why are book nerds so jealous and insecure about cinema?why are they always saying retarded shit like "THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF THE BOOK" like it's a 1 to 1 adaptation and the directors should have no liberties
because it's rarely ever good changes being made. next question.
>>222340567cuz we all have a kind of autism in uspeople like the sonic movies but they make me and other sonicfags seethe with all the changesbookfags are the same way just on a larger scale
>>222340567She's not a book nerd, she's a feminist nepobaby
>>222340567Why are you such a soulless corporate whore that you'll support hollywood jews raping the western canon for money
>>222340567Liking a thing was her whole personality. If the thing she likes becomes popular she worries that it might be taken from her, so she lashes out.
>>222340567Is this the final millennial form?
>>222340784Just missing the septum piercing.
>>222340784She’s 55 years old. Just a disappointed Gen Xer.
>>222340636Seethe, she's like 150 IQ and credentialed academic elite
>>222340821All that IQ and she looks like a fucking inmate with all that ink. Not very smart
>>222340567She got BTFO for her whiney review
>>222340781>Liking a thing was her whole personalityTypical leftists. Us based chuds make hating a thing our whole personality like normal people.
>>222341024The Obsession and Odyssey discourse may have been the tipping point for me where I'm beginning to not give a shit about culture war topics nearly as much, already this whole back and forth dancing to the tune of the puppet masters I recognised as ridiculous, but I now feel a sense of peace washing over me
>>222340567if they don't want to hear complaints about their sub-par adaptiations movie fags can just wear their big boy pants and write an original story then. Just understanding the book that one's adapting on the most basic level is often enough to get a good movie out of it, but that's already asking too much for half of the directors
>>222341024The funny thing is that her translation got pilloried for using modern American English and being too woke and not really respecting the original text.
>>222341191>using modern American EnglishIts a translation. What else should it use? Tudor English? Why would that be more appropriate?>being too wokeName one thing in it that's woke>not really respecting the original textName one instance of her falsifying/disrespecting the original text
>>222341024>a feminist being called a chudi lol'd
Because they like the book and want to see it adapted faithfully, rather than the director using it to do his own thing with it.I'm not saying they're necessarily right, but I get it. If my favourite books were made inro movies, and those ended up diverging too much from them, I'd be disappointed too, even if they were still really good movies.
>>222341218NTA, I haven't read the translation beyond the first page, but something about the sentence "Tell me about a complicated man" just sounds incredibly retarded to me.
>>222341218Using old-fashioned English is because that’s what people are used to. Just like how Matt Damon speaking American English threw people off. We expect our classical stuff to be spoken in British English.
>>222340567Nolan's Niggerssey really is an absolute dogshit adaptation though
>>222341236> I haven't read the translation beyond the first pageNobody here has. The only lines of Homer chuds have ever read are the ones in the Emily Wilson meme. >something about the sentence "Tell me about a complicated man" just sounds incredibly retarded to me.So its just your subjective fee fees and not anything about her actually falsifying the translation
>>222341024Bizarre statement, people said the same thing about her defense of the Blonde adaptation.
>>222341251You know when the old-fashioned translations were made, the translators weren't using "old-fashioned" language but the modern language of their times, right chuddie?>because that is what we are used to and expect!!!so its just your subjective habits and not anything about her actually falsifying the translation
>>222341230I think that once you get to a certain age, like, say your mid-50s, you should probably understand that a book, particularly a dense one, cannot be faithfully adapted to a completely different medium. She’s throwing a hissy fit over nothing.Now, she’s worried that a bunch of people will like the book she’s devoted her life to and won’t give her credit for liking the book “before it became popular.”
>>222340821>credentialed academic elite
>>222341285You’re agreeing with me. Why do you sound so angry? Is that just how you behave normally?
>>222340567This bitch looks extremely miserable in every review. And sounds even worse. Each time I hear her, I wonder if some troll messed with the audio to make her sound retarded.
>>222341327I am not agreeing with you. You claim that translations always have to use faux old-timey English, which is just nonsense.
>>222341319>negro professor from prestigious university caught having plagiarized their dissertationThis happens so often you gotta wonder how they keep letting them through
She clearly wrote a simplified version for retards, no need to read beyond the first page to assess this>for our modern timescome on
>>222341350You’re just restating what I said and getting frustrated. Relax, ma’am. You’re sounding hysterical.
>>222341285>>222341269>falsifying the translationThere are a million different ways you can translate a work to English, it is not objectively 'false' but in my subjective opinion translating a work of ancient literature to sound like what you would hear a wine aunt say in a water cooler conversation is stupid.
>>222341375>it is not objectively 'false' So you admit that she didn't falsify the original text, got it.
>>222341191yeah it should be more niggerish
>>222341309>>222340567>>222340781Literally the only reason she is mad is because Nolan did exactly what she was doing, but he was about as subtle as a bulldozer without breaks. It's like as if she was poisoning a target to use his demise to further her goals ,only for Nolan to barge through the door bash target's skull in with a sledgehammer in front of everybody.Both set out to demystify Oddysey, but her way would be long lasting if subtle and someone else would continue her work.
>>222341309Is she the lady that translated the Odyssey and shit talked Nolan's version?I mean, I get the point. Nolan took an ancient story, produced by a very different culture with very different sensibilities and contorted into a metaphor for the cost of modern American military adventurism. It is an appropriation of the original material for something that's clearly based on Nolan's personal thematic interests.And I say that as someone who actually really liked the movie. But I get why a an actual scholar of Ancient Greece would roll their eyes at it.
>>222341386That's just the framework you're deploying to defend the translation, you haven't actually proven that it is a good translation simply because it isn't technically 'wrong'. A translator can take liberties as long as the overall aesthetic sense of the finished work is sound. Wilson's translation is overly simplified and sounds like a young adult novel. You can argue it is 'modernised' but at what point is this process of modernisation actually inappropriate and robbing the original of its character? It should at least sound epic and poetic, not like what you would overhear two young girls saying at a bus stop.
>>222341360>She clearly wrote a simplified version for retardsContrary to these other translators, she wanted to use an epic meter to convey the rhythmic nature of the poem. She went for iambic pentameter, because Greek dactylic hexameter depends on patterns of long and short syllables that do not map naturally onto English stress, whereas iambic pentameter is the established metre of English epic blank verse.
>>222341351There's a certain group who is over represented in college administrations who are totally cool with it as long as they follow a certain set of rules. Some of those rules being to not criticize a certain government and group
>>222341419>It should at least sound epic and poeticSee: >>222341421
>>222341386No one said she falsified anything, Emily. Calm your tits.
>>222341351She was a fucking Harvard president with annual salary of $1.6 million and NOBODY said shit.
>>222341404These are the only lines of Homer chuds have ever read. The sole meaning Homer has for chuds is as something figuring in their little culture wars, some reason to whine about a woman.
>>222341436>No one said she falsified anythingSure thing, sweatie: >>222341191
>>222341449>leftists pretending to care about Odyssey
>>222340567Ungrateful cunt. Hope she gets pilloried more online. As a Nolanfan, it's funny seeing even leftists calling her out.
>>222341433The only positive characteristic of the translation is that it is more intelligible to people who don't read literature. Your attempt to justify the work with basic knowledge of poetry doesn't mean anything, it's still diluting and oversimplifying the language of the original poem, making it sound bland and lifeless.
>>222341421the meter alone doesn't do much, anybody reading those four translations will tell you that Wilson's is the one that sounds the least like poetry
>>222341466>not really respecting = falsifying Oh, come on. Now you just sound desperate.
>>222340808Damn hate to say it but she doesn't look bad for a 50 years old.
>>222341449idk why you think lefties care about the classics, generally. It's chud shit to read the Aeneid
>>222341502>making it sound bland and lifeless.This. Even the original was meant to be sung. It wasn’t straightforward language in the original Mycenean Greek either. It’s meant to be lyrical and full of wordplay.Little kids would get the story in plain language. Adults would get the full version.
>>222341024Oates went chud. She watched the TV movie adaption and then admitted Nolan's version sucks.
>Any translator of a text as long and complex as the Odyssey is going to err. But in addition to the usual typos, Wilson makes so many mistakes that, collectively, they begin to sap the reader’s confidence in her translation. Straightforward blunders include attributing a speech to the wrong speaker, producing a character formerly unknown to the Odyssey, and misidentifying another. Among Wilson’s other infelicities are numerous mistranslations, lines skipped by the translator, and mistakes of fact.>It seems to me that in her handling of the Odyssey and its characters and values Wilson is trying to do too many things at once: to rework the Odyssey so that it embodies twenty-first-century mores and values; and to be a critic; and to produce a translation suitable for undergraduates and first time readers of the epic. But her version does not show enough creative independence to stand on its own as a rewriting of the Odyssey. And it is marred by too many idiosyncracies and failures of scholarship to succeed as an academic translation. https://casa-kvsa.org.za/legacy/AC63-Whitaker-18DEC2019.pdf
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>>222340821She is 90 IQ and happens to have been born rich
>>222341725Oof.Maybe that’s why she’s attacking Nolan’s version: to distract from her own amateurish effort.
>>222340989>>222341319>>222341798Cope harder, credentials are everything, if you don't have credentials then stfu>>222341351>Racist enraged by successful black women
>>222341860Credentials are everything when it comes to impressing braindead cattle, true. The translation is still mediocre and unnecessary.
>>222340600これ
>>222341934She's respected and you're not, keep chugging the copagua
>>222341857her translation was already (in)famous, as you might guess the media mostly defended her and showered her with undeserved praise because she was the first woman to publish a full English translation and she applied feminist morals to it (novels that are "a feminist retelling of mythology" are all the rage lately). But now that she attacked Nolan's "masterpiece" apparently she's a chud lol, what a joke
>>222342029>She's respectedreally says a lot about our societyunironically
>>222342029She will forever be known as a woman who, out of a delusional sense of grandiosity, produced a notoriously mediocre translation of one of the greatest works of literature.
>>222340567Because when you have the opportunity to make a blank-check tentpole cinematic event of one of the foundational stories of human history, it's not the time to "subvert expectations" or "tell your version of the story"You're supposed to make a faithful baseline adaptation of the story with all of the resources at your disposal to serve as the gold standard against which all future adaptations will be judged. This is not the time to inject your vanities or personal sensibilities into the existing art.
>>222341551>words words wordschuds can't meme
>>222342043>But now that she attacked Nolan's "masterpiece" apparently she's a chud lol, what a jokeNot a chud, just a hypocrite. She made an adaptation of Homer, then goes around attacking other adaptations for doing the same thing she did. She’s probably deluded herself into thinking her version is definitive.
>>222341024Why post fake images?The article is from The Guardian. Oats is criticizing Wilson for criticizing Nolan because the success of the movie has lead to more book sales for Wilson. Also she thinks it's in bad taste for a translator to criticize anyone else's interpretations of the odyssey so long as that interpretation is in good faith.And yes, I know MAGA talk=Chud but the image was altered to garner more rage b8.
>>222342086>You're supposed to make a faithful baseline adaptation of the story with all of the resources at your disposalNo, you don’t. The original text is not being destroyed. Anyone can get a copy of the real thing if they want.>This is my interpretation of this thing. That’s all it is, no more, no less. Nolan has never said he was trying to do a 100% faithful version or even an accurate version. He’s making the movie he wants to make. Simple as.
>>222342106Yeah leftards don't read, that was the post
"For me, it's Lattimore!" said godlike Odysseus.
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>>222342176>me lying about you is ok because the truth still exists somewhere elseinsane woman logic, as expected
>>222342328The irony is that Wilson’s “complicated man” isn’t complicated at all. He’s just a murdering asshole.If you had never heard of the epic and only read her version, you’d assume Odysseus was the bad guy.
>>222342362I accept your concession.
>>222342086>You're supposed to make a faithful baseline adaptation of the story with all of the resources at your disposal to serve as the gold standard against which all future adaptations will be judged. This is not the time to inject your vanities or personal sensibilities into the existing art.source?
>>222342328polytropos should be left as the literal translation because there is no non-literal English word that conveys the meaning of "many-turns"translating it as "complicated" is retarded because in today's vernacular describing a person as "complicated" carries a negative connotation>>222342400meanwhile ancient greeks saw him as a hero
>>222342417>I refuse to continue engaging in a conversation I am losingagain, woman moment
>>222342400>He’s just a murdering assholeName one person he kills in Wilson's version that he doesn't kill in the original
>>222342470The author
>>222342328
>>222342491Yeah chuds don't read, that was the post
>>222342432>meanwhile ancient greeks saw him as a heroExactly. What Wilson fails to understand is that the Greeks saw their heroes as flawed nonetheless.Achilles was mighty but wrathful. Odysseus was clever but deceitful.Going all the way back to Jason who died miserable and alone, crushed by a falling piece of his rotting ship.Greeks wanted to teach people to see the good in people without being blind to their flaws.
>>222340567>the directors should have no libertiesIf they're using someone else's work then respect the source or fuck off.
>>222342109I said chud in reference to >>222341024, but yeah I don't know if she expected an hollywood movie to be accurate to the source material or what other silly expectations she had but she's like the boy who cried wolf>She’s probably deluded herself into thinking her version is definitive.that's very likely the case, she must think that her messy modern feminist interpretation is what the patriarchal ancient greeks always intended their poem to be
>>222342505No one reads what you shit up, schizophrenic fucktard.
>>222342470>bad faith argumentThe suitors, for instance, are described as much more boorish in the other translations, Wilson downplays this and describes Odysseus killing them as murder, which is definitely NOT the word used in the original.
>>222342537Ok. Understood. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
>>222342623Are you seriously trying to argue that Odysseus did not mean to kill the suitors?He has been planning it for like three books by that point.
Funny that it's women tearing Nolan a new one like a Chinese journalist and radfem Wilson.
>>222342695The CCP agent pathetically failed
>>222342731Schizophrenic fucktard.
>>222342659>bad faith argument part two No, he killed them and was justified in doing so. He didn’t MURDER them. Wilson makes it seem like he should have kicked them out for partying too hard, not for conspiring to kill his son.
>>222342731>chink journo helps Nolan shill his movie by letting him sound smart with a stupid question since this is what their market prefers"REEEE the evil CCP agent failed because [imaginary, pedantic Nolan response that never happened]holy schizo
>>222342809>He didn’t MURDER themMurder: The intentional and violent taking of a human life.
>>222341024What the fuck does "giving chud" mean?
>>222342827Jannies stopped doing anything and schizos like him are shitting the board.
>>222340635This anons post speaks volumes.I often say that 'continuity is god' here in this realm, and this is what I mean.Autism to this anon is caring about changes. Changes to something you know well or are devoted to in some way.Caring about things and allowing disruptions to occur, rather than being indifferent and 'on rails' is a pathology to the modern man.
>>222343184You’re not wrong, but it’s important to have understanding and acceptance where it’s warranted, otherwise it devolves into shrieking gatekeeping.If someone likes something in a way you don’t necessarily like, you can take that as an excuse to start a fight or you can use it as a way to start a dialogue and help someone else gain deeper appreciation (and maybe even deepen your own appreciation in the process.)
>>222342328>>222342731AI stands for Always Indians, Nolans primary audience.
