>Disney CEO Josh D’Amaro admitted on the company’s latest earnings call that “Star Wars: The Mandalorian and Grogu” and the live-action “Moana” remake both underperformed at the box office this summer, although he maintained that both titles were not outright busts for the studio as they contributed to merchandise sales, drove people to theme parks and more.>“Even when our franchise films don’t meet our box office expectations, as with the ‘Mandalorian and Grogu’ and the live-action ‘Moana,’ our investments in these core properties fuel other parts of our company,” D’Amaro said.
>>222322436I thought that title put Moana in the Star Wars universe
>>222322436>our investments in these core properties fuel other parts of our companythe part of the company that is jew accountants and lawyers that magically poof failure into tax breaks and bailouts
>>222322436>Star Wars: The Mandalorian and Grogu and MoanaThese crossovers are getting crazy
>>222322436>our investments in these core properties fuel other parts of our companyWhy are boards putting these fucking bean counters in charge of companies? How insanely short sighted do you have to be to just crash an iconic American business to maximize some numbers in a spreadsheet for a couple years knowing that they wheels are falling off
>>222322815>Star Wars: The Mandalorian and Grogu and Moana & Knuckles
>>222322436>people won’t pay to see the movie>but people will pay to buy merch and visit theme parks for the movie they didn’t seeMakes sense
>>222322813>the part of the company that is jew accountants and lawyers that magically poof failure into tax breaks and bailoutsThis lol
Why didn't you see y movie?
This thread reeks of curry
>>222322904litty
>>222322436>make a live-action remake and a Star Wars sequel with a highly-unlikeable star that no one asked for>they floppedNo shit, Batman. At least Toy Story is carrying those losses.
>>222322436>the Moobadoobian and Googoo and Moomoo
>>222322904littybros...
>>222322813SPBP
>>222322436>Star Wars publicly called a flop by its ownerCrazy how far we've come, not like they had any way of pretending otherwise
>>222322436>our investments in these core properties fuel other parts of our companyBULLSHIT spewed just to ameliorate investors. Neither film spurned people to visit the parks, there's literally no way to accurately measure that, and attendance coincided with the usual spring-summer uptick.Merchandise? Bullshit. Remember when even The Force Awakens got TWO FULL AISLES of toys, then TROS was down to a single peg of mixed figures of the newest film with older film characters shipped in the same case to stores. Star Wars is literally a ghost of itself in the toy aisles. The only one footing the bill is the Toy Manufacturers making this shit, selling it to Target, WalMart, etc, then watching it all get dumped largely unsold to discounters like Ross & Ollies.
>>222322877I know you're retarded as most here are, but the studio sells to the manufacturers and that's money in the bank for them. The manufacturers sell to the stores, the stores sell (or fail to sell) to customers. If ONLY you dimwits had the intelligence to stop and think for two seconds how any of this shit actually works.
>>222324589>Star Wars publicly called a flop by its ownerWhere did the "owner" use the word "flop"? Goddamn you retards fall for every single clickbait title dangled in front of your retarded faces.
>>222322828tbf he wasn't in charge when any of these projects were started
Mandalorian and Grogu had the wost ads and trailers I have seen in a while. To this day I have no idea what the movie is about because the trailers were extremely vague and nobody watched it so nobody can even spoil you.
>>222322828>Why are boards putting these fucking bean counters in charge of companies?Who are they supposed to put in charge of companies, you fucking mutt retard? And regardless, you'd expect the CEO to be able to break down and read off to investors what the actual bean counters report to the CEO. Holy fucking retardation, Batman! You people are fucking stupid as hell. The CEO isn't working in the accounting department, he's just reporting what they report to him you fucking stupid waste of space.
Can you just buy a business, offload all your debt on it, then let said business burn? Is that what they're talking about?
>>222322940Take a shower
>>222325227Taking what's essentially "free" to subscribers and trying to charge for it was stupid, and the average mongoloid subscriber probably thought it was an ad for the next "free" season, and the rest probably decided to just wait until it WAS "free" on their streaming rather than go out and watch more of this declining show.It doesn't surprise me in the least that a retard like Kathleen Kennedy decided to pull this retarded move, HOWEVER I believe based on what I've heard from licensees that this was a last minute grab because they sold licenses to companies like Hasbro based on the fact that SW was a "theatrical" property, not a streaming one, and that this was really a rapid move to keep them happy and from trying to renegotiate a lower licensing fee. Remember, they promised us a decades worth of movies that never materialized. Hasbro, Funko, etc are PISSED at Lucasfilm.
Star Wars is dead because the original movies were adult space operas and all the modern ones are either kiddie slop or woke trash. Andor was the exception because it went back to being for adults. If you cut half the cast from Rogue One, it would be the best modern Star Wars movie. It probably still is.
>>222322757No. the packaged Moana into the call because johnson is the target of the jews and queer mafia and saying he tanked a movie will soften the blow and they can pretend it's a particular star's fault something bombed.Disney needs a scapegoat for when something bombs and a lightning rod to draw attention towards.
I didn't even know there was a Moana live action flick lol, was the girl cute at least?
>>222322904I have an even better idea
>>222325089Getting sloppy, disney shill
>>222322436>moana floppedreally? I thought these all randomly made a billy. Maybe the rock really is box office poison
The rock just can't stop flopping
>>222322849
>>222325501>the original movies were adult space operas>likes Rogue OneLol
>>222322436Grogu would have worked as a 5th season of Mandalorian. Putting a beloved TV hero on the big screen never works.
>>222322436I'm still waiting for the Mando movie to come on my streaming thing. I'm not paying for it, but I am looking forward to seeing it eventually
>>222325848"Beloved" is stretching it.But you're partially right. They always ALWAYS fuck it up by making it into a movie version made by movie people who don't understand why the tv version works or care and the producers who are given a fat paycheck to make it bigger and siphon off more money.
>>222325501>the original movies were adult space operasAlmost got me with that one. Stay sly.
>>222325848No one cared about the Bo Katan show. Fire all of these people. Shut the studio down. Wait 25 years. Restart with Episode 4 remake.
>>222325723>I CAN'T READ THEREFORE YOU'RE A SHILL!Kys faggot.
>>222325848>Putting a beloved TV hero on the big screen never works.>neverWilliam Shatner as Captain Kirk SEVEN TIMESAdam West in Batman: The MovieMulder & Scully in 2 X-Files moviesI mean, it's been done before, the problem is you're a retarded child with such a limited world view that you want to screech NEVER like a stupid fucking retard. kys.What the FUCK is it with you stupid mutts constantly screeching demonstratably wrong things with your "never", "always", etc? Holy Fucking Stupidity!
>>222325848>Putting a beloved TV hero on the big screen never works.>never works.>neverStar Trek TNG got 4 films before they stoppedStar Trek with the original cast got 6X-Files made 2, so obviously the first one worked well enough to make another oneGo play with the train, you stupid moron
>>222322436>admittedI wasn't aware it was a secret.
>>222325375That's some serious headcannon here.
>>222322757Too bad. That would have been the only interesting thing that would have happened in the SW universe since 1983.
>>222325501"Star wars is dead" was already spouted a bit before the prequelsDon't get me wrong i fucking wish this piece of shit IP died after the 3 og films, but you're the 99th millionth rando on the internet saying that SW is dead right now
>>222326624>William Shatner as Captain Kirk SEVEN TIMESbut it only worked like 3 times>Adam West in Batman: The Movieokay that was kino>Mulder & Scully in 2 X-Files moviesnobody watched that shit
>>222327134>but it only worked like 3 timesMore than "never"And your gay definition of "worked" when they clearly made enough money 6 times prior to keep bringing him back. God you people are fucking stupid.
>>222327134>nobody watched that shit>dats why dey made a second one!Seriously. You're retarded.
>>222326624It works when the movie has something more to offer than the TV show ever could. These days special effect heavy TV shows are indistinguishable from expensive movies.Movies mess up our own personal screentime clock wie associate with each TV character. An episode has x amount of screentime for problem solving, story progression, character moments and filler. A movie works differently and subconsciously people's brains will notice this discrepancy.
>>222327134More people in the U.S. watched the first X-Files movie than Mandalorian & Grogu.The X Files: Fight the Future - 17,873,432Star Wars: The Madalorian and Grogu - 14,860,252 ticketshttps://www.the-numbers.com/market/1998/top-grossing-movieshttps://www.the-numbers.com/market/2026/top-grossing-moviesMost Trek movies sold more tickets than this, too.We're probably going to see more early release theatrical screenings for shows. It's been done before (Game of Thrones, that shitty not-X-Men Marvel show, anime, that tranny clown cartoon, live-action One Piese, etc.) and it's made money, so it seems like an easy way to exploit your dedicated fans.
>>222322436"OMG I have to buy the merch and ride the ride of baby Yoda and rubber Rock" >cos you love the movies right"I didn't see the movies"
>fuelled merchandise salesBull. Fucking. Shit.Mando fuelled nothing. It didn't even have the cultural relevance for people to shitpost about it. No one was like "hey a Grogu plushie! Obviously I would never watch the film. But paying 20 bucks for a plushie of a character that I give zero fucks about? Count me in!"And Moana is even stupider because any merchandise sales come from how popular Moana 2 was, not the remake that barely anyone was aware of. And they know this and are just trying to save face by undermining Moana 2's success
>>222325031who's the dimwit? the stores won't trust Disney anymore. Everything has a cost.
>>222322436>Star Wars: The Mandalorian and GroguWtf, how come I haven't seen any threads for this movie? Not even the low effort shill ones.
>>222325848The stats are out. Only boomers ever liked Mando. Everyone else just begrudgingly accepted that it was less shit than the other star wars media (very low bar).It wasn't selling disney+ subscriptions, let's put it like that.
>>222327684The companies all use the same shill pr people and they've been overworked this summer between shitting on Obsession and defending Supergirl and fucking He-Man.
>>222322813topkek
>>222327651>who's the dimwit?You're such a dimwit you can't even grasp that I pointed out precisely how you're a dimwit>the stores won't trust Disney anymore. Starting WHEN faggot? After the train wrecks of TLJ, TROS, Solo, WISH, countless othe Disney Trainwrecks, yet this shit is STILL in the stores and still gets bids from potential licensees. Star Wars will never fill two entire toy aisles ever again, but every single solitary flop from The Mouse has had merch at Target and WalMart. Did they skip on Mandalorian and GooGoo? Nope. They still took it after every last fucking failure of the past decade. You. Dimwit.
>>222327703>Only boomers ever liked Mando>Only boomers>DESPITE my OWN PICTURE showing GEN ALPHA streamed it the most of all SWYou're clearly not very smart. You really should kys. You can't even interpret the data in the pic you yourself chose to post.
>>222327802Kek. Beat me to it. Mando being popular with children is probably the highest praise a Star Wars series could get.
>>222322436Disney really paid a billion dollars for Star Wars only to immediately trash it with a bunch of mediocre woke slop productions for no real reason lol
>>222322828Disney is unsinkable. If you look at their coffers and all their assets, it's pretty fucking formidable. Disney-Fox is too big to fail so hard they can't recover from it.I can't even think of how they could die, really. Their portfolio is fucking huge, nothing short of a world-wide electric blackout that lasts for 10 years can hurt them.
>>222322757>Star Wars: The Mandalorian and Grogu and MoanaKek. I'd have probably watched that film.
>>222327831>for no real reason looh, my sweet, sweet goyim.....
>>222327635>No one was like "hey a Grogu plushie!Yeah, because like 1000 different ones have come out in the past 6 years and dozens of Etsy shops have come out making outfits for the little bastard.
>>222327831>Kiri HartLook into her closer. She was removed incredibly fast and incredibly quietly. Absolute Didn't Earn It hire that even those cunts went "Holy Shit what have we done?"
>>222327802Kids only watch it because it's what their boomer grandparents show them>>222327819Except this is barely relevant anymore because we know that kids don't like star wars AT ALL anymore. When only 12 people in that demographic actually watch any star wars shit, bragging that they like Mando the most isn't much of a flex.
>>222327831Disney paid $4 billion.
>>222327635>Bull. Fucking. Shit.>No one was like "hey a Grogu plushie!Yet another retard weighs in. Disney didn't make the plushies, the sold the license to someone to make the plushies. Then that licensee sold the plushies to WalMart & Target and made their fucking money. The ONLY ones who cared if someone wanted a GooGoo plushie are.....Target & WalMart! they're the ones left holding the bag.Oh, and...YOU don't care. Okay kid. I don't care either. But there are an entire generation of kids who potentially d oand don't own one yet. Just like Bluey merchandise. It's not about you, you fucking moron. Congrats, you've hopefull grown too old to buy a Tickle Me Elmo doll, but you're too retarded to grasp that there are babies coming up behind you that haven't had one yet.This entire board is full of the dumbest fucking retards whose every observation can't get past their own moronic filter that the world doesn't revolve around you, and you obviously don't know how the world works. You're an entire generation of absolute retards.
>>222327874>>222327930>>222327972Pure arrogance. Star Wars was already a tired franchise by 2015 anyway, but they honestly thought that they could just use DEI production teams to make cheap fan fiction, fill it with a bunch of woke propaganda, and the fans would eat it up. Also one thing I noticed is that in Disneywars, almost all the weird looking aliens have normal human standard American accent english voices. I KNOW this was a deliberate political choice to stop "othering" the aliens and its also funny to consider this recent meme of referring to foreigners as "star wars names"
>>222327949>Kids only watch it because it's what their boomer grandparents show themCITATION NEEDED, and what does that have to do with the fact that babies watch it means that it isn't ONLY boomers who do? You're fucking stupid and grasping at straws because you outed yourself as a terminal retard. kek.
>>222327949And yet, Mando was FAR more watched than Andor or any other Disney Plus show when they actually aired, so someone was clearly watching it. 2026 is probably people learning Andor exists and trying it for the first time.
>>222328111Why the fuck are you tagging me with your bot posting retardation that has nothing to do with what I fucking posted? kys.
>>222322436>admitted to their stated and well documented business model that has worked for decades
>>222328082>retard who's learnt just enough to think he's smart without actually knowing anythingMerchandise deals like plushies are very rarely one-and-done deals. It's almost always royalties. The companies pay disney something like 15% of their total sales. But disney don't just get millions for free you fucking dumbass.Sometimes, with high-value products, there will be a minimum guarantee where the manufacturer pays disney an upfront amount. But considering how bad star wars merch has been selling, this will be pennies at this point.Read a fucking book before you go spouting your idiotic dribble.
>>222327703Kind of embarrassing kids are watching baby Yoda over the actual Star Wars shit made specifically for them. There was that kids live-action show with the elephant alien and the toddler cartoon starring a black boy.
>>222328138>Mando was FAR more watchedIsn't Mando like 20 minutes per episode? I can imagine a zoomer/alpha looking at Andor's runtime and rolling their eyes.
>>222325557>the packaged Moana into the call because johnson is the target of the jews and queer mafiaok Im intrigued, what is this about.
>>222327271>And your gay definition of "worked" when they clearly made enough money 6 times prior to keep bringing him back.NTA, but even adjusted for inflation, not a single one of those movies made as much as Mandalorian and Grogu. Their saving grace is that budgets were a lot lower back then. In the tens of millions rather than 100 million+.
>>222325244so if I wouldn't metric, are they measuring that? I can maybe see merchandise as a miserable metric, but are they handing out questionnaires at Disney world asking if they came because of the Moana movie? It is summer after all that's when most families go to Disney.
I forgot the Moanna movie was out already. Nobody talks about it.
>>222328337Episode length varies, but they average around 30-40 minutes. I think it's more the subject matter, no jedi, sith, mandalorians, etc. that would put the younger crowd off Andor.
>>222328455this movie have been bombing so they want to push his asking price down. Who could have known that playing himself in every movie would get old after over a decade
>>222328298Nigger, I'm not typing out a dissertation on the entire intricacies of licensing deals just because you think you can insult me because I'm not.>It's almost always royalties. The companies pay disney something like 15% of their total sales.Except, you're wrong, and it's never JUST royalties with Disney, you'd have to find a much smaller brand, you fucking neckbeard. You can literally go and look up what Hasbro paid for the license, it's fucking public. They pay royalties ON TOP of a set fee. Disney didn't lose anything except extra royalties like gravy on top of an already paid for deal. Fuck off you don't know shit.
>>222328513Besides Star trek V Adjusted for inflation the original series movies made between 200 and 370 million domestically according to the box office website the numbers
>>222326275>Episode 4 remakedie
>>222328612Yeah, you're probably right but are the younger crowds even interested in all that? They seem to have way larger library of media fit to their demo to consume than gen x/y.
>>222328863they already did that. It was called the force awakens and it's sucked
>>222328513>NTA, but even adjusted for inflation, not a single one of those movies made as much as Mandalorian and Grogu.1979 Star Trek the Motion Picture: 139 MillionAdjusted for inflation = 639,384,683.20 Mando & GooGoo = 345 milWhy do you have to LIE so fucking badly? And that's just the first one, I didn't even bother checking the rest. You're a filthy fucking LIAR because you didn't think I'd check.\KYS
>>222328863sorry meant to reply to >>222328513
>>222328900Mando fans are not logical
Good Lord, how much are you lying faggots going to keep digging in and moving goalposts?I remember when the collective IQ here was above room temperature.
>>222328962>Mando fans are not logicalThat's why Mando has a cooing baby named GooGoo. To appeal to their childish minds.
>>222325757Kek
>>222328808Being a big company doesn't mean that other companies will pay you lots of money for bad investments. There are several years of market data of star wars merch not selling. The license isn't worth very much anymore. Pretending that that doesn't matter because it's disney shows how immature you are.>Disney didn't lose anything except extra royalties like gravy on top of an already paid for deal.Except they also have the brand devalued EVEN FURTHER (cause the brand is already close to worthless) which hurts them hard in the long run(and that's without all the costs these brand deals cost them - designing shit, negotiating, legal consultation etc etc it fucking adds up fast)
>>222329166>Being a big company doesn't mean that other companies will pay you lots of money for bad investments.God, you're just SPIRALING downward with your pitiful attempts to sound like you know what you're talking about, while showing the world you're just pulling shit out of your ass. Just shut the fuck up already.
>>222329166Gen Alpha is probably the first generation that didn't grow up with Star Wars. Though I heard some of them like the prequels.
>enter thread>people are actually discussing whether Mandalorian and Grogu helped the IP or notwhat the fuck is wrong with you guys, it's the CEO lying out of his ass because he doesn't want to admit failure, you're talking about a company that to this day won't admit the rian johnson trilogy is never going to happen
>>222322436It was definitely unnecessary but it wasn't really that bad. Kids loved it. Anyway, I hate Disney and anti Disney shills equally.
>>222329242nta but there wasn't a refutation there. do you think companies have to pay as much to license merchandise for Power Rangers now compared to their heyday in the 90s? If a brand reputation declines, so does its income.
>>222329344What happened to the D&D trilogy? GoT had a rushed ending for nothing.
>>222328819All right, that's my bad. I saw picrelated that was posted in 2025, but it was adjusted for 2020 prices. Still, the point stands that Mando and Grogu was killed by its massive modern budget. Otherwise, it clears pretty much all the older Star Trek movies in gross.>>222328900>Adjusted for inflation = 639,384,683.20LMAO. Box office mojo has it at $307,436,259 adjusted gross for 2022, the most recent year they have for that. Did ticket prices go up more than double in the past 4 years?
>>222329405>Did ticket prices go up more than double in the past 4 years?Yes? Almost like theaters were closed for two years and then had to raise prices to cover lower attendance. Tix are $20 now, not even counting concessions.
>>222322436Why can't Disney stop sucking?They were cool untill the early 2010s
>>222329405After the motion picture, wrath of Khan was given 1/3 the budget of the original and made almost as much so that helped the series remain profitable.Funnily enough, they bragged that Mando and grogu was relatively low budget for a summer blockbuster and it still flopped.
>>222329242>thinks being a big company entitles them to more money for deals that aren't lucrativeboomer retard detected
>>222329546They thought by buying up a bunch of successful properties they could maintain their success indefinitely. They forgot what made those properties successful, they thought they could inject their bullshit into them and people would keep consuming them. They miscalculated.
>>222322757Star Wars really happened millions of years ago in another galaxy. Moana is pure fiction.
>>222322436>people go to Disneyland on vacation and buy things with the Star Wars logo on as they always do>"heh.. it's all thanks to our latest movies that totally didn't flop"I guess CEOs need to be good with cope.
>>222329405Adjusting for inflation's always kind of pointless, especially the older the movies are since things have changed so much. Not as many people would've paid today's prices to see something like Gone with the Wind for example, yet that's the highest grossing film of all time when adjusted for inflation.
>>222325227M&G are hunting down remaining Imperials for the Republic, and are tasked with bringing Jabba's son back to Jabba's cousins in Huttland in exchange for info on where to find Imperial Uncle Fester. But while doing so, they find the Imperial and bring him in, but they let Jabba Jr. go free. Jabba's cousins are pissed so they send a cartoon bounty hunter after Jabba Jr. and Mando. They torture their nephew and try to feed Mando to Whitesnake. But then Grogu and all of Babu Frick's grandparents save them, then Ellen Ripley and the President of Lucasfilm show up and commit war crimes in Huttland. Then Grogu finally gets to push the Hyperdrive button in Razorcrest 2.
>>222329546Disney's cool period was owed entirely to Eisner, who wasn't afraid to take risks.Unfortunately some of the risks he took were incredibly dumb and that's what allowed Iger to stab him in the back and take over the company by promising to be a soulless IP-acquiring ghoul
>>222328316Skeleton Crew wasn't really aimed at kids any more than any other SW movie or show. It just had kid characters. It was also one of the better things in Disneywars, and didn't require you know anything from any other show.
>>222329863Kek. Accurate though.
>>222322828>Why are boards putting these fucking bean counters in charge of companies?Because you're obligated to try and make your shareholders money this quarter, line must go up. This encourages short term profit seeing.
>>222325737I think its more that audiences have finally gotten tired of unasked for live-action remakes of classic movies, and Moana isn't even that old so a live-action remake isn't bringing anything to the table for anyone.
>>222330077Agreed. Weirdly abrupt and anticlimactic ending, though.
>>222322436Wtf i love these movies!!! The live action is so cool i hope that the nee tangled remake will be awesomes i need to get my bros to see it a few times so its successful. I love disney and marvel
>>222322436>couldve made 5 more seasons of mando but they made a flop insteadclassic disney L
>>222322904Is this guy paying from his own money in every movie he's starring?He keeps shilling for them like if his life was depending on it, he did the same thing with Black Adam
>>222330280He's a wrestler, grandiose self promotion is in his DNA.
>>222330280He has a producer credit in live action Moana.
star wars works better as TV anyway
>>222329863
>>222330280Probably negotiates big back end payments instead of upfront
>>222331219Grogu eats a scorpion though (haram).
>>222329396They ruined their reputation by fucking up GoT, and their reputation was all they had to bring to the table for Disney.
