>It's another "Empire commander acts like a fucking retard and gives Yang another easy victory yet the show keeps pretending the empire is full of geniuses" episode
>>222482541You imbecile, the Empire is filled with morons and only a few are shown to be worth anything, namely only a few of Reinhard's men and also Merkatz. Most of Reinhard's men aren't even shown to be particularly smart, only useful. Also every single alliance commander other than my boy Dusty is a moron.
>>222482706Yang in particular was a moron, he should have been taking all of Schonkopf's advise. PROVE ME WRONG
>>222482541literally drumpf
>>222482541These threads got me to watch the anime. I end up skipping through half the episodes and fervently watching the other half. Its really a mixed bag of "Who fucking cares" and "Total Kino: In SPACcccEeeeEEE!!!!"I wish there was more violence though
>>222482541Only Reuenthal, Mittermeyer, and maybe Kircheis were on Yang's level. Everyone else was good enough, especially when the Alliance leadership pulled retarded plans like the invasion and got all their good officers killed, and what good officers left after that were killed in the civil war.
>>222484784Nobody is on Yang's level. He's the Kongming (novel ver.) of the story, he's an unstoppable rapetrain and everyone else is just waiting for him to die so his shitty protege can fail miserably and undo everything he accomplished in the span of weeks
>>222482541Yang is one of my favourite characters in fiction. Reinhard is okay but Yang carries the show
>>222482541It's really pathetic how in every anime, the 13 year old lead characters are always 100 times smarter than the adults who have decades of experience.
>>222485203LoGH is about a dude in his 30s being smarter than a dude in his 20s.
>>222485203>Napoleon Bonaparte was 24 years old when he achieved his first major military victory at the Siege of Toulon in December 1793
>>222485313why did Reinhard die of space aids though?
>>222485336contrivance
>>222485336Because he was secretly a homosexual with the red head guy.
>jap VA's cannot pronounce English, French or German words.>they gave every character a german name so you have VA screaming shit like "DIE HARDO SAMA!" instead of "Reinhard Sama"Bravo.....
>>222485336Fucking spoilers, mang D:<My guess is because he was cornholeing his red head friend before he died.
>>222485375true but even gays in 2026 don't die of aids in like 2 years. in fact they usually never do >>222485374honestly would have been cooler if he was overconfident or something and got got, the scene where reunthal gets impaled by the big shard of glass would have actually been a cool end for Reinhard
>>222485376It makes it that much more enjoyable.>his ship is the BURRR-LIN-ouhhhh
what was the point of him
>>222485482It's fun to watch a house of cards collapse.
>>222485482ya i never really liked or understood his plot, the writing in the first couple episodes is honestly really bad >phezzan or whatever it's called somehow controls everything despite being very unimportant and defenceless later >yang's legitimate best friend dies and yang is just like "sheesh he was a good officer but wasted under bad leadership... really shows how dumb our leadership is" and doesn't even react or care >Reinhard asking all his admirals what the status of the battle is and they're all like "we're losing" and he says "haha actually no we're winning" but it does get a lot better
>>222485203Its not about them being smarter, its about the evolution of warfare. WW1 was full of generals who were using old timey tactics and refusing to change leading to excess deaths in the tunes of millions.>the plan calls for an orderly tactical retreat>RETREST? NEVER! WE FIGHT TO THE LAST!!!and they fuck up the entire plan because the point was drawing the enemy in and over extending them by having them chase you. I think that was the entire basis of the Hindenburg Line, unless im thinking of a different thing. You have overlapping layers of defense and the farther back you go, the more intense the fortification and defensive equipment. The entire point was to have an orderly withdrawal, let the enemy tucker themselves out by taking miles and miles of bullshit so you can charge in and retake everything with fresh troops and equipment. The old Prussian generals refused to retreat and were fucking everything up until they were either shot or replaced.
>>222482541Who is this HOT FUCKING MAN, please stop putting gay thoughts into my head. Damn.
>>222486087
>>222485482Space Israel
>>222485482Im not even halfway through the series but I have a sneaking suspicion his plan of "Let Reinhard take over the universe and then kill him" is going to backfire.
>>222482541>yang wen li cleverly arranges his ships in a triangle formation decimating the foolish imperial rectangle formationThe space battles in this could be 1 million times better with a little more though and a little less kabuki nonsense
>>222486087Based
>>222486471The show has a budget of two hot dogs and a handshake
>>222486581Right but they already barely depict the battles. They could at least put more thought into the descriptions. LOGH fell flat for me when it failed to show and not tell what a tactical genius yang is supposed to be.
>>222486565it was insanely kino when they met... but also a little disappointing, and not because no gay shit went down
>>222486987it is a problem but you have to just sort of accept it within the in-universe logic >galactic higher ups have Reinhard's fleet do some suicidal manoeuvre because they hate him and want to get rid of him >FPA admiral is like "hmmm this must be a trap it's so stupid" >yang realizes exactly what happens and tries to get them to just go now but he's low rank at this point so no one listens that kind of thing works fine for me, sometimes it makes no sense, often the tactics are silly but whatever
yang unironically should have used his massive popular support to stage a coup and take over the FPA >waaaaaah that would contradict my stupid morals about having to follow orders I rather let BILLIONS MUST DIE for Trunhit knowing exactly what's going on the entire time and see my entire civilization collapse
>>222485539Think of Phezzan like a neutral ground location where a lot of trade happens. Remember both empire and alliance have embassies there to touch base. Cities/countries like Hong Kong, Singapore, Dubai etc. have either no or small militaries but are wealthy and have influence nevertheless. It's the same thing with Phezzan.
>>222487148ya i know but I'm talking about in like the first couple episodes the phezzan guy says to his people >whoever will benefit us the most will win :) like they have supreme power over both sides... maybe they had some but phezzan is easily taken out by the empire when they feel like it
>>222487148Saudi Arabia and OPEC would be the apt comparison. They control a critical resource and chokepoint.
>>222482541Go back to /a/
>>222488017this is better than any of the gay shit you fags are discussing on here
>>222486416Well, if it works imagine how much time and energy he saved.
>>222485336He got depressed because he got his ass beat by Yang and when he defeated the Alliance there was nobody left to fight. He effectively gave up on life (subconsciously) after that.
>>222488378For sure. I just imagine it'd be pretty hard to assasinate the universal Kaiser surrounded by fanatical loyalists who also has the unyielding love and admiration of every citizen of the empire.
>>222489068they managed to kill yang tho :(
>>222483865What is this?
>>222485336Because the show went out of his way to show the failings of both systems.
I really need to watch this show. I've been in the mood for space opera lately
>>222485375This but unironically. The show is presented as shared oral history. You’re meant to read through the lines on some things on what would not have made it into the history books.
>>222489349Im not that far, I didn't know D:Im on ep 30, they're just about to kidnap the little kid Kaiser. Yang is surrounded by enemys, space USA's government is all corrupt and in phazzens pocket, before the fortress battles they were trying to string yang up on bullshit charges. I can imagine them getting to yang. Getting to Reinhard seems like it would be way harder.
>>222489648im honestly legitimately sorry i didn't really think about it :(
>>222482541It's actually close to realistic. If you've knowledgable about history and read a few books about some of the classics wars (mostly those before the world wars) you'd know there has been plenty of wars decided by the error of an incompetent general or commander. We've got Vietnam, Afghanistan, Ukraine as modern examples.The anime does make it a bit too obvious and simplistic but its done so as to execute the plot without being to detailed. It's quite the feat to cover such a immense arc, 100 episodes spanning a decade, you've got to cut some corners to make it happen.
>>222489395it's two decades old
>>222486471Yeah but they still have more thought put into them than most film and tv media with the two groups of people charging into each other shit.
>>222485336The stress killed him because he had to govern and be the main general, the show fucking tells you about it
>>222490820no it doesn't and that's not a thing
>>222489690All good :'c Im on ep 40 now. The imperial fleet is going to go through the phezzan corridor and im expecting heavy shenanigans. I hope they wipe out those schemes on the way by. Phuck phezzan.
Why does noone question why Yang had a shota maid living with him who wants to spend every waking second in his presence?>Ohh, I get it. The FPA is a.."Free" society?>THE FREEIST!!!!
>>222485336I ascribe to the popular theory he was poisoned by Emil, the young redhead he chooses to take on as his butler, as a weird pseudo replacement for Kircheis. There’s an interesting moment where he brings Reinhard and Yang tea, and shoots a knowing smirk at Yang. I’m surprised no one brought it up yet.
>>222491135Based speedwatcher
>>222491225i know that scene and that was my thought but it was never really mentioned or came to anything, but maybe that was intentional too.
i only started watching this recently and man i wish someone told me earlier they redrew some scenes later witv a compmetely different and jarring style for some reason. i'd rather watch the laserdisc rip i just downloaded. the shitty quality gives it a nostalgic VHS kinda feel and i'd prefer that over digitally redome scenes that stand out too strong
>>222491529>nostalgic VHS kinda feelThats why I got into it. Its comfy and surprisingly good. I normally hate anime but classics like this are pretty good. It reminds me of Akira and Ninja Scroll and stuff.
>>222489546You won't regret it.
For me it's Crest of the stars.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0C5V8OPVIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I--5ehnNPVs
>>222486996It’s funny how they both just immediately sat down to have a philosophical/political debate, like it was something they had to do.
>>222492663The whole show was a philosophical debate with space battles sprinkled in. And a lot of homolust for Kircheis on Reinhard's part
>>222489648Dude why are you in the thread get out now before you get spoiled on If only Kircheis was here...
>>222485482(((Rubinsky)))
>>222492714Why do fags always try to insert their scat fetish? Kircheis was in love with Annerose and Reinhard was married and had kids. You do this shit with lord of the rings too
>>222482541>we totally could've won ww2 but we lost because of the germans, season 5 episode 553it's all so tiresome, when will these chinks stop yapping about ancient history.
>>222485336Endless decades of peace would've made him wish he had died. Dude all but lost his mind out of boredom in the few months after he first defeated the FPA.
>>222487113The right to pointlessly kill millions of people.....belongs to the people....
>>222491225>implying fucking Emil could outwit ObersteinNah mate fuck off with that retarded shit
>>222492873>and Reinhard was married and had kids.And we all know that no gay man has ever repressed his gayness and larped as straight in order to fit in with expectations.
>>222486242Wait a min, you're actually not wrong.
>>222489648Lmao why are you on this thread? You got spoiled hard.
>>222493616Oberstein is canonically autistic.
>>222493619>people do lie>therefore people can lie >therefore he could be lying >therefore he must be lyinghmmmm
>>222492780Im on ep 52 now. Im power watching through my boring night shift. Its almost over now but ill finish the series tomorrow.Yang and Reinhard met. I wish they would have spent more time together.
>>222494319Which makes him good at his job you daft cunt.
>>222494447>Which makes him good at his jobProbably really annoying at party's, though.
>>222494466This, plus he can also easily be distracted by a scale model trainset or mint edition baseball cards.
>>222482541Name a single time this happened with the Kiaser's cadre and not the nobles he was replacing
>>222494466Good thing Reinhard didn't make him the Minister of Celebrations then.
>>222494525Perhaps 50% of the time Bittenfeld decided to do an all out frontal charge.
>>222494539Bittenfeld makes up for it by pulling of suicidal charges that he had no right of surviving. He is the Chad among Chads.
What was the extent of Kaiser Rudolf’s eugenics program? Did he just kill every person who was disabled or non-germanic? And then have them all learn German and LARP as Prussians?
>>222482541I haven't seen the show you're talking about, but I know most manga and anime have a case of trying to write a genius character or multiple characters, but the author himself is a midwit.
>>222493616Does Oberstein necessarily want Reinhard to live long?
>>222494595>I have genuinely 0 idea what you're talking about, but here's my genius take on itthank you doctor
>>222494558Sure, but I named a time.
>>222494539Yeah, to fill critical gaps or press the advantage. He never cost them anything through any stupidity
>>222494607It’s ideal for Oberstein that Reinhard dies shortly after winning the universe.
>>222494654Counterpoint. Not appointing stupid me to positions of power is a trait of Reinhard’s character.
>>222494607Does he ever imply otherwise? I'll be honest I don't remember what happened to his character arc, been a while since I rewatched this.
>>222494732His motives are a bit opaque. What we know is that he hates the Goldenbaum dynasty. Reinhard could simply be a tool to eliminate the Goldenbaum dynasty.
>>222482541never liked how much the show kissed Yangs ass, he had no real flaws or personality growth. just was a total marysue.i also never liked how technological or economical diffrences didn't have bigger impact on how the war went along
>>222484784Why do yangtards like to forget that mein Kaiser would have won during the Iserlohn Corridor siege if Kircheis ghost had not told him to stop?
>>222485336to make the Alexander the Great symbolisim more clear.Also while being a good leader it was clear that his heart really was not into it. He just wanted to conquer and make a name. After that live just seemed to have no reason to it anymore.
>>222491225it was because Yang had a twink of his own that made him tea. the shot was about their similarities in life style
>>222494607yeah because the entire empire is build around him and his dinasty. Oberstein constantly told him to get married and have kids and not rsik his life in stupid battles. Oberstein cared more about establishing a well run empire then Reinhard in the end
>>222494732There isn't much in the way of character arcs, the show covers a few short, very active years through a narrative lense.We do however get more details of the characters and a big one with oberstein is that he's insecure and doubts himself constantly to the point he refuses to share his opinions, which other characters see as him being secretive and plotting against them
>>222494917I'm not saying you need to like Yang, it's your prerogative to not like him as a character, but I don't like this redditesque need to put characters into predefined cliches>WHY DOES HE HAVE NO FLAWS, WHY ISN'T HE SECRETLY A PEDO, WHY IS THERE A GOOD AND COMPETENT CHARACTER DEPICTED IN A FICTIONAL WORK????also he's an unpragmatic alcoholic who's incompetent at face to face combat despite being in the military, so not like you're even correct.
>>222494490lol >How will we ever get past the watchful gaze of Oberstein??>Wait...I got it!>*toot-toot*
>>222495041yeah but Reinhard actually fails and learns form his mistakes. Meanwhile Yang gets his best friends wife killed indirectly and he still gets married and wins every battle. Too easily i might point out as well.
>>222495041>WHY ISN'T HE SECRETLY A PEDOI mean, hes been living with a young boy who he treats like a girlfriend. I imagine you cant get more open about it than that.
>>222495041NTA but It's mostly that he never makes mistakes in combat which leads to combats not having any tension whatsoever because you know who's gonna win.
>>222495062>yeah but Reinhard actually fails and learns form his mistakesI didn't imply otherwise or comment on Reinhard.>Too easily i might point out as well.The show never shirks from the fact that all those battles have an immense death toll.>>222495069I think you fantasize about this too much for my taste. Nothing in the show indicates that.>>222495096>he never makes mistakes in combatI never make mistakes in combat either.> not having any tension whatsoever because you know who's gonna win.that's okay, I don't need tension in my comfy space opera show.
>>222494591He put all the Africans, Asians, Irish, Latinos etc in work/death camps. Everyone else had to larp as Germans.
>>222494917>he had no real flawsHis idealism attaches him to the sinking ship that is the democratic system. He could have made more of an impact on history if he seized power or joined Reinhard
>>222494917He's a lazy alcoholic who is bad at the politics his job demands. He was drastically wrong about terrorism changing history. His ideology led to the destruction of his democratic government and inspired his men to engage a suicidal attack that wiped most of them out, all for a dying emperor to propose some mild vague reforms before dying and leaving everything up in the air.Yang was amazing at one thing and absolutely trash at everything else.
>>222486087I always think he's Lady Oscar. At least I'm not gay.
>>222495375Is that worth watching or should you just read the manga?
>>222482541So just like real life?
>>222495323>He was drastically wrong about terrorism changing history.Great post overall but the line is how terrorism can never bring back a previous state of history. E.g. the terraists can kill Yang but nothing they do will bring back the era that they wanted to.Beyond that it did get annoying how Yang was incapable of making a single strategic mistake in any battle he fought.
>>222495431I never read the manga so I can only recommend the original kino anime.
Why didn’t Yang as a student of history try to become Caesar and after conquering the galaxy be a figurehead for democratic elements to rally against?
AHEM, FUCK JANNIES, FUCK CAPE-SHIT AND FUCK REDDIT. PROSIT!
>>222495573>>222487113Yang believed that not even Cincinatus can be trusted to give up power and return to farm.He believed history needs a precedence where autoritarianism is defeat without sacrificing republican values.He ultimately failed and in-universe would most likely be juxtaposed to Goldenbaum:>Goldenbaum is a military man that went into politics and suceeded>Yang refused direct political involvement and failedYang is a Hanibalian figure
>>222490940It did, remember when he was bitting his finger and the show clearly said that Kircheis would have handled the war had he not died
Ten years later and my mom still refuses to re-watch LotGH with me, she doesn't want to watch all the characters die again. Her favorites are Kircheis, Reuenthal and Schenkopf.
>>222495964How is a Caesar figure worse than being conquered by a benevolent dictator for democratic precedence?
>>222495716Prosit!
>>222496739Because one is an element of influence outside the democratic system, the foreign invading army, while Yang taking over supreme rulership is a betrayal from within, a betrayal of the system and its beliefs.
>>222482752being a good military commander does not necesarly tranlate as being a good civil servant and yang in particular is a mess of a person who wouldnt make for a good ruler
>>222497440The Alliance-Imperial War is already framed as an ideological battle. The Alliance itself is a rebellion against the Goldenbaum dynasty. If the Alliance loses, then the Imperial system has won, and any possible democratic reform will be just that, a reformation of an absolute monarchy into something more constitutional but ultimately with the Imperial system as a base. Because it triumphed over the Alliance and is therefore superior ideologically. Whereas Yang conquering the empire as Caesar establishes actual republican and democratic priors.
>>222497598No such thing as a democratic Ceasar, if he had taken full control of the FPA during their coup of foppery and whim and then even by conquering the Empire, he simply becomes the new Emperor. Even if he tried to give up his position and create elections, it ultimately wouldn't have worked because it wasn't a democracy that defeated the Empire, just one Emperor replacing another.
>>222484432I get what you mean.Some of the dialogue scenes are really tough to get through.The main problem them isn't that it is characters talking; it's that almost every dialogue scene is superior lecturing to inferior.E.g.>Yang giving a philosophy lecture to Julian>Reinhard talking, ordering his underling to do something>Rubinsky giving a PowerPoint presentation to his underlingIn other words, there is no real debate about anything. So, the dialogue scenes don't contain drama.
>>222497397why do the japs say prosit when the german say prost (without the "i")?
>>222497958I’m not saying that there’s such a thing as a democratic Caesar, I’m saying that a Caesar figure uniting the galaxy establishes democratic and republican priors rather than imperial ones
>>222484784>Only Reuenthal, Mittermeyer, and maybe Kircheis were on Yang's level.Anon, rewatch episodes 15-16In those episodes Yang fights three separate battles.First he buttrapes Kempff in Battle of JafnhárThen, on his way to Amritsar, he is attacked by Kircheis. Yang notes they are fucked, because Kircheis has more ship and keeps rotating his ships; they are never exhausted. He is barely able to escape.In Amritsar he hits Mittemeryer so hard, he is forced to flee.Bittenfeld fleet refuses to flee, so Yang destroys 70% of their fleet.So, sufficed to say the tier level is:>Yang > Reinhard > Kircheis > Mittermeyer and Reunthal > everyone else
>>222497974Reasonably certain Prosit is an older form of the word and most likely still used in some corners of the German speaking world. Also it is easier for the jap VA's to pronounce than Prost.>>222498096Even if Yang did such a silly thing as holding elections and getting himself voted into power, he would still just be a conqueror and as such the people would've learned from his actions and not his words.
>>222498311>pic>If only Kircheis wasn't here
>>222498311Kircheis over Reinhard?
>>222495239He was a hero
>>222497970Well said. I like it when theres a bit of back and forth or its during a battle but strings of blatant dick sucking drive me up the wall lol>Ohh that Reinhard/Yang. He knows everything and ill follow him everywhere. THAT is the man he truly is blahblahblah x1000I get it, you respect the man and admire him. every other dialog scene doesn't need to reinforce it. I guess im watching a TV show like 30 years after it came out so people might forget how amazing everyone is from week to week but watching it all at once makes me wish I could warp into that universe and slap get immediately killed trying to slap these people around. Profess your love or get off their nobs already lol
>>222498764> week to weekanon, it is called OVA because it never aired on tv.It was air mail order vhs exclusive
