>2026>still no movies with biblically accurate peasantsWhy is there not a single studio willing to do it? It would be a very easy way to stand out from the rest of the slop.
>>222339906It would be too "cringe".
>>222339906To demoralize you."See! The past was never good!"
>>222339906We don't need some gayass hollywood demoralization fiction when we have historically accurate youtube comfykino
I don't remember any medieval peasants in the bible
>complex and sophisticated dying industry negated by brown dirt Times were hard.
>>222339970Jucipher? Bentoas? Harichem? pleb
>implying peasants could afford dyes or not washing a few sets of clothes into frayed, threadbare oblivion
>>222339992how would you know? were you there?
>>222339961>just sits in the woods and babbles all dayman, at least make some effort to show us something, it's a visual medium
I like the late roman fashion
>>222340099Dis nigga tucking his wranglers into his ballet shoes
>>222339988Medieval times happened like a thousand years later though
>>222340099aka the germanization of trad pantless society
>>222340099>>222340174Here is a more eastern one
>>222339906Can't remember what the peasants looked like, but The Outlaw King is the only recent historical movie I can think of that had accurate medieval aesthetics and clothes.
>>222339970it's just an expression/meme phrase
>>222339906>>222339955>>222339961>>222340099>>222340304The medieval era lasted a thousand years. It featured times of peace and war, prosperity and famine, discovery and plague.
>>222339961>>222340026he's got horses and shit too right?
>>222340772There were heroes on both sides
>>222339906Roundhouse-pile drive-people's elbow-combo all colorfags. Nobody, especially peasants, looked like the fruitcake in red. We get it, colors existed. Stop inventing things to complain about.
>medieval times were actually colourful
>>222340885Looking like a fruitcake was a sign of status and red was popular among the commoners.
because you need to not be aware that we currently live in the worst time ever to be a human and that scientism has failed
>>222340099I despise how everything European after the fall of Rome looks slavic.
>>222340772And all of it was shit.
>>222341241Jews hate colors.
>>222341371And Nature.They hate anything they can't control.
>>222341371>jewsI think you will find that, as usual, it is actually women doing this
>>222340170For bibletards all of that falls under the category of the "long long agos"
>>222340772>A thousand yearsWow didn't know grandpa lived in the medieval period
>>222340099I wish we could dress like this still. Fuck it, maybe I just will.
>>222339906my dude, colors were very expensive and thus, available only for the rich. Peasants wore browns, greys and whites. You're actually being fed lies by the anti-anti-accurate history faction
>>222341371you're not really making your point by using shitty movies aas a refference
>>222340099I refuse to believe people actually wore capes in their daily lives
Reminder medieval english peasants:>washed themselves, scrubbing in water and salt daily ("nEveR tOoK bAtHs" is false context)>ate good healthy food including fish, cheese, daily fresh bread, plentiful vegetables in flavorful well-prepared stews with natural flavorings like onions, peppers, and local herbs (expensive rare silk road spices aren't a requirement for good food), and tasty pies. also probably poached the occasional bird or rabbit>knew how to cook well and didn't just boil meat until it was rubber. bad cookshops were fined, even>washed their clothes often and disinfected it>wore bright colors whenever they could get them. dark blues and blacks were seen as colors of extremely high status as they required repeated dyings.
>>222340026Holy FUCK you zoomers are garbage, how do you even live.
>>222342920>>wore bright colors whenever they could get them.So like 2 times their whole lives?
>>222341365Why? Justify your claim in your own words.
>>222342920Who & why did they push the narrative that medieval people were ass backward & dirty?
>>222342920uhmm sweaty they are called the DARK ages for a reason
>>222342966>Who & why did theysaaar
I wonder who would be invested in making European people think their rise and peak period was actually grey gloomy dirty and poor
>>222339906Dyed clothes were more expensive and couldn't be made at home.Peasants most likely wore natural colors most of the time, and maybe had some nice clothes for special occasions.You wouldn't want to get your nice clothes dirty.The wealthy would be colorful though, as a show of status.
>>222343007I have autism, Hence the weird sentence structure. Plus, fuck you I'm no shitskin!
>>222342940No, practically every day of their lives. The observation that zoomers are both ignorant AND resentful is fascinating. They're never like, "oh, I didn't know that". They're always like "THAT THING YOU LIKE IS BAD CAUSE I LEARNED IT ONLINE OR FROM PROFESSOR GOLDBERGSCHTEIN!"
>>222342966While jews, freemasons and protestards are naturally first to blame, you should keep in mind that the continental Europe used to have that very aggressive thing called Ottoman Empire at the doorstep and the good Sultan poured a lot of gold in his own propaganda campaign.
>>222342920Also, this may come as a shock to certain people, but they did not like to die in agonizing pain due to a tooth infection, so they regularly cleaned their teeth with toothpicks and a piece of cloth or sponge dipped in water/wine
>>222343108>No, practically every day of their lives.Why the fuck would peasants wear expensive dyed clothes everyday?
>>222343024this graph is related to the sales of fabrics in Bruges, you could argue that most actual farmer peasants didn't buy fabrics at the city market but there were also a lot of people who were far from being rich that would still wear colorful clothes
>>222340772Shut the fuck up, kike
>>222342879It was like wearing a coat but cheaper and easier to make, and served additional utility. A cape could also be used as a blanket (which you would need if you were going to be traveling more an a day, which was most traveling), or used to bind something up as a sack for carrying things. Some capes were purely for fashion but the reason that even peasants would wear them was because they were genuinely just useful.
>>222343193They didn't wear expensive dyed clothes. They wore inexpensively dyed clothes. Some colors were plentiful and cheap. Deep blues for example were expensive so you wouldn't see many peasants wearing those, but some reds, oranges, yellows, greens were common. It was more the case that, the deeper and vibrant the dye, the more wealthy you were, but they didn't all just wear dirty brown. Purple of course would have been avoided though for obvious reasons.
>>222342297And the reason a woman is in charge? Because if you don't hire her then jews subtract your ESG score, and also sue you for discrimination
>>222343193They wouldn't wear expensive dyed clothes everyday, they would wear expensive dyed clothes sometimes. They would wear CHEAP dyed clothes every day. Do you have any idea how easy it is to make simple dyes? You can make dye from just boiling down flowers, anon. SOME dyes needed to be imported and were thus expensive, but a lot of shit was stuff a peasant could make themselves as long as they spent an afternoon picking the right plants and had a big pot.
>>222343193Because people didn't parade everywhere in gray, shit stained workwear meant for the fields.Guests? Good clothes. Church? Good clothes. Business in the town? Good clothes. Marketplace? Good clothes. A festival with a lot of drinking and fucking? Good clothes. Only a millennial fuckwit could think that people would wear a the same rags everywhere like he does all his life with his T- shirt and jeans.
>>222343156Jews aside, it's funny to think that we still function under ancient propaganda from times long past. Propaganda which really only meant to have a relative short term effect but has long since survived its purpose as people still today believe it to be true as opposed to the real truth on the matter
>>222339955digits confirm the truth
>>222343412Dubs of truth!
>>222339906900AD Anglo Saxon Peasant vs 1500AD French Peasant
>>222339906Something tells me that colourfull clothes were for important events, like an annual fair or a wedding or church>>222343167I love VisitorsThe 1st oneSecond one leans to much into "haha stupid barbarians" jokes3rd one is a travesty
>>222343412Funny how true this is. 21th century woke leftists genuinely believe their "modern" idea of a society full of lesbians and trannies and sóyboys is better and healthier than literal thousand of years of traditional family values.
>>222340026Yeah, we need AI generated shorts that used Asian CGI news as training data
>>222343735It is, we live longer and there's lower child mortality than ever.
>>222343728which version of the movies have the good colors?
Seems like a good time to me
>>222343856The theatrical cut.
>>222343868Look at the codpiece on the fat guy, what an absolute unit
>>222340026He literally received a knighthood for jousting. He knocks schlubs like you on their asses breaking bones with a lance. You'd probably never make it up the horse thobeit. He shows off armor and horsemanship in his videos. What the hell do you even want? You're complaining about honest well-made well-informed carefully researched and grounded historical facts and storytelling from a real human in beautiful green nature that isn't AIslop söyface slop, and you're pissing yourself over it? Holy jeet. You loathe the white country to emigrated to SO much.
>>222343851>we live longeruseless>lower child mortality than ever.good but also browns are reproducing at 10 times the rate thanks to this>>222343877thanks, I only have the files for the extended version but I'll watch the theatrical next time
>>222343851>we live longerWould you call that living?
>>222343877I have a director's cut of LOTR and the colors are normal. You must have some shitty new version.
>>222343972Yes, we literally live better than kings and emperors of the past.
>>222343990>living as a filthy trannie>dying at 30 because you either necked yourself or got strangled by another aggressive pimply male in your polycule>"living"Yeah you're pretty sick.
>>222343942>good but also browns are reproducing at 10 times the rate thanks to thisGreat news for you, anon!Birth rates are falling worldwide. Even in India, the birth rate has fallen below the replacement level. In many Indian cities, birth rates are now as low as those in Western cities.Birth rates are also falling below the replacement level in many African cities.Hopefully, you’ll learn how to use the internet and educate yourself!
>>222344040>doesn't prove his own claimDismissed
>>222339906I seriously doubt that. Dye was pretty expensive back then for average peasant to wear red clothes for no reason
>>222344068If you finished school, you would know that basic facts don't need proofhttps://letmegooglethat.com/?q=worldwide+fertility+rate&l=1
>>222344095Why do you think that? Where did you learn what it is you think you know about the medieval period? Did you study it at all? Or did you just.. watch movies?
>>222343990We live like vampires imagined in the past. Nietzsche called the modern man a hybrid of a plant and ghost.
>>222339906Biblically accurate peasants:https://youtube.com/watch?v=0QDKLglEP5Y
>>222344109>doesn't actually understand anything>has no legitimate source for his beliefs>just scrapes meaningless pseudoinformation from google>thinks he's learnedHow embarrassing
>>222342850Shitty movies are more typical of what is offered and what people see than good movies are.
>>222344131some youtuber said that idk
>>222344095Central and East Europe used to mass produce and export red dyes, just saying.
>>222340026He makes Sniper Elite games so he can tell you about medieval porridge, you niggercompoop.
>>222344146DING DONG BANU
>>222339955What a fucking retarded post
>>222339906“The Dark Ages” are a 600 year old psy op by depraved degenerate “Renaissance” era homos. Almost all of the things we associate with the dark ages are actually issues that originally started with the move towards urbanism in the early modern era.
>>222342920>-ack I broke my ankle, guess it's death for me>-ack I have an infection, guess it's death for me>-ack I'm lost in the woods, guess it's death for me>-ack I couldn't get do a harvest this year for whatever thousand reasons that would be responsible, guess it's death for meYou're a fucking moron if you think average people would get their hands on fish and cheese regularly lol
>>222344261None of that is true. Holy shit, how have you weaponized ignorance to aggressively?It's astounding you're not only stupid, you angry at being stupid. What actually causes this, besides being brown?
>>222339992>affordNigger they were farmers. They grew that shit and made things themselves. It wasn’t a consumerist economy where they had to wageslave to get things from the supermarket
>>222344152>>222344277You're hilarious
>>222342821Wrong
>>222342966Because they were illiterate. Illiterate people are much harder to control with propaganda. Elites hate that. It’s why mass literacy is always their first agenda.
>>222343024Wrong
>>222344375Must be why the printing press caused an absolute fucking meltdown among the power brokers of Europe
>>222342920>washed themselves dailyMaybe their hands, face, pits, crotch and ass but a full on bathe would have been weekly or monthly.>ate fish and cheese dailyMost peasants ate vegetables, oats, and cheap bread. Fish was dependant on region and even then they were getting what was cheap>knew how to cook wellPeasants rarely could afford meat and when they did get it was cooked until well done because they knew anything not cured, cooked, or smoke could make you sick>washed and disinfected their clothesIn piss>wore bright colors whenever they could get themOnly true part
>>222344375This makes a lot of sense, If you can read, You can brainwash & indoctrinate yourself.
>>222344131It's the usual "retards being retarded", they heard that purple dye was super-expensive and than assume that every dye was like that too. Also blame the recent pleb movies and shows I guess. Old stuff was more colorful, even meme movies like Flesh and Blood.
>>222343024Dude, a nobleman would stab that guy through with a spear or sword while on horseback.
>>222344463>>washed and disinfected their clothes>In pissYou say that like it's a bad thing. You don't know much, do you?
>>222343851Plenty of homosexual men(including transwomen who are biologically men) die from HIV/AIDS, STDs, and drug addiction and they die faster than most straight people.
>I ASKED GOOGLE ABOUT WORLDWIDE FERTILITY RATES AND NOW I'M AN EXPERT
>>222344735I'm not brown so no, I don't want to clean my clothes with piss.
>>222344803>googling stuffWe ask @grok now. Get with the times, unc.
>>222340772And it's only portrayed as just the shitty part of all of those things. White liberals are literally the only political demographic with an out-group preference, and not for no reason. It's dumb shit like this that makes you hate your history which makes you hate yourself, cultural death by a thousand cuts.
>>222344463Eurolean peasants would have at least one pig that they would raise throughout the year and then slaughter the pig, cook and eat the pork, even the blood.In the Byzantine-Roman realms, peasants were also allowed to hunt rabbits and smaller game on reserved forest areas that usually belongs to Byzantjne-Roman nobles. They could not hunt larger animals since hunting was a sport that was exclusive to the upper Byzantine-Roman class who were the guys who could afford horses and armor for battle.
>>222344803Or you could watch a YouTube video where historians talk about what European peasants ate and how they sell off their pigs except one, which they spend the next following months raising until they can slaughter the pig.
>>222343851>we live longerI'd hardly call getting chucked into a retirement home living. Old people used to be a valuable resource and protected by their families.
>>222344931>watching some boring unc on youtubeDo boomers really...
>222344803what?
>>222345040Why do zoomers consider it an achievement to have fried their dopamine receptors
>>222342966I don't think there's any particular agenda behind the medieval england being portrayed as a complete shithole, I think it's just a case of people conflating victorian era with Medieval era, because we have way more first hand accounts about how absolute godawful london was during this period when capitalism had no checks and people were treated like cattle by powerful business magnates. The sky was permanent covered in thick smog in london from all the coal factories were buring, and people were genuinely dirty from all the soot.
>>222345247>watching an old boomer boring lecture fires my dopaminegayass unc 67 ahh
>>222339940Why?
>>222344931>muh historiansAnd how do they know? They can't even reliably tell you what happened 50 years ago and you think they know what happened 1000 years ago?
>>222339906Brown Christlarpers need to stop fetishizing the middle ages just because the state enforced religious dogma upon the populace.
>>222340026You are such a gigantic faggot
>>222345343NTA but I only watch grim and dark "le realistic" media full of gloom and doom for mature watchers such myself.
>>222345352Based Ridley Scott.
>>222343851>we live longer and there's lower child mortality than ever.As a result of technological advancements completely divorced from 21st century globohomo leftism.
>>222345648You joke, but it's the truth. With all the documentation we have these days, we still never really know what is happening because of selective reporting, repression of news, lies and skewed truths. We really have no way of knowing what actually happened throughout most of history.
>>222344261The poorest people in the world, to this day, get their hands on fish all the time via.. fishing.
>people 1000 years ago actually lived in prosperity not available 100 years ago because… look at their red shirts!!!!!!
>>222343851Medicine is better now
>>222345612That queer isn’t as embarrassing as a manchild pretending to be medieval
>>222339988>Jucipher? Bentoas? Harichem? plebThose are rappers
>>222344201das ritenow lease yourself a new iphone /tv/ and live free
>>222344375I refuse to think that there are people on this earth who are this dumb. You are doing a bit. Tell me you are doing a bit.
>>222341451To be fair, that one was actually mostly tastleless faggot normies' fault. In incredibly rare Ws, that trend was known amongst both interior designers and real estate agents as "the Grey Plague".It's still ultimately the fault of arty-farty poofters for pushing minimalism in the first place, but the specifically barren sterile white-grey iteration was just what happens when you let chavs design things.
>>222340772No it didn’t. To me the Middle Ages started in 1000 AD 900 at a push, anything before that was the dark ages.
>>222342920Stop trolling
>>222339906>MUH REALISMwhy do chuds need this?
>>222346243Millennial leftards pushed "muh realism" for 2 decades to remove anything cool or sexy from movies. Time to do it again, this time to reverse the trend.
>>222345721What disingenuous jewshittery. There's a vast difference between not being able to be 100% certain about every last detail or every last moment and knowing nothing at all. There's also a vast difference between not having an authoritative multiply-verified factual account and not having enough information to many any rational deductions supported by evidence whatsoever.Moreover, most of the things Retardely Scumfag was whinging about being called out on were utterly verified thoroughly evidenced fucking facts that he simply either never bothered to learn or intentionally discarded because they didn't suit the narrative of his shitty fanfiction.
>>222346303*to make any rational deductions
>>222341317We do live in the most ungrateful generation of all time
>>222342821skies were still blue and trees still green. Modern movies make it look like a muddy nuclear winter. The game Kingdom Come Deliverance has a great depiction. People dress drab but the scenery is still pretty and people don't hate their life. Look at OP the guy looks like a homeless crack addict as if washing your clothes and your face was invented in the 1950s
>>222344261yes anon bad harvests happened every year and lords ruthlessly murdered everyone who missed one single grain of wheat, that's why the feudal system endured for 1000 years
>>222344463>Peasants rarely could afford meat and when they did get it was cooked until well done because they knew anything not cured, cooked, or smoke could make you sickthose dumb peasants cooking their meat
>>222339955from breath of the wild to elden ring
>>222343412Goddamn, absolute trvke
>>222346479Eventually all leftards say or type something like this:>XYZ years ago everything was worse than today It's not a new invention. They use it since the times of Garibaldi. It was a part a standard practice in soviet countries. But that's how it works. It's their volkssturm moment. The last line of defense against a simple fact: that they are scum and everything they stand for- the status quo they feel comfortable with, the world they live in, their culture, their religion- everything is declining, worse, inferior to what was before.
>>222344463well done is underrated
>>222343412While I agree with the post, conservatives believing that kinky sex or faggotry didn't exist in the past is insane. Ancient Rome, most often their autistic normie fixation, was a hotbed of debauchery and the Medieval times were no better (read Chaucer and Boccaccio).Don't get me wrong, I hate modernity and leftists as much as anyone, but to pretend as if sexual deviancy only came into existence in the late 19th century is retarded.
>>222339906Pigment dyes were all-natural and very expensive. Some colors like royal blue were very expensive. You competed against clothiers and painters for them to keep the demand up. So peasants often wore clothes that weren't dyed in nice colors like the nobles did.
>>222344040No one cares about the birth rate dropping in their countries of origin. We care about their birth rate surpassing us in OUR countries of origin. Go back to whatever shithole you came from and reproduce over there, Abduhl... But you won't, because your government won't let you leech of the taxpayer as you continue spunking out retarded savage children.
>>222342821>my dude
>>222346781Also the lords systematically cucked every single serf. I just watched Braveheart so I'm an expert on this topic.
>>222342966People are absurdly off base about this and say its modern, recent wokeness.Its Enlightenment ideology and Protestantism. This has been going on virtually since the middle ages themselves. The Enlightenment and most of its attendant ideological currents(the currents that led to liberalism, Protestantism, modern science) had to be justified at first, to make an active case because none of this was the default yet, and as they became more established to advance a narrative and mythology to entrench and further themselves. Intrinsic to all of this was an interest in making the midevil era the negative counterexample to the modern era, to shit on the pre-modern and pre-enlightmenment to make a favourable comparison. We're talking about a tendency that goes all the way back to the 1500s. Throughout the 1500s, the 1600s, every century since, to the extent the enlightenment and its offshoots had taken hold, they defended themselves and attempted to go further with the idea that the midevil era was so so bad and aren't you lucky our ideas have come along and saved you from it.
>>222342966Because they hated jews and therefore had to have their entire history and culture "revised" by jewish academics.
>>222347198And on the religious side, to the extent Protestants in later centuries could play up how bad and corrupt midevil religion was, what they were actually doing was shitting on Catholics because that was the era before protestantism came along and started putting things right. And, it follows, the catholics that were still around were backwards and dangerous. There's been back and forth on this, cultural currents in both ways, romanticisation of the midevil period since to be sure. But any current attempt to portray the middle ages as maximally tyrannical and awful shitsville is just a continuation of a 500 plus year old tradition. Between the two I think the pro-midevil side is right in that the material culture was much nicer than these portrayals, that violence and the most egregious social abuses were not as common as a "gritty" portrayal of the era might have you believe, but that in terms of lived reality people who are very down on the middle ages are closer to correct. Subsistence farming in a social context where you have virtually no power is a living hell, quite reliably throughout history, and that's how pretty much everyone lived back then.
>>222341316Red dye is really easy to make.
>Pre-industrial workers had a shorter workweek than today'shttps://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html
>>222342920>Reminder medieval english peasants:Musn't give up on the gravy
>>222344970>Old people used to be a valuable resource and protected by their families.Yeah and now instead of spending 15 years wiping grandma and grandpa's wrinkly shitty assholes while they delusionally attempt to roll out of the bed you put in the living room (it's also the kitchen and your bedroom) you can instead afford to put them in a healthcare facility.Yeah, old people used to be taken care of by families. Guess what that means, retard? Families used to have to take care of their old people. That means you. Have you ever spent years waking up every 2 hours in the night to roll someone over so they don't get pressure injuries?
>>222346903I can’t be bothered trying to decode your chud word salad
I really hope these threads where you people fantasize about being medieval peasants and how life was so much better then are a joke or a troll that I’m to bitter and uptight to get. Like seriously, seriously seriously
>>222347357>Have you ever spent years waking up every 2 hours in the night to roll someone over so they don't get pressure injuries?Seems excessive.
>>222347198are you one of those X pope simp refugees who blame Protestantism for everything? you can't even get your conspiracy theory right, which is that Protestantism caused the enlightenment not the other way around dummy
>>222347357Families would take care of their old meaning more than one person not just you. Also gym culture and fitness will change how people age. My grandparents were demented and could hardly move from the bed to the recliner by the time they died. My parents are 70 and doing marathons and cycling up and down mountains. I'm lifting heavy, running and doing a lot of core and tendon work to stay mobile for as long as possible. Sure you can still get a stroke or something but that's what family is for.
>>222347500They want the postives the they had back then without the negtives. I mean personally id be ok with we had a work schedule 7 on 7 off, 10 or 12 hour days. thats 180ish days off a year compared to 104 days (if you get weekends off) plus the usual 2 weeks off which is really 10 business days off so 114 days compared to 180 days. Hell lets make it a full month which is then just 20 business days off so 124 days off compared to 180 days off.
>>222347034To pretend sexual debauchery and perversion was the norm and accepted in ancient cultures is just as retarded.
>>222344463>Maybe their hands, face, pits, crotch and assThat's all that really matters
>>222347591The ideological and social roots of the Enlightenment go back even to the 1400s idiot. Protestantism emerged from them but they were broader than just Protestantism.I'm not a catholic this is just essential, basic information to understanding the modern era.
>>222347500Sir this is Wendy's. We comment how jews have fucked up the depiction of Middle Ages in their movies. Reddit is down the street and left.
>>222341451both terrible
>>222347591>Protestantism caused the enlightenmentAmerican education?
>>222347761>Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews JewsI also have chronic Jew hate fatigue can’t you people discuss ‘anything’ literally anything without whinging about Jews?
>>222347591It’s funny because the Vatican was so fucking corrupt back then. Basically medieval Epstein island
NUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH!!!!!!!!!If the medieval peasants aren't represented as filthy homeless pepole then how am I supposed to feel good about jewish usury leaving us worse off than them in the 21st century!?
>>222348031>I also have chronic Jew hate fatigueIronically that's the real Jew plan.
>>222348031Found the jew
>>222347314what the hell is a “work week”? Because aside from the labour of your profession you also have to work to secure your means of existence. All day is constant chores.
Remember chuds the Middle Ages had >no video games>no porn>no anime>no tv/films>no supermarkets or fast food>the food was all dog shit because there was no spices or herbs and peasant food would be like lentil porridge with turnips >half of you would have died before the age of five>no central heating>shitty beds>intermittent famine, incurable disease, flood, war etc>you’d all be basically slaves >none of you would know anything because you can’t read and only the churches have books>no medicine>you’d work all day at backbreaking labor >church would be in a language you couldn’t understand >punishments for crime were laughably cruel and over the top >towns would smell ungodly because people just dump shit in the streets But hey at least you get to hang out with normies all day for fun? I’m sure the social rejects of 4chan would love that. Tbh most folks here, especially Asperger’s people probably be the town idiot
>>222347690What do you consider sexual debauchery, though? The difference was that the seedier side of life wasn't celebrated, hence why it was rarely documented, which has given rise to the misconception that it never happened in the first place. I agree that cultures that publicly celebrate and endorse degeneracy are worse, simply because they worship degeneracy like a god, such as the modern West's fixation on homosexuality, but regardless a peasant was still fucking his wife up the arse and Romans were still raping little boys and the aristocracy of every time period were still engaging in orgies and adultery.
>>222348258Yeah it probably would suck, I also feel it would suck even worse for someone like you.
If you truly think that this life was better go live in an Amish community. It's the closest thing you'll ever get.
>>222348258And nobody would care because that was how life was I dont know what you think this proved
>>222348296>no living conditions are bad because that’s just how it is Profound.
>>222342940Plenty of dyes were made from commonly available plants
>>222348296You know your life is better though, but you’re actively wanting a worse life in the belief that you would somehow be happier through ignorance
>>222348283That’s good as long as someone else is doing worse than you I guess you can be happy!
>>222342920erm mr goldshekelsteinberg told me it was actually the worst time ever and we should be GRATEFUL we're living in modern times, so you're wrong ok? what are you an antisemite?
>>222348258It’s quite literally just this meme. >bro, I would totally be a knight. I would be so hobbitpilled, gnomemaxxing, monkcel. >THRESH THE FUCKING BARELY
>>222348411Yeah, guess thats kinda how life works
>>222348272Stop pretending that stuff was the norm. Outliers exist. Since some romans buggered boys at specific times during its entire run doesn't mean that the entirety of the culture was about buggering boys or that it was considered normal at every time. Greece, which modern tards always point to as an ancient gay mecca, had laws at certain points to punish homosexuality. I think Athens had a law about if a gay man was caught being gay he had a live fish shoved up his ass and eas paraded around as a humiliating punishment. What you are doing (and what most retards do) is like judging the entirety of American culture and history based on a single viewing of game of thrones.
>>222342920To be fair, they only washed their hands and faces daily. Heating up enough water for a bath wasn't something they could manage every day, and bathing in streams was only bearable in warm weather. They wore linen underneath their clothing though, and they would wash that daily
>>222348452For miserable cunts it is.
>>222348494Yeah, I agree, you are a miserable cunt
Why do incels romanticize being a dark age serf when the peak of real freedom and masculine identity was American settlement? >discover untouched primordial beauty >kill injuns >plant you claim anywhere and it’s yours
>>222348504>I know you are but what am I?Grow up
>>222344463>cheap breadWhich would be expensive, artisanal bread today>Peasants rarely could afford meatMeat was seasonal. Pork was cheap. Many families would raise a pig all year on scraps and slaughter it in winter
>>222348555Checked, ya miserable cunt!
>>222348258reddit midwit, jew or troll?
>>222348568It’s over kid, I got trips in both my posts
>>222339955>The past was never good!You wouldn't make it a week in the middle ages. I lived in an isolated farmstead with no power, indoor plumbing, or sewage connection for years and I'd never go back. But at least I'd make it if I got sent back 700 years. You, on the other hand, would diarrhea yourself to death on day 2.
>>222339992>you need to be a middle class urbanite faggot to enjoy lifeGood goy
>>222348655>no counter argument >resorts to name calling Many such cases
>>222348665Cool, you got the same numbers in a row?!?!?! Shit dawg... Ya still a miserable cunt
>>222341371It really makes you think
>>222348733>pee pee poo poo>you're a faggot>umm whats ur counterargument?!!?!?
>>222348732Wait do Jews want people to live a comfortable middle class existence? And chuds want you to be a medieval serf? I just gotta say out of these two the Jews aren’t sounding like the bad guys here
>>222348775><Still no counter argument
>>222348784>comfortable>must consume to fill the void in his soul>must consume product amd be exited about next product>gets super cancer in the ass from comfy jobAt least you can eat Thai food in New York, amaright?
>>222343412>>222343735>thousand of years of traditional family values.The nuclear family chuds idolize is a very new post-industrial concept foisted on humanity to break up the real family unit so that people could be isolated and exploited. You're supposed to stay in the same house as your parents and grandparents, move your wife in, and have kids in the same house. And your younger brothers should be living real close by. Your sisters should be with men you vetted who are also nearby and ready to assist you (and you them). You are supposed to always be surrounded by family and inlaws and your family would exert local political and economic power. But capitalism couldn't have that so now chuds think the fake 1950s nuclear family concept is trad. lol
>>222347034>conservatives believing that kinky sex or faggotry didn't exist in the pastI’d like one example of a “conservative” ever claiming this
>>222348846>chudsWhy would anyone listen to someone who says this? I auto tune them out because they aren't here to really discuss anything, but are here just to shit on a anything they can.
>>222348944I'll use a trigger warning next time
>>222348978Stop being a chud, ok?
>>222339992>le dyes were really expensive memeNo, they were not, retard. Some dyes were very expensive but most were not.
>>222346169The dark ages is part the medieval period, you goofball. It's everything in between the fall of Rome and the Renaissance.
>Look up authentic viking clothingOk maybe the black leather outfits aren't so bad.
When my president becomes King he will improve all our lives by giving us the same quality of life of a medival peasant!
>>222349035My problem isn't the idea that they're colored, it's that the colors will always look like something that was dyed the day before. The colors are always so bright when they do stuff like this it's distracting. This isn't just a problem with medieval stuff, someone will take out their old uniform from World War 1 and it looks it was made yesterday. I don't know why they can't make something look old/worn but also have color but I'll take the sackcloth hairshirt bullshit if they're going to wear clothes as bright and never worn before as OPs.
>>222339992All you need for red, green and yellow dyes is grass and common flowers
>>222339955Yeah, it's actually to discourage subsistence. You definitely wouldn't be happy if you grow your own food and learned to process textiles!
>>222339961They hated him because he spoke the truth
>>222347509>Seems excessive.>he doesn't know
>>222343024>couldn't be made at homefucking whatif you have a bottle of wine you can dye clothingand there's probably half a dozen plant species in an average garden that could be used to make dyes
>>222344261>>-ack I broke my ankle, guess it's death for meFunny this is much more true for the Ancient world (except Egypt) which had abysmal medical knowledge.
>>222349347There are a million tiktok addicted SSRI foids who sew clothes and have gardens. You are literally more of a useless eater than they are.
>>222343851>we live longerWhen you control for infant mortality, which was a significant issue that was solved by better birthing practices, the actual real world impact on life expectancy has been barely anything. And the "extra" years we've got now are mostly spent infirm with half your marbles gone, which is a fate far worse than death. It would be much more humane to just kill everyone at 70.
>>222349420IIRC the darkest reds were expensive but yes, light reds and pink are easy.
>>222349576So you’re gonna euthanize yourself and die with dignity, right?
>>222349692When I hit 70? Yeah. You've got to plan that shit out early, otherwise you might go senile enough to forget and think you're still capable of trucking on.
>>222345612Wasn't this dude in a NSA cyber security ad?
>>222349717>muh 70My grandfather is 82 and still lives independently as a widower. I do contract work for an 85-year-old who stiff shuffles his ass on job sites drunk in summer heat. Let’s be real, you’re a zoomer who thinks life ends at 30 when your hairline starts to recede.
>>222347604>change how people age.Lmao. Lol. Everyone eventually hits the limit anon. Your parents will reach theirs later but they will be infirm just like everyone else.My Grandfather was a spry salt of the earth nail biting son of a bitch until he reached 82. Then when taking care of him with my mother he fractured his shoulder trying to lift himself off the toilet in his room we made up for him. Then a few days later after changing his diaper we went to move him with bedsheets and the placement of his elbow shattered what remained of his shoulder. The howls, curses, crying and begging both times was one of the most horrible things I had to endure. Taking care of your elderly loved ones isn't easy, pleasant or satisfying. You will have to watch as they degenerate before your eyes and lose all of their dignity. Most people won't be equipped to deal with that, most people will never wish to put their own children through that.
>>222349833I know plenty of people over 70, both of my remaining grandparents are in that category. It's sad to look at them, and they're clearly not all there anymore. I had a great grandmother who made it to her 90s, wouldn't wish that shit on anyone.
>>222349371But every 2 hours?
>>222349420>wasting my wine on dye
>>222350004A pressure injury can form in 15 minutes.
>>222349931plenty of examples of people with all their faculties well past a hundredit goes as it goes
>>222348831You still had to buy stuff in the Middle Ages and you'd die of any one of easily preventable diseases. And you'd be even more unsatisfied because you'd work back breaking drudgery for your lord and half the kids you had with your 3/10 wife shat themselves to death before the age of five
>>222349115No, I don't accept this. When I was younger no one said the dark ages were the early MIddle Ages. To me Rome is antiquity. 400-800 is the Dark Ages and the Early Middle Ages are like 800/900 to 1100
>>222349347There's lots of people in India and Africa living subsistence lives, I'm sure they're all really happy
>>222350577Have you asked them?
>>222349326Things were redyed too. 10 Different color patches on a peasant clothes are meme. It if relatively good shirt and dyed red you can patch it with gray linen patch and dip it in red dye again, and this was more common than just leaving the gray patch as is. Red dye was literally rust made into pigment.
>>222343924He'd run away screaming at the sight of any black man who wouldn't tolerate his pussy bitch behavior.
>>222344885>must be anti-white>must be anti-white >must be anti-white
>>222351011Every single costume will be the same amount of dyed though. As if every single person redyed their clothes the day before. Just like everyone's clothes in most modern things is being worn for the first time in the scene its in. Just like if they painted the roman statues they'd all have the brightest/unfaded colors as possible because people that make movies can only age things that look like shit, it's either colorless and rubbed in shit and dirt or completely new, nothing in between for some reason.
>>222343412Rome literally had gay emperors. Alexander was a homosexual too. Fuck off already you screenshotting homo.
>>222339992Dyes are dirt cheap, so cheap it's free. I've dyed my wool clothes with natural resources found outside, from nuts, berries and even bark..
>>222343924>DUDE ANACHRONISTIC NOVELTY LARPING You know actual warriorship exists in modernity, right?
>>222350548>I don't care what they told you in school. Cleopatra was black!
>>222351721It's my truth anon
>>222351721>Cleopatra was blackJust like Shakespeare and Lincon!
>>222351765>my truthBut anon, there is only one truth.
>>222339955“Middle Ages were LE BAD” has been a thing in the West since the Renaissance. Also, the Dark Ages really were shit.
>>222348527>Your Puritan neighbors get upset because you're having too much fun.
>>222351298Lazy costume staff. You can make 100 pieces of clothing for extras take some of them put them denim aging machine and every 5 min open the machine and take out some of the clothes. After and 70-80 min you will have 15+ different level of wear and tear. Spartacus TV series had that is is not this hard. About the statues - every warhammer 40k or gundam painter can paint 10 statues that look different levels of "old", this is literally 101 of airbrushing. Look at some models they can make it look naturally aged no problem. It is not a problem to make something look like it was painted 100 years ago. This is fraction of the the production cost it will not even be 0.1% of what they spend on ads.
>>222352019It's a very cool story, there's a Nathaniel Hawthorne short story about it. Kind of disproves some of the stories about the colonist since they lived side by side with Indians
>>222352022>will not even be 0.1% of what they spend on adsToo expensive, the slop-machine can fix everything in post for just 0.001% of the ads budget.t. exec
>>222351841Everything was shit compared to the last few decades. Retards here wouldn't last a week in the 1920s let alone the middle ages.
>>222340772Yeah but the only part of the middle ages that hollywood ever bothers to portray is pretty much exclusively the 12th-14th centuries. I cannot think of a single movie that takes place around the migration period, the carolingian renaissance, the norman conquests, the reconquista, the hussite wars, the gothic wars, or really any part of medieval history besides the black plague, the inquisition, and vaguely the hundred years war. On that note the inquisition is also always portrayed as comically evil when in reality they were usually stopping peasants from lynching someone. I guess they do viking shit sometimes but that's always treated as a very seperate thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irRkU-1BDEU
>>222352250Penicillin is for fags. I would've been big in the past before the jewish conspiracy could make me a loser!
>>222340099Did Romans just start copying german clothing with pants and shirts like shit how we copy nigger fashion? Have peoplr just always copied fashion from the most retarded minorities?
>>222348251You people think you're smart but you're not. Modern day hunter-gatherer bands spend about 2 days per week total on subsistence. The entire rest of their time is spent doing basically whatever they want and just hanging out with their family and neighbors. They live in mud huts surrounded by lions and hyenas and all the shit you people like to say would instantly kill anyone who would try to live like that, but that sort of thing has shown to be quite rare. Depending on the specific place it's comparable to your odds of getting hit by a car. They also don't keel over from diseases every day like you people suggest, they're adapted to their environment and know methods for treating most injury and illness. All you have to do to disprove you hysterical fucks is just look at the people who still live like that today and see they're perfectly fine and happy, or at least no worse off than people in industrial urban environments.
>>222352599"Late Roman" means they were already culturally enriched by the wood niggers, Anon.
>>222341371>colored pixels in 1820wait a second
>>222339961He's got dog hair all over his cape. Now I'm seething
I'm pretty sure fans of medieval peasantry never heard of sumptuary laws, corvee labor or seigneurial rights.
>>222348944Mad that you got called out? I’m sure you’re fine with the words tranny and kike tho?
>>222339955>>222343412My church organizes ICE protests and I've been going to them every weekend since May.
>>222352700It's not about pictures lmao
>>222347034>yes fellow conservatives, I too hate degeneracy, but don't you think we should acknowledge that history was full of faggot trannies like me drinking each other's piss??
>>222352885That’s all communistic bullshit designed to make us all poorer
>>222352931What? I hate trannies and kikes, I just find the word chud to be stupid.
>>222348846>You are supposed to always be surrounded by family and inlaws and your family would exert local political and economic power. But capitalism couldn't have that so now chuds think the fake 1950s nuclear family concept is trad. lolThis.
Even a discussing about clothing aesthetics in the medieval era gets politicized. Man, what a fucking shithole. I hate zoomers and their politibrained obsession.
>>222353252Funny that you find the word chud stupid but not the word tranny. Both are derogatory terms for certain kind of people.
>>222353067Nigger, if sodomy was never a thing then they wouldn’t have to ban it in the Bible 2000 years ago. You can literally read biographies of nuns being whores. Pornography existed within the decade of photography being invented. Shut up.
>>222353433Its not funny at all one is a stupid the other is mental illness which is not funny
>>222353067>>222343412>Everything was better in the past>"Mr Sutton Pownall, a gravedigger, lives at Number Two Court, Dickenson Street, Oldham, with his wife Joyce and their five children in a 150 year old house. The family share one bedroom, one kitchen and one living room. They share a key for communal toilets, near to where the dustbins are stacked. His children are Susan, 6, Steve, 5, Sandra, 4, Mark, 3 and Baby Gary, aged 8 months. 1st June 1962."
>>222353615>le poor people existed in le past therefore old bad new good
>>222353749>old bad>new goodYes.
>>222353837Except in television and movies were old good new bad.
actually everyone was naked and had sex all the time
>>222354095>had sex all the timeYes.
>>222348723>I lived in an isolated farmstead with no power, indoor plumbing, or sewage connection for yearsWhere on earth did you live?
>>222339906I think I've cracked the code: MONKS. When people think medieval, they think of medieval monks. And monks were dressed in simple drab colors or black but that was for religious reasons. They wanted to show that they were living simple lives in CONTRAST to the rest of society. Somewhere along the lines the popular conception is that everyone walked around dressing like a monk did. Because medieval = simple and backwards right?
>Ugh I have to work to afford rent and food I wish I lived in the past when things were easier
>>222339955You guys whinge about techno-neofeudalism or whatever, but that stuff was actual feudalism, you needed the lord's permission to marry if you were a serf.
>>222354180Detroit.
>>222342966Victorians. They were really fucking bad about just making shit up and treating it as historical fact.
>>222354217There's also a small chance it was actually Name of the Rose that actually cemented this mindset.
>>222348427Kek
>>222348846>>222353262as someone that lived in one of those houses, it's not as rosy as you think. Your entire life is controlled by your grandfather, grandmother, and then by your mom and dad. Your uncles and aunts are always fighting with their parents and your parents. Your cousins are always fighting with each other, with you, with their parents and their grandparents. Constant competition, gossip, undermining and crab bucketing. If someone eats one grain of rice more than someone else it will be accounted for. You literally can't be your own man and start a family in that environment. You hated being 19 and having your parents lording over you? imagine being 33 and having them make decisions on how you raise your family. If the nuclear family is a product of capitalism, then I'm a capitalist. It might the reason why capitalism is successful because sure as shit you can't have innovation when you work for your dad and he insists on doing everything the way his great grandfather did. I've seen it first hand, young men with good ideas browbeaten into submission because "you're in my home, working in my company, you should shut up and be grateful I let you".
>>222353615>loser>tattooedGuess some things always stay the same.
>>222339906Because they don't want you to know that you live a far more joyless life than any medieval peasant ever has, they have to make it look even grayer and blander than the modern world already does to convince you that things were worse back then.
>>222348098Jewish usury was thriving in the Middle Ages actually. European nobility gave the jews quite a lot of leeway.
>>222353837I'm not quite sure what "absolute low income" is supposed to mean or where that stat is coming from, but the idea that the vast majority of people in the 50s were below the poverty line is blatantly false. Actual historical and economic data shows that roughly 25% lived below the official poverty line and that number kept shrinking into the 60s.
>>222348258>>shitty bedsmy great grandfather slept in a sack filled with straw as a boy and he said it was the most comfortable bed he ever had
>>222348427The goofiest shit is that there's no law against leftist communes. In fact they've tried many times. They collapse because of infighting, how hard it is, or some dictator goes on a power trip.
>>222354330I don't think scapegoating makes for leeway. Besides, the italian banks would use loopholes to get around restrictions.
>>222354388Actually, the real ironic part is that most of the successful phalanteries were typically religious in nature or were lead by a charismatic leader.
>>222348427That isn't really a meme. People literally do this in these gay little communes. The main thing is that it's just mindless hedonism. As Marx said, hunting in the morning, meandering about worthless theory in the afternoon.
>>222354494Oh, I know that part. I think you just need some kind of shared belief system that has some kind of top down hierarchy for this to work. Leftism is too much about the egos and needs of the individual to actually work. ie Leftism is appealing because they're a rebel against society. Suddenly asking them to sit down and farm or knit sweaters is anathema to it, and their impulses tell them to wreck shit and endlessly complain or conspire against the POWERS THAT BE. ie endless revolutionarism.
>>222354293I don't think you would find the peasant life very joyful, though a real peasant, conceivably, might.
>>222354601There's some kind of odd psychology with these people since they're so interested in THEORY. They just want some kind of religion with holy texts they can argue about for infinity. Theory are just tools, and can be discarded or changed as needed and there's never going to be the perfect guru making the perfect THEORY ever. So they're largely chasing phantasms.
>>222354494You mean phalanstery? I think those were always socialist in nature as in they were created by communists in the 1800s
>>222354659>Theory are just tools, and can be discarded or changed as needed and there's never going to be the perfect guru making the perfect THEORY ever.Hence they meander about theory. The thing is that their theory largely just boils down to interpretations of shit like dialectical materialism, which really only has any magnetism via living in a capitalist society. But why wpuld anyone talk about this shit when there aren't any capitalists or private property to moan about? The struggle is the only thing giving meaning to their lives and they just don't see it. People will have nothing to talk about but their petty personal problems which total material equality cannot fix. It's quite sordid and worthless in my opinion.
>>222354676These socialists could, however, be religious as well and be lead by charismatic leaders. After all, neither of these things contradict communal ownership. And phalansteries is the plural form of phalanstery.
>>222354653>Work almost half as much as I do now>Have a house>Have a wife and kids>Live in an actual community made up of people of my own race and culture>Taxed way less than I am now>Society actually has color instead of black/grey/white everything>No glyphosate red-40 pesticide infected food and water>No globohomo agendaI think I would find peasant life is actually more joyful than I could even imagine.
>>222354811>And phalansteries is the plural form of phalanstery.Sorry you said phalanteries
>>222354832>>Work almost half as much as I do nowThat's not exactly true>>Have a houseIf you are a serf, then you are essentially paying indentured to your liege and your land technically, legally, belongs to him, though you have a customary right to it>>Have a wife and kidsWith the lord's permission>>Live in an actual community made up of people of my own race and cultureSure>>Taxed way less than I am nowNo>>Society actually has color instead of black/grey/white everythingTrue, though society today isn't that colorless I think. Depends on where you live I guess>>No glyphosate red-40 pesticide infected food and waterSure, though also, not that much food security to begin with.>>No globohomo agendaCan't argue with that, though christendom was ideally envisioned as a single unified empire that had nothing to do with race.
>>222354832>I CANT BREEDI have a stay-at-home wife and a kid and I’m a /tv/ poster. Literally just git gud.
>>222354832>Work almost half as much as I do nowYou are pretty much the DIG THE FUCKING HOLE retard but reversed.
>>222349420>if you have a bottle of wine you can dye clothingCongratulation, you now have a bottle of wine less and a piece of clothing that smells like booze and looks used by someone who got stabbed in the neck. Also the color turns dark reddish very fats and would eventually become a shitty brown after a while. Believe me I tried it>>222350288Dunno man, I think the vast majority of centenarians have a pretty mushy brain, expect for some lucky cases.>>222352885> nooooo, my favorite xhitter faggots told me that peasants in the dark ages only worked 20 days per year, ate beef every day, wore comfortable and colorful clothes and actually were all muscular, clean and blue eyed! These are all lies!!
>>222354928Right you are.
>>222354832I think nearly every waking moment of a serf's life was work. You think work ended after they were done toiling in the fields all day?
>>222354280This, this, thisI was raised a Mormon and this post hits very close to home.
>>222352885>highland poorfags remove vegetation for a new field, pasture or whatever>OH NO IT'S SO HORRIBLE SAVE ME NIGGERMANFucking redditards
>>222355074I wouldn't say every waking hour. They ate and they prayed and told stories, but people do neglect to mention household chores. There's also just the question of when does labor end and leisure begin? Today, we think fishing is a pastime activity. Did a peasant also like fishing on a placid lake? Can you like doing what you do?
>>222352885literally all of those things exist today arguably in worse form but since they have been legitimatized through fugazi such as "rights", "state", "constitution" by a legion of lawyers rather than by Dei Gratia it's ok I guess LMAO>Corvée is a form of unpaid forced labour that is intermittent in nature, lasting for limited periods of time, typically only a certain number of days' work each year. Statute labour is a corvée imposed by a state for the purposes of public works>Americans work almost four months out of the year just to pay their combined federal, state, and local tax burdens.The concept is popularly known as Tax Freedom Day, which represents the date by which the average earner has made enough money to pay off their total tax bill for the year
>>222339906>>222339955grey and brown colorgrading in ancient history films was invented by ridley in the movie gladiator
>>222352885Corveé is part of seignurial rights, but it was envisioned as a mutual thing and the lord needed to procure the means to which his tenants could fulfill their duties, while also fulfilling his own duties
>>222354954>>>Work almost half as much as I do now>That's not exactly truenot exactly but pretty close still>your land technically, legally, belongs to him, though you have a customary right to itlike your land belongs to the state? and if you stop paying taxes it's taken away from you?>taxes in form of crops = LE BAD>taxes in form of made up numbers = GOOD>With the lord's permissionthis nigga really thinks kings were pondering if they'd allow a random peasant marrying his own cousin kek >>Taxed way less than I am now>Noyes
>>222354954>That's not exactly trueSo no refutation then, got it.>If you are a serf, then you are essentially paying indentured to your liege and your land technically, legally, belongs to him, though you have a customary right to itSo just like owning land in America works right now.>With the lord's permissionSo still having a wife and kids then.>NoYes, we're taxed on income, then again on every purchase we make, we're also taxed on any property we "own" and those taxes fluctuate constantly based on the value of your neighbors houses, which is totally insane.>Not that much food security to begin withI guess that's true
>>222351689>ANACHRONISTICYou don't know what that word means stinker. Eat more cow shit instead of posting here.
Where does this idea that peasants worked less come from? You know they had to work at home as well right? Tending their own crops, managing their own livestock as well as a shitload of bullshit chores and maintenance we dont really have to put up with now. Or do you guys just not consider that work?
>>222355794>as well as a shitload of bullshit chores and maintenance we dont really have to put up with now>vague assertions>no examples
>>222355794It comes from like half the year being Christian holidays and there being no agriculture to worry about in the winter. My grandma had a farm including livestock. It's not that bad although not everyone is cut out for it. I found it enjoyable, so not really work.
>>222355794Some retard eyeballed the minimum work to avoid starvation and made a YouTube video. Now retards believe that peasants worked like 30 days each year.
>>222355794You see there's that funny thing called late autumn, winter and early spring...
Every sterotype of pre-modern barbarism is actually from doctors. Doctors used to see it as an insult if you asked them to clean their tools before use. Up to the 80's doctors thought babies couldn't feel pain and would operate on infants without anesthesia leading to thousands of babies a year dying from physical trauma. Doctors were the ones pushing heroine and and cigarettes on people calling them healthy. It's always been doctors.
