I just got back from seeing this in Dolby Cinema at AMC Del Amo 18. Right away I wanna say the format is impressive. The movie looked and sounded amazing. You can really appreciate how it looks like a Sony movie and not an MCU movie. Like it has that bluer tone that Gran Turismo has. The movie itself peaks in the first 5 minutes. The Wolf Like Me montage is the best part of the entire movie. It's all downhill after that. The parts with Punisher were kinda cool. The Hulk scene was kinda cool. The cliche storyline where the government agency turns out to be evil has already been done so many times in Marvel movies. Like you know the black guy from Severance is gonna be evil as soon as he comes on screen. It's all so predictable and repetitive.When Spidey was fighting The Hand at the end it was totally boring because you know Spidey is gonna win and how are these basic humans even given him any trouble. Like bro just kill them so you can move on. Whenever Ned or Zendaya were on screen I was bored. Whenever Aunt May was on screen I was bored. Should have been 40 minutes shorter. Overall I rate it a 5/10
isnt it true that the movie literally does nothing to advance Peter's individual plot? his status quo is completely unchanged at the end of it, correct?
>>222352439Yes.
>>222352439> his status quo is completely unchanged at the end of it, correct?Depends how you wanna interpret the post credit scene.
>>222352396I just got back from seeing this on my laptop. It's shit.
>>222352500That has zero to do with whatever he was going through in this movie, plus you know it'll be resolved in two Avengers movies.
>>222352439Incorrect.
>>222352439Yeah, he can also now make ground breaking DNA modifying technology in his shitty apartment with a little 3D printer that can now neutralize super hero and mutant powers after Zendaya had to solve why the prototypes werent working.
Too many plotholes.Why was there a grand piano in the back of a mail truck?Why did Punisher talk about making chili and we even see him using a saucepan over a burner but then he's literally eating it out of the can?Why would the Punisher not recognize his own pistol?
>>222352396Don't care, not interested. Go back to shilling on twitter faggot
>>222352396Mary jeanMj
The punisher bits were the worst. It’s obvious he was added in after they finished the movie and he represents the worst things about Hollywood superhero slop. Like I doubt Jean Gray was originally written to be taken out by a sniper
>>222352626>Why was there a grand piano in the back of a mail truck?It was being mailed.>Why did Punisher talk about making chili and we even see him using a saucepan over a burner but then he's literally eating it out of the can?We do see the food cooking. He doesn't own plates.>Why would the Punisher not recognize his own pistol?He does. He's asking a rhetorical question as a way to signal incredulity.
>>222352655i cant wait for the collective kvetch half this board is going to have once [INSERT NAME HERE] sticks his tongue down sadie sink's throat as miles morales
>>222352928They've already cast her Cyclops anonkun.
>>222353015wont matter. this is Hollywood in the 2020's. she will make her way to Miles' African muscles soon enough
>>222353073Miles doesnt even exist Ranjesh
>>222353114Go ahead and make fun of me being Indian, it won't change that that ginger actress will be paired with a black man. Maybe it's just that we are the only race intelligent enough to see the writing on the wall.
>>222353223>Go ahead and make fun of me being Indianpoo in loo lmao
>>222353114He is inevitable.
>>222352439Only someone who didn't watch the movie would say that, yes
>>222352396This entire movie is an "I can fix her"memeBut double p succeeds
>>222352439
>>222354073Was that the same girl that said "we live on the same floor"? That scene was stupid.
i want to have SEX with JEAN GREY
Did you guys notice Amy Pascal had her own giant logo in the closing credits? How is that woman still employed?
>>222354158Which one is the stupid one? The scene of the outfit or the scene of her saying they live on the same floor?
>>222354179me and my friend were too busy giggling at some of the silly foreign names in the lists.
>>222352396why didn't jean gray directly jump into severance blackman first is the main questionwhy did she cause all that needless havok in the city?
>>222354192The latter. No shit you live on the same floor, bitch. No woman would ever go out of her way to speak to a stranger like that.
I thought it was great. Feige needs to realize nobody cares about Michelle.
>>222354223Literally just follow the guy home and mind rape him.
>>222354262Do you not understand that scene, anon? lmao>>222354223She's a telepath, but her "power explosion" was the awakening of her telekinesis. And if you're referring to her jumping to the guy at the computer, it's because she wanted to torture the black man and he wouldn't be able to feel her torture if she was in his head.
>>222353884the REAL MJ
>>222352396Movie was trash or I have cape slop fatigue.
My favorite part when when the hero(s) had that super intense emotional moment that causes their powers to level up right at the last moment so they could overcome their adversaries. So original and not just a derivative of Gohan vs Cell.
>>222354262Thats a normal human interaction retard of course it happens, and the point is peter ignores her cause he is isolating
>>222354373But, as evidenced by your example, that's fucking peak.
>>222353884The ship has been launched.
>>222354392>Thats a normal human interaction retard of course it happens,Maybe in small town USA but in big cities no person ever acknowledges the existence of a stranger. Like right here, notice how Drive just walks past her eyes forward, not a peep.https://youtu.be/yc_zIAa-wns?list=RDyc_zIAa-wns&t=93
>>222352439It setups well then they do nothing with it>manspider>the spell>MJ All finished loosely. Peter has more friends by the end of the movie but that's about it. Honesty i don't know which message they tried to send
>>222354460Reminds me how fucking sexy Yelena was in that bath house scene. That was a rare highlight in this boring ass movie full of ugly ass brown people.
>>222353223>Go ahead and make fun of me being Indianpooinloo
I laughed maybe 4 times total. One time when Ned says he has it down to two people and it shows Flash. That got a laugh out of me. And then I remember Punisher saying something funny and laughing at it but i dont remember what. I do remember a lot of product placements for BMW and Liquid IV.
>>222354461Drive is also an autistic freak trying to be withdrawn.>>222354511Being someone who doesnt watch trailers or keep up with leaks or anything like that. I was really expecting the fucker from the animated show to show up and was so disappointed when he didnt. Anyway, the message is spelt out very clearly. "You can't do it alone."
>>222354461dude pls tell me youre joking ad not actually this autistic
>>222354511>manspiderI mean, they weren't going to make a Manspider horror flick with a PG13 movie, lmao. It's still a good adaptation of the concept, it fit perfectly with the theme of the movie.
>>222354262Anon, you know she was flirting with him right? Right?
>>222354373did anime really invent bad writing?
>>222354611he was fine for FoxKids though?
>>222354461That sounds like a you problem bro
>>222354262She tried to hit on him, anon
>>222353884Jean Grey was cute. CUTE!
>>222354635Bro, imagine a realistic giant Manspider compared to this.
>>222354622>>222354663Even though she already has a big black bf?
>>222354665Can't wait for Secret Wars
>>222352396usual marvel slop. punishman was out of place /useless and bernthal yells like a caveman retard.also why when spidertard knew jean was in his apartment did he not just go there and punch a hole in her head instead of doing a stupid race
>>222354681>it was the jeet who didn't recognise the flirting scene as flirtingKEK
>even capeshit is NTR nowAre the normies doing okay?
>>222354158>gets rejected by stacy>gets humiliated infront of her and her BBC bfWhite boy humiliation ritual
>>222354590The point being there are too many plotline but film makersvseem to forget the final act to conclude them.Maybe it means to be cliffhanger, but nothing but Peter & Jean relationship get resolved at the end. No wonder Tumblr now ship them
>>222354814Your highschool girlfriend moving on at some point during college is not what NTR is, even if it makes you feel bad. This goes double if you used magic to make her forget you exist.
>>222352439It’s more like the beginning of the movie spends it time setting up the next four years of the animated shows plot
>>222354910The final act was fine.
>>222354681she flirted with peter, but he ghosted her. Then she went for the blck bvll.Take that chuddie
>>222354720I genuinely hope they break from the comics and make Peter Parker her love interest. In many ways the comics follow the movies so setting this as a precedent wouldn't even matter. It's already kino and the chemistry is already there
It's a mid cape movie. Raimis still mog. I'm glad it was a semi-solo spider-man, a step away from the mcu iron man slop, but you know that will be reverted in the next sequel.
>>222355008Considering what it’s setting up o don’t see any iron man infecting it, but I do see his death at the end of this trilogy unfortunately
>>222354992Sadly I doubt it, because it means you will have to pay Tom/Spidey to put him in the X-Men movies. You also can't develop the relationship between Scott and her with all the emotional package leading to the Phoenix arc. I hope we get at least a scene of Scott being jealous after seeing Peter and Jean being really close, kek.
>>222355008>Raimis still mogIt's way better than the 3rd which is still one of the worst fucking Spider-Man movie.
I just want the actor who plays Ned to get his big budget fat ugly bastard movie. He’s an entertaining presence on screen and deserves every chance to succeed, but we ALL know what it should be
>>222352439Kinda. It was kinda a reset for the character. He's back to being friends with mj and the fat guy, but now he has a fabric suit like everyone wanted from day one and he can shoot organic webs.So its what he should have been in the first place before he was turned into iron man jr by the fucking avengers arc.
>>222352439You can tell this movie went through a ton of re-writes. >The arachnid DNA plot made no sense. It didn't explain anything or add anything other than letting him use organic webbing and then he just turn it off and on for no reason.>Jean is just an evil cunt for no reason. An omega level mutant that is also considered one of the empathetic people is going inside the minds of multiple heroes and never asks any of them to help her, she just threatens everyone and tries to kill people.>Punisher is a much more tragic character than Peter and being inside his mind and Banner didn't make her have a change of heart, even though both of them lost way more and are still good people>They pussied out and everything from the end of the last movie is undone. Ned is back and niggress is obviously going to be his gf again in the next movie.This movie is just more MCU slop that only works if you don't think about it.
>>222352396Who is main villain? Scorpion need mask
>>222355521>Punisher is a much more tragic character than Peter and being inside his mind and Banner didn't make her have a change of heart, even though both of them lost way more and are still good peopleGoing into someone's head doesn't mean you need to explore their whole life, retard.Jean literally stop it after seeing that Punisher has too much shit going on inside his head.
>>222352439Welcome to modern Spider-Man
>>222354277Zendaya is not going to age well. She already looks like she's 40
>>222354720Is it true the Spiderman will be the character we follow in secret wars? Or was that just baseless rumors
>>222355722It's slop writing and everyone is retarded for the sake of the narrative
>>222355521It adds the inhibitors, specifically the universal inhibitor that Banner was so worried about, which will be used as part of the collars that are used to neuter mutants.Jean is evil because her sister was kidnapped and tortured and they had an abusive mother. Her sister teaches her that people can't be trusted.Jean doesn't change her heart because of Peter's tragedy, she changes her heart because of the love Peter experiences. She gets a mirror that shows her what a loving maternal presence can do and how it can make even those who are "outsiders" feel included and happy and loved.This was always going to happen because it's comic books.This is MCU slop and you were still too dumb to understand most of it.
>>222355898Spiderman is the most popular Marvel character and he is the most financially successful one. It would make sense to put him front and center more, which is exactly why Sony and Disney won't do it and will probably make the lead be a woman, probably a black woman
>>222355898I don't know, but he is in it and Jean too.I think he isn't in Doomsday, so joining the big fight with his pov seems to make sense.
>>222355923Yeah yeah yeah, nice argument.It's funny to see people who can't even understand a stupid movie like this, kek.
>>222355955You're telling me that Peter created a DNA inhibitor in his apartment because he has a random mutation for no reason other than stress, which is just aping the Raimi SpidermanI get that about Jean. I'm asking why did they make this version of Jean a retarded cunt. Jean is usually portrayed as genius level intellect and a very empathetic person. She can read minds, so she can prove who she can and can't trust. Why didn't she ask Peter or any of the other heroes for help. She had no reason to try to kill MJ. She's the villain that we kept a secret the whole time, but surprise, the actual evil guy was the blatantly evil nigger corporation guy the entire time that we totally know you didn't see coming.
>>222356086>No dude, it's not just regular slop, it's much deeper slopYou are a virgin
>>222356108>You're telling meNo, the film is. >no reason other than stressThe film literally states out loud "Maybe you're just changing" and then he stays in the organic web state even when at peace with himself.>why didn't Jean ask for helpI literally just explained this to you. She only knows "if someone knows you're special, they'll hurt you". That's the entirety of her experience from the moment she becomes a mutant. And again, the movie DIRECTLY TELLS YOU THE ISSUE.>C'mon Sarah, what would you do if you had daughters like us?>Love them.And then what gets through to her in the end? Seeing a "mother" find out they had a child like Jean and just love them anyway. You should not be too stupid to understand capeshit and yet, here you are.
>>222354178Jean Grey owes Peter sex
>>222356191>The film literally states out loud "Maybe you're just changing" and then he stays in the organic web state even when at peace with himself.I understand that. My issue is they didn't do anything with this change. Everyone was expecting him to become the man spider and the Punisher would help him, which happened in the cartoon and comics. They didn't do anything with it here. He just "gets over it" and goes super saiyan and then turns it off at the end and that's it.>She only knows "if someone knows you're special, they'll hurt you". That's the entirety of her experience from the moment she becomes a mutant. And again, the movie DIRECTLY TELLS YOU THE ISSUE.Again, I understand it. It still doesn't make sense in the context of the movie. She's not a little kid though and the character isn't supposed to be written as a retardd. She can read minds and she knows Spiderman is a good person, along with Frank and Hulk. I wouldn't really care about her not asking for help if they also didn't write her as a sociopath. She isn't even redeemed at the end. She just leaves after killing lots of people. They are trying to release a solo movie for her in 2028, so I guess they have to make her be some tragic character to have room for that.
>>222352396Would’ve been a better movie if they had just had more of the rogues in it as like a mystery film until they revealed the body hopper. Hulks role should’ve been a new Curt Connor’s & Lizard
>>222356448She was about to before Michelle Jones hired frank to stop it
>>222356108>Jean is usually portrayed as genius level intellect and a very empathetic personBecause she is not a under Xavier yet, she is not a fucking X-Men.It's the purpose of Xavier's school: guiding them, helping them to control their powers, giving them a sense of morality while using their powers.This is basically her origin story which is always filled with drama before like every fucking mutant before they end up at their school.>She can read minds, so she can prove who she can and can't trustShe can't read Peter's mind. She is not strong enough yet and get pulled out by Hulk. She can't handle Punisher's broken mind and just control him like a puppet.>She had no reason to try to kill MJ. The movie literally show you that her powers are evolving. Pay attention.Damn, we are really going to act like if it was not an easy catch for Peter, now? There was no risk, Peter was just in front of her before her fall, lol.
>>222356478The issue isn't that the film doesn't do anything with it. The issue is that you're autistic and because the film doesn't do the thing you had in your head, youre having an autistic fit. It's common among autists.>I understand it. You keep proving that you don't.
>>222353884Wonder how marvel is gonna play this out with how explosive it's become, will they be based and write off michelle "mj" jones or will they be pussies (likely outcome desu)
>>222357305Him and the bitch are married and they're basically a package deal in every movie now
>>222353884>Wah I’m a faggot superhuman who with my psychotic sister went to a park & controlled different people for funsiesDamage Control should’ve treated her like a beagle in a Dr Fauci animal lab.
>>222352693I agree his parts were. It just felt like he had nothing to do and they made him a retard. He makes things worse for Peter despite being there to help during the Hulk scene, and he accidentally shoots Peter, and he doesn’t take down any criminals or kill anyone throughout the whole film. It’s a shame. I was hoping we’d get manspider and he’d be the one to save Peter.
>>222354223Why did severance Blackman not capture her when they capped her sister? They just happened to have all this intel about the sister to know when and where to cap her but had no idea she had a sister with the exact same powers?
We got organic webs back and that’s all that matters. Stay winning organic chads. Web shitters commit suicide.
Has Jean Grey ever not been portrayed as a complete bitch and retard?
Movie was fine, good action, inexplicable Hulk regression (before Jean broke him), actually powerful and menacing Hulk, Punisher is as good as we'll get in current year, Jean Grey cute.What really ground my gears was showing up for a 6:30 showing at 6:25, watching some dumb entertainment news, and then at 6:30 begins 30 SOLID MINUTES of commercials and trailers!!!The fucking movie did not actually start until 7pm!! On three separated occasions the screen went completely black, leading you to anticipate the movie starting, only to segue into more car and fast food commercials! Also, trailers for films no one in the audience for Spidey were likely to care about, (plus some low effort looking kids animation.Plus another Fockers movie (really!?!)Fuck you, B&B Theaters.
>>222358577You can add boring.
>>222354678Qrd whats this from?
>>222352396>amc del amoI don't care what some asian faggot thinks
>>222354373Do you really think dbz invented that?
>>222358841I went to Emagine and they had 15 minutes of ads between the showtime and the movie. Tolerable but before the showtime they were showing more mature ads with gory horror movie excerpts for some reason. One parent and kid walked in during it, got confused and left for several minutes, thinking they had the wrong theater.None of the ads drove me nuts except one for a downs syndrome charity sponsored by Minions and one for Rolex watches that was 99% about Zendaya and only mentioned watches in the last few seconds.
>>222352439he re establishes all his old relationships (boring), gets a power spike with spider hormones (kinda cool), and is introduced to the future X men Did anyone else find it kind of jarring for Peter to take a bullet for Jean Grey when just a little bit earlier she was bodysnatching people and killing them via getting hit by a car, or a couple others I forgot already
>>222359058Waiting to get my ticket, people ahead of me were buying soder/popcorn combos for $23.I don't think anyone on this board except for a couple of truly planet sized cretins could possibly consoom $23 of corn syrup water and popped corn. Though these two guys a couple rows ahead of me tried; 3 separate trips for refills.
>>222359149I mean by movie logic the old guy hit by the car didn't die, and the hundreds of rounds of twin-linked autocannon rounds fired in the chase scene just disappeared harmlessly.
>>222359149I thought it was funny as hell that MJ discovers his coffee shop note, immediately starts guilting him for not reading this to her in the coffee shop for a reuniting, then transitions to telling him that after reading said note, she doesn't have any romantic feelings or memories in any case.Also, did Ned end up remembering him because he's from a Magic Bloodline?
>>222355312He looks like he smells bad and for that reason I dont like when he's on screen.
Of course Zendaya figured out what was wrong with Peter's device within 10 seconds after it had stumped him for days. Literally "why didnt you programs the synapses collectively." So fucking corny and tired.
>>222359317Because she's le smart MIT graduate girlboss etc etc I just know they're gonna have her fall for spidey again and that "I don't love you" scene was just bait, she's literally Tom's wife so what can you do, but for now, I got Mary JEAN grey
>>222353884A white couple? We can't have that
>>222358841They tell you right on the ticket, anon. Your fault for not reading.
>>222359554I didn't got to AMC, I went to B&B, it did not give that info.
>>222359554Also, commercials are not "additional content" by any stretch of the imagination.
>>222359421I mean all 3 of them are supposed to be geniuses, Ned is tracking him all over the city and beyond, and basically describes how his web shooters work without ever having touched them. They aren't just regular college kids.That's been established for a few movies now.
>>222358841Did the mention any other X-men besides Jean?
>>222359317I wonder if she actually be in the next film?
4 movies in and Peter is STILL not allowed to have his own story without any spillover from some other MCU shittery. These products (that's what they really are, let's be real) are not legitimate Spider-Man movies. They are MCU movies starring Spider-Man, and there's a big difference between those two things. This was my exact criticism with Gunn's Superman, too.
>>222360486t. Whiner who says it’s stupid no other hero cameos when bad things like Void attacking NY or mayor Fisk happen
>>222360486>Gunn's Supermanwhat's wrong with it besides making superman a wimp?
>>222352439kind yeah but also not really. he is spiderbeastmode now, way faster/stronger and has organic webs that are also stronger and more potent. also, the movie sets up spidey to be a part of whatever MCU x-men saga they have planned. peter takes banner's hulk-inhibitor chip and modifies it to be a universal mutation inhibitor to stop his spider DNA from mutating further, then the glowies get their hands on it and will obviously be using it to de-power and imprison mutants in future films featuring x-men. oh also, years pass at the start of the film so spidey is no longer in high school and would be likely mid-20s. oh and new york worships him now, instead of vilifying him like they did for most of the last movie
>>222353223SAAR DO NOT REDEEEEM
>>222360486the fuck are you talking about, no way home is the most spider-man movie to ever shit a web
the webswinging in this one was the best it's looked since the scene where peter is chasing ben's killer in the first raimi movie
I thought it was alright. I know I saw the other movies but they are all really unmemorable
>>222359036Then who invented it smart ass?
>>222354373>spidey is struggling with his DNA mutating the entire movie>jean gets psychically bombarded by a machine designed to push her powers to their limitsit made sense within the plot
>>222361091the versy 1st fiml with him in highscoll was ok?
>>222352439Like, what do you mean that status quo? From the end of NWH, Peter is friends with Ned again, not in romantic relationship with MJ, friends with deWolf and Punisher, and got a powerboost. He also learned it's important to connect with people and shit.>>222354223A mix of tunnel vision, bad writing, and [headcanon]. Jean attacks Damage Control repeatedly, looking for VMAX, and ONLY VMAX. Like, she couldn't mix it up with her sisters name at any point? Didn't even cross her mind? It's flat out stupid that she didn't think to go straight for the head, considering her body jumps give her full access to a persons memories and skills. The only mitigating factor I can think of is that she vastly underestimated how hard this would be for her, and how big of an issue this would spiral into.>>222355521Jean didn't have a change of heart because Peter's a hero, she had a change of heart because Peter finally took May's lesson about being special and having loved ones and shit to heart himself. Punisher's still a crazy loner who lives in a booby trapped boat, and Banner still keeps Hulk in a cage. They also weren't trying to get Jean to have a change of heart either.
>>222353223>it won't change that that ginger actress will be paired with a black manNot after the amount of diversity bombs they got during the past 6 years, sadly for you, they don't want the X-Men to flop and pairing her with a nigger is a big no.
>>222362207>they don't want the X-Men to flopThey don't give a fuck about it flopping. One Spider Man movie makes up for five globohomo flops
>>222362279>One Spider Man movie makes up for five globohomo flopsThey are getting 25% of that money, fucking retarded pooman
>>222360486I actually like that Sony and Marvel use more characters in their solo movies. I guarantee that Superman last year would have done much better with Batman in it or have some other characters in the Supergirl movie. Batman could have just been a side character for one act and it would have pushed the movie over a billion.
>>222359149>Did anyone else find it kind of jarring for Peter to take a bullet for Jean GreyI find it kind of jarring that he can literally dodge hundreds of bullets being shot at him at once and he just just chose to take this one for some reason
better or worse than NWH? found it kinda relied too much on nostalgia
>>222362780Way better. NWH is a nostalgia candy, BND is a real Spider-Man movie.
>>222362780Worse
>>222352396>>222354277>>222354540why is it taking place in Brasil ?
>>222360539Yeah because those are urgent threats that makes no sense why another hero didn’t do shit. When there’s a spider-man movie I just want spider-man & his villains, maybe a side cameo here or there from another hero like Punisher or Torch
>>222354277Zendaya cant be playing a teenager anymore. Even the fatty aged better kek
>>222360486This is a crossover between Sony and Disney, it would be retarded not to take advantage of that from either side
It's funny that Jean Grey's body-possession ability has a range limitation of 33 feet, which is the standard Bluetooth connectivity range limit
>>222354992>chemistrykek
>>222354635it was literally a different time (and medium), anon
>>222352396Worst psrt of this movie is how they made it a point that MJ is the same as before just without memories about peter parker and then they made it a point that she is together with the jeet which is absolutely against her entire character. I rewatched the first 3 movies last week and its absolutely ridiculous that she would go for that guy. Its like they wanted to cuck him for no reason, even if it makes no sense.Also Aunt May is the entire reason everything was fucked up with her moralfag bullshit yet she is portrayed as jesus himself.
Movie should have ended with Jean Grey surrendering herself into custody due to murdering a shitload of people, then the post credits scene is a person in a wheelchair approaching her in prison. Instead this universe has well and truly established that you can be a psychopathic murderer and face no consequences as long as you're a hot chick with childhood trauma.
>>222352439The movie is quite on the nose at one point showing a spider molting video and having characters talk about Peter being a good guy and not needing to hide himself or manipulate his dna. Thats meant to be the theme of the movie but the story does a really, really awful job and seems to forget who are what characters did in the movie or how Peter blacking out and turning violent is fine. The worst thing is jean talking over people and 100% killing multiple people and at one point taking over a guy and getting him intentionally run over. Then at the end of the movie Peter says, “this isn’t you, you aren’t a killer.”The whole movie feels like their was an original plot where jean is dangerous and is evil but then they reshot it and added the punisher. To me it was very obvious the entire movie was reshot and it doesn’t work and the praise the film is getting is weird. I think in retrospect the film will end up being rated worst of the 4 movies
>>222355955>Jean is evil because her sister was kidnapped and tortured and they had an abusive mother. Her sister teaches her that people can't be trusted.Such sob story didn't work for Kilgrave nor Homelander. Fuck off, simp
>>222361029yeah that really stood out to me as well.
>>222364730The current state of superhero movies and even just movies in general is so fucking bad that something like this is relatively amazing.
>>222358577>Has Jean Grey ever not been portrayed as a complete bitch and retard?in basically every cartoon
>>222362852both are shit>BND is a real Spider-Man movie>Jean Grey as a villainlmao
>>222364762But it’s not even a good superhero movie. Like the eternals wasn’t great but atleast it felt like one consistent story. This feels like a focus group frankenstein movie
>>222353884The reason why this exploded is because it's literally the "I can fix her" meme that's super hot with zoomers, compound that with how popular spider man is and it's guaranteedPeople love evil women, you know what else they love? Evil women falling in love
>>222364730>Then at the end of the movie Peter says, “this isn’t you, you aren’t a killer.”What were they thinking? Like she was nearly killing children at the start of the movie lmao
>>222352439Adds new friends who up until this movie he hasn't spoken to on screen>Jean Gray>Punisher>Bruce Banner Updates his rogue gallery>Tombstone>The Hand>Scorpion with the suit, shows him as Spidey's most recurring villain>Turantula>Boomerang >RamrodMakes him realize that just because he has a secret identity doesn't mean he needs to be 100% alone all the time and see's how that eat's people up from seeing how it effected Frank and Jean.>Which gave him the confidence to introduce himself as Peter to Ned, instead of saying his name was Maynerd. And saying "it's Peter" to Hulk instead of introducing himself as Ned to Bruce.Sets up future plot points based on Peter's actions>Making a universal inhibitor is sure to make some people angry when people see his creation and mass produce it and use it on anyone with powers.
>>222352396Nobody is going to be still defending this shit in six months time. It's the 'Force Awakens' of Spider-Man films, only praised now due to hype and in contrast to the absolute Woke shit they've been beaten over the head with lately. But this movie can't stand on its own two feet in the cold light of day.That's not to say there aren't things in it that you can like. Hell, the 'Not Hoth' salt planet in 'The Last Jedi' didn't bother me in and of itself, (it's actually scientifically plausible to have a planet like that and the red/white contrast was at least visually interesting). 'The Force Awakens' had interesting moments. I thought Daisy's costume was appropriate, fit into the Star Wars universe, Kylo's introduction stopping the blaster fire mid-air was promising, and the beachball droid could have worked, etc. Still a shitty movie.So you don't have to hate every aspect of this film to admit Mauler is right:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5nfJdsg9MwPraising Sony's shit is just going to get you more poorly thought-out non-stories with perfunctory emotional beats. Imperfect as it was, 'No Way Home' had actual emotional beats and heroic themes, but this film only has a weak simulation of them that require the audiences stupidity to buy into. Just like you had to buy into the hype and bullshit of 'The Force Awakens' to think you were watching a real 'Star Wars' movie worth a damn.
Zendaya and Tom Holland are married in real life and have not had even one sexy scene in a movie. Disney sucks.
>>222365616That's because Zendaya is his beard
>>222352439He is less sad in the end
>>222359971Theres a girl in a bus at one point with Rogue hair.
>>222365616>Sony sucksftfy. Daredevil show is still having sex scenes, there was a sex scene in eternals, there was a sex scene in She-Hulk, they showed agatha naked.
>>222366403not her
>>222362425He was being held telekinetically. He forced his way through the telekinesis in order to get to her. He's also in dreamland when the weapon is about to be fired.
>>222354353It's not 'capeshit fatigue' my friend. It TRULY is 'bad movie fatigue'.Think about it, the fact that so many fags went to see this day one tells you there's still no shortage of demand, and you know it's POSSIBLE to write good capeshit. People came looking for it in the last place they got it, ('No Way Home'). Some of those people are deluding themselves they DID actually get what they were looking for, but they're going to wake up to reality sooner or later, and then we'll see how many rush to the next one.The dialogue was absolute dreck. You're being told that something emotional just happened, and you're expected to take it as read, or fill in the blanks. It has long been an issue with Zoomshit 'modern' CW-level writing. This is not the worst example, but it's bad.Anyone who truly understands the origin of the term 'Mary Sue' knows it's not just the 'impossibly skilled female self-insert that everybody inexplicably loves' that's the real underlying problem, that's just symptomatic.The real problem is that shitty writing is all the same. The original Mary Sue article was a parody of bad Trek fanfic submissions by non-writers and the uncanny similarities.Basically if you pulled random unqualified people off the street and got them to write a story, (which is basically what DEI does IRL), you'd quickly notice the same recurring patterns/themes. It's an old-as-dirt observation that if you got a bus driver to write a story, the hero would very likely be a bus driver and the story would happen in a bus depot. So what do you think happens when you get a feminist activist to write a story? You get the same old (bad) amateur shit. Even though in their case they DO conspire, there's actually no conspiracy required to be all the same shit.The pattern here is a distracting lack of logical connective tissue and perfunctory emotional beats. You ACTUALLY felt it when Garfield saved Zendaya last time. You were SUPPOSED to feel shit this time but didn't.
>>222359971during the hospital scene there is a cyclops easter egg near all of the drawings
>>222362780you can actually rewatch brand new day and not cringe, unlike no way home. also brand new day feels like a movie that takes place in an actual city, i get that no way home was filmed during covid but there are no civilians in that movie
>>222363448their characters college graduates what are you saying? that's literally the whole peter parker plot of the film is that his friends who he tried so hard to forget about moved, back to nyc after graduating... why did you open this thread if you didn't even watch the trailer?
>>222364510That jeet wasn't the one from their high school class, anon.
>>222363622it was only 33 feet for the beginning of the film, once she found out about sara it ended up being at least 40+ >>222365449I wish there was at least 1 line or a news broadcast about daredevil being in prison, you would think peter would care about his lawyer being publicly outed as a hero
>>222366438I hope not because Rogue needs to be way hotter and styled like Evolution
>>222365602>maulermovie was good, cope chud
>>222366581Prove him wrong. PROTIP: You can't.
>>222352396yall eight year olds or 3rd worlders cooming over this shit??
>>222366612>Y'allBut anon, you're the third worlder.
>>222358903the 90s spiderman animated show
>>222352396>how are these basic humans even [giving] him any trouble[?]The power scaling in modern capeshit is all so tiresome.
>>222365449All that relationshit should've been a 30-minute TV special that aired 2 months prior to the film, at best.Spider-Man movies are supposed to actually progress his relationships in huge ways, not a few basic bitch no-shit-Sherlock steppings stones across a creek way.
>>222366581tranny nigger faggot kikeAll they have is "chud," lol, it's the meme.
Honestly really disappointed with the Punsiher scenes. He seemed stupid in this movie. Also wish we got more hulk. Idk. Feels like the movie needed some cannon fodder enemies do those two to deal with.
>>222367713This. Ordinary guns and small arms are completely useless against the Hulk, which made the Punisher scenes look stupid
>>222365602>Mauler
>>222352439He'll get blacksuit in secret wars and jean will save him from his mental
At the rate these films are coming out, Tom, Zendaya and Jacob are going to be in their 40s when they go to college.
>>222368135What? The film ends with them all graduated
>>222355521Sorry bro but you literally missed the point. Jean didn't turn face because she saw peter had a sob story. She did it because of aunt mays speech. That you being a freak just inherently means that people will try to persecute you. Also (someone) will be there for you. She connects the dots because peter is just like her, lost someone unfairly, but instead of either being a revenged marauder (punisher) or an unhinged nihilist (jean) he chooses just to help people, save people, and show mercy towards persecutors while still stopping them. He also reaches out and forgives enemies (jean grey). So if he can forgive her and try to help her, try to pull HER out of her rut why can't she do the same for damage control? provided they actually try to change? It was everything taught by the last movie TO PETER by aunt may (and the other spider men) and now HE was the one implementing that himself. This movie wasn't his training arc it was his test arc. Its jeans training arc. Last movie peter was the apprentice, now hes the master.
How are they going to deal with the fact that Tom is pushing 31 playing a 22 year old? He'll be 35 or so when the next film releases
>>222368240Time skip
>>222364730"with great power comes great responsibility" its a spiderman theme as old as time. They did it to spidey (his chimpouts), hulk, and then jean. Message is obviously leading into the new xmen movie. You have powers that are dangerous but through self control you can be the hero not the villian. So please don't persecute people guys.
>>222353223producers already said no miles till peters dead. sorry you'll have to keep your cock caged another 5 years at least :)
So is punisher just allowed to go around punishing people now? Because in DD S2 and S1 of his own show he was constantly in hiding because he was a wanted man.
The first three Spiderman flicks are basically in short "Peter finally grows up and actually realizes what being a super hero means beyond heroic idealism." with the end of No Way Home basically setting up the traditional status quo of Spidey struggling between being a hero and just Peter Parker; the three films are like a very, VERY extended set-up character introduction.So what actually happens in this movie? >>222352439 asks a valid question. Because this film logically should be THE film to set up the rest of Spiderman's life:>Working at the buggle/as a photographer>His love life to MJ Wattson which is nigh divine/once in a century in nature>Rest of his traditional rogues, namely Venom>His key friendships with other New York based supers like Daredevil or F4However they've taken some pretty big liberties in their vision of the spider mythos, for lack of a better term which in turn means characters like Ned or Zendaya's MJ are here to stay no matter what...
>>222353884
I would have been better if peter just let ned and mj go.
>>222363052https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FmGTRuQ8J1E
>>222354460>No muttdayathis artist is based
>>222354663>>222354622she has no game lmao
>>222354990>Peter knew she was mudshark so he dodgedThat new spidey sense is strong.
What’s the point of the power boost? So his senses are stronger and his webs too. Now does that affect his future stories in any meaningful way?
>>222368617So is he tho
>>222354277God Sadie Sink is so hot. They should kill off that mystery meat bitch and the fat SEA monkey and have Peter's new friends be Jean and Harry Osbourne.
Spiderman fucking Phoenix sounds hot.
>>222356448You mean Peter owes Jean Grey sex
>>222359279Accurate woman writing desu.
>>222360486Why would people want that? That would be boring. I'd rather feel like spider-man lives in a vibrant fleshed out world.
>>222361149umm...erhhm...eemmm....
>>222362383What they had tons. Guys first movie appearence I think, hawkgirl. Idk if lexes henchmen were from the comics.
>>222364855found the timmy
>>222366507Legitmately how was anyone supposed to tell the difference?
>>222368462ikr
>>222369047They literally show you a close up of both of the jeets in this film within about 40 seconds of each other.
>>222369241but how do you know which is more important
>>222355521>>Punisher is a much more tragic character than Peter and being inside his mind and Banner didn't make her have a change of heart, even though both of them lost way more and are still good people The Punisher is not a good person lmao. Not even Frank considers himself to be a good person.
>>222367713>He seemed stupid in this movie.How? >Was following the hi-jacked tank trying to stop it before Spidey showed up>Had a cool home base with a bunch of booby traps>Home base full of tools to make his weapons, which is why Spidey was able to fix his inhibitor>Used stolen DODC tech during the fight with the Hulk (threw the shocker tech grenade and shot it)>Let Spider-Man know everyone 1km from the island was mind wiped and that he had to hurry up, saw he was taking too long and took the shot. If he didn't have spidey sense Frank would have been NYC's hero.>Came up with the plan for Peter to escape the Hospital
>>222369326nta but that's not what he's saying, he is saying that Jean was able to stop herself from killing Metzger because she saw Aunt May in Peter's mind and realized he lost her and how it was all his fault. Punisher lost his wife and 2 kids because of an old friend of his he trusted, how did seeing that have no effect on Jean and instead we just get a comedic "this guys got issues" line? Hulk is a main avenger btw people would have loved to see a scene on what's actually going on inside Hulk's mind, we haven't gotten a movie and this would have been great chance to learn more about Hulk and his son and how Bruce feels about that.
>>222355521>An omega level mutant that is also considered one of the empathetic peoplePfffffthahahahahahhahahahahaa, read a book, Jean is a fucking cunt.
>>222369467>Punisher lost his wife and 2 kids because of an old friend of his he trustedis that really the MCU backstory for punisher? his whole motivation is (supposed to be) that his family was killed by random, senseless street violence. that's why he wants to kill all street level criminals indiscriminately.
>>222367792He didn't know he was going to fight the Hulk when he went to go help Peter. He went to go shoot some girl. Peter didn't even know Hulk was there until he saw him.
>>222369382What do you mean how? For starters, he didn’t stop the tank. He got stopped effortlessly by spidey, and if he did stop the tank, he would have been executing an innocent woman because in the film he just shoots first and asks no questions. He also completely blundered the hulk fight which was going fine until he showed up. He did nothing to hulk but piss him off, and his presence in that fight allowed Jean to take control of him and almost kill the department of defence guys. Spidey had to come in last minute to save the day. That’s not to mention that spidey explicitly warned him about getting too close. He put no resistance. He got mind controlled instantly. He also spends the entire film killing no criminals and when he finally does hit someone with a lethal bullet, it ends up being Spider-Man. The irony of this is that spidey spent the entire film consistently asking him to stop trying to kill people. At the end of it all he forces Spider-Man to reveal his identity to him because of his blunder, and has to make a fool of himself in the hospital to make it up to him. He was incompetent throughout the entire film.
>>222370308in the mcu it's a drug sale at a park (sting operation) but they found out it was a sting and it turned into a shootout but one of the zogbots that was part of the sting was his friend. he doesn't find this out until years later and it's the last guy he has to kill from that day
>>222368380Yeah, that was the one part of the film I had trouble with. The tonal whiplash of Frank being able to not only move around Manhattan with a full arsenal, but walking around cops. In DD S2 he exclusively killed a bunch of mob bosses and their underlings and the police had to do a citywide manhunt to stop him.
>>222369467Why would it have any effect on Jean when it's just more evidence that the way she thinks is correct? Someone with special skills trusted someone and as a result lost their family. That wouldn't change the mind of someone with special skills who trusted someone and as a result lost their family. It had to be Peter and it had to be May.
>>222370308>BY RANDOM, SENSELESS STREET VIOLENCE WITH NO RACE, NATIONALITY, OR SKIN COLOR
>>222352396>Whenever Aunt May was on screen I was bonedfixed
>>222370308Yeah. I think they wanted the reason behind his family’s deaths to be closely related to him for drama. It sucks but if you can get passed it the Punisher show isn’t half bad.
>>222370552>He lost to SpideyYeah, duh.>All he does is piss off HulkWhile Peter is trying to avoid doing exactly that. Except it turns out that pissing off the Hulk is what breaks Jean's mind control of the unstoppable monster and gives Peter a chance to end the fight and save lives.>Man with gun loses to JEAN GREYYeah, duh.>In the end, Frank's bloodlust makes him almost lose a friendYes, that's called "consequences". It's a frequent part of Punisher's story. >He has to make a fool of himselfIt was his plan and we see him having fun doing it. Peter is the first person in Frank's life that isn't rooted in Frank's trauma. He gets to sit around teasing him and joking and laughing like a normal person. This is a good thing. It's good characterisation. And his plan at the end works, for the cherry on the cake.
>blatant copaganda>zendaya mid as ever>blonde black widow has an awful russian accent. didn’t even try.>cum joke was funny>hulk was a cool addition but should have done more>realistic crashout from peter after his bitch gets stolen >should have fucked elevator qt>fatass filipino annoyingtobey trilogy mogs
>>222367713Everything about the movie was fucking retarded.Just accept that this shit gay capeshit is dead, with a few exceptions every now and then like Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four (I hate Pedro, but it's a great movie).
>>222357305He's married to Zendaya. They can't blatantly cuck her like that sadly. I still think killing her off Gwen Stacy style is the best way to do things
>>222370709No marketer, I'm not watching these, stop insisting.
>>222370700>Blatant copagandaIs this literally your first glimpse into Spider-Man?
>>222368380>>222370574Punisher was in hiding up until Punisher One Last Kill (released a couple months ago) and in that film he kills everyone that is hunting and searching for him. So now that Fisk left NY, the AVTF arrested, and the mobsters and gangsters looking for frank are all dead he can finally be Punisher again. It was his setup into the brand new day appearance.
>>222354665Very cute actress, I also loved how her voice was weirdly mature
>>222370700>blonde black widow has an awful russian accent. didn’t even try.ironic because scarjo gave up on the accent and tried even less than pugh
>>222370552>be hospital staff>masked vigilante is brought in with a high caliber rifle wound to centermass>hide your eyes as you remove his mask and treat him
>>222370674>yeah he jobbed>yeah it all accidentally worked out in the end>yeah he jobbed>yeah he’s frequently a retard>yeah but Peter forgives himDid you forget what you’re supposed to be arguing for? You’re just confirming that he was, in fact, a stupid fuck up in this film.
>>222370757>scarjo gave up on the accentI don't remember her ever speaking English with a Russian accent.
>>222370709wait a minute you like fantastic snore and power of friendshipbolts but hate spiderkino?
>>222370736Yeah, but he's still the Punisher. He's driving around Manhattan shooting grenade launchers in broad daylight.
>>222370778iron man 2 but she dropped it once avengers came out
>>222370709>F4 is a great movieNo it’s fucking not. It’s a legit 0/10 complete snoozefest. It had no plot, no action scenes, no jokes, no memorable lines or moments. Just awful all the way through.
>>222370781i get you, it's not a perfectly explanation but it works enough to explain why he's punishing in this movie
>>222370728Good, great, idc. Go watch The Goonies again, or Logan's Run, whatever, fucking Airplane or A Shot in the Dark. I'm just telling you what was good.And how the fuck is it "marketing" to state X and Y movies in franchise A are good while movies B through W in the same franchise are all garbage?
>>222370779I would not be surprised to learn yidsney marketers are trying to neuter BND because it's sony's. And, wouldn't you know, these exact unlikable losers are the leading stars on snoresday, funny cohencidence.
>>222370763Man with gun not beating THE HULK and JEAN GREY is not evidence of incompetence on the man's behalf. Him not being a fine red mist painting the interior walls of Damage Control HQ is evidence of his extreme competence.I understand you're still having an autistic fit about this, but at some point the reasoning side of your brain must kick into action, no?
>>222370781There's also a tank blowing people up so you know, priorities.
>>222370819>How is it marketing to tell you not to watch the Sony movie and instead go watch the Disney movies?Hmmm
>>222370736ahhh, didn't watch it but just looked at the trailer and saw frank crying and screaming so I won't be watching it. Hopefully this means he won't be in hiding during Daredevil born again season 3 and can do stuff
It was a long ride of a movie that avoided feeling long most of the time. It did all the characters justice, the regression of Bruce Banner/Hulk was very well done.Jean being a relatively amoral, selfish person heedless of consequences (ie a teenager) was pretty good imo. This is why mutants would be dreaded, give a tween/teenager phenomenal cosmic power and they are going to do stupid, dangerous shit with it non-stop. They just are. Most of them are going to lack the incredibly wise and understanding adult that Peter has.(the scenes with May hit pretty hard, though of course everyone wishes it was the mind-Ghost of Ben). I still like MJ and Ned. Glad we didn't need some backstory for Scorpion.JJJ was missed, but he's getting soooo up in years, his sticky will be epic. I think Jameson is practically un-recastable.Spider-Man as a character is the perfect balance of wild superhuman powers and human vulnerability that is missing from both Superman and Batman. His look is also ultra-iconic, he probably sets the bar too high for other superhero movies, especially if 2 billies becomes his regular.8.5/10 movie, will see in theaters again.
>>222370819>Disney doesn't make money off of the partnership movie they made with Sony>the same movie that already made a billion dollars in 4 days>so don't go see it, because I don't want that movie to succeedKill yourself.
>>222370854Oh my god you fucking dumb cunt. I said the film made him seem like a retarded jobber. Not that he should be beating Jean and Hulk. That’s why my initial post said the film needed some canon fodder for him, so that he doesn’t spend the entire film copping Ls.
>>222371028I liked when the negro said "people like you can't be trusted with that kind of power, you're dangerous. Anyway, people like me need to torture that power out of little girls until they die so we can mind control Bin Laden into blowing up Israel to get some fucking CASH MONEY BABYYYY"
>>222352439No, that is totally false, unless your only yardstick for “character progress” is “does he get a gf.” This is aside from Spidey 2 from Raimi probably the most character development we’ve ever seen on screen of the character. Peter was a standout in this movie, if it weren’t for the extremely juvenile writing even beyond the average comic book movie it probably would have actually been poignant.Was I the only one that felt there were multiple shots or line deliveries that were extremely jarring? Some of the time I would have a double take like I was watching an amateur Youtube video ”movie.”
>>222370894>>222371107God-fucking dammit, tagged myself by accident.
Kamala has a strict, supportive family and becomes responsible (eventually)I dig the idea that Xavier will basically be saving the world from the randumb rampages and drama of really young people and kids getting super-powers and scaring the fuck out of the older generations.It's better than the Holocaust/Racisms/Bigotry angle IMO and I hope they lean into it.
>>222371118And I'm explaining to you why you're wrong. If an atom bomb landing on your head only knocks you out, you're not a jobber because you didn't beat the bomb. I can't dumb this down any further Ranjeet.
>>222371135>So angry he can't even quote correctlyYidsney marketer FUMING he got caught lol
>>222371134>Was I the only one that felt there were multiple shots or line deliveries that were extremely jarring?Any you can think of from the top of your head? I know his accent slipped a couple of times back to English, but that was about it for me.
>>222371120Yeah, Mind Control/Possession is the absolute Gold Star genie-wish super-power, everyone would be tempted to exploit the shit out of that. Comparatively turning yourself into steel or punches from the punch dimension are a nothingburger. I do like that they establish SOME limits to her normal use of her powers (at least the possession part) and that it's not just "I read all your thoughts/make you do my bidding/why haven't I solved the entire movie plot with my abilities."
>>222371158>didn't read meme>or did read meme and trying to troll by pretending to be retardedDon't watch any Disney product ever again, even if it's a torrent, retard. Torrenting still gives them money by people still bringing up the movies in threads, thereby reaching more normies who can't into free real estate.Anon, I genuinely think we'd get along irl and could talk all day about the holobunga and giant electric chairs and anus gas pumps with nearly non-stop laughter. Please stop trolling for trolling's sake.
>>222371169You don't have to feed it you know, you can converse with me, who appreciated the movie.People who enter threads to shit all over the topic just want to be fed, you can't reason them to your point of view.
>>222371140You should spend less time trying to explain things to people and more time learning to comprehend the posts you reply to so that no one has to suffer through your moronic arguments ever again.
>>222371203Except they could have just gone through the X-Men comics route of young being having that omega level potential, but not in control of her powers as much, meaning her psyhic have natural limits and are tied to her levels of stress akin to Bruce Banner turning into the Hulk when enraged.
>>222371228Feed what? The post I replied to was a normal post. It even defended the characterisation shown in the film.
>>222371250That's literally what they did. But with an awakening rather than a constant push/pull based on stress.
Since there is a mandate that at least one MCU main character appears in the MCU spider-man movies, who do you want to be in the next movie?
>>222371247I accept your concession. Next time you think about getting into an argument about shit you can't comprehend, don't.
>>222371250I feel you can overplay that, and she's relatively clumsy in the IDEAS she uses to infiltrate her enemies, its almost as if she anticipates failing to infiltrate them.But I wouldn't want to see every last mutant kid "accidentally" harming others, the Grey were just too Satan for Mom and had the scariest abilities possible that weren't turning into werewolves. They get dumped onto the streets (New York even!) and have to gypsy about to survive. I guess the Mother tells the neighbors they ran away? Does everyone think she Chris Watts'd them?
>>222352396quintessential /tv/ postPure dumb contrarian review from a guy to dumb to know anything10/10 no notes
>>222371291>Since there is a mandate that at least one MCU main character appears in the MCU spider-man moviesIt's a great mandate. It broadens Spidey's world, Disney controls 99% of the characters anyway.Daredevil is always welcome. Cloak and Dagger would be good. Some Moon Knight crazy would also be welcome.
Could a Morbin' Time guest appearance salvage the reputation of Morbius?Is recasting Blade even feasible after Deadpool & Wolverine, or is there only ONE Blade?
>>222371378There's only been one Blade. There's only ever gonna be one Blade
>>222371421I approve of this message.
>>222371280>>222371312Sorry, I typed like a retard.I haven't seen the movie yet, but I don't particularly give a fuck about spoilers. Nevertheless from what I've seen and red, the writing is(?) inconsistent with her powers somewhat. She can possess single individuals and mindfuck them, and can "jump" into a new host? But she also spikes in power and holds the entire city hostage?I don't get it. In the very original run of X-Men, as I said she was one of the weaker members of the team, she had TK and Telepathy but the scope was very limited and she was clumsy. It was Chris Claremont run which finally shot the X-Men into star power and Claremont tweaking Jean's character with the Omega class powers (which Xavier restrained in her youth). Pardon the yap, but I do think writing character with TK/TP powers is difficult because they can pretty much always logically solve most if any problems the plot has, no? Especially someone like Jean Grey who at the peak of her powers (even without the phoenix force) is capable of basically mindcontrolling the entire planet and has TK on a molecule level or some such shit.I mean, look at X3, at the end that Jean hasn't nearly as much damage, and Logan still kills her just to make sure the world is safe.
>>222371291I think the general consensus, which I agree with too, is Daredevil/Fisk.
>>222371491She's a telepath with a 33 foot range to her jumps. If she wants to possess someone 100 feet away, she needs 3 people between her and that person to chain her telepathic jumps to her. She's not even telekinetic when the film begins.
The funniest part of the movie is the fact he eats Little Caesars pizzaNew Yorkers would kill a guy for doing that
>>222371491She has roughly a 30ish foot limit on her abilities, two people are already shown to either ignore her possession (Spidey) or break it (Hulk, naturally).She only uses (crazy amounts) of TK at the very end, under incredible duress and technological influence.She seems to be at a pretty good power level for a team book without being stupidly "My Powers don't work under these conditions".And she's not a genius about using her abilities, which is a plus.
>>222371547That perfect way to show how depressed he is.
>>222371547NYers are pizza-snobs, Pete's gotta eat cheap after blowing it all on computer monitors and electronics.
>>222368408It's just another bait-and-switch for classic fans, like Lara Croft getting her twin pistols at the end, but then using the stupid fucking Hunger Games bow and arrow again like that never happened, so you never get real Lara, it's just a perpetual cocktease.Though I'm also cynical enough to see that they left the Zendaya shit ambiguous enough that Sony's negotiations with the actors would be easier next time - just like the last film.ie. If the increasingly expensive cunt wants too much money, it's easier to write her out.Because this made money and faggots are praising it, she's likely going to get paid for another film, increasing the production cost, with her and Holland making typical faggot actor demands that negatively affect the quality further, and help kill the franchise - for Holland at least.It's like, do you think RDJ is playing Dr. Doom for any kind of valid artistic reason? That boneheaded decision is obviously because the studio fucked the MCU up - again for retarded non-artistic reasons, (feminist/woke shit), and went crawling back thinking he can fix it and make them money again. But he's too expensive AND makes stupid demands like not wanting to play Stark again, (because he wants to do 'real' acting, like all these faggots), so they had to offer him some kind of 'variety' so he could feel better about himself and his career. It's never enough for these faggot actor arseholes to play a beloved character and get more money than Tony Stark himself. They all have a desperate desire to think they're Laurence fucking Olivier too once they get it.Gives me a lot of respect for actors who can just embrace a popular character and their good fucking fortune, like Peter Falk and Columbo. But chances are if he played a capeshit character he'd have had some special kind of problem with that due to pressure from his actor mates who wouldn't consider it 'real' acting, like there's any fucking difference.
>>222371584Lol.
>>222371626>It's like, do you think RDJ is playing Dr. Doom for any kind of valid artistic reason?RDjr has more than earned the benefit of the doubt here.>(feminist/woke shit)Now I am sorry I even replied.
I wish they would kill that half-cast Muttzaya and that fat geeky SEA monkey and replace them with Harry and Jean
>>222371169Actually, in the vein of your example, there were multiple times when he was speaking with the black police chief that he put on an over-the-top New Yorker accent. I wondered at the time whether he was doing it to try and hide his identity but it’s never when he’s speaking to her in other scenes, just these ones. It makes me wonder whether they had originally intended him to have the accent and axed it or if they didn’t notice the accent was that bad and left it in.>>222371228I liked the movie anon, I don’t suck a movie’s dick just because I like things in it. There was a lot that could have been improved, I think that about some of the greatest films ever made. This board seriously needs to return to sanity.
>>222371626Zendaya would have to get horrendously expensive in a backup girlfriend role to get pushed out of a franchise that has repeatedly pulled a billion dollars opening week.And the publicity from the role is worth a lot more than $$ to her career, she can always get paid to piss you off in other movies.
>>222371544>>222371582I'm not gonna lie lads, though on paper that sounds like it makes sense at first glance; my guts tells me it's retarded. Maybe I just have too much capeshit fatigue.I guess a simple stress test is in order. Could she have basically solved the main plot of the film (finding about her sister) by simply mand whacking the glow nigger chief? Because if the answer is yes, we got ourselves a problem.>>222371626Yeah... I thought as much.
>>222371715There were times (like on the phone) where he is clearly affecting an OUTRAGEOUS Yorker accent to conceal his real voice, he's done that in some of the other movies, when he's regularly dealing with people he might meet as Peter in real life.
>>222371667No one ever earns the benefit of the doubt. When will you people learn this, how many times do you have to go through the same song and dance before you get it
>>222368408Do you really need you really need to see the traditional spidey stuff? It's the 9th Peter Parker movie and the 11th Spider-man movie. Do you need to see him working as a photographer? Like he's been a teacher, a scientist, and a ceo in the comics. You may not like it but the character has indeed grown. He shouldn't be pretty much locked in amber for the rest of his existence.
>>222371721She only gets like a second of exposure to the main bad guy before she's neutralized. He's usually holed up in a building that you have to pass through metahuman scanners to enter.
>>222371755>No one ever earns the benefit of the doubt.Until Downey fails to entertain the shit out of me in a Marvel flick, I give him that benefit.
>>222371582>She has roughly a 30ish foot limit on her abilitiesAre Americunts even aware that in metric 33 feet is pretty much exactly 10 metres and how retardedly convenient that distance sounds to the rest of the planet?
>>222371740Funnily enough “OUTRAGEOUS” was exactly what I had typed —caps and all— before replacing it with “over-the-top” lol. That makes sense, it’s kind of what I thought at first. It was so odd though here because he talks to her in person just fine. I guess they didn’t want to ruin the tension of him sounding goofy with a thick accent in dramatic scenes, or perhaps it’s to show Peter is still rather dull when it comes to matters of deception as he forgets to apply it when in the flesh.
>>222371721It's literally the exact same thing you specifically requested they do. Genuinely what the fuck is wrong with you?
>>222371827Posts made months before disaster
>>222371838He was doing that same voice as Spider-Man to Ned and MJ in the previous films too, it's his consistent "I AM NOT PETER PARKER" voice.>>222371832>Do Americans care about this European system...You already know the answer to this question
>>222371879Maybe so, maybe so. But I stand by it. I'm not going to be a Negative Nancy all year about it.
>>222371887Well I guess the real question is did they notice the specific distance her psychic powers can travel is the exact same distance of an old Bluetooth headset?Is that why they're called the 'uncanny' X-Men?
>>222371764Actually, yes. And not just yes, but fuck yes. It is the core of his character. All those things you mention come only after a long and very eventful career and events which shape Peter as Spiderman. All of these events as far as I can tell have been subverted. The critique of us having to endure "Spider-boy" instead "Spiderman" are IMO very valid, and if this flick isn't adressing that, I'm not just not interested. And neither is a bunch of other people.>But it made over a billionCall me cynical, but I predict there is gonna be the Force Awakens effect, another anon touched upon in this thread already. Its diminishing returns.
>>222371832Literally none of us care. We don’t even care about your seething, amusing as it is. I am going to forget you ever even existed after I press post.
>>222371939That's funny. Not hilarious but funny.
>>222371907That’s a fair position, no reason to dwell on something that hasn’t happened yet.
>>222371771>>222371855I am autistic and a sweaty lore purist, please be patient.
>>222371967It's a fresh take on a character. Maybe in 20 years they'll make a slavishly accurate comic Parker for you.>And neither is a bunch of peopleI feel Sony is satisfied with the audience Spidey-but-for-Zoomers is reaching, I don't think they were necessarily shooting for 5 billies.
>>222371939Heh
>>222372004See, I can appreciate the first 2 Hellboy movies AND the Hellboy comics lore simultaneously, I guess I have more balanced brain chemistry.
>>222371297You did it again retard. Your reading comprehension is horrendous.
>>222371967>and a ceo in the comics.Fun fact: those were part of Brand New Day era which this movie gleefully ignores, just like the titular so-called classic villain. Tells you how much it matters even for the people batting for these cancerous growths.Now jump off a fucking bridge already Feige, holy shit, yes, I want to see traditional Spider-Man stuff.
>>222371967Where would you put the job in this movie?I mean it seems you're upset that it's not purely comic book Peter Parker (who hasn't even been a photographer in like two decades) but where would you put that? Plus they are evolving the character so it doesn't need a whole get together with MJ arc like each of the Raimi ones did
>>222370790Wrong. She never has a russian accent.How come you're really stupid and really worthless?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT2b5KzMoC0
>>222371973It's symptomatic of shitty writing. Instead of changing it up even slightly, they just use ten metres or have some retarded justification in their own mind, like Zoomers will find that distance 'relatable' because they use Bluetooth or whatever. When the end result is mentally distracting to anyone trying to just watch a film about some bitch with psychic powers being experimented on where they go out of their way to use 'teh science' to determine her effective range and don't wind up with some less-rounded number as you'd expect.Just one example of what nobody in the audience's brain should be doing instead of watching the film, along with asking questions like, "Why doesn't this dumb bitch just mentally possess the literal glownigger and find out where her sister is?"This kind of shit compounds and compounds until it takes you out of the film completely, unless you're a total tard, which is why you need your film to not violate logic entirely. Good writers maintain some semblance of verisimilitude by not being total retards writing shit that only other retards can enjoy.
>>222372121Make it your life's goal to grow up, leave home and DIRECT the Spider-Man movie you want to see then!
>>222372099Your concession was sufficient Lewis.
>>222371028>JJJ was missed,I dont remember him from any of the MCU movies.
>>222367713I thought it was beyond mediocre. Jean makes for a terrible villain. Most of the action sucked, punisher was dickless (and I love burnthal), hulk was just a tool to make jean more fun in action. The drama with his friends not knowing him was lame. Can't believe some people said it was better than no way home, the question is if its even as good as the 2nd movie. Also ill say it again, scorpion should helm his own movie with a powerboost, make him the modern Doc Ock
>>222371334>a guy to dumb to know anythingPottery.
>>222372153NTA but kys retard.
>>222372180He's the one who outs Peter as Spider-Man with the Mysterio footage.
>>222372150>"Why doesn't this dumb bitch just mentally possess the literal glownigger and find out where her sister is?"1. She's never met the guy2. She's never met the guy3. She's never met the guyShe's been at it maybe a week trying to find people with answers, and her only clue is a red-herring. It probably took her some time to figure out that it was Damage Control that even put the grab on sis. All she remembers is guys piling out of a van, then blacking out as her Sister puppeted her.You are approaching Jameson levels of "I want to be angry at this Spider-Man". It's not entertaining, and you ARE here to entertain me.
>>222372121Brand New Day in the comics was just establishing the status quo more than anything but you can't do that in movie
>>222372150I cannot imagine your life. One where you're too stupid to understand capeshit and think that a normal piece of information everyone carries with them is the distance in feet that a bluetooth connection can be maintained lmao.For the record, there's literally one moment that she can get into the glowie head and it's AFTER she knows what happened to her sister.
>>222352396Off to a good start.
>>222372238It's basically impossible for her to possess anyone even close to him and not know who he is or which direction to look. She could be in and out without any theatrics or explosions and he wouldn't even fucking remember it.This is the equivalent of Charles Xavier building a mech suit so he can go beat up his enemies with his fists. Retarded - and so are you.
>>222369241I wasn't him I couldn't twll the difference either. Maybe they shouldn't have made it so dark and they should have said his name really loudly.
>>222372283lol, can't even keep the movie they just watched straight. I can see why you're defending it retard.
>>222371547Corny ass reddit comment and it was obviously a product placement.
Why didn't they give J Jonah Jameson at least a cameo? JK Simmons isn't getting any younger
>>222372018Funnily enough. Take those three films and Spidey's appearances in other MCU flicks and change just a few key details to be more comic accurate and I can tell you there probaly would have been a flawless MCU Spidey.>>222372018That is fair. The Milla Jovovitch RE movies for example are pure insanity. But I find them entertaining.>>222372132I don't give a shit. "Evolving the character" only works if>We've seen the classic stuff in this iteration.>Adding up to the canon is actually well done.That's the shitty excuse of deconstructing everything, subverting everything and not only that doing it in an extremely shitty way (which MCU has a massive track record of)
>>222371715Even the chief's accent was inconsistent. Sometimes it would sound new yorkery and sometimes it would sound puerto ricany. I hated her character. Has the NYPD ever had a female police chief? LA hasnt.
>>222372310What a worthless post.
>>222370700you black?
>>222370752Shes a grown woman.
>>222372238Watson, I suspect we are dealing with a shadowy villain known as Moriarty. I shall locate this fiend by driving a tank into Piccadilly Circus and setting off a bomb killing civilians, that should flush the blighter out!>I say Sherlock, that seems a little extreme. Why don't you just use your famous powers of deduction instead?It's elementary my Dear Watson, and the reader will be left to figure out why I would do such a thing under the assumption that I'm very smart and such a deviation from the obvious makes perfect sense somehow. Come Watson, to Piccadilly Circus in haste ...
>>222372393How does JJJ's "spiderman is a menace" talking point work now that everyone knows Spiderman is an Avenger that fought Thanos?
>>222370779yea thunderbolts was gay af
>>222372409>Funnily enough.Kill yourself.
>>222372536nigger jew is mad lmao
>>222372409Idk why you need to see the classic stuff every fucking timeThat's what derailed the Maguire and Garfield moviesYou can't fit 64 years of comic history into a 2 hour movieYou've got to pick some stuff and then you've got to move on
>>222372310Which X-Men didn't do something bad as a result of their powers awakening and them not knowing how to control it?
>>222372310What's this stupid cunt talking about? Muggas are all horrible people.
>>222371348>nigger and tranny would be good
>>222372592>Idk why you need to see the classic stuff every fucking timeHe has autism. He needs the routine or it upsets him. Same reason they watch The Office 45 times in a row.
>>222365616>had to watch his wife mack on a fat dude and indian flash
>>222372608Like America Chavez where her dog stepped on a bee and she vaporized her dyke parents or whatever?
>>222372630
I'm the OP of this thread and I just want to say thanks to everyone that posted and talked about Spiderman. Shout out to everyone that agreed with me.
>>222372659Na he's right about Cloak and Dagger. That shit's gay.
>>222371626Good. Stark should stay dead. Honestly instead of multiverse shit they should have just used makeup/costuming and he could do a funny voice and play a new character. Look at depp he looks so different in every movie I don't even recognize his real form.
>>222372592>Welcome to Ice Cream bar, what would you like?>A chocolate ice cream please>Here you go, enjoy>Wtf? Why did you give me a caramel ice cream?>Ah, that's where you are wrong, we gave you chocolate ice cream, it's just evolved. No refunds>Thats nonsense, please give me what I ordered>You're a toxic customer, help! Police!Fuck off.
>>222372711Newspaper photographers dont exist in 2026, retard. Get over it.
>>222372711If you only ever want the old spider, read the comics or watch the cartoon or watch the old movies that you enjoyed
>>222372683They fucked up the multiverse shit, it could have been cool to get some of the old characters back, like a good Dr. Who episode with the previous actors.The old skool comics know how to use that shit and that nobody's ever really gone. But the MCU is just full of wankery and faggot actor behind-the-scenes horseshit. I was actually shocked it managed to crawl over the Endgame finish line as intact as it was.
>>222372759Dumb negro.>>222372764Yes.
>>222370567ok that's not as bad as you first made it seem then, still gives him a reason to hate criminals
With all these posts, it's making want to see this movie. It not sounding like the past 7 years of marvel garbage we have been give. Sounds like a breath of fresh air.
>>222372865It's not great, people are a little too high on getting rid of Watts and Holland not being a redditor for the entire runtime.
>>222372841>AI summarylol
>>222372841>erm akshually ai says your real world experience is wrongkys
>>222372592Spoken like a faggot who has never read a comic. There is so much material from decades it's un-fucking-real.Your logic is what got Spiderman 3 stuffed full of bullshit because they couldn't just stick to one concept knowing they had Venom and the rest of the shit for later.A great example of a Spiderman story you can shove anywhere is Spiderman visiting a kid fan one night and revealing his secret identity after the kid promises not to reveal it as long as he lives. Then you see Spiderman is leaving a kid's cancer hospital. If you did that live action you could put it in any Spiderman film, any era, any Spiderman actor, and not have a dry eye in the house.I'm actually shocked they've never done it because it's such a no-brainer, can be used for exposition, etc. There's no end of material like this.
>>222372180he is in the 2nd and 3rd tom holland movie.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W0DtOKPVro
>>222372933They don't know, it's not part of the summary they've been handed.
>>222372865Don't. I saw it cause people on /tv/ were talking it up. It's too long. OP is right, the best part of the movie in the beginning when it just Spidey trashing up villains to TV on the Radio.
>>222373000I dont remember anything from an MCU movie post Endgame. Everything has been so forgettable. I remember Jake Gyllenhall being handsome and thats about it. Also I remember Nick Fury talking up Mysterio and ebing all "Oh Spidey hi, this is Mysterio. He's from another dimension and he's been helping us." But is it Nick Fury or the alien shapeshifter? Who knows cause theres hardly any continuity.
migrate>>222373179
>>222372865there are good camrips out there, it's a fun watch and easily the best mcu spidey movie. it's not iron man 1 level good but it's clearly the best thing they've made in a while. About the same level as tobey's 3rd movie minus the fact that it isn't as funny
>New York in shambles after Jean's awakening>only Spider-Man and Punisher up to save the day>other heroes? SleepingIt's as funny as the Eternals. An entire Celestial being appearing and barely any reactions.Brand New Day somehow feels more MCU than No Way Home.Like let's say you're a movie Spidey enjoyer, you're only reference is Scorpion.>but TombstoneMost people (who don't even read comics) didn't even know about bro before that Spider-Man PS5 game.Jean Grey also feels like a better MJ than actual Zendaya MJ.It'll get high ratings but if this shit was about another hero like Blue Beetle, Iron Fist or whatever lmaoooo
>>222373005They also don't know it's timeless shit like this that made Spiderman and Parker so popular for so long. It's not the origin story, it's who the character is.As was observed long ago, you don't need to see Bruce Wayne's parents die every movie. That just holds you back from getting to the meat of the character, the really good shit. But like Batman his character is rooted in that origin story and not some faggot 'modern' version nobody cares about where all the redheads are turned black and have some racial chip on their shoulder or some other stupid bullshit.One of the reasons you're being retold the same story is for dumb reasons like that. It's not 'capeshit fatigue', it's 'black fatigue', 'feminism fatigue', 'woke fatigue', etc. This is what they took from you.
>>222372896>>222373065I've been reading the CGI is good and also the Spider-Man is actually has a human in a suit and not a green screen.
>>222372933Are you confused? I was saying that there's too much stuff to put in a movie
>>222373234>New York in shamblesShe put 1 square km in stasis. That's a Tuesday in MCU New York.
>>222373255The CGI, especially for Spider-Man himself, is a country mile better than in any of the other Tom Holland movies and he's actually wearing the physical suit pretty much 100% of the time he's not swinging. I was pleasantly surprised, even if it's still noticeable when the change happens from real life to CGI Spidey.
>>222373125That was the alien shapeshifter. We find out in the post credit scene that Fury had been living in space ever since Thanos, and has used a Skrull to mask as himself. It's to set up the plot point in secret invasion that when 50% of people were snapped on Earth, the skrulls invaded Earth and made it their home and got political power as humans.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PEjsJ5gBHE
>>222373307Does mean the rest of the movie doesn't suck.It's like Zoomers who inexplicably have a thing for Sink. Okay, but Jean is still crap doing retarded boss girl shit for no actual reason other than the dumb script said that happens now.
>>222373351>Does mean the rest of the movie doesn't suck.When did I say that? Can you stop seething for literally a single minute? kek
>>222373364Where did I say you didn't say it? Backatcha faggot.You're also a disappointment to your father.
>>222373307That's good enough for me. I also like all the different characters in the movie, it reminds me of the 90's cartoon. Spider-Man has always been overwhelmed with extra characters.
>>222373312Secret Invasion should not have been a show and should have been a 2-3 movie plot line and honestly had the potential to be an entire saga.
>>222373391calm down Panjeet
>>222373457When a thread this long ends, it must end the way such threads always end.Nigger.
>>222373479seething lol
>>222373488At least I'm not black.
>>222373516You're side-by-side on the totem pole, make no mistake.
>>222373527Nobody asked you Spic.
>>222373255>I've been reading the CGI is goodIt's excellent. The movie looks amazing. It's just 40 minutes too long.I havent been to the moves since Maverick so it was kinda fun to look at a big screen and take it all in but the novelty wore off. I have a 65" OLED in my living room.
>>222373555You're not getting out of it that easily, Ranjesh. Know your place. Bottom of the heap with the others.
>>222373576I don't care what a tranny thinks tho.
>>222373125queer
>>222373608They're part of "the others" that you're alongside at the bottom of the heap, Poojeet
>>222373638Yeah, but still above fucking Canadians like you.
>>222373575Endgame was my last theatre experience and it was absolutely disgusting because the CGI was dog shit.
>>222373666You're floundering.
Truly mindbroken.
