Unironically why not have Pussy as an advisor in the FBI, even some menial role and title? Was it because he was a mob lolcow?
they can't hand it out to every retard with a big mouth and bigger dreams
>>222357666Because to work with the feds, even if only in auxiliary position, you have to have a high IQ and strong impulse control, which this sociopathic guido didn't check on both counts.
>>222357739>25 years in the mafia>personal relationship with the boss>basically number 3 at some pointsCome on, he had stuff going
this disinformation shit is effective
>>222357666>mfw secured the $500 olive garden lifetime pasta pass
>>222357666Because Tony was already protecting Pussy too much. In the first season he easily killed the other guy he suspected. Season 2 fixed it.
>>222357666why was the fbi so fucktarded in this showthey kept letting their informants die it was fucking ridiculousyou dont build a RICO case by over-using and burning out cooperatorsthe absolute most unrealistic part of the show is that they forced Pussy to go back after HE RAN AWAY (RED FLAG RED FLAG)should have ended at s3 as plannedrest of the show was carried solely by tony+junior (and even that fell off...but still worth for the last scene)
>>222357666The plot didn't call for it.
>>222357666>LolcowCringe.
>>222357866Well that guy was a fed too.
>>222357778>Tony is a real bossJersey? Please. They're a glorified crew.
>>222357875What, that's actually fairly realistic as far as theri retardation.
>just trust a guy who's been lying to you and feeding the feds for 2 years
>>222357875The FBI doesn't give a fuck about informants, anon. They are there for a purpose: Gather information. If they don't do that, they might as well be dead.
>>222357666fbi informants needs to have nerves of steel, and pussy was a blabber mouth
>>222357967ah yes i too dont remember when they btfo'd the five families all at once>>222358027no you dumb fucking twat, they arent there to gather informationthey're there to TESTIFY IN COURT so that their information isnt HEARSAYfucking board gets dumber by the dayi keep waiting for it to hit the floor but it just doesnt happen
>>222358077>they're there to TESTIFY IN COURT so that their information isnt HEARSAYWithout the tapes, it's hearsay, retard. That's why the wires are so important.
>>222358077>at that point in the story pussy has enough to put tony, chris and the rest away for various murders>he doesn't just testify>because his words without the tapes are meaningless>calls others retarded
>>222358077Peak vs average FBI performance. Look at how well they did with Bulger, or or Aldrich Aames, or Hoffa, or with Ruby Ridge, or Also remember that these are the FBI in fucking New Jersey, not the A team in washington or the B team in NYC..
>>222358145>dude our case will totally be just as strong if we dont have a human on the witness stand to convince a jury of humanslol>>222358190yeah, see, again, that's not how you build a RICO case, the feds have time on their sidealso, given the fact that half of tony's crew were rats, there was clearly no reason to send Pussy back into obvious dangerdumb motherfuckers in your SPEAK circlejerks think you know jackshit about criminal law because you watch shows about criminalscrazy
>>222357666because he's a low-IQ idiot like 95% of all mobsters and you can't have idiots working important federal jobs.
>>222358337>you can't have idiots working important federal jobs.
>>222358552There's a differnce between people working at your DMV and people who work at the IRS or Federal law enforecment agencies. They are actually very competent people.
>>222357875That's par for the fuckin course. The actual ridiculous thing was them "building a case" for like 5 years. The Bevilaqua murder was all they really needed.
>>222358647As someone who works with various federal employees of a range of competences, I'm going to take a moment to shit myself laughing. Be back in a bit.
>>222358695oh god i forgot about thatPussy was literally given a get-out-of-jail-free card and he didnt take iti actually really like the show and knew it was going to be nonsense when tony beat the shit out of a guy in broad daylight in the pilotbut people forget that it was really the therapy scenes that everyone and their mother watched the show for
>>222358695>>222358768My read on that was that the feds didn't care that much about an open prosecution of Tony in the first place. They wanted NYC.
>>222358768>was literally given a get-out-of-jail-free cardI also forgot about that part. They really convinced him he'd get life in prison for a first time drugs with intent to distribute offense.
>>222358733It'd be funny to hear what they think of your competence. People just like to talk shit.
>>222358291it will be stronger actually, because the tapes would likely be entered as an exception to hearsay, and then the defence wouldn't have a chance to cross-examine that witness
>>222359353>my case will be stronger without a corroborating witness for audio evidencethis is your brain on crime procedurals
>>222358733>the average FBI agent isn't a lot more competent than the average federal pencil pusher
Because pussy couldn't keep his mouth shut when nervous if he wanted to.
>>222359579>i got two tickets to watch my sebulba beat your anakin
>>222358942If you were allowed in the room, you could ask them yourself. But all you have is blind glazing, and even blinder bitching about me. Don't get me wrong. The FBI is arguably the worlds premier law enforcement agency. They have their pick of the best officers in all of America, plus interesting and varied crimes, unlike say Singapore or the Keisatsu cho. Especially with the London Met falling off in the past few decades. But imagining they're some sort of supercops, top to bottom, and aren't subject to myopia, political bullshit, complete ignorance of dirt level behavior, ect ect is copagnda level stupid. And then there's the IRS. Keep in mind the pay discrepancy between them, and private sector players. IRS isn't getting the best, or second best. They're getting mostly low ambition carrerists that punch in and punch out. Not that there's anything wrong with that.>>222359470Average? Absolutely. But that's more about how low the lowest federal employees are. Take into account the specific tribal requirements the FBI has. There are some really, really shitty agents out there.But my turn. FBI vs DOJ. Which is more competent on average and why? Remember that it's not just the FBI needed here for a rico case.I don't read FBI in the sopranos as being particularly unrealistic, by TV standards.
Would he have actually been a good FBI agent?
>>222358916Harris is clearly protecting Tony in the show
Because Pussy wanted his cake and to eat it too; do bad guy stuff in the mob and get paid and get the protection from the feds when the sting finally happens to go off and live the Henry Hill life at the end of Goodfellas. Pussy was a fucking moron in thinking anything good was going to come out for what we has doing or that it was going to have anything other than a bad end. He was stupid enough to sell heroin in his turf, he was even more stupid to not tell anyone and not cut in the crew on the profits because selling hard drugs was a big no-no for the attention and heat that it draws, and most importantly, he was stupid enough to get caught by the feds and face 30 years.
>>222358916there's also the fact that the office head was already making a career case out of Junior, which they bring up when he becomes unfit to stand trialadmitting that Tony should be the "real" target would have killed any momentum his career has
>>222357875The show starts with Tony running over a guy with his car and beating him in broad daylight with numerous witnesses yet he miraculously manages to get out of that one when the FBI would be all over an opportunity like that
>>222359782>There are some really, really shitty agents out there.The lowest a suit will go is still leagues above a mid ranking mob crook, the former had to pass several competency trials and not just be a trigger happy sociopath who's lucked out on not being caught or snuffed. Besides, he wouldn't have any more valuable insight that the FBI doesn't already, he was always just a patsy meant to get proofs or die trying. I'm insulted at the thought of a guy like him being invited into the bureau.And let's not pretend the FBI onboards clueless idiots, that's either what a moron believes or someone with a grave case of arrogance. It's a congregation of national overachievers.
>>222361019Was the tonal shift away from goofier dark comedy crimes planned all along?
>>222358062kek that picture
>>222361201>The lowest a suit will go is still leagues above a mid ranking mob crook,Utter bullshit, and irrelevant. Their scope and objectives are completely fucking different. Criminals live the life. The agents are going home every night, and have paid vacation.Criminals, including incredibly stupid ones outmanuver the feds all the fucking time. > It's a congregation of national overachievers.Correct. Which ALSO attracts scammers. nepotistic hires, and sociopaths who will put up a bullshit front to get the prestige, but have their own game and agenda.Were the commanders coming out of west point with their filtering, training and schooling the best? Yes. But they also got creamed by Vietnamese jungle people. Or thinking that police are outshooting gun nuts because they get tested.I see the problem. You've got a giant boner for these people, and you think it works like dragon ball power levels. And it this SPECIFIC case with the mob, we have their actual track record that shits all over your pie in the sky vision. Sure they took down the five families, but they also had shit like the Bulger case. Or their inability to stop MS 13.
>>222357666A confidential informant basically is an advisor. As far as giving him an actual job, it would have been impossible because it was an ongoing investigation and he still had to do prison time when it was over. Besides, why give him a title and a salary when you can just dangle a life sentence of his head for free? For what purpose?
>>2223576661. It’s too risky. 2. Snitching is the worst offense in mafia and forgiving it would be a massive reputation hit.3. You don’t trust someone who betrayed you.
>>222357948these guys were living in the past. a major theme of the show.
>>222357889I am literally Yui from K-on! and you can't prove I am not.
>>222358934He was charged with trafficking heroin not "possession with intent to distribute"He was looking at 30 years which would be a life sentence for an obese middle aged mobster.
>>222358695They witness to that murder recanted and also had bad taste in music.
>>222357891i like to think that jimmy was just a fucking retard and his final "mother of god" was him realizing just how blatantly he made himself look like a fed even though he wasn't
>tony pops another prozac as white rabbit starts playing and he reminisces about his dad in 60s>dad brings home ice cream to make up for getting arrested in front of the kids>episode ends with white rabbit starting back up as he makes extravagant sundaes for he and AJ, sucking down whipped cream and teaching his son how to cope by stuffing his facesupreme kino
>>222357875The FBI's performance was probably the biggest single dramatic conceit in the show, but who cares? If they made them any more competent, the show would've been boring. It's like complaining that Hank didn't find out sooner in Breaking Bad.
>>222361201>the former had to pass several competency trials>>222363751>>Were the commanders coming out of west point with their filtering, training and schooling the best? Yes.Assuming that the training they receive is actually "good" or even "relevant" is an extremely optimistic outlook. As with most things that operate on a budget, it's always a chase after the worst possible solution that still plausibly gets the job done. Except in these particular fields there is no feasible way to even actually figure out what exactly "gets the job done", so their training programs are basically built on guesses and not even particularly educated ones. Think of the unexpected turn that warfare took in Ukraine. Even with all the money behind the military, nobody was actually prepared for those kinds of tactics. Investigative agencies are in the exact same boat and are always just figuring shit out as they go, and just like in the military, their little experiments cost lives.
