I'm watching Star Trek Deep Space 9 for the first time and I can't help but like this dood. There's something very charismatic about him, despite being an obvious genocidal psychopath.
he is explicitly not genocidal. you dont understand dukat at all
>>222315728I've been told he did little, if anything, wrong.
>>222315728That smile. That damned smile...
>>222315745>>222315777
>>222315728>obvious genocidal psychopath.A few million people died in Bajor out of a population of billions over thee course of 50 years. Per capita more people die from car accidents.
>>222315745He's cool. He's just a motherfucker
>>222316503Bajor has no cars.
>>222315728>muh genocide1) There was no genocide2) Even if there was the Bajorans deserved it 3) The Bajorans wanted to be conquered, they straddled three large empires and made zero defence treaties with any of them and didn't even maintain a standing army. If they weren't going to secure their borders and utilize their resources for the good of the masses then its only natural the strong and motivated should integrate them into a superior system
>>222316559Thanks to Dukat outlawing them to protect his beloved Bajorans.
DS9 has mostly really strong & memorable characters
>>222316559BAJOR NEEDS NO CARS
>>222316672Bullshit. You can't even recite one (1) quote from the character Morn.
>>222316672I'll drink to that
a transit hub space station in a remote grey zone backwater is a ludokino setting, always wondered why more scifi didnt adopt a similar setting
>>222316809meh, it is not that profitable, you always have some scum prying on your gains or an annoying officer trying to teach you better, if I were you I would move from this sector. Take this as a friendly warning.
>>222316730>sits at a table in Fork's Bar & Grill"I'll have an artific-ale please good sir"
>>222315728Marc Alaimo has said he played Dukat as though he was the hero of the show.
>>222316974it shows
>>222315777nice
>>222317429It's why the character works, because Dukat believes he's the hero of the story.
>>222315728My fav character.Marc really did a fantastic job playing him
>>222316974I thought Jake was the hero?
>>222317837Jake was a boring nothing who was only there to be used as an add-on for Sisko's character. That still makes him better than most kids in Trek shows, but only because the bar is so low.
>>222317607but mainly because he is the hero who defeats the sisko by sacrificing himself in the fire caves.
>>222317659Alaimo is instantly recognizable when watching 70's tv shows like Police Story>Hey, it's mf'ing Gul Dukat!
>>222315728>genocidalNah
>>222316730...
>>222317897https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOsHkVN16GM
>>222318033
>>222315728>Start DS9 right after TNG>Fuck, this captain is a shitty actor>The doctor is a sex pest?>Bajorans are so boring>Eyecandy useless characters like Daz>From mid season 2 onwards>Bajoran content takes a backseat>Every character is multi-dimensional and gets their time to shine>Intriguing storyline in most episodes with moral grey areas>Julian x Miles and Julian x Garak are fucking based>Dominion warDS9 is, dare I say it, more based than TNG. TNG still has great overall characters and storylines throughout, and nobody can compare to Picard, but DS9 is a lot more consistent from both of these perspectives imo. I'm glad the tides have been turning in the past few years, it seems like almost as many people prefer DS9 as TNG nowadays.
>>222318111TNG is so bland and boring because the characters are all goody-two shoes. DS9 was far less cowardly in presenting genuine moral dilemmas
>>222318111>>222318152The problem with TNG is that while half the characters are some of the genuine greats of sci-fi (Picard, Worf, Data) the other half of the cast is boring as shit (Troi, Geordi, Beverly). With DS9, I could see almost any of the main cast being someone's favorite character. Except for Jadzia, she fucking sucks.
>>222315745>he is explicitly not genocidal
>>222315728He's a strong leader, proud of his race and his planet, and he's a family man. Nothing not to like. And no he's not genocidal. Bajor was occupied and there were a few million deaths, so what, Bajorans are scum anyway.
>>222316911Yes yes, your cousin has a moon, we know.
>>222318152Star Trek should be about goody two shoes. At least the Feds.
>>222318589Sure but they should still have flaws and character depth. TNG got much better when Roddenberry died and the writers were free of his endless moralfagging and his "no character drama/conflict" rule. DS9 went even further and actually showed the Federation as being flawed. I think that's good, because otherwise it just presents the Federation as always having the correct take, which usually is just some neolib light-woke bullshit anyway.
DS9 is for edgelord kids who never actually liked what Trek was about. They might as well just watch Battlestar Galactica.Bashirfaggot is a pedophile.
>>222318879>DS9 is for edgelord kidsConfirmed for never watching the show, the edginess of DS9 is wildly overstated. The Federation characters all act within the bounds of typical Fed morality, it's just that in one single episode Sisko did one edgy thing at the urging of a Cardassian assassin and suddenly the show gets the reputation of being "dark".
>>222318918>did one edgy thing at the urging of a Cardassian assassinAlways annoyed me how he experienced no comeuppance for that. It should have at least been revealed in the finale, even if only after he joins the non-corporeal realm
People really think DS9 was 'edgy' when TNG has explicit mentions of rape gangs in it's first few episodes
>>222318918>Confirmed for never watching the showI've watched the entire franchise and I've noticed what kind of people like what. Didn't bother reading the rest of your post. Seriously, just go watch BSG instead of pretending.
>>222315728The villains mog the rest of the cast.
>>222318111the big difference is TNG is still that oldschool episodic format, aside from the odd two part episode most of the show stands on their own, it doesn't really matter if people miss a week there's rarely anything relevant to the next weels episode to gatekeep them. after paramount were pitched babylon 5 they suddenly but completely by coincidence decided DS9 should shift away from that and start including longer arcs and more serialised plots, so the characters get a lot more development as the larger stories unfold, compared to TNG where a lot of the supporting characters are pretty static and nothing changes week to week.
>>222319130Female Changeling was shit but Damar and Weyoun's banter was genuinely hilarious
>>222316730Gottem
>>222316503I could see a mortality rate like that still being shocking by 24th century Alpha Quadrant standards with the technology available and how barbaric everyone thinks 20th/21st century Earth was even before WWIII, but with the state of Bajor pre-occupation they must have memed themselves into thinking it was a bigger shoah than it was by their own historical standards
>>222318879>DS9 is for edgelord kidsWe were having a perfectly civil discussion and you felt the need to shitpost this thread all over the galaxy for no reason. Trek threads don't need bait to get to 300 replies.They need tits.
>>222319345Klingons are canonically brutal to the worlds they conquer, and will mass slaughter civilians if even a single Klingon soldier gets targeted by a partisan. But they get painted as muh honorable warriors and somehow get a pass.
Attention Bajoran Workers: today OP was in fact a pretty cool guy.
Dukat is a confluence of an incredibly charming actor/performance and a writers’ room that kept trying to tell the audience how bad he was instead of showing it.Prior to the show just giving up and having Dukat sell out to the Dominion in S5, he goes through as much character growth and arcs as some of the main cast but is constantly shit on for it because he was hitler off screen before the show started. The most heinous thing he did on screen was try to make a deal to get back DS9 in a comedy episode that backfired in a hilarious fashion. Otherwise he’s shown to be suitably ruthless in a ruthless regime, self obsessed in a light, funny way, and a loving father. The audience cares more about what they see him do, which is go through hell trying to serve Cardassia and maintain his honor, rather than what they’re occasionally reminded that he did something bad and no you can’t see it he was bad once so he’ll always be bad.
>>222319473>The most heinous thing he did on screenYou're forgetting something
>>222319473and people like this are why the writers felt the need to ruin him. they're almost as retarded as the people who think he's literally Hitler.
>>222315728I've heard some cast and crew memberts were afraid of Alaimo on set because he seemed to genuinely believe Dukat did nothing wrong.Me? I enjoy MC (Merciful Cardassian) content.
>>222318111>>Every character is multi-dimensionalexcept for Jadzia Dax who is basically still just eyecandy meant to support more interesting characters
>>222319370i want the vulcan milk, give me
He's an unappreciated man
>>222319370>everything i don't liek is BAITYou're stupid. Explains the ENT posting.
someone should make a list of the six DS9 episodes actually worth watching without getting bogged down into the "plot"
>>222319473>bluebeards don't want you to know this
>>222319059confirmed for being a neolib fag who actually thinks the federation is good and who probably watches BBC sissy cuck porn
i dont think they ruined dukat. they made him even more great
>>222318111>and nobody can prepare to Picard
>>222320171Nah. He becomes a Pah'Wraith minion and all his agency as a character is lost.
>>222319582He fucked Kai Winn!
>>222320132if you watch tv like this you're too dumb to enjoy star trek and should just go watch star wars
>>222320236star wars is the definition of getting bogged down in the plot though
If Sisko is so obsessed with being a black guy why was he struggling so much with the fact that he is an immoral warlordminded killer in that episode about the Romulan falseflag"I can live with it" yeah no shit dude you're not some lame cracker
>>222318275>TroiShe was atleast good for one thing
>>222319582Let me clarify. I meant the most heinous thing he did on screen prior to joining the Dominion. After that happens he’s an undeniable villain.Under that qualifier, what am I missing?Almost murdering Ziyal but deciding to suffer the consequences of his Bajoran philandering instead?Bushwhacking a couple of invading Klingon warships? The war orphan scheme? That one was pretty bad now that I remember it, but not as bad as Civil Defense.
>>222315728He's too pathetic to ne genocidal.Dukat's greatness is that he's just a middle-management pencil pusher who genuinely believes himself to be a top-tier hero. They kinda flanderize him later when they have hom do outlandish stuff like commandeering a Klingon bird of prey and becoming a space pirate, or when he turns into the embodiment of Bajoran Evil.I liked him best when he was just a little guy causing drama.
>>222319414What klingons say & how they actually act are completely different. That's why worf is so odd because he grew up apart he follows they ideal not the reality. Ezri brings it up that klingons are always talking about honor but they are always acting dishonorable & underhanded
>>222320205fucking kai winn is 100% dukat.
>>222321395I liked that TNG episode where Riker was a transfer officer on a Klingon ship. Riker was behaviorally more like actual Klingons than Worf ever was; Worf was always an idealist, and he worked best with older Klingons who could appreciate that.
>>222321212One funny thing with DS9 is that they undermined the genocide thing by being totally innumerate, like most SF writers. 15 million deaths over 50 years for an industrial planet would've barely been a blip in mortality rates; I remember when Jake's Bajoran gf, describing her childhood, says "A pretty familiar story – parents killed during the occupation" and I thought, no, that would actually have been pretty unusual.You see the same innumeracy in the episode where Kira needs to force the old guy off his little moon because its energy could "heat a few hundred thousand Bajoran homes this winter", as if you couldn't do that with a fucking shuttlecraft engine.
>>222317915He was a prison guard in an episode of The Incredible Hulk
>>222321609I thought he was like a drunk disgraced ex police officer in that one
>>222321609>>222321643he was in a couple. The writer was his friend and also wrote indiscretion for him
>>222321643Now I'm not sure. Looking up his filmography he was in three different episodes playing three different characters. I guess I'll have to go watch all three and get back to you.
>>222321719Retvrn to shamelessly using kino character actors for multiple roles in the same show
>>222321395That conversation with ezri really slapped some sense into him because right afterwards he finally gives up his blind weebism for pragmatism and kills gowron.
>>222315728he is also in TNG
>>222321850and then he refuses to lead the empire and installed the coward martok. worf is the worst. ds9 ruined klingons far more than it ruined dukat.
>>222321902How the fuck did it ruin Klingons? They fucking invaded and rekt Cardassia, the most badass thing the empire has done on-screen.
>>222321902Worf did the right thing handing it over to Martok. If he had taken the seat of chancellor to himself some political opponents would have dug up Kurn and Alexander exposing his dishonorable actions towards his own family. Martok was a frontline general through most of the war and the only people who knew of his cowardice were Worf and the bridge officers who were probably reassigned to cushy jobs or suicide missions.
>>222316809because people want to seek out adventure, not have adventure come to them
>>222315728Did they ever explain how he got the name Goldie Cat?
>>222322223It was bestowed upon him by Wee Todd.
>>222318275>Beverly>Boring
>>222316974He IS the hero
>>222319742Are you an infant? For an adult to consume breast milk would be... illogical.
>>222322710Didn't his own government leave boobytraps for him in the station because they knew he was so cowardly/untrustworthy?
>>222323149It is conceivable that this individual was exposed to some kind of chroniton anomaly that has altered their dietary requirements
>>222319742I've never watched Enterprise and stopped at VOY. The setting isn't really that interesting to me. But knowing there's a T'pol pon'farr episode is making me reconsider.
>>222322096martok is a coward who literally refused to fight gowron. he is the absolute worst choice.
>>222323364"Coward" by Klingon standards just means someone who looks before he jumps.
>>222316559Thats cause they are jews and no one is willing to build anything before the Cardassians showed up.
>>222316974In addition the cast were as annoyed by him as the characters are. It was a perfect performance. Go look at interviews since and they still react to him the same way.
>Guest Starring>Jeffrey Combs
>>222317883>>222317837This. Jake gave us some good frames though. He paired well with Nog.
>>222323358>The setting isn't really that interesting to me.The show couldn't shake the homogenized Bermantrek vibe, which worked fine for the TNG era but seemed like a poor fit for the 22nd century. You could tell as soon as they announced that the hero ship was going to be an upside-down Akira.
>>222323631i haven't heard literally a single person ever say a mean word about him except Behr who seems to have a personal grudge and goes out of his way to perpetuate the idea that he was somehow problematic even though there's no evidence for it at all.
>>222323658In the Cards is one of my favorite episodes.
>>222323837it's one of the absolute comfiest coziest 'sodes of all time
>>222323969And yet Bashir still manages to be creepy>Rest of the cast: I'll help you guys if you help me with these mundane, yet time consuming tasks >Bashir: you need to break into my ex girlfriend's place while she's sleeping and steal something off her bed that she will be sleeping in
>>222323657BASED
>>222323219No, that was standard procedure because Cardassians are centralized totalitarians.>>222324512>>222323657
>>222323473martok was a full blown coward. he refused to fight multiple times. the only reason he wasnt killed is because he had that faggot worf for first officer
>>222315728Someone post all the Dukat songs, they're pure kino.
>>222325836Fuck off tranny, get back in your containment thread.
>>222325877Obsessed
>>222325877Uh oh, is there some lore about the songs that I should be aware of?I listen to them while I mow my yard and sing along too.
>>222326070the lore is that awesome anons who create amazing OC that everyone love always attract shizos detractors who are obsessed with them
>>222316730I'm at a loss for words.
>>222325836https://mega.nz/file/k7h0yLjC#DCIp7arWdBtqTbGbWd0-4HjQsQD2W8Bo9mCIwNNb4PY
>>222326519Feels good
>>222315728>Launched a military occupation to give himself an excuse to indulge his Bajoran woman fetish
>>222326891>Ingonyaaaaaaaama
>>222321878No he's not. That's a different character.
One of the weird things about DS9, is if Dukat really was basically space Hitler, how in fuck was he allowed to just walk about DS9 and Bajorans didn't murder and lynch him immediately?Another is out of all the people on Bajor he happens to fuck and have a relationship with, is Kira's mother. >>222316503I literally ran the numbers years ago and found Bajor under Cardassia literally had a lower death rate than modern day Germany lol. I guess the situation is slightly more like Post soviet countries like the Balts, who were largely actually treated pretty well but are still supremely butthurt to this day.>>222319414Trek in general has super fucking inconsistent worldbuilding, funnily enough, worldbuilding is one of the things Trek is weakest at. For example, in TNG, Most of Starfleet is made up of literally like 50 ships, less than one ship per core founding world. In DS9 it's a few thousand. But when I ran the numbers I figured out that Starfleet, if based on even the smallest real world navies of a modern nation for it's population, would have around 3-10 million ships based on a 300 crew complement average.Klingons are super inconsistent as well, one thing, it's a giant space empire, so why in hell do you never see any other species from the Klingon Empire? Also how in fuck are the Klingons not worse morally in every single way than the Romulans or Cardassians? Their entire culture revolves around basically murder and BPD tier blood feuds. Also lets be real, how in actual fuck does a species that revolves around hand to hand combat make any sense in the Trek Universe? On the topic of hand to hand as well, we are supposed to think the Jem'Hadar are super badass, but they regularly are beaten to death in hand to hand by regular starfleet officers, including Dax and Kira. Also another huge issue is how ship combat is shown compared to what they actually state, but there is already an entire video covering that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOpwuHFs4fc
>>222326070The trek general was destroyed by a spamming samefagging tranny who would spam its shitty songs and then congratulate itself on how great its songs were.
>>222327707you sound salty
>>222327223>how in fuck was he allowed to just walk about DS9This has bothered me as well. You'd think there'd be at least a dozen assassination attempts per week.
>>222327223>>222327794Bajoran pussies respecting federation law on the station
>>222327783So what's the general now? You and the other freak nursing it along for two days?
>>222316730Are you kidding? One of Morn's quotes was later reused on Rick and Morty.__________ *burp* __________
>>222327840go on
Just finished DS9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUo7kr7Em6c
>>222318275Troi and Beverly had a fantastic workout scene.
if gul dukat was a boiled shrimp would sisko eat him like the dear old friend he truly is?
the only thing worse than nutrekfags are stationfags
>>222329708i bet whatever he did was hilarious
>>222329681Sisko to Dukat:"Peppa..."
>>222329681Yes. He'd be in a Jumba Laya HAHA. Rememba how Crawdad cooked that Jumba Laya and he forget to add that Onion? HAHA
>>222330536Sisko put his own tomatoes in jambalaya. It's canon!
>>222329708>implying you're not a nutrek divide and conquer faggot kicking up console war tier shit like the newfag you are
>>222330925Based crime committer
>>222316559>Attention all Bajoran motorist’s, I’m commandeering your Ford Festiva’s for the good of the Union!
Bajorans were originally supposed to have a "rich culture" while Cardassians were to be bland authoritarian reptiles, but by the final seasons viewers were tired of the Bajoran victim complex and their literal what weirdo religion whereas Garak, Damar and Dukat had added so much depth to their culture they stole every scene even when the supposed "main character" Kira Nerys was in the room with her stronk womyn routine. The brutality of their world only made them Shakespearean.>heckin' misogyny!Women can be kino authority figures when written correctly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWfSvBGtYYIKira Nerys was failed writing. She might be compared to Sisko, also a goody yet not boring. Instead of morally chastising an enemy who clearly never cared about morals to begin with, he mocks the facade of morality and does that thing where he makes a threat veiled in Federation formality. He only ever yielded under extreme pressure, like the trolley problem one dead Romulan and one dead AI porn creator to prevent the Romulans siding with the Dominion.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRzks4V-gT4
>>222319148The Unholy Trinity of Trekino
>>222319148>Female Changeling was shitGARAK: Excuse me, madam. May I have a moment of your time?FOUNDER: You are Cardassian.GARAK: That's right. And on behalf of my people, I'd like to learn if there were any survivors after our attack on your homeland.FOUNDER: Cardassian survivors?GARAK: Yes.FOUNDER: There were no Cardassian survivors.GARAK: You mean, they're all dead?FOUNDER: They're dead. You're dead, Cardassia is dead. Your people were doomed the moment they attacked us. I believe that answers your question.GARAK: It was a pleasure meeting you.
>>222331977For some reason I can't stand Kira arcs, worst boring part of the show. Probably because Nana Visitor has this strange broadway theater arrogance when she acts. Can't help thinking how much better the show would have been with Michelle Forbes as the role was written for her.
>>222315728he's a cool dude
>>222332560Neelix really did know everyone.
>>222321551And they sterilize the moon putting the power plant on it. Then they're bitching about crop failures and famines on Bajor in other episodes while forgetting that Brian Keith was growing food on the moon they killed.
>>222333406How much food was he growing, enough for like 12 people? Meanwhile a moony power plant can power at least a dozen replicators.
>>222328154Finished it myself about a week ago. Great fuckin series. F to Ferengar as we know it, Quark is based for keeping his culture alive.
>>222333500He was only growing enough food for 12 people because there was only 12 people on the moon. They could have stuck those rude and entitled wart face aliens on the moon and really started seriously farming it.
>>222333592>Winn was a power tripping retardgo figure
>>222333632Winn was just another vedik who hadn't even appeared on the show when the episode took place.
Why can't other shows do side characters as well?
>>222334263Lack of good writing plus a lack of character actors willing to spend their career playing second fiddle.
>>222334263it's because ds9 was a stationary show with established sets essentially making every episode a bottle episode, even moreso than your standard tng or voy epi. If you pay attention you'll notice that almost every scene of a ds9 side character takes place on the station.
>>222335872Except for all the times Gul Dukat was playing pirates in the bird of prey and when he got species reassignment surgery and was on Bajor for awhile. And all the dominion scenes with weyoun and damar. And weyoun planetside with the jem'hadar. And Kai Winn fucking with Kira at the monastery on Bajor. And nog traveling back in time to 1949 earth. And the ferengi going to ferenginar. And Martok, weyoun, nog and dukat appearing in 1950s New York City without makeup. And Leeta going to Risa. Other than that you're right, they were always on the station.
Gigachad Gul Dukat
>>222336006
>>222335872This makes no sense. The Enterprise and Voyager are basically traveling sets with crews. Barclay and Guinan are recurring characters, they're just not used nearly as frequently etc.And there are a few on VOY as well but you have an even bigger excuse to use side characters in that setting, other crewmen on the ship etc
>>222336006>And Martok, weyoun, nog and dukat appearing in 1950s New York City without makeup.That was a dream, and the dreamer was dreaming while he was still on the station, so..........
>>222336151If you pay attention you'll notice that almost every scene of a DS9 main character takes place on the station
>>222336171And they set up for recurring crewmen characters on Voyager in that episode where tuvok runs the shittiest maquis through remedial basic training but never followed through. Instead they added five different child actors throughout the series.
>>222336361The Borg kids don't appear until season 6.I was really surprised it was so late when I rewatched, it felt like they were on the ship longer than like a year and a half.
>>222316809There's B5, and then there's Island City, which was more of a post-apoc show, but Island City never made it past the pilot.
>>222336171>>222336361Voyager should have kept Seska as a recurring member of the crew who occasionally disobeys orders for drama. If you can have a rehabilitated Borg then you can have a rehabilitated Cardassian.
>>222316974He was, and it made Ira Behr so posterior pained, that he made him into space satan. But even then, he couldn't defeat Dukat's charisma.
>>222336409Icheb and mizoti got a lot of scenes relative to how long they were on the show which just makes it more obvious how much the writers disliked the main cast.
>>222336325Wow you're starting to catch on about DS9's production and why they could have so many side characters.
>>222336465Kek
>>222327223I don't think Dukat was actually supposed to be the leader of Cardassian Bajor earlier on, he just ran DS9. They kept expanding his role because they were lazy with adding characters.
>>222315728I thought it was very kind of him to take time out of his busy schedule to personally keep all the Bajoran workers up to date on current happenings.What a guy.
>>222318275>Except for Jadzia, she fucking sucks.Don't get me started ...>design character from the ground up so you can replace them on a whim>actress sucks>don't kill her until the last minuteWTH?Passing on Trill symbiote earlier would have been planned, right? But they put that on ice and saddle us with Worf getting the gays for a serial tranny?I liked Jadzia in concept, and Terry looked great, but she annoyed me so much with her bad delivery - especially when it came to technobabble - I jumped up and cheered when that bitch finally died. I loved Ezri, but Nicole and the audience got gyped by her having such a short run and having to deal with the fallout from the Worf bullshit.
How exactly would DS9 and a bunch of shuttles be able to enforce worm hole traffic in the early seasons? They don't pose a threat to any capital ships.
>>222327223Dukat smashed so much Bajussy that Kira's mom being one of them is less surprising, still weird it never came up until he drunk dialled Kira thoughAnd most of the aliens on Rura Penthe were probably from vassal worlds of the Klingon Empire>>222337768Yeah, I think Emissary has him as not in command of Terok Nor until many years after this episode had him as the Prefect of Bajor. I guess the way to rationalise it is even though he lived on the station, running it was delegated to someone else until he took direct control long after?
>>222338071They also had several episodes where they kept teasing Jadzia leaving the show and it never happened and the entire plot of the episode felt pointless afterwards. Sadists.
>All this love for Dukat and none for WinnHe's great and all but this cunt is hateable on nuclear levels.
>>222338711i like her. because i hate kira
>>222338711Louise Fletcher was really good at playing easy-to-hate characters
How can you hate Kira? Fucking banging body, come on.
>>222338711Let the prophets guide your heart my child.
>>222318275Don't you talk shit about my boy Geordie.
>>222340622So what's your favorite Geordie episode?
>>222340584If you like her yelling OH PROPHETS all night long, yeah.
>>222340584Kira's butt was very prominently featured in S2 for some reason.On that topic, I didn't like the more glammed up way they styled her in the later seasons; she should have kept her tomboyish early season look.
>>222338711Dukat's character archetype is that of the magnificent bastard. He's clearly a bad guy and antagonist, but he has such style and charisma that you can't help but like him. Winn is just a bitter and passive aggressive cunt
>>222340655Is her uniform a onesie with a jacket over it or is that white part her underwear?
>>222340653I always thought it kinda strange that the bajorans had been worshipping the prophets for 30,000 years but didn't have individual names for any of them, they just called them the prophets. You'd think in all that time they'd start giving names and attributes to them like St Anthony being the patron saint of lost items, there'd be a named prophet that you'd pray to specifically to help you find your earring.
>>222340789Typical sci-fi writer silliness. Think up a cool concept for a religion then make the execution as ludicrously simplistic and one-note as possible. And naturally a whole planet just gets one, unless it's Earth.
>>222340634There aren't much, but i like Booby Trap, when he falls in love with a hologram. I like Geordi because he's the only one of the main crew that isn't an asshole to people like Barkley. He seems like a genuinely nice person and not condescending like some of the others.
>>222340840Something I can relate to is how Geordi is a loveshy dork compared to the rest of the bridge crew, but then when a bona fide sperg like Barclay shows up he has to feign social competence.
>>222340840Geordie is an excellent manager. Being an asshole to your subordinates is usually counterproductive. His patience with Barkley pays off and he gets a lot of good work out of a guy everyone else was dismissive of. He listens to Reg even when Reg is spazzing out. And I liked the episode where he was turning into some night creature.
>>222340840>I don't know why the replicator isn't making epi pens, Anon. That sure is weird.
>>222340737Just pants that go really high.
>>222340935>Commander Riker, I get the strangest impression that you don't like me
>>222340817>Unless It's earthEventually we'll all be one religion. The science religion :)
>>222341060One thing I dislike about all of Star trek is that they completely remove major religions as a part of people's culture while at the same time they fetishize native American spirituality. Like do you expect me to believe that a few centuries from now people like Chakotay, or those natives that Picard interacted with will completely abandon Christianity and join native American neo-paganism. Can I get at least a scene where people give each other Christmas presents.
>>222318275Ezri was cute.
>>222341190It was the 90s, everyone fetishized Injuns, especially after Dances with Wolves.
Living on a space station sounds like a nightmare, especially as a civilian.
>>222341060>>222341246American Indians were a particular fixation of Gene's, together with the Wild West (e.g. him pitching Trek as "Wagon Train to the Stars").
>>222341190There are still jews in star trek
>>222341430You're thinking of Babylon 5, the rabbi from Babylon 5 also played worf's human stepfather.
>>222341490>The rabbi from Babylon 5Yea glad i never watched that sh*t -_-
>>222341660Most of the fanbase is actually the writer of the show who has been shamelessly samefagging his garbage since Usenet.
>ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS, TELL ME ABOUT YOUR SEXUAL ORGANS
>>222321473Worf is your typical 2nd generation immigrant. Doesn't fit in with the culture he's grown up in, because he doesn't look like them and is always seen as an outsider. Doesn't fit in with his "native" culture because he has a skewed and unrealistic idealized version of it. He's like those asian kids in California who LARP about how Japanese/Chinese/whatever they are when they would be absolutely hated over there.
>>222315728>I'm watching Star Trek Deep Space 9 for the first timeI think you're lying. I don't like dukautists.
>>222315728He's the hero of the series, Sisko is the terrorist villain.
>>222342246keyword is that he's like a kid because he NEVER gets a clue and grows out of that foolishness
>>222342325>FIFTEEN GORILLIAN BAJORANSOver the course of 50 years, on a planet of 3.8 billion. That means expected deaths per year from natural causes, accidents, and basic bajoran murder are 1% of total population, or>38 millionwhile the average alleged deaths due to Cardassian occupation are>300 thousandThat's less than an additional 1% of expected mortality each year. That's a rounding error.When Cardassia left, Bajor's murder rate actually INCREASED.
>>222316809Sci-fi used to be a vehicle for storytelling that reflects on humanity, you coule take a mundane setting, move it to space and still have relatable stories.Nowadays it feels like 80% of all media is about an evil dude that wants to conquer or kill everyone and then the protagonists have to stop him with 15 action scenes in a row.Ironically, these stakeless action scenes end up dull and pointless but for whatever reason modern audiences eat them up.
>>222342246>>222342526He's a weeaboo for his species' culture that he never knew, just like Keiko. She probably doesn't even speak Japanese, but she has to have a fucking retarded Nipponese ceremony.
>>222336465Man the writers really did him dirty half of season 9is just garbage
>>222318111Agreed but TNG is better on average imo because DS9's lows are really really low while TNG's lows are usually just TOS scripts that didn't translate well.
>>222315728He did nothing wrong
>>222336465This is the Judge Dredd effect. The writers write a character to be hated, but the fans unironically love the character, so the writers take the character's "bad" traits and amplify them, which only causes the audience to love the character even more, which causes the writer to amplify their "bad" traits....Writers are fucking retards. That's all I really had to say.
>>222318152Especially when comparing old trek to nu trek you can totally see how having professional dudes just doing their job without trying too hard to be cool or funny can be much more enjoyable to watch.
>>222336452That shit got so soap opera with "I'm having your child" but WAIT, it turns out it is NOT his child!
What episodes do you skip?I skip that one where all characters fall in love with eachother because of some empat shenanigans (too fucking cringe I can't stand it) and also mirror world one because of the interracial kiss
>>222342814The "bad" traits in this case being genocide, slavery and megalomania.
>>222342610Has anyone made an edit of the Chinaman from "empire of dust" discussing with the black guy about colonialism but instead it's a federation officer talking to a bajoran?
>>222342958but enough about ben sisko
DUKAT IS MY FAVORITE CHARACTER BECAUSE HE'S HITLER
>>222340584The guy who plapped her mid-series apparently thought so
>>222334263>>222335672>>222335872The old trek always had better acting then anything you can expect now. Its all the character actors. We need to go back.
>>222318918Sisko destroyed an entire planet because someone made fun of his dead wife.
>>222318111I mean, ds 9 had literal gods throwing energy balls at eachother like some lame dbz clone. The peaks of TNG were way higher.
>>222327223Klingons are allowed to murder willy nilly on all the worlds they conquer?Hmmm, reminds me of some mostly peaceful protests. Remember, kids: the less human you are, the more crimes you're allowed to commit.
>>222319627I thought the writers being giant kike faggots was why the writers felt the need to ruin Dukat.
>>222333406Maybe the moon being dead is just a convenient excuse for Bajoran politicians to shift the blame from their nefarious industrial activities onto the Cardis yet again.I wouldn't put anything past these wrinkle-nosed freaks.
>>222316716Is Bajor a walkable planet?
>>222319370Twee tetten.Tet. Tetteren.Boingo boingo.
>>222327223>Don't make me rue the day I raped your mother.
>>222319345Maybe it's just sci-fi writers not having any sense of scale. A brutal military occupation of an entire planet in which people were forced to work in concentration camps in appaling conditions, often worked to death would result in a lot more deaths. Just look at how many people we can kill in just a few short years with forced labour, didn't Pol Pot kill like a quarter of Cambodia?
>>222315728He's probably one of tv's most memorable villains. It gets even better. Just wait until the episode where he and Sisko get stranded on a barren planet together and the actor really outdoes himself. Both actors really. In general some of the best dramatic acting has been on Star Treks. The space opera setting really lends itself to gravitas.
>>222316974That's perfect. Every evil motherfucker irl thought he was the hero.
>>222318918>the edginess of DS9 is wildly overstatedThey introduced Section 31, completely undermining Roddenberry's utopian vision by implying that the Federation couldn't exist without it.
>>222318879>They might as well just watch Battlestar Galactica. The creator of the edgy reimagined Battlestar Galactica, Ron D. Moore, was a long time writer and director for Star Trek.
my favorite thing about kira episodes is how she is always exposed as ignorant and intolerant and she never learns her lesson.
>>222342814>Writers are fucking retards. That's all I really had to say.They don't understand that "liking" a character doesn't mean we agree with the character. Villains should be memorable and challenging, not simple straw man pushovers.
>>222337768>They kept expanding his role because they were lazy with adding characters.Or maybe the actor was just that good at being bad they kept promoting him
>>222343282As a half Jew, I extend a k-word pass to all sentient beings in reference to Ira Steven Behr.
>>222344971fuck off, jewboy
>>222343077>77We must secure the existence of our empire and a future for bajoran whores. Good Gul.
>>222344097That's my biggest problem with it, which is exacerbated by the fact that the Federation would have lost the Dominion War and likely destroyed if >Section 31 hadn't developed a genocide virusand>Sisko hadn't become a war criminal multiple times and gotten away itBasically the message of DS9 is that the Federation is idealistic crap and can't exist without breaking all of its ideals.
>>222345098t. non pass haver
>>222345186>the Federation is idealistic crap and can't exist without breaking all of its ideals.yeah that shit was all Behr's idea and he really thought he was a genius for that midwit>WUT IF SUPERMAN WAS AKSHUALLY EVIL?shit
Alt timeline>the federation loses the dominion war and its remnants are scattered into isolated sects around the sectors>during this time voyager is lost in the delta quad and cut off completely from the federation, not knowing at first that the war was lost>as voyager travels back towards former federation space they accumulate more and more allies and deal key blows to borg and dominion power eventually leading a resurrection of the federation with new allies from the dealt quad>finale takes place at the ds9 wormhole where cast from tng, ds9 and voy all join forces in a massive operation to drive the dominion back for goodLike a mix of Voyager + Andromeda
>>222345332The wonders Trek could have accomplished if it were constructed as a grand story and not the collection of semi-coherent TV episodes that reality demanded. I also think not connecting V'Ger to the Borg (like Shatner did in his goofy books) is a massive failure in grand storytelling terms, although I'm aware of the nitpicky canonbro reasons for why it wouldn't work.
bajor has no right to exist. total bajoran death
>ATTENTION /TV/AJORAN POSTERS>I fucked Kira's mom>That is all
SNW Uhura is fucking HOT honestly, I want to suck chocolate milk out of her fat negro tits while she strokes my hair and gives me gentle encouragement
>>222318111>>222318152This and you can thank Roddenberry for TNG being so bland and "safe" at times.
>>222345964She has nice tits but the face of Carlton from Fresh Prince of Bel Airfar inferior to the original
>>222338711At first I hated her as well but at some point I realized she's just acting her part very, very well.
>>222315728dukat did nothing wrong
>>222318111As a TNG watcher I thought the few episodes of season 1 they would show on tv were boring AF, sitcom on a space station, next.Someone bought me the dvd box and man I was so wrong
>>222319370they're implants lol. wonky nipples
>it's a Quark episode>it's a Garak episode>it's a Dukat episode
>>222342246The difference is that Worf lived by a honor code. Most asian kids in California have no honor.I liked Worf because if you took a human kid, dropped him off as an orphan on a alien world, and gave the Bible as his only connection to humanity, he would basically be similar to Worf when he made it to Earth. Humans living on Earth would seem degenerate in comparison, much like how a lot of Klingons appear degenerate when compared to Worf.
>>222346345
>>222346359why did the federation steal a klingon orphan instead of returning him to the house of mogh which was still very much active? keep in mind a 5 year old klingon is like a human teenager so worf would know dozens of relatives he should live with.
>>222327840This. I 99.99% lurk but I’d rather have the namefags, samefags and trannies from years ago over whatever this is now. $2 a day jeets spamming lower decks and whatnot.
>>222315728Don't worry, the writers caught on to how fun he was and got shitter-shattered enough about it to ruin him by making him cartoonishly retarded and evil later. Enjoy!
Avery Brooks seems like hes a really uppity one to work with IF you know what I mean
>>222346983>stealRescuers at Khitomer found him and there was no way to trace his lineage at the time since diplomatic relations weren't exactly optimal.
>>222348011it was 50 years after the khitomer accords and worf already knew his lineage. it was a kidnapping.
>>222324512>>222325747The dude must have been half the fucking day in make up preparation if he's playing both characters in one episode.
>>222348434The scenes aren't filmed in one day or in order
>>222348453True but I think it was like 8 hours for the Ferengi make up and Weyoun couldn't have been much easier.
>>222348492>Weyoun couldn't have been much easier.his face is totally open of course it was easier. it's just ears and hair
>>222336465kekThat's her son isn't it?
>>222338711It's worth it dealing with her bullshit just to see her reaction when she realised she was getting fucked by Dukat.
>>222340912He was being a needless, plot enforced, asshole to Scotty when he appeared. A properly written Geordie would've loved talking to the guy and would've shown him respect no matter how annoyed he was.
>>222346345>it's a Quark episodeoh god no>it's a Garak episodeoh god no>it's a Dukat episodeoh god yes
>>222348893I don't think Geordi would get along with Scotty that well but what was ooc for the situation was that Geordi snapped when usually he would have just found something to distract Scotty in order to get him off his back so he could work. I think O'Brien and Scotty would have genuinely gotten along.
>>222349439Scotty was old and fat so he probably smelled terrible. Add that to the inherently obnoxious personality of a Scot in a confined space and Geordie's reaction becomes more understandable.
>>222349439They wouldn't be friends but Geordie would bust a nut at the wealth of unique engineering autism Scotty holds in his brain. He would use every opportunity to satisfy his curiosity and show respect to a engineering legend who served in the same position Geordie does.
>>222350277Geordie was just being a bitch because he had a job to do and Scotty was constantly getting in the way with obsolete knowledge.Geordie would act like you are describing with Scotty if they were just hanging out off duty.
>>222350581True and Scotty would also know not to get in the way when there's an actual emergency. The whole conflict was pretty forced.
>>222344097It's almost as if everyone being perfect and never having any conflict makes for boring stories and sterile, unrealistic narratives
>>222351077yes, it does require talent to navigate the rules.
>>222351093It also requires talent to know the proper way to break them. No government exists without some form of intelligence gathering, the Federation shouldn't be expected to be any different.
I like the way the Nagus says QUARRRRRK!
>>222342610No one can refute this.
good thread
What did we think of Event Horizon Trek this week?
>>222346345>it's a Damar episode>it's a Weyoun episode>it's a Brunt episode
>>222315728Federation were evil
Dukat was well written and brilliantly acted right until the very end of the show. I feel they took too much on too much space war and as it was falling apart a bit at the end and climaxing you became almost sick of the federation characters in the sixth/seven seasons, but Dukat always had his moments still.
>>222351207>No government exists without some form of intelligence gatheringSection 31 was far from an "intelligence gathering" agency. And frankly, Star Trek is a fantasy; you don't need to go out of your way to explain everything about every detail to the point you're undermining your own narrative.
I really like the way he always says Bajor like>bEiJåÅåRR
If the Federation hadn't interfered, DS9 would have been retaken by Cardassia, nobody would have provoked the Dominion, and basically everyone in the alpha quadrant would still be left alive.I blame the prophets for this, they clearly manipulated Sisko into doing all of this.
>>222353968they even raped his father
>Ira Steven Behr commented, "'Indiscretion' I enjoyed. It was well directed, nice location. I thought the relationship between Kira and Dukat was interesting. Those two actors worked very well together". Behr also pointed out that he felt that, in relation to Dukat's character, the episode "ran a certain risk that I think we're going to resolve in the fifth season. There's one thing between showing, as Renoir said, that every man has his reason and taking a guy who's basically not the nicest guy in the world and making him a little too accessible. I think we have to find, not the villain, though maybe that as well, but the man who is willing to go places that some of us might not be willing to go".
>>222355082I love that he says shit like this about the episodes that humanize Dukat and then he also says WELL THE AUDIENCE LIKED HIM TOO MUCH SO WE HAD TO MAKE HIM SPACE HITLER as if he didn't just say how much he liked those episodes, and that he undoubtedly gave them the okay when they filmed
PROMENADe
>>222353491Yeah, they just let each actor pick their own pronunciation on a vibes basis. Same thing with Quark rhyming with spark or spork.
How would have Dukat handled the Changlings dying to the virus if he was still in command?
>>222358335Name one time Dukat has ever "handled" anything
>>222358377Kira's mom
>>222358404
are there really people who dont like dukat?
>>222315728OP is a man of sensible taste, dignity and honor. Based thread. Based OP.
People who like Dukat think it's cool to murder and rape people who aren't white christians.
>>222358607the wormhole aliens raped siskos dad. was that okay? is it okay for kira to worship rape gods?
Come now, Benjamin. It's also good to murder and rape white christians as well.
Dukautist's prayer>That didn't happen>And if it did it wasn't bad>And if it was that's not a big deal>And if it is that's not his fault>And if it was he didn't mean it>And if he did they deserved it
>>222358639>is it okay for kira to worship rape gods?Let us ask mother Mary her opinion.
Based somebody make nu /ddnw/
