Why are goblins and orcs always working class English?
>>222529455The accents just feel right for that kind of character.
Bongistanis have the closest resemblance to them
>>222529455If your family has been working for more than 300 years and made no progress there's probably a degeneracy reason. Depicting groups of people in film is racist and there were probably some retarded cockney speakers who complained even at the time. The jackson films created local dialects and mannerisms in a nod to real history when people often grouped with similar folk out of convenience.
>>222529617says the disgusting mutt
>>222529455Sean Bean is working-class and English
>>222529455That’s just what English people look like
>>222531864For England, James?
>>222529455Look like coal miners from The Road To Wigan Pier.
>>222532100Damn I can hear that fucking pause music soundtrack in my headhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7lLHJ6yfH0
>>222529455But they were kiwi
>>222529455Tolkien used orc snd goblin interchangably
>>222529455I thought the orcs were supposed to be blacks?
>>222532524you need the transitive property of racism to arrive there. Blacks are offended by orcs because the concept of a normal white guy versus a subhuman monster is racist and blacks don't like racism on principle.
>>222529455Tolkien was a language snob. Eastenders, Mancunians etc butcher the English language, hence Tolkien made them into orcs.
>>222529455I think Tolkien conceived them as unidentified Asian hordes. Tolkien believed in white supremacy and the empire
>>222529455Biblically accurate Europeans.
>>222533437no he didn't. he merely knew that past people thought in those terms exclusively. Not to have a loathsome enemy in his beowulf fanfic would be turbo woke even in the woke 1950s.
>>222533437>"The treatment of colour nearly always horrifies anyone going out from Britain, & not only in South Africa. Unfort[unately], not many retain that generous sentiment for long." ― Letter 61 — Written to Christopher Tolkien who was stationed in South Africa during World War II>"I have the hatred of apartheid in my bones; and most of all I detest the segregation or separation of Language and Literature. I do not care which of them you think White." ― From a Valedictory Address to the University of Oxford in 1959>"It was Sam's first view of a battle of Men against Men, and he did not like it much. He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil at heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would not really rather have stayed there in peace." ― The Two Towers, "Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit".
>>222534191>"I must say that the enclosed letter from Rutten & Loening is a bit stiff. Do I suffer this impertinence because of the possession of a German name, or do their lunatic laws require a certificate of arisch origin from all persons of all countries? ... Personally I should be inclined to refuse to give any Bestätigung (although it happens that I can), and let a German translation go hang. In any case I should object strongly to any such declaration appearing in print. I do not regard the (probable) absence of all Jewish blood as necessarily honourable; and I have many Jewish friends, and should regret giving any colour to the notion that I subscribed to the wholly pernicious and unscientific race-doctrine." ― Letter 29 — in response to Tolkien's German publishers had asked whether he was of Aryan origin
>>222534212>"Thank you for your letter. I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend by arisch. I am not of Aryan extraction: that is Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the eighteenth century from Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject — which should be sufficient. I have been accustomed, nonetheless, to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war, in which I served in the English army. I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride.>Your enquiry is doubtless made in order to comply with the laws of your own country, but that this should be held to apply to the subjects of another state would be improper, even if it had (as it has not) any bearing whatsoever on the merits of my work or its sustainability for publication, of which you appear to have satisfied yourselves without reference to my Abstammung." ― Letter 30 — Written directly to Tolkien's German publishers
>>222534191>>222534212Tolkien? More like Wokein
