>>222514704
>attempted murder is legal because.... she's a girl

>>222514704
No, a car did

Women? Doing anything wrong? Ever? Nope. Didn't happen.

I seen it

>>222514704
she bombed a government building with hundreds of people inside

>>222514808
So did Tim McVeigh and he didn't kill anyone either. Just government employees.

>>222514704
What about spider-man?
There's no way that helicopter pilot survived the ordeal. He got stuck there until the web dissolved then fell to his death. I'd like to see them try and spin that one.

>>222514704
SPIDERMAN: GROSS JEW DAY

>>222514814
based. fuck feds

>>222514704
She committed like 100 different crimes besides murder even if they can somehow lie that she doesn’t kill anyone at all

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>>222515027
Do they kiss or are they otherwise physically intimate?

>>222515027
And she hated it, It's why they have next to no interaction past season 3

>>222514970
Spider-Man is a criminal by your metric since vigilantism is illegal, not to mention the property damage and hacking surveillance systems

>>222514704
Again the issue is she never really show's remorse for her actions, and at the very least, Frank should be worried about her escaping and bringing up how dangerous an emotionally volatile teenage girl with a power like that is to have be free out there.

>>222515368
What does she do wrong other than take control of MJ to mess with Peter, and make that one dude walk into a taxi?

>>222514704
She point blank shot the Damage Control guards as Punisher

>>222515701
She didn't kill them retard, because they drop their weapons when she tells them to do so.

>>222514704
>Saw writers confirm Jigsaw never murdered anyone and he finds it distasteful.

>>222514704
it's funny that they tried to downplay the importance of plot holes with the hulk lecture but in the same movie created a bunch of much worse problems on purpose.

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>>222515061
They kiss multiple times

>>222514704
>person who wrote that she kills people now says she doesn't kill people
Pick a lane faggot.

>>222514704
What happened to the old dude she controlled who got hit by a car?

>>222515760
>oh fuck the momentum of the film on Twitter is being diverted by this we need you to go talk to the media

>>222514808
*more than once

>mindrapes the Hulk and lets him loose
yeah I'm sure there wasn't a single person harmed by all of her reckless high-consequence actions

>>222515732
They're right. I teach law at harvard and we make the students watch the entire saw series the first day to show them what an unwinnable case would look like

>>222515368
they fucked up by giving teenage Jean the powers of a fully realized adult Jean with years of training

I'm so fucking tired of the Matriarchy...

>>222514704
Okay, it's not impossible that nobody died. Unlikely, but not impossible.
But how many people were hurt? How many has to live the rest of their lives in pain, physically or mentally?

>>222515985
arguably that's much much worse

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>>222514704
If all that was to keep Spiderman busy, why didn’t she just mount him repeatedly with Zendaya?

>>222514704
>no explanation
ok then

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>>222515027
based, that stopped me from watching that shit even before all the gays came in

>I HATE WOMEN!!!! WAAAAAAHHH WAAAHHHH
That's you 24/7. I want to thank you. You've convinced me to finally leave this shithole. You're all absolutely insufferable retards, and I can't stand another minute here. Bye.

>>222516555
Don't let the door hit your saggy ass on the way our, bitch

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>>222514805
>Women? Doing anything wrong? Ever? Nope. Didn't happen

Jean Grey, a character that famously does not ever kill anyone

>>222516659
she didn't kill anyone, only raped them

>>222515753
Jesus CHRIST thanks for the heads up, I will not be watching this shit.
Israel will pay for this.

>>222514704
the guy that gets ran over in the middle of the street after being possessed absolutely died what the fuck

They really needed to cut the scene of her walking that old guy into traffic and getting him fucking annihilated for no reason if they wanted to give her a zero punishment, sympathetic ending. It's crazy.

>>222516659
In the future too, she will just gently warm up everyone.

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>>222514805
Les Wexner isn't a woman.
Nor were most of the bankers who crashes the economy in 2008.

I hate you Grayoifs ahshrkrkfkdjd

>>222514814
Wasn't there a daycare in the building?

>>222514704
>we have to handhold and assure grown ass people that this character is not heckin problematic otherwise they will suffer a mental break that will prevent them from ever liking her
These are the kind of adults who will inherit the Earth.

>>222514970
They should they have filmed a scene where Spiderman punishes her by putting her across h8s knee and spanking her.
MJ then insists she should get to spank Jean as well. Frank then invites everyone whose mind Jean has entered to spank her.

>>222516784
Edgy writing.

In storytelling, nuance is always better,, but many writers believe being edgy is the way to go.

>>222516786
She Unicron'd the Broccoli people.

Imagine if Jean Grey blew up a 200 schoolgirls and then investigated herself and decided she did nothing wrong.

>>222517009
she's sexy. sexy women can do no wrong and you're a chud for thinking otherwise.

when you got the good coochie the world is yours

>>222515093
He works officially with police. Also when he destroys a police car with Scorpions body, with someone inside, his police friend just tells him to go so he doesn't get in trouble. The morality of this movie is insanely bad.

>>222516784
Driving a turret mounted tank firing into buildings (things people are inside of and do NOT stop bullets) also needed to be cut.

>>222514704
>seizes all muscles of everyone in a 1km radius for 15 minutes
>no one dies of asphyxiation
lolno we saw how devastating 2-4 minutes was in Logan. Retard Hugh should've cut Charles's head off back when he killed all the X-Men.

>>222517009
JEAN WON, TRANNY

The writer can say whatever they want, but the people who see the movie will see a person who throws people of buildings, throws people into traffic, and blows up buildings without a second thought.

>>222514704
She stole peoples anatomy I don’t see it any different from bear

>>222514704
Watching this movie the whole time I was like, Spider-Man is such a pussy faggot. Also why does he have to hide his identity? Isn't he in the Avengers? Does Tony Stark hide his identity?

>>222514704
Cowaaaaards
As expected from MCU

>>222517694
Bear summoned a demon and inserted it into his crush's body. Not the same as Jean Grey jumping in

Havent seen the film but this talk reminds me how in Civil War they show how many people died in each Avengers action and its some pathetolically small number of people considering what took place. Disney is just scared to actually have a body count.

>>222517749
Jean Grey is the demon

>>222517764
Jean Grey is a human. The Obsession demon was not

>another zoomer redhead girl who unironically kisses blacks
hoorayyyyy!

>>222517792
women are not human

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>>222516831
>leftards cannot write snd their propsganda is so bad even cspeshitters call it out
>QUICKLY COMRADES TALK ABOUT BANKERS (not Soros though)

>>222516857
Now it is a deadcare lmao

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>>222517860
>not Soros though
that one got me

>>222514704
literally irrelevant, in a school shooting, terrorist attack, etc you don't let the guy get scot-free just because they injured dozens but killed zero

>>222517009
Imagine if Mohammeds blew up Arianna Grande concert, killed 100 kids and injured 1000 more, and leftards then try to claim that working class have more in common with them than with their own countrymen.

>>222515770
He's a crippled vegetable now but technically alive and not killed by Jean Grey. Checkmate, athiests.

>>222517760
three SHIELD super-carriers crash into Washington DC including one directly into a 50 floor tower

"13 casualties"

lmao

>>222517860
dis nigga having a lisp while typing lmao

>>222517760
>Disney is just scared to actually have a body count.
Oh, they are just hypocrites. When Cap dropped helicarriers, hundreds of innocent people died in the area.

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>>222514704
I'd like to point out that the top half of that old man survived that car collision

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>>222517990
>collateral damage to save 20 million

>>222518017
They don't work for the good guys

>>222514790
This.

Though it would be funny to watch people argue that she made that guy throw himself off a building while either :
A) Not understanding that there was a very high probability that he would splash on the pavement.
B) Understanding perfectly the risk but still assuming Spidey would be competent enough to save him at the last second.

Then there's the case of the guy she made walk in front of a bus, just 'cause.
For this one, there's no doubt it's at least attempted murder.
With the added moral problem that his death served no purpose for her goal.

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>>222518153
You faggots are focusing on the mote of dust of the one hobo getting rekt when the giant sequoia of her seizing everyone's muscles in a 1km radius for 15 minutes means she just suffocated a million people. The writers can say "But see, they all survived," but that's not what was already established in Logan from 9 years prior. Charles killed the X-Men because of the very thing she did to a million New Yorkers, but they treat it like they just froze like looney tunes characters for awhile.

>>222518042
It was a collateral damage to save millions, but Avengers were smug about it, Widow said to Congress that they won't do shit because they need them (even though it was their own organisation that was completely infiltrated by Nazis and nobody noticed), and then they posture when Wanda accidentally killed six people while she was trying to save a market.

>>222514704
>rampaging through New York in a tank shooting at everyone
>almost kills a kid if it wasn't for Spider Man saving him
>makes that random guy get hit by a car
>paralyzes everyone in place where they're aware about everything but can't move
>uses Scorpion
>uses Hulk

Yeah, totallly didn't kill anyone, but also even if she didn't, what she did to Peter Parker on that rooftop and Bruce Banner is genuinely evil villain type stuff, so they should address that

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>>222518252
>even though it was their own organisation that was completely infiltrated by Nazis and nobody noticed
It was all governments of the world, and they tried to kill 8 million New Yorkers in 2012.
No leg to stand on, bro.

>>222518252
>Wanda accidentally killed six people while she was trying to save a market.
Is she the most callous or psychopathic superhero in the MCU? At least Tony looks sad sometimes.

>>222514704
>It's totally fine, guys! She didn't kill anyone! She just left most of them permanently disabled! She's not a killer!!!

>>222518333
>paralyzes everyone in place where they're aware about everything but can't move
>uses Hulk

These two are hilarious, because Wanda did both of them (New York is worse than Suburbanville) before and people want to claim that Grey isn't a villain.

>>222517937
That was allowed to happen for the blood sacrifice to sustain her.

Look at her now, the blood magic wears off after 10 years and it's starting to show.

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>>222518042
Like the first guy said, the issue is that the listed losses are comically small for the things we see happen

>>222518333
>paralyzes everyone in place
When Charles Xavier did that at the hotel in Logan for just a few minutes, people nearly died.
When Jean did the same for 15 minutes, everyone is 100% back to perfect health afterwards.
Even if you grant her the benefit of the doubt and say she didn't seize up their diaphragms, just imagine how many people were drinking something at that very moment and drowned? How many were on stairs mid-motion and fell and broke their necks? How many kids were playing baseball or soccer? How many people were showering and holding their breaths as they lowered their heads under the showerhead?

Jean went on a wholesome rampage while villains go on regular rampages
--MCU writers

>>222518382
Wanda at least is canonical villain and always was in comics. She was always unhinged and those made up kids was actual storyline in House of M. She was the reason why mutants disappeared.
I just don't think MCU writers did it on purpose, but she is a villain in movies for longer than she is a hero.
Jean at the very least have excuse of Dark Phoenix, but Wanda is just Wanda.

>>222518425
Charles didn't freeze people in that incident, he basically broadcast a stroke into peoples brains

>>222518425
The writers don't think of things like that. They just think "what would look cool?"

Blame 90s comicbooks, which pushed edginess at the expense of character.

>>222516784
Yeah that one just didn't make any sense or slow spiderman down in any way. Wasn't even a damage control worker. Slip up in writing.

>>222518230
Might be so.
But the whole argument is less about the amount of people killed and more about the willingness to kill them, especially since there was no need to kill them.

A lot of people die or are hurt whenever super heroes are fighting. But usually, they are either :
A) Collateral damage because the heroes had to think quickly, tried their best to reduce the casualties but just couldn't save everyone AND stop the main threat AND stay alive themselves.
B) Direct victims of the villain, which either is actively aiming for it, doesn't care about it or doesn't realize.

In that very last situation, how the villain might react when he finally realizes can either redeem him or doom him.

If he doesn't care, that can be rationalized by an "the end justify the means", a bit like we had with the Lizard trying to convert people : his reasons aren't good but he isn't enjoying the suffering here.

If he actually is amused or enjoy causing suffering, we are getting at Green Goblin level of evilness : there's no accident, there's no "acceptable sacrifice" for a greater good (however flawed), there's no clumsiness, just petty sadism.

Here, Jean Grey is actively controlling people and putting them in harm way.
She's toying with people lives.

>>222518425
Just don't think about it. Please?

>>222518510
Not him but I thought that it was a failed dementia attempt at freezing and mind fucking everyone since he used to do that in the early X Men movies

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>>222518530
Feige, your days are numbered. I'm gonna serve you some warm cheese on a wooden chopping board, and you won't see the morning.

>>222518230
Because with all of the other stuff you can let the movie lie to you.
>the building was cleared before she blew it up
>she seized control of everyone but she let them breathe
>she wasn't going to let the hulk kill anyone
>she knew spiderman would save the guy who she dropped off the building
You don't see anyone die or get horribly injured so it's easier to pretend they are fine.
The guy getting smashed in traffic, you see it. No one saves him. There is no reason for her to do it other than being evil. There is no reason for it to be in the movie other than to establish her as evil.
And a lot of that other stuff are big set pieces. You can't easily cut them. This scene could easily be edited or reshot and it's completely ruinous to their characters. That it's in the movie is nuts.
Spiderman looses control and accidentally injures a cop in this and he freaks out. There is no way he watches her walk an innocent person into his death and ever forgets it.

>>222518498
Wanda is one of the core Avengers, having been in the team for decades. She's only tainted as a villain because of two hack writers (Byrne and Bendis) and the clownery of Waldron and Raimi.

Wanda is their most popular female character. Her merchandise sells (unlike other MCU females there are not hundreds of unsold Wanda figures in toy shops). You don't make your most popular female character who actually sells merch into a villain unless you are completely mentally retarded.

DS MoM was Marvel stating that they hate money.

Marvel clearly think they can replace her with Yelena, which isn't going to work.

>>222515685
>obsession:guys wishes to be loved
Every woman calls him a rapist
>woman mind controls people against their will throwing them in front of cars and off buildings threatening to make more kill themselves
Jewish owned business, women, and beta cucks says she did nothing wrong


I hate women and Jews so much it’s unreal

>>222518652
>she seized control of everyone but she let them breathe
How many people were drinking water when the seize began? Were at the top of a flight of stairs? Had a mouth full of food?
You faggots have no imagination or threat sense. How are you all still alive?

>>222518785
I know. There is a similar thing in Pluribus where the entire world has a seizure and like 100k people die. It's not that I can't imagine it. It's that the movie doesn't show it, so it's a lot less of a problem than actually showing something completely fucked for no reason.

>>222518785
Again, writer decides to be edgy but doesn't think about how things actually work.

>>222516555
Is the gatekeeping finally working?

>>222518425
>When Charles Xavier did that at the hotel in Logan for just a few minutes, people nearly died.
>When Jean did the same for 15 minutes, everyone is 100% back to perfect health afterwards.
So there's something important you need to understand about X-Men lore that you currently do not understand, so I will spell it out for you.

In every single instance, Jean Grey is stronger than Professor X. Jean being able to do something that Professor X can't is not strange, it is expected.

>>222517760
Yeah, the event of avengers 1, 2 and civil war killed less than 1000 peoples, it's retarded

>>222519015
functional illiteracy: the post

>>222518395
She's going to discard her frail vessel of flesh and ascend to true lichdom soon, then you naysayers will be sorry.

>>222518425
Imagine the thousands of car accidents, cause yeah, she stopped the peoples, not the objects so car were still going forward and maybe never stopped since the man behind the wheel had his feet on the accelerator

>>222519022
Avengers: 74
Winter Soldier: 23
Avengers 2: 177
Civil War: 26

Ross pulls that shit with the superhero registration law over 300 deaths

>>222519145
MCU loves super heroes, they even have a con for them.

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>>222514704
Jean isn’t a killer. Just tried to save her sister.

>>222519035
>purposefully being stupid

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>>222517879
Carlos!!

>>222517760
>Stop a bio terror super weapon from getting out
>only death is the terrorist and there's a small fire
OmG this mission was only 99% flawless need the sokovia Accords!

>>222514976
She's attractive but there's something uncanny about her
She's supposed to have more muscle and be more masculine. Her head is too large.

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>>222519223
It's so sad. It's just like when Hitler tried to save his people. And then the cruel world just chewed him up and spat him back out.

>>222520728
>rationalizing like a woman

>>222514704
She killed people

>>222515770
He'll walk it off.

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Yeah all those guys are just permanently maimed and crippled not dead

>>222515800
Just the fact that she unleashed the Hulk should be counted as an act of terrorism, similar to blowing up a building.

>>222514704
What is this retarded trend of writers not understanding their own stories and then scrambling together some "um ackshually" explanation when people find the cracks in their writing? That's fucking stupid.

>>222516900
...go on

>>222516555
boo hoo nigga bye

>>222517749
Bear did not know that that would happen, and his only two options beyond that point were killing her or himself.

>>222518017
Either the different tribes of Minions all had random cartoon bullshit reasons for never having discovered Hitler, since we learned in the latest Minions movie that there are different groups of Minions that we can follow historically, or Hitler is not evil.
Of course, the answer is both.

>>222518230
This is a different Jean Grey so this version of her doesn't suffocate people with that power. If she did, for that length of time, everyone in that bubble would have been dead.

>>222514704
They're correct. She as an individual didn't kill anyone directly, but she caused the death of people. Guy being run over by a car? So he's just fine, right?

>>222518831
The movie omitting it so that you like Jean Grey in the end is hacky as hell. They don't even make her confront it.

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>>222514704
But they made that unequivocally clear in the movie. Are people fucking retarded?

>>222514704
>So we wrote it so literally thousands are 100% either dead or mindfucked or mutilated
>but we will post on twitter that everyone are alright
>just accept it

how is this not an ultimate slop and disrespect of the adience? they treat it like a cattle (which it is but that is not the point)

>>222524803
>But they made that unequivocally clear in the movie.
they didn't unless you are being intentionally obtuse and count 'you are not the killer' as an acceptable writing

>>222524803
>Are people fucking retarded?
you are retarded, anon
you

why did Sadie jump into the body of a black man
making fun of the way a single White man lives alone
reduces punishers family being murdered to a "dis whyt boi need some milk"-esque joke

my sister died in a room surrounded by MEN!

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>writers give exegesis on work that contradicts the work
why does this keep happening

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>>222514704
>the charges, officer?
only in the most technical sense did she not kill, but she's definitely responsible for innocents' death. Obviously they fucked up and are trying to soften it a bit since she's supposed to be a "hero" in a future movie.

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>>222514704
what about those guys?
everybody else we can argue could have survived, but she kills some on those guys in spiderman fight

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>>222525950
It’s ok for women to mind rape people and even use them as their fuck toys.

she is veddy sexy bhabbi and i am hindustani man so it is okay she is gud girl i vanna smooches saadie

>>222514704
>She didn't kill anyone she just severely crippled dozens of people acting like a complete sociopath, take that chud

>>222517760
Blame Man of Steel for genocide

>>222514704
Even if that man hit by the car didn't die (unlikely) he's still hurt horribly, he wasn't exactly young either, will never really recover and live out his final days in misery

>>222514790
White womyx super oppressed and cannot be guilty ever. And if she’s Jewish, the state has to pay her money when she commits a crime!

>>222528188
>>222514790
based knowers

The kills didn't even contribute anything.
The guy hit by the car was just to shock Spiderman, who must have already understood the danger.
The big forcefield meant Punisher had to snipe from a distance, but he'd already been mindraped, so just make him keep his distance to avoid that happening again.
Blowing up the prison put Scorpion at risk, and a destroyed building doesn't benefit her. Was it meant to distract Spiderman? Or was it just to have a bomb handy, just in case? They could have had Spiderman realise the bomb was there and he could go and disarm it or throw it in the river (I believe that building was near a river) without impacting much.

Killing DoDC and The Hand contributes to the story.
And the recklessness of unleashing the Hulk was needed to.

But ignoring that, I don't think her being a killer even matters. Spiderman saved her life, but it's not like he chose to let her escape, he was incapacitated. She could have fled before the Punisher made it into the facility (he would have been focused on saving Spiderman at that point). Or she could have argued to him apprehending her would have caused Spiderman to die (as she was breathing for him).
The only thing her kills impacts is her own character (and potentially how later movies need to treat her). Saying no one technically died is just contorting the world to benefit her, and does more damage to the story than having her be a killer.

>Spiderman has god tier reflexes/can sense danger
>Somehow can't see a fucking car coming to hit the guy
>Somehow too slow to just web the guy out of the way

>>222517749
Having a demon possess her was not the wish he legit got scammed

>>222514704
>Aggravated assault causing bodily harm
>Attempted murder
>Property damage in the millions
The wrote her character as a villain, theyre gonna blame the phoenix to undue the poor writing.

Haven't seen it
Does she replace the nigger as the love interest?

>>222517937
that stuff was so nosed it was unbelievable.
very next day some leftist puke commie "poet" is talking on behalf of everyone, and holding up his one finger - the exact same sign that the achmed terrorists do all the time.

>>222518230
why can't she be flown over india

>>222523475
let's hope his spriirt rises again, like a phoenix

>>222514704
I didn't consent.

>>222514704
>be me jean gray
>take over AOcs body
>go live on instagram and tiktok
>start sucking my toes and licking my soles for about 30 - 45 minutes
>become president
its literally that easy

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>>222515093
Spider-Man should be deported to Uganda for using AI surveillance to spy on everyone in New York. Now what faggot?

>>222514976
She’s too young in the first seasons

>>222528382
>Has danger sense
Why didn’t he know Mysterio was bullshitting him then