just another traumatized war veteran returning to a home that moved on without him. By making the whole world crumble, it drives home what a terrible mistake he made and why he feels so guilty.
>>222308132chuds genuinely pretend that Nolan put this in there by accident
>>222302532>Not only is Elliot cast as Sinon, a literal small young teenagerShe hasn't been a teenager for 20 years
>>222308198Neither has your mom
>>222308184No, the chuds want the traditional values, but they don't want to abide by the traditional norms that derived from those values. They want it both ways.
>>222308236Lol, she should have kept her mouth shut. Her feminist take on the Odyssey got raked over the coals but as soon as the guy who defended her makes a movie she bitches. Now everyone hates her.
>>222308236>>222308254>>222308276Why do you have a collection of these, incel?
>>222302532>At no point is there modern rap musicIt's over the end credits>Achilles isn't in the filmBecause his role has been replaced with Sinon, retard>replaced cyclopsYou're slow and blaming your poor comprehension on others
>>222308295One of these might just be the thing that prevents someone from going to see the movie. I need this thing to not hit a billie.
>>222308236Emily Wilson already got btfo for this
>>222302532>two 20 second scenes where poetry is recited slightly aggresivelyI mean rap is literally just poetry
>>222305972>she has only two scenes and does nothing importantSo she's not Helen of Troy?>has only one scene and a voice cameo near the endSo he's not a black Greek storyteller?>And gets himself killedSo he's not a literal jeet?>Has no lines and gets himself killedSo he's not Asian?
>>222308331It was classic outcast gatekeeping behavior. She got scared that the popular kids started to get into the niche thing she was into and chud'ed out.
>>222308348in a way, yes.
>>222308331And then the woman that tried to shit on her watched the TV movie and realized how much Nolan sucks.
>>222308352Do any of these actually matter, though?Remember, these are 100% fictional characters.When someone does an interpretation of a Shakespeare play but sets it in the world of modern finance instead of Medieval Europe, no one shits and pisses their pants. It's only happening now because Elon Musk had a little twittershitfit in between ketamine doses.
>>222302532i saw somebody say the odyssey should be reimagined as a black guy getting home in the hood and i can't stop thinking about it
>>222302532>Nope, the cycops is one of the first parts of the film and arguably its best sectionhow familiar are you with the cyclops myth anon?the whole point of the story is to set up odysseus lying about his namenolan skipped all this because....?
>>222305784Asian guy sees one topless white woman and folds IMMEDIATELY
>>222306302>if she ends up acting out the same lines that are Achilles from the source material, thus she's meant to portray AchillesYou have never read the odyssey
>>222308395>its actually secretly basedNo it isn't>w-well... it doesn't matter if it's woke because it's fiction>When someone does an interpretation of a Shakespeare play but sets it in the world of modern finance instead of Medieval Europe, no one shits and pisses their pantsWhen an adaptation is set in the story's correct period, you should it to be more respectful of the original text
>>222308439now that would have made billions easy, why won't they embrace black culture
>>222302532>>They replaced the cyclops with those dudes in iron armor, they're not even respecting the source material!Nobody said that. Faggot.
>>222308439>i saw somebody say the odyssey should be reimagined as a black guy getting home in the hood and i can't stop thinking about itMight actually be a decent movie>Young Dontrelle studies hard in high school and gets into a good university>His parents can't afford tuition so he gets a ROTC scholarship>He graduates, joins the military and goes off to war>He leaves the military and, with his degree joins corporate America>After traveling around the world for his job, he eventually comes home to discover that his family and old friends haven't moved an inch, while his experiences mean he can no longer relate to the trifling drama of the old neighborhood.>Dontrelle must now try and resolve the fact that the wealth and experiences that he's accumulated have alienated him from his home.
I'm not reading a nolanoid post
>>222308514>When an adaptation is set in the story's correct period, you should it to be more respectful of the original textTrue, but Nolan's version doesn't actually specify when the movie is set. He doesn't say "Greece, 1200BC" in the intertitle card. It just says "A time of apparent magic".
>>222308514>When an adaptation is set in the story's correct period, you should it to be more respectful of the original textyou never read the original text, nor do you know anything about the "correct" period.
>>222308672I didn't even bring up the issue of the language of the poem in this picture btw. Nobody ever spoke the language of the Homeric poems. Not because of the fact that its poetic, but because it is a mad mix of distinct dialects from distinct time periods.
>>222308254>acclaimed
>>222302532Raped out and gaped out by Spider-Man
>>222302532I'll pirate this shit when it comes out. I'm not paying to see blacks in a greek movie
>>222308672You're indian
>>222309146Yeah, so?
>>222309064Yeah, but that's no loss because Odyssey fans like Spider-Man as much as chuds hate Spider-Man.>Haha! I bet you enjoyed that glass of fine wine! Well, what if I were to get you a SECOND glass of even finer wine! Hahahahaha! Aren't you upset? Wait...no, you weren't supposed to drink that! It was expensive! Mom's gonna freak!
I pirated this earlier today because there is no way I will give my hard-earned money to a coward who bent the knee to Oscars DEI nonsense.Everything in the film is good except for the DEI shit. The DEI casting takes you out of the movie at every turn where it occurs, which is throughout the film. The "Greek" crew of Odysseus has black and Indian people in it. The suitors have Asians and blacks among them. The people of Troy are diverse. Agamemnon and Menelaus have twin black wives. It's retarded and jarring. But if you can do your best to ignore that shit and try to get immersed... it's okay. The scenes you've heard that are the best in the film are indeed the best. The actual story is not bad either, with Odysseus trying to get home, his son trying to hold shit together back home and Penelope struggling to keep hope alive. It's not great though. And some of the dialog is TERRIBLE. Like B-movie tier shit. Almost exclusively every actor is giving a bad performance. Maybe Pattinson is okay but since NOBODY tries to speak like somebody from 4000 years ago, it's again distracting. Somewhere within this film is a masterpiece, but it's obscured by DEI crap and a lousy script. Damon, while the way he speaks is not authentic, gives a good performance and I did not think "this is just Matt Damon being Matt Damon" while watching. I also did not think he did Odysseus any justice as a character. Ultimately, this should not have been an Odyssey film - Nolan should have just made some generic fantasy slop where a guy tries to get back home after some great adventure. If this had no connection to that Greek epic, it would have come across better because at least you can create a world that is just diverse for no reason. Fine, whatever. But this is based off of Bronze Age Greece and it's an adaptation of a story with an established setting, characters, etc. It does no justice to the source material.I'd still rate it 6.5/10. It is good. It is not great.
Why was there NO RAPE in the Sack of Troy? 10 years of jerking off on a beach and you're telling me they just kill the women and not rape them?
>>222309191>capeshit is now "fine wine"jesus christ, how low this board has fallen
>>222308496Sinon isn't in the Odyssey, he's in the Aeneid.
>>222302532Enjoy your wokeussy, faggot.
>>222302532Was it rape?The movie its fucking good btw, dayum!!
>>222302532>I CLAPPED I CLAPPED WHEN THE BIG CYCLOPS MUPPET SHOWED UP
>>222302532How many greek people are in the movie?
>>222302532OK poopjeet... you're two weeks late and you made a bunch of shit up for your strawman criticisms. >They replaced the cyclops with those dudes in iron armor, they're not even respecting the source material!No one has ever claimed this, faggot. This is probably a jeet bot, not even a real Anon. One semi interesting scene with the cyclops doesn't make up for the rest of the movie being boring trash.
>>222302532>Achilles is not mentioned a single time in the filmSeriously? The scene with Achilles' ghost is one of the best parts of the book. They cut that?
>>222302532>Not only is Elliot cast as Sinon, a literal small young teenager, Achilles is not mentioned a single time in the filmI also couldn't help but notice the only thing she does in the film is die miserable in the very first scene and then cry like a baby in hades about it
>>222308164This would be more believable if every other recent movie set in ancient times didnt just film in old ruins instead of building sets because its cheaper and easier
>>222308203Literally every actor in this movie is miscast. It's actually impressive how bad it is.
>>222308383lol
>>222310971God Pattinson was terrible in this. Just winking at the audience the entire time
