So basically just an amerigolem soldier coming back from Iraq after have killed 500000 kids?
>>222319573It felt like a movie written by a Christian who seriously hated Paganism. Odysseus even calls the Gods "your Gods" to his men, as if he was some kind of atheist.
>>222319573Homer's Odysseus is a war criminal, too, it's just that he didn't care, sort of like an IDF soldier.
>story is adapted to make a statement on modern themesWhoa
>>222319573Yes
>>222319573He doesn't want the world to see him. Because he doesn't think that they'd understand. When everything's made to be broken, he doesn't want you to know who he am.
>>222320164>let's adapt a multi-thousand year old story>but strip and change everything to force the story into a modern moldWhy not just craft an original story then? Oh yeah, because they're hacks that can't write anything original and need to piggyback off something more interesting to sell tickets and generate revenue.
>>222319573Still mad serb bro?
>>222319573*sigh*No retard. Homer's Odysseus actually does have regret and PTSD over his actions. He literally starts crying like a child when a bard sings the tale of the trojan horse.
>Christopher Nolan >director>Tells stories he wants to tell>world take it as gospelWhat the fuck is wrong you /tv/Bro makes movies. It's just a movie, just like anything else.It only means as much as it means to you.Literally no one cares as much about this movie than you.And you've probably never even watched it.You guys are fucking weird. I hope you know that.
>>222321604>you guys are weirdFeel to free to fuck off to twitter or rebbit then, never understood why tourists announce themselves like this
>>222320164that's not enough, the change in story must make a bigger point, so in this case, what is it? What does changing Odysseus show us?The answer is nothing. This is similar to "In The Name of the Rose" where they insert a modern man into a medieval setting to make a detective story, and in doing so, invalidate the entire story.
Agree, but I also consider this "Christopher Nolan's Odyssey" that was created to connect to modern audiences. Modern audiences don't exactly condone the sacking of cities.
>>222321486Tears of joy. He only showed regret for getting all his men killed due to his arrogance.
>>222321705A modern, accurate version of the Odyssey would be extremely unpalatable. Him fucking Circe for a year for fun, the “I’m Nobody” line, executing all the slave girls. Odysseus reads as a complete asshole to modern audiences, even though people at the time would have thought he was awesome.
>>222321705Modern audiences are also willfully ignorant of how things work. Nothing begets nothing. Nolan doesn't know what he's working with or doesn't respect it, sadly.
>>222319573You never read Homer
>>222319573Wasn't Odysseus a veteran before the Trojan War? Why would he be bothered by razing a city and raping and slaughtering its inhabitants when it's just normal war activities of that time?
>>222323492>If I've lost Owen Jones, I've lost the war.
>>222323918>when it's just normal war activities of that time?Because war is and always was fucked up. Just because it's "normal" doesn't mean it doesn't psychologically fuck you up.
>>222319661>Chuds and Paganlarpers madNolan is based.
>>222323882He misses the friends he lost and the time he spent away from Ithaca.
>>222323882So why did they do what they do to Ismarus?
hes constantly breaking down and crying in homer
>>222323918>just normal war activities of that timeThe point is that the way he did it, with the horse, wasn't normal war at all.
>>222319788>sort of like an IDF soldierShould the Orkin man feel bad about all the termite babies he eliminated?
>>222324850achilles literally disguises himself as a woman and only beats hector because of trickery
>>222324920>achilles literally disguises himself as a womanShow me the passage in Homer where that happens.
>>222319573
>>222324916They're called nymphs.
>>222324850> Achilles follows the god of war Ares and after losing his life in battle, regrets his sacrifice in Hades>Odysseus follows the goddess of wisdom, Athena, wins the war and eventually returns to Ithaca to his beloved wife and to share his wisdom with his sonYou tell me who won and how badly Nolan fucked up this story.
>>222324959>homers world
>>222324850>picThat one is especially retarded. Odysseus' cunning was a gift from Athena herself, the mary sue goddess all Greeks would glaze. Nowhere in the Iliad or Odissey it's ever seen as a flaw.>b-but muh honorubu combatYou don't win wars with only that, retard.
>>222325081>eventually returns to Ithaca"late, a broken man, all shipmates lost, alone in a stranger’s ship,” to “find a world of pain at home" (Book 9, 592)
>>222325187sounds better than achilles deal
>>222325187...But to his beloved wife Persephone and his son Telemachus. He wasn't delayed and forced to suffer because of some gay "war crime" bullshit Nolan made up. He was forced to suffer because he offended the Gods in one way or another, all along the journey.Oh wait, there's no Gods whatsoever in this movie. Even Athena is probably just a figment of his imagination. What shit.
>>222325219>achilles dealDying? you know that is every mortal's deal, including Odysseus'
>>222321403>let's adapt a multi-thousand year old story>but strip and change everything to force the story into a modern moldJust like Homer, that hack.
>>222325278>there's no Gods whatsoever in this movieYes, chud, there are.
>>222325324chuds absolutely annihilated AGAIN!
>>222325326Which God and what actor plays them?
>>222325303Odysseus doesnt die in homers work
>>222319573I don't think you guys have grasped what an adaptation is. Of course it isn't Homer's Odyssey. It literally isn't.
>we have ended Zeus's law.>we are the sea people.>we have ended the bronze age.I dont think this is a commentary on anything modern.
>>222325324I doubt anybody's even going to be talking about this movie in 3 years, let alone 3,000.
>>222325351Poseidon - played by the seaZeus - played by thunderAthena - played by Zendaya
>>222325382moving the goalposts
>>222319573The Odyssey comes from an oral tradition, hundreds of different aoidoi probably tweaked it to suit their own perspectives and agendas (or those of their patrons) before Homer's version got recorded for the ages. And Homer's telling probably tells us a lot more about late Dark Ages/early Archaic Greece than about the Mycenaean times its set in. So how's this any different?
>>222325423only homers version is canon
>>222325478Survivorship bias
>>222325423>So how's this any different?It affects me personally
>>222325382>in 3 years,In three months*
>>222325382Tbh its actually more likely than most films to still be occasionally talked about in 3000 years by virtue of the fact its an adaption of Homer. Even if all films ever made are lost media, if civilization itself survives there's a good chance the Odyssey will survive and still be studied. And it may occasionally get mentioned in passing that there was a major cinematic adaption of it in 2026. It will still have a clear reference point, unlike most movies. They might be aware that a film called Star Wars came out in 1977 and spawned a load of sequels, but know nothing else about it.
>>222325423>So how's this any different?One is a timeless masterpiece and the other is a Nolan movie.
>>222325843There are amazing movies from the 80s and 90s my now 30 year old wife had never even heard of.
>>222325843We're reaching levels of Nolanoid cope that shouldn't be possible.
>>222325977projecting hard, sweatie.....
>>222325956Getting her to watch aliens was a bit of a battle but she really liked it.>that movie was like a roller coaster!
>>222326004The only one that matters is the fake reviews.Its not a 10/10 movie. Its somewhere between a genuine good 7 and an 8.Which is still worth seeing.
>>222326004Also Tom Holland cannot act for shit. He was worse than the tranny. He was the worst part of the movie. Everyone else made an attempt.
>>222325423It's called oral TRADITION because people tried really really hard to stay faithful to the TRADITION
>>222326124lmao you know literally nothing about this
>>222326004>gets mad because his only justification for this forgettable flick being timeless is a tortured rationalization that it might come up in a cross-reference in three thousand years
>Matt DamonHe did he job>Tom HollandCannot act for shit.>Elliot PageFine but looked really weird.>Charlize TheronFine>Anne HathawayShe cant act either but at least she looks good.>Robert PattinsonCan act/10>Jon BernthalI have never watched the punisher so his performance was fine for me. I hear he is just the punisher. Cannot act?>Samantha MortonCan act>John LeguizamoDid a great job. Can act.>Himesh PatelCan act>those minor characters playing servants with british accentsSeem to be able to act but we dont see much of them.
>>222326186I was surprised by how good John Leguizamo was, I didn't know he could act
>>222326186>Lupita Nyong'oIs attractive. Not that attractive tho. Gave me a jump scare. Not on screen long enough to show is she can act or not.
>>222326186>I have never watched the punisher so his performance was fine for me. I hear he is just the punisher. Cannot act?He just plays himself in everything
>>222326222Yeah he was great. I wonder has he done some shakespearian acting and was just doing that. It worked tho.
>>222326254Good thing I only saw him in this then. He seemed like a cocky/dumb/won and is alive veteran.
>>222326157Cope and seethe, it's oral tradition for reason
>>222326124That's not how oral traditions work. Take any famous traditional British folk song, like Lord Randall or Barbara Allen. Hundreds if not thousands of recorded variations.
>>222326315Yes, recorded because at that point mechanisms for keeping oral tradition intact have already disappeared.
>>222326314good morning
>>222319661Fpbp
>>222326315Dirty old town is about every city. Not that one place in scotland.
>>222326337So what, you think those songs had precise, unchanging lyrics for the centuries they were being sung by drunken peasants from memory and then suddenly recording technology fucked that all up?
>>222326342Stop huffing neomarxism, people are tired with your anti white ideology. Why is it that white oral tradition is somehow unreliable, easily altered and twisted while (((minorities))) are regarded as rock solid?
>>222326410Yep. If (((natives))) can why couldn't our ancestors?
>>222326412You literally have no idea about Homer and bardic traditions, schizo
>>222326412The people who live in white countries have changed numerous times.
>>222326490
>>222326524Lets use the UK for example.CeltsThen RomansThen vikingsAnglo saxonsNormansNow indians and pakistanisThats a gross over simplification but it serves the example. There is no monolithic white native group in european countries.Germans came from Asia.
>>222326584This is going to make chud heads explode
>>222326524Oh and even the Jews. The Jews in Israel arnt the Jews from the old testament. Im Irish. Or I pretend to be. Im not an old Gael. I have a surname with a Norman origin. Am I an invader descended from kings? A serf who followed invading conquerors but the same ethnic group? Maybe im descended from a slave that took his masters name. I could still be entirely irish but such a thing doesnt really exist anymore. So much migration.
>>222319573so lame. As if "war causes le trauma" hasn't been done 1000 times already. Just another case of Nolan's lack of creativity/writing skill. Is there ONE example of anything done in this film that shows Nolan's anything other than a mediocre at best filmmaker? He's a good businessman though.
>>222326608Oh and their royalty are germans, from asia.
>>222326584>>222326640>There is no monolithic white native group in european countries.R1b
>>222326062>Its somewhere between a genuine good 7 and an 8.>Which is still worth seeing.o i am laffing
>>222326736>R1bGod damn feels good to be Irish.Germans, Poles, Spanish, Scandinavians, British. Not white.
>>222323882
>>222326846Yes, that's why industrial evolution started in Britain, that's why there were no great German or Swedish empires, that's why they lost both world wars
>>222324850>>222326004>>222324991
>>222321403Add shit acting of two actresses - Zendaya and Ellen Page.
>>222326736>>222326846Oof... chuddie, you just proved that Greeks aren't white and hence that Homer isn't your culture
>>222319573Crazy that a story adapted 3000 years later in a different medium isn't exactly the same. I am totally outraged by this.
>>222326895Im sorry but I subscribe to the one drop rule. Brits arnt white. Also we was Egyptian kangs.
>>222326941Ugh Homer isnt my culture. Im Irish. Also the Negress in the movie is no different than any of the other americans. Not European. Not white.
>>222323492>sopa de macaco talks about americalol
This site was garbage in 2012 but now it's so horrifically cancerously terrible it makes me want to rip my eyes out like in event horizon.
>>222326941>Greeks aren't whi..
>>222319573i always thought odysseus was dealing with trauma, he was just using his ego to ver for it while losing his mind, he went through an ego death and humbling
>chud>chud>chud>chud>chud>chud>chud
>>222327014...te
>>222323918Tbf he didn't want to join the Trojan war, he literally pretended to be insane to avoid going before they tricked him and exposed he was lying. He was forced into it, he was a giant pussy and didn't want to go.
>>222327068xitter rightoids are just like SJWs of yore though. Anyone can see it. I'd say you're worse since the orange warmongering pedophile is clearly worse, more evil person than anyone wokes ever championed. You really should commit suicide.
>>222325324Is this the new cope?
>>222327099those are the Fayum mummy portraits in Egypt, not paintings of Greeksimagine just straight up lying, knowing you are lying and getting instantly called out on it, seems like a waste of time, not sure what your game is
>>222327211They're greeks. Their greek names were literally written on the coffins. Greeks colonised Egypt, you should know since you bring it up every time someone depicts Cleopatra as black.
>>222327144You will join 41% soon. Eat shit, cucktard troon.
>>222327111Not wanting to fight a pointless war makes you a pussy bro. Remember to sign up for the orange cocksuckers crusade btw or ur le weak pussy, die for israel goy
This is the best Hollywood actress rn according to the wokes.
>>222327295according to audiences.
>>222327295who is the best hollywood actress rn according to us?
>>222327236Not him, but seriously though, why not kill yourself? Are you seriously THAT delusional that you think your existence that's 100% race spam on the internet deserves to continue. There are people who have killed themselves because a girl didn't like them or they got fired, but you're going to keep this embarrassing clown show going for decades? Why? Just kill yourself. No one will miss you.
>>222327315According to your retarded "logic":People watched Avatar, the MCU and Star Trek for Zoe Saldana.People watched Spider-Man, the Odyssey and Dune and for Zendaya.Zendaya's screentime in the Odyssey - 5 minutes, 7 minutes in Dune and 3 minutes in Homecoming.
>>222327440>Why?Your tears sustain me.
>war is le badBRAVO NOLANYou can always count in him to make the middest mid of all time.
>>222323982You can argue that there are people that are more sensitive these things, but Odysseus wouldn't have become a king if he's reluctant to engage in violence.
>>222327236The Macedonian Ptolemaic dynasty.
>>222327272Putin already signed you up to die for Gazprom stocks and Bhumtu will replace you at home when you catch drone grenade.
>>222327562delusional.that painting on the bottom left is from Herculaneum and made centuries after Cleopatra's death.
>>222323982Do you know what Odysseus did after he sacked Troy? He sacked another city. Get the fuck out with your communist horseshit.
>>222324850>>222324991>leftists>AIBut I repeat myself.
>>222319661In the end he has to submit to Poseidon to get home though
>>222327613Two schizophrenics in the thread.One schizophrenic shits up all threads with retarded AI slop. Another one is Ivan schizophrenic.
>>222327705Maybe, Ivan.
>>222319661>It felt like a movie written by a Christian who seriously hated PaganismHe doesn't seem to be too fond of religion in general, based on this exchange in a recent interview. He does make an accurate observation about the average midwit taking scientific facts as baseline truth, just as people used to with religious dogma. But he then admits that he himself is completely clueless by calling basic science "unknowable." And yet he still thinks he is above the plebs by recognizing this "fact." This isn't the first time he's outed himself as not that bright. Hell, he might even be a closet flat Earther based on this exchange. Ironically, the Greeks not long after Homer's time had begun deducing that the Earth is round via observation and geometry circa the 6th century. The Earth's circumference was calculated with 99% accuracy by 240 BC. And heliocentrism was proposed in 270 BC. Nolan's confident midwittery is extra grating to me given that what he considers "unknowable" was figured out by the same people he thinks are simpletons for their culture's religiosity.
>>222320164What's the statement? That people are assholes and mean to each other? How is that interesting and worth butchering an almost 3,000 year old piece of literature for? Period films are interesting as a window into a completely different world. If I want unoriginal statements about le evil modern soceity I can go on twitter.
>>222327781Forgot picrel interview excerpt.Link to interview transcript:>https://singjupost.com/transcript-christopher-nolan-interview-with-podcaster-zhong-shu/
>>222321486Rural third worlders don't get PTSD, retard. Their life IS the trauma, they are happy to do anything it takes to not worry about food, illness, safety. That was the entire world until 100 years ago.HOWEVERThe lotus eaters and Circe are 100% them trying to wash out the memories of war and not wanting to go back to farming 24/7
>>222327882He doesn't say the dumb statements you attributed to him though
>>222327882Fucking grim
>>222328021explain
>>222328067Aside the "unknowable stuff" which is plainly wrong, calling gods "marvel superheroes" is cringe
>>222324016having mystery meat black women replacing white women and trannies potraying white men, is le based and christpilled
>>222328163>Aside the "unknowable stuff" which is plainly wrongFor a normal person, the facts presented by science are completely opaque. I cannot conceive of how scientists arrived at the vast majority of conclusions they got, so I have to just trust them.>calling gods "marvel superheroes" is cringeHe didn't say that. The chinese woman who everyone here praises did.
>>222320164Iraq was over 20 years ago bro, it's a dated allegory
Odysseus hung all the servant girls who slept with the suitors while he was gone, he doesn't care about women and le hecking rape
>>222327916>So thunder and lightning is God speaking to them. The state of the ocean is moved by the gods. They have no other explanation for it. And so just as we accept things from science as absolute fact — the Earth is round, we travel around the sun — we can’t know these things. We take them as faith because they’re presented to us as facts. The same would be true of the theological structure that explains nature to people at that time.He literally does.
>>222328021This part is even worse.
>>222328253How do you know that the earth is round and travelling around the sun?
>>222328222That's not true, everyone can test these things out, we have tools for it. Electricity, curvature of the earth, gravity all these things can be empirically tested with some modicum of effort. >He didn't say thatBut he agreed with it
>>222328222Is she unaware of her own countries myths? Just last year her country lost their shit for that ne zah movie and they do a monkey movie it seems every 5 years
>>222328278Man, what a retard.
>>222328350He politely said "in a way"
>>222328246is there a film or tv version that has kept this in? I know they, Armand Asante and Kirk Douglas ones omit it.genuinely curious
>>222328380*monkey king
>>222328436>Armand Asante and Kirk Douglas ones omit itSo they're woke trash as well?
>>222327882>Oh, that's cool. Just like superheroes for we moderns.
>>222324850>fight bravely, not from hiding>win with a Trojan horseFucking hate Greeks
>>222328534Your CCP heroine said this, chud.
>>222321419Can't imagine living in a landlocked country. That shit is weird.
>>222328436idk about the Kirk Douglas one but Assante's Odyssey was made by Hallmark, albeit kino. They can't go too overboard with violence against w*men. But there is a scene where he "accidentally" impales a servant girl while hitting one of the suitors, and it's suggestive enough to imply that maybe the two were lovers.https://youtu.be/3_rO0--KhMQ?si=I7l0hYNcNVqxMawu
>>222319573when did we kill kids in iraq? it's a vietnam war allegory.
>>222319573No, Mohammed.
