The gay community will try to convince you that animation quality world wide (The US, animes made in japan and animation made by the third world) didn't decline after the early 2000s switch from cels to digishit. Literally every good animation ever made was made on cels
Cartoons are for children
>>222771018Thoughtful visual media where time and effort is put into it is vanishing. The trend is less time, less focus, less money, to more content that is shorter in time. Top - Tom and Jerry short before a film. People paid money to be in that theater, which pays for lavish animation. Bottom: Some flat 2D flash shit they threw together just to say they have a new Tom and Jerry show. Kids watch it in the background and completely ignore it for the tablet in front of them. Instagram reels is the future of reality.
>the gay community OP would know
The world is no longer the meritocracy you either once knew, or once heard about. Some might argue it never was. The world runs on sheer nepotism, now. From the Rothschild Family on down, it is not what you know, but WHO you know. Or who knows you.The sooner you learn this, OP, the sooner you realize that we're all being buttfucked by those who never had to do a single day's worth of hard work in their life, the sooner you can accept it. Or don't. That's beyond my control.Perhaps you could go shoot a Rothschild.
>>222771018It's primarily economic. Digital techniques allowed them to cut costs -but they didn't keep budgets the same, they kept slashing them. It was a race to the bottom. Initially in the 90s, it was just digipaint. But then later on, they're using mostly digital tools that treat a character like a doll and just move them around. So that results in them wanting to have as few angles as possible, and just have the characters move back and forth on a plane with a background behind them.It's mostly economic - the money in tv and film is going down. Money in social media is going up.Social media IS "old media" but they found a way to have endless employees they pay very little to while they reap the benefits. Youtube is still seen as a bonus rather than literally working for Google. It's why they are pushing AI so hard. The tech compannies will finlaly be able to cut out the middle man - the creators. They can't write, draw, etc. but could only host the media of others on their servers and transmit it to viewers. Now the tech companies can just become the new content creators.
>>222771138I call it "Flatland" and you will see it all over digital artists, since it's what they're taught and what they learn since that's what gets people hired. They're not taught depth. "Adult animation" is ugly and flat.
>>222771018>The gay community will try to convince you that animation quality world wideI'll regret asking this, but what the fuck does the gay community have to do with animation?
>>222771199It's primarily the gay community that consumes animation.>source: trust me, bro
>>222771199OP is a faggot and his butt buddies were annoying him by praising shitty modern cartoons probably.
>>222771164Cost cutting results in flatland. But that means visually bland nonsense. The storyboards are kept minimal, and there's no cinematography to speak of. There's no way to fix this since kids don't even watch tv anymore. All of tv-film is going to die within our lifetime, and be replaced by Big Tech Social media algo-AI slop forever. You will sit watching cilps of old tv shows remixed with AI forever. "TV" shows will no longer exist, only short clips.
>>222771275And in the old days, when there were actual storyboard artists they would specifically try to avoid flatland. Now it's encouraged. We have no one to blame for this.
>>222771032cope, troon >>222771055>fap globe
>>222771309>cope, troonIronically I assume most of the fanbase for adults watching cartoons are troons. Which is why it's this way to begin with now.
>>222771055And if you think that's an unfair comparison:here. The Simpsons. The show that inspired Family Guy to begin with. Shots like this simply do not exist in modern tv animation. Maybe a film but not tv. It's all close up shots or full body shots. Just imagine how it would look in modern simpsons?>all four characters standing side by side for the viewer to see everything>bart holds onto burns and says he wants to be with him>close up of homer >close up of Burns saying something sinister
>>222771339Something like this. This is the default shot in simpson for like 15 years or so.
>>222771077>>222771219faggot>>222771199>>222771208
>>222771326you would know, tranny boi
horny perverted animators aside, this kind of sequence was not possible on the new tiny toons show. Comparing old Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, Simpsons, with the modern ones is night and day. Way less visually interesting.
>>222771339>Shots like this simply do not exist in modern tv animationexactly
>>222771395And New Tiny Toons. Notice how similar the visual format is to this: >>222771355Everything looks the same since it's all the same programs and the same work flow. Visual story telling is DEAD.
>>222771164God I HATE this wokeslop degradation of fantasy art
I learned it's never coming back. So cherish what we have. Buy DVDs and BD since we don't know what streaming will offer. We are in part to blame for this. We cut cable. We watched youtube. We undermined the very economic system that produced nice looking animation and tv shows and embraced slop. Netflix even tricked us, by trying to make good programming for a few years, until they found out they could make more money churning out endless low effort slop for the masses.
>>222771164>>222771446it's crazy how much nicer pre 2000s scifi and fantasy art was
>>222771449>wethe switch happened in the early 2000s
It's never coming back and we helped kill it. Every single person in this thread. Thus we need to cherish what we have. There's enough old media (roughly 1850-2010) to read and watch forever. >>222771543Digital switch happened around 2000, but that was just one step and many early 00s digital shows are perfectly watachble. What really killed them is after 2007, everyone including children, started flocking en masse to social media. The breaking point seems to be 2020, where people just stopped going to movie theaters. People will spend 4 hours on "film twitter", not realize that they spend 10x more time on twitter talking about film than watching film. ie they're not film fans they're twitter fans. The only economic model where old tv/film can work is without an internet acting as competition.
Simpsons has a higher budget than normal, so they actually have more dynamic shots than most shows. But the flat-plane is still their default.
More flatland. It's all over animation.>>222771613Also the show went on so long new and old characters have wildly different art styles. Old cast have round eyes, new cast have oval eyes. The new art style is fine, just that it clashes.
>>222771164>top: we're here to slay your dragon>bottom: sire, there are a group of homeless sodomites at the gates
>>222771199Gays, and especially troons, love anime and cartoons in general.
A bunch of working class men shoved into a closet and paid pennies produced absolute kino every week and cal arts fags with digital bullshit struggle to make bottom bitch animation a couple of times a year.
To put things into context. Media comes and goes and no one's heard of it because they don't watch tv anymore. And there's so much - so many streaming shows, so many podcasts, youtube vids, etc. Our current environment doesn't allow for it.
>>222771593>It's never coming back and we helped kill it. Every single person in this thread.the switch to digitshit happened in the early 2000s when we were kids
>>222771675Those were theatrical shorts - they were given pretty good budget at the time. The idea was to create short little videos that play before movies. Then the trailers replaced them, and then animated movie shorts fell out of fashion. The theaters kept adding actuall stupid advertisements too. If we were to do all this and have shorts, we'd have something like 30 minutes before the film started.There was a brief attempt to bring back shorts, but it failed. I'm Mad is the last one I know if, and shockingly it's quite bland and bad. no idea why they went with this. A random Animaniacs scene is better and more interesting.
>>222771675top fucking kek
>>222771018Cels
>>222771696>What really killed them is after 2007, everyone including children, started flocking en masse to social media. The breaking point seems to be 2020, where people just stopped going to movie theaters.Read you stupid fruit puff. The early 00s shows often were okay or nice looking. The digital switch allowed them to cut costs, but it's a boogieman if you place the blame entirely on that. It allowed them to make some shows that were similar in style to Hannah Barbera shows - simple, cartoony, flat, but whatever. The real dire trend is post 2012. I call the time before 2012 the "before times". It's never coming back.There was a poll some years ago showing that cartoons are being watched by people 28 or older. Kids totally checked out. That's why they're gay/queer now.
>>222771613All the Simpsons does these days is try to trick people by making their characters constantly over-emote by performing exaggerated motions with their hands/bodies when they're talking, because they're still mad about everyone saying that the animation looked robotic around the time they went to full CGI animation. It ironically looks more uncanny than it did before.>>222771628I want to say that's due to almost every episode now having "guest stars" where they're just bottom-tier celebrities that are basically run through a Simpsonizing filter. In the early days celebrity guests played actual characters, now it's just "Homer meets Mr. Beast" and shit like that. They can't draw them as actual Simpsons characters while keeping their distinguishing features because they're hacks, so they just draw a caricature and call it a day.
>>222771018Cels just got too expensive to justify. First it was doing away with hand inking and just scanning pencil drawings onto cels and then hand painting them along with the backgrounds, or doing extremely limited animation like Hanna-Barbera or Rocky and Bullwinkle. Then pencil drawings started getting digitally scanned with digital ink and paint when computers could do it at a high enough resolution and pace that made it faster than hand painting and photographing each frame. Then 3D got more advanced and did away with hand drawn animation all together, along with Adobe Flash being used more for 2D. Now anything 2D is heavily assisted with vector puppetry and/or 3D because the labor to do hand drawn frame by frame is way too expensive because comparatively, it takes a ton more hours to do it against 3D animation or vector shit. So, it's arguably been in decline since the mid-century. Animation is a commercial art, the bigwigs ultimately in charge don't see art, just a means to an end to make money, so unless you are making an independent or artsy film on your own, hand drawn 2D cels is never coming back to the mainstream, hell it's becoming rare for a cartoon show or movie produced these days to have even hand drawn 2D, everybody is using ToonBoom where you just have to draw key poses, and the inbetweens can just be puppet and drag/drop shit.
>>222771199Seth McFarlane has a monopoly on animation
>Oh boy do I love being stuck in FLAT LAND.>>222771756Yeah, they got wind of us bitching. The complaint about Robot people in Flat land is a bit out dated. Now they over-emote. But you can tell there's still no strong storyboarding taking place. It shows that no matter how much money you pour into soething, they can't do something as simple as make a show in the style of a 1991 show. Storyboard artists need to be trained. They haven't trained them for like 20 years now. The old people just retired.
>>222771744interlinked>>222771750it already happened by 2000. digishit is why everything looks like shit and it happened back in the year 2002ish
>>222771833The Tiny Toons reboot is one of the flatest shows ever. Every shot is like this.
>>222771759>decline since the mid-century.they weren't using digishit in the 1950s, retardo
I would say this thread should be on /co/ but frankly, no. /co/ is utterly insufferable because it both has the worst aspects of /tv/ (aging millenials stuck in 2016 and endless tranny bait) but also the complete opposite - Tumblr rejects that would make BlueSky users seem agreeable.
>>222771847In the 90s we'd handmake these stages and act out scenes with dolls and cardboard cutouts on them. Honestly had more layers than anything made today.
>>222771839No. That's a story we tell ourselves to remove culpability from ourselves. There's early 00s shows that look fine, and even normal. Some flat digipaint or whatever. But they sometimes had storyboards and looked like real shows all the way past 2008. My thesis is increasingly after 2007 kids and teens checked out of tv/film and increasingly went online. The more addictive and the more content the better. Kids now are on discord, playing games, not watching tv shows. >>222771847Look! Actual depth! Not possible on new tiny toons.
>>222771833>style of a 1991 show.back in 1992 batman was animated by the akira studio >>222771875>I would say this thread should be on /co/there's no way in hell I could make this thread on /co/ calling out faggots in the op and not have it deleted
>>222771903normies can tell you the exact episode pokemon went to digital paint, reddit spacing homo. it was the switch to digishit and the US and japan had largely switched to digishit before 2007
>>222771918>preemptively pretending to be oppressed by janniesThey don't do shit on /co/.
>>222771945>reddit spacing homo. iMight as well be called 4chan spacing. Pokemon was always a cheap show, but they at least had nice backgrounds. Yes, there is also an anime Digitpaint Dark Ages in the 00s where shows looked bad. But there's also shows that looked fine - Digimon Advnetures was well liked, and it's also digipaint. Batman Brave and the Bold was made in 2008 with actual storyboards and dynamic angles. It looked normal.
>>222771983Totally Spies is an early 00s show, and while obviously fairly cheap, they at least tried. I've never seen anyone complain about that show being too flat or anything. It has neon colored digipaint rather than using cels. I believe at this point they were still using storyboards, and still drew the characters on paper for each scene, before scanning them digitally and painting the scenes. Later animation techniques mean you can move characters around like dolls. Execs looked at that and said "wow, guess it means we can fire half the staff!". Storyboard artists go the axe.
>flat>so it tries to over-compensate by having them move their faces funnyCan't make up for the fact how flat it is.
>>222771018The gay autists on ADHD meds just like their oversaturated, painfully bright colors. It makes their rotted zombie brains feel better, I guess, but you're right and anyone who says otherwise is retarded.
>>222771199The 2010s made it so that they were the target audience instead of kids.
>>222771164I used to love D&D, now I feel like I'm going to contract HIV if I just look at the shit.
>>222771952I've gotten my threads deleted for making confederate scooby doo threads and threads about the literal plot of several captain planet episodes/quotes from captain planet >>222771983nah, it's reddit spacing troon, only reddit uses itbatman BatB looks way worse than the 1992 DCAU batman. hell justice league looks worse than 1992 DCAU batman
>>222771055family guy or south park are not examples of west animation, Disney, DreamWorks, Don Bluth, Warner Bros, Batman and Spider man cartoons from 90s are
>>222771675yeah popeye kinoooo
>>222771138Want to know the best part about the AI slave run that the government is pushing as a smokescreen for the massive digital manipulation weapons they are building across the country? It will render all IP on earth functionally worthless. No form of online only media will be worth buying let alone watching anymore.Let's not get into how it's going to end silocoln valley and every single paid intellectual and creative job and company on the planet in less then 5 years. We can put LLMs on shittty pcs you can pick up in ewaste and make your own media and fulfill all of your own software and creative needs at home!LOL.
>>222772002oh yeah, totally spies is French animation, wakfu french animation, Witch also French.My favorite Winx Club is italian.
>>222772283That sounds like a janny with an oddly specific gripe.
I don't care how impractical, slow, or expensive it is. There's nothing like seeing real ink and real paint.
>>222771199Animation, especially western cartoons, have massive gay/furry/troon fanbases.
>>222772395This is what I grew up with... didn't know how good I had it, until it all went to Hell.
>>222772423anime does too
>>222771339the simpsons didn’t have crazy animation but it was cinematic
>>222772423Anime is what turns many hypersexuals into troons because of how androgynous and cute all the characters are.
>>222771833>Yeah, they got wind of us bitching. The complaint about Robot people in Flat land is a bit out dated. Now they over-emote. Futurama - Throw a pie or two for god sake https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1BHjRl6A6jU
>>222771164obviously the art style is the point here, but for some reason the bottom pisses me off more for another reason - the expressions.why are they all smirking and smiling to each other? they look more like a group of friends who're going to sit round a table eating snacks and telling jokes than a group about to embark on a dangerous journey or mission. could these people ever have any serious debate or clash amongst themselves due to differing opinions or ideals? i somehow don't think so
>>222772423I wouldn't really call them "massive" per se, I would say it's more like they're obnoxiously vocal and narcissistic. It's why they have to go around telling everyone how X, Y, and Z has a massive cadre of fags that are into something, they have to make it about themselves. You never hear about something have a massive normal person fanbase.
i never cared much for mass produced animation/illustrated media. the creative aspect is diluted and sacrificed, and thats what ai will replace. you can still do original drawn illustration/animation, but now it will be exclusively from people who are otherwise wealthy or really really care about it. i would also say there is a good chance ai has peaked or gotten very close to its peak, it still lacks something, especially in illustration where there is less room for error and more creative expression.
>>222772368yeah and they/them would have the same gripe if I said modern animation was bad and blamed the homos
>>222771018>after the early 2000sAnimation has been declining since the 1940s, zoomer.
>>222772284and all of that died out in the early 2000s>>222772295>>222771675there's some chinese thot on IG who lives on a farm and makes cooking vids and she always says she's Popeye when she picks up something heavy
>>222771018>(The US, animes made in japan and animation made by the third world) didn't decline after the early 2000s switch from cels to digishit.They switched to digital out of necessity. Warner Bros realized they could licensed anime for cheap and gave up. Disney went all in on 3D and never looked back. The people doing 2d animated cartoons in the US are doing it on shoestring budgets and can't justify using cels or even having an interesting composition. Most of the cartoons you remember growing up didn't make a lot of money. Spielberg is the only reason the 90's tiny toons had a budget. With Ted Turner dead there is no wealthy benefactor who wants to risk spending a lot of money on cartoons. The only 2D cartoon with a real budget today is Invincible and they blow it all on famous voice actors. >>222771138>It's why they are pushing AI so hard.If you look into Google's creators (Larry Page and Sergey Brin) AI was their endgame the whole time and they bought youtube, scanned every book, and mapped all on Earth in order to make it real.
>>222772550>why are they all smirking and smiling to each other? tYes, that's the point. They're just making their idealized self-insert and idealized socializing fantasy. This is how they think idealized people are. No one's heterosexual, everyone's gay, everyone is inclusive, there's no disputes. Concord is the same thing - a video game, but the same class of people drinking the same twitter Koolaid are making everything.D&D characters are murderous hobos, but you won't get that reflected in official art now.
>>222772395this>>222772550because it's a friends game for tranny theater kid friends who can't take it seriously. it's why gayew can't have a good feud because they all have to wink at the camera like they're in on the joke
>>222772713>They switched to digital out of necessity.Disney intentionally fucked over Treasure planet, Princes of egypt and atlantis so they could tell their share holders that traditional 2D was dead so they could save money. There are or were enough disney stockholders at the time who cared about showing their kids/grandkids traditional 2d animation that had those movies not bombed the disney jews wouldn't have been able to kill the department
>>222772858Prince of Egypt was DreamWorks, idiot.
>>222771018>The gay community will try to convince you that animation quality world wide (The US, animes made in japan and animation made by the third world) didn't decline after the early 2000s switch from cels to digishit.Because they are digital artists themselves and think they are God's gift to earth. They see themselves as important and on the true path despite it all being shit.
>>222771018American animation declined because we don't value 2d animation anymore. If we wanted we'd have the best in the world. inb4 esl brown rage
>>222771395this is what turned me trans
>>222772858>Disney intentionally fucked over Treasure planet, Princes of egypt and atlantis so they could tell their share holders that traditional 2D was dead so they could save money.This is true, Disney tried to cut costs everywhere after Roy Disney left. The animators who still try to use 2d today use digital today because have to use it. There is no way they can get a budget for cels. The only animated show from the US I'd call high effort in the last 10 years is maybe Smiling Friends.
>>222772887I know you fucking moron. Go look up steve jobs, disney and the history of a bugs life, prince of egypt, shrek and antz. Disney was intentionally trying to fuck with the release of prince of egypt. dreamworks tried to blackmail steve jobs into releasing A bugs life late because disney and pixar were trying to sabotage prince of egypt you retard >>222772977disney intentionally sabotaged both their own and dreamwork's traditional 2D releases in the late 90s and early 2000s
>>222773024disney had to send some of their people over to japan or somewhere weird because they have traditional cel animation for some stuff at the disney theme parks and only the theme parks (maybe the cruises too?) and none of their animators were trained on how to do cels
>>222771411I forgot that they even rebooted Tiny Toons. I'm guessing that went over about as well as the Animaniacs reboot, which is to say not very well at all.
>>222771716It was kino when Disney was doing Roger Rabbit/Baby Herman shorts before movies in the early-00s.
>>222771018It seems there is a sort of misconception. Even after the shift from cel to digital, it is not uncommon for anime backgrounds to be hand-drawn and hand-painted. However, characters are now colored digitally in almost all animations because hand-painting every single frame is extremely tedious.And yeah, it's true that hand-painting is superior to digital coloring and blends better with hand-drawn backgrounds, but there is room for improvement in digital coloring.
>>222772713>The people doing 2d animated cartoons in the US are doing it on shoestring budgets and can't justify using cels or even having an interesting composition.Money goes where the eyeballs are. People in this very thread want to not watch these shows, yet they are somehow great looking? Where would the money come from?>Most of the cartoons you remember growing up didn't make a lot of money. Spielberg is the only reason the 90's tiny toons had a budget. With Ted Turner dead there is no wealthy benefactor who wants to risk spending a lot of money on cartoons. There was a period of time when there was an Animation renaissance. Specifically it was guys who grew up in the 60s and 70s when tv animation was crummy, and they wanted shows to look more like the classic WB and Disney shorts they grew up on. So they cared. And the budget was there. That's gone though. Post 2007 world this kind of budget just doesn't exist. >8.8 ratings - 8.8 percent of households, with 91 million house holds - almost 8 million people >Star Trek TNG - averaged around 10 ratings We're never going to this kind of world again. There's too many things to watch. You spend 8 hours on youtube rather than tv. More money is made overall in media, but individual projects earn less.
>>222771294Kino image
>>222773274gibli movies made after 2000 look worse than the movies made before 2000
>>222773053That had zero to do with 2D animation and everything to do with Jeffrey Katzenberg. Maybe you should stop trying to make everything fit your narrative.
>>222772686Different generations thought differnetly, and what they grew up with was god's gift to the world. Here Chuck Jones throws shade at Tiny Toons. Now Tiny Toons has a fanatical autistic male fanbase, that treats it like god's gift to children's programming. The show had its first obsessive stalker fan, who stalked the voice actress for babs and actually caused them to end the show early. We probably could have gotten another season out of it. They moved onto Animaniacs, which I always felt was somewhat inferior since i never liked the Warner siblings (they felt like jerks, while Babs and Buster were good guys).
>>222771660>>222772423And how exactly do you know this?
>>222773416Source to a Tom Snyder interview.
>>222771018>>222771199Gay dude here. I've never heard of this. OP is indeed a faggot.
>>222773437>>222773437There's a reason I haven't been to /co/ since 2012, why it's called /co/mblr. There was some polling showing that modern tv animation is watched by people over 25. If I remember, right this was pre-covid. The post 2020 numbers might be 0% since no one is watching them. Little kids watch that Rescue puppy shit, but that's it.
>>222773464>To give you a broader view, I can introduce Statista’s 2018 survey that says over 60% of Americans aged 18-49 watch Cartoon Network, a cable television channel with children 6-14 as its target audience.Yep, that's the one.
>>222773400I agree. I mean it’s not bad. Spirited Away, Howl’s Moving Castle and Ponyo are all technically digital and yet beautifully made, but movies like Porco Rosso were peak cel anime and looked better.
>>222772283>nah, it's reddit spacing troon, only reddit uses ithe literally showed you posts on 4chan using that spacing before reddit existed
>>222773416what was wrong with tinytoons? not familiar with it
>>222773409>disney sabotaged atlantis and treasure planet due to jeffry katzenbergyou're retarded
>>222773416>Here Chuck Jones throws shade at Tiny Toons.kek
>>222772283>nah, it's reddit spacing troon, only reddit uses itYes, reddit invented paragraphs.
>>222773462faggot
>>222772471>the simpsons didn’t have crazy animationhttps://youtu.be/n8K0p7Brq7E
>>222773464>Little kids watch that Rescue puppy shit,the one that blacks were seething about so people made memes about the dogs kneeling on pit bull necks?
>>222773563>before reddit existedit was called dig back then, zoom zoom >>2227736502 sentences does not a paragraph make, zoom zoom
>>222773584>what was wrong with tinytoons? not familiar with itTiny Toons was very much in the line of The Simpsons, and full of parody and satire and irony. So he probably just saw it as blasphemous. it also had a pretty big budget and looked good for tv animation. But it was a "hip" update on shows that were considered dated, so that might offend some people. The kids loved them though.The animators were also horny and it shows. Animaniacs was the next project for the team ,and it had smoother animation with a bigger budget.
>>222773701>>222772283I do this like every other week. There's a theory that reddit users can be spotted because they format their posts with extra spaces. But as shown this style was popular on 4chan and the Japanese imageboards too. It's completely dated because the THEORY was based on reddit's old manual formatting and they've moved to automatic formatting like what 14 years ago? It's some zombie theory that doesn't die.
The Technology has been lost.
>>222773612He founded DreamWorks, you absolute retard. He did nothing but make enemies at Disney, then he tried to compete with them. If they fucked with Prince of Egypt in any form or fashion, for which there is no evidence here or anywhere else, it was because of him, not 2D animation. You conspiracytards are as ignorant as you are irritating.
>>222773707Incredible what animators used to be able to draw with only 1 hand.
>>222771677that show was shit. the writers made buster and babs siblings.
>>222773845>Incredible what animators used to be able to draw with only 1 hand.They were just horny men, but unintnetionally helped create "furries". These animators were just drawing characters and considered them women, and they were horny so they drew them as sexy women in scanty clothing. Young males got turned on by these things and it imprinted what "sexy" was for them. Then they all joined the internet and started sharing these things. The Furry Fandom traces itself directly to shows from 87-93, and Tiny Toons was the worst offender. >>222773893Yes, there was a bit of a "will they or won't they" angle to things. Heavily implied they are in fact destined for each other.
>>222773936Superman split them up with super speed because he doesn't want Lois touching groids
>>222773967holy based superman
>>222771032You're using 4chan.
>>222773751faggots always reddit space>>222773760kek>>222773771they intentionally released treasure planet and their last 2d animated movie, winney the pooh the same weekend as harry potter.Disney was intentionally fucking over 2d movies in the 2000s so they could justify cutting costs, retardo
>>222773845kek>>222773795this caused the furry problem >>222773893wait, so they retconned it so buster fucked his sister?>>222773910who the fuck is watching the "live action" disney remakes?
>>222773929>>222773936>quality>>222773967>>222774124>random shitty no smoking PSA mogs the shit out of every cartoon from the past 20 years
>>222774170Treasure Planet was almost two weeks later, and Winnie the Pooh is one of the most profitable properties in the world.
>>222773664Please don't use that word. I am very offended now!
>>222774360kek>>222774293>almost 2 weeksgood thing no one saw the most profitable film franchise of the time after the first week>Winnie the Poohsure but they still fucking released it up against harry potter and it only made $50 mill on a $30 mill budget despite it looking better than any animated film that's released since then
>>222774197>they retconned it so buster fucked his sister?i saw one episode and gave up. the writers either never watched the original show or just didnt give a shit. i doubt they were implying incest.
>>222774409Quit moving goalposts, you said it was the same weekend. That aside, the last month and a half of the year is second only to summer for movie releases, something is going to go up against something. Correlation =/= causation, you fucking lunatic.
>>222774471>let's release a kids move at the same time as a harry potter movieit was sabotage you third world retard. there's no way they were that dumb that they did it by accident, troon
>>222774197>who the fuck is watching the "live action" disney remakes?normies. i remember a co-worker complaining that she bought aladdin on streaming and got the cartoon instead of the live action.
>>222774631what the fuck?
>>222774527There's a lot of logistics that go into releasing a movie, putting it off and releasing it in February would have given your stupid ass a better argument than releasing it in the holiday season when people go to the movies regularly. You're pretty fucking dumb, you know? You have zero understanding how any sort of business works, you try to make evidence fit your conclusions rather than the other way around, you ignore other factors, like Treasure Planet not being very good and audiences starting to tire of Disney movies after more than a decade of prominence, and what evidence you do use is shoddy, if it's even true. This argument started out with you saying Disney was sandbagging a movie they didn't even make, and now you're faulting them for releasing it in one of the key periods of the year after getting easily researched dates wrong. Your assertion about them abandoning 2D isn't even wrong, but you have no solid arguments because you're too stupid to find them.
>>222774707she was a black woman that was a will smith fan. i don't know how she looked at a cartoon and thought she was getting the live action movie.
>>222773751Seems gay. But people who redditspace always are troon aligned so good on you for making it obvious
>>222774808>a will smith fanlol
>>222771395I NEED Babs to crush my little balls with her heeled bunny feet.
>>222774767>no disney totally released them the same time as harry potter by accidentdidn't read, you are gay and retarded and probably from one of those jewish countries like croatia or romania>>222774808> i don't know how she looked at a cartoon and thought she was getting the live action movie.>she was a black woman
>>222775198Lil blud clicked post on this
>>222773707jeez was the tit bounce really necessary?
>>222771032Correct
>>222773701Not letting that slide, fatso.> A paragraph is a distinct section of a piece of writing that consists of one or more sentences focusing on a single main idea or topic.
>>222771032yes, and that's what the thread is about. traditionally there have been high standards for children's entertainment, which is not the case anymore. instead they are fed soulless, if not completely AI generated garbage that fries their brains and stunts their mental development. proper brushwork gives depth to art and promotes children's imagination.
The same people that tell you cartoons are for children buy literal toys (warhammer) and books about those toys.
>>222775536you didn't write multiple distinct thoughts you fat cripple
>>222771164The thing these faggot artists do where all their gay faggot characters all give each other the side glance or have this weird wide mouth smug look for a grin to show that they are easy going or some shit is so annoying it's unreal. Instead of these characters looking like they go outside and face adversity head on, they all look like soft Tumblr people who sit inside all day and talk about millennial morality or lack thereof
>>222776337>they all look like soft Tumblr people who sit inside all day and talk about millennial morality or lack thereofCuz that's who is creating these things. They sincerely think that Millennial Moralists are the ideal people, the next stage in human evolution, and we are just cave men clacking around rocks. They even called the 70s people "Post modernists" simply because they are the next step of human thought, which comes after mere modernism. It got caught up with how weird and fucked up and stupid their thinking is, but it really is just supposed to be the next stage in human thought.They really think that. They think they've unlocked the keys to human knowledge. Social Justice will be a sweeping revolution that goes around the globe and their morals will remain unquestioned for millennia. This is also why they should be given every single position of power in society.
>>222771032True. But so are toys, Funko Pops, comic books, video games, sports, and every single movie featuring a robot, an alien, magic, or a superhero.
>>222771294>We have no one to blame for this.jews
>>222771032k, b, c.
>>222771018im pretty sure even faggots see the decline of well everything
>>222771032So are gays.
>>222777288whats this mean
>>222773751>But as shown this style was popular on 4chan and the Japanese imageboards too.The difference is being accustomed to doing it EVERY time.As opposed to 4chan allowing a single space line break.The double space being a more separative idea being conveyed, regardless of length of paragraph.
>>222775517faggot
It really does just look worse. Unengaging. Flat like a cheap Flash cartoon from Newgrounds.
>>222773670The heart attack and land of chocolate scenes were drawn by David Silverman frame by frame to achieve exactly what he wantedDude was also the one behind most of the old no-no sheets that defined the limits of what could and couldn't be done but without the fully HD bullshit from later seasons when he wasn't involved
>>222778121>SilvermanIt's wild to think that 40 years ago even a filthy kike could do something good
>>222771628The eyes aren't exactly the problem, O' Brien had oval eyes back thenIt's the general lack of cartoonishness, new celebrities have massive egoes so their Simpsons icon is just them in a barebones cartoon style. Compare how Carter and Bush were depicted back then with how Musk was depictedEven old O' Brien had far more cartoony elements than nowadays. And of course nowadays you won't have a celeb voice a random character like how MJ played the singing dude in that one episode, nor will they appear in a single gag, they have to star in the episode and use it to promote their bullshit and how great they are. Basically propaganda
>>222771449It isn't just perspective. It's also lighting. That scene most likely wouldn't be lighted like that if it were made today, instead it'd look like it was shot in a department store.
>>222771018If you only knew how bad things really are...
>>222771018>after the early 00syou're a couple of decades late there
>>222771164because it's easy to learn, and 'art schools' only exist to coddle rich kids and move them through the degree mill with as little friction as possible.
>>222778507But Hannah-Barbera cartoons were criticized for being a repetitive low budget slow at the time
>>222771628tell me.. why are the Simpsons green?
>>222771018The animation industry died in 2000s, there's nothing left of it, all continuity of skills and knowledge is lost, nobody can afford it anymore. The crisis was swept under the rug only thanks to the rise of 3D animation.
>>222771199You really think homosexuals aren’t intensely overrepresented in “art?”
>>222772184>heaving pendulous breastises flabbapering all over the scene
>>222771018>>222771199>>222778628Art has always been full of artfags.It's not the gays, it's the autists.
>>222772718D&D characters can be anything you want them to be. that's the point of an RPG.
>>222771659>not we’re here to thlay you’re “dragon” all night long sireone job
>>222774409>Disney in 2000 knew that Harry Potter was going to evolve into the generational defining franchise it becameokay dumbarse
>>222778609See how the 2014 has no outlines and only a few details? It's a flat render of a 3D character with no shading.The decline of the industry, given the state of technology, is unbelievable.
>>222773337the real problem nobody acknowledgss is there aren't any kids left to watch cartoons anymore. the generation of kids born in the 80s and 90s was the largest youth generation since the Baby Boomers, so there was heaps of money to be made marketing to them. but birthrates are in the absolute toilet now and have been for decades so there was nobody there to pick up the torch after millennials grew up. there are more retirees now than there are children in the country.
The proliferation of anime has also contributed to the decline.Very shit animation coming out of the east.All characters look the same, no dynamism, the only thing animated is a mouth.>inb4 anime fags show up
>>222771018>animes made in japanIt's called Japanimation, you rube.
>>222778609>1990-1994Those cheap looking baby toons were horrible. Anyone claiming or implying that the industry has hit rock bottom is delulu or doesn't remember that era/trend. That was rock bottom it's not even close.
>>222778745Fun fact: the ventriloquist and comedian who voiced this chinaman cat also invented the first mechanical heart
>>222771032and? should children only consume low quality slop? why should our children now be bestowed with wonderful art?
>>222778675lame excuse when enshittification is a measured and proven fact. This isn't the 00s anymore where it was ambiguous and these copes kept the facade together
>>222778765>a dozen "_______ Babies" fad cartoons were shit so that was worse than nowwrongo, pongo
>>222778678You're not funny.
>>222778745Nobody denies that the quality of anime plummeted somewhere around 2000 - 2004. There was a good pasta about the financial crisis they had there and how the bankruptcy of animation studios wrecked both the anime and western animation.
>>222778783children's media raises the next generation. I don't want to hear you whining next time you're traumatized by 'the gen Z stare' or when you're being beaten to death in the retirement home by some soulless golem
>>222773437This is a fact The anime to tranny pipeline is in fact real so be careful because it may happen to you or someone you love
>>222771018Fuck does that have to do with the gay community, you closet homo? You sound like you had a dick in your mouth as you typed this.
>>222771593What is this from?
>>222778675>human beings change over time>but media industries definitely don't, chud! they are always the same and of constant quality. if it appears to you that i'm doing a worse job than my predecessor, that's just a hallucination
>>222778822>watching Sailor Moon instead of DBZI think there's a problem with you Paco, not with anime
>>222771164even then, there are tons of stylistic flat cartoons that were and are still great. samurai jack comes to mind as a very minimalistic and flat cartoon that still looks incredible.
>>222771032Oh is that right? So you'd have no issues with me giving your child Heavy Metal(1981) for his birthday? How about Drawn Together, you gonna take issue with your children watching those things?
>>222778849Despite having a "flat" visual style, it still has far more depth in those 4 images than modern flatland bullshit.
Why does Invader Zim look better than your average kids cartoon?
>>222778530that was my point. HB (or more properly, UPA who HB were ripping off) were notorious for their cheap flat style, and their success with it is what set animation on the inevitable direction towards mediocrity. before HB, animation was Warner and Disney. after them it was Saturday morning toy commercials.
>>222778829>so triggeredWorks like a charm
>>222775841/thread
>>222778808Yes. The animation was generally crap as well, peak korea outsourcing. It coincided with the uncanny anthro crap as well like Goof Troop. It was the absolute worst.
>>222778609>that short spell of time in the 60s where some Soviet animation studio had complete creative control over T&J
>>222778897But back then the flat style was chosen because it was actually cheap. Every fucking frame cost money. Now there's no technical or budget reasons to do it. We have technology out of a science fiction movie. It's an intentional decision. Oh, and the old "flat" style had actual colors. Modern flat style uses only a muted, desaturated color palette.
>>222778849i think the problem with the op example here is that the colors are too similar so it all just blends together
>>222778969no, i agree with you. i was just showing an example where flat styles are totally viable and can have artistic depth.
>>222779003>>222778990>>222778849>>222778889overstylized slop no better than the OP
>>222772718Why even bring up your fucking video games into this, you spaz?
>>222778903Ah, here come the wojaks and the incoherent screeching.
>>222771138>economici mean that's always big part of it allbut i don't think it's just thatwe push for evolution which usually associates with having to do less work or shit like that i guess right?either way whatever
I miss the '90s.I miss being happy...
>>222778990Titan AE was Treasure Planet but good
>>222778874those are for adolescents, which are children.
>>222779017The digital coloring is too obvious in this movie
>>222771018not just animation btw
>>222779068>so bad it bankrupts a studo
I really wish Osmosis Jones was a good movie
>>222778874>>222779078>Heavy MetalFrazzetta is pretty cool... when you're in your teens.It was a part of my adolescence, but you do need to grow up eventually.
>>222771018I'm with you, but what does this have to do with the gay community?
>>222771199Once everyone was able to buy a Wacom tablet for less than a 100 bucks, it was fucking over. First came the no talent flash artists, then the furries, then the bronies, then the fags and now the troons. They infested everything with their CALarts shit. Thank god AI is making them all kill themselves in droves
>>222779068Morning cartoon-tier animation.
>>222779175>once we reduced gatekeeping, things got worse>thank god we're reducing gatekeeping even more, so things can get even worse
>>222779085>a failure at marketing means the movie is badExcuse me, sir. I didn't know I'm in the presence of the king of dimwits
>>222779018treasure planet and samurai jack is definitely not overstylized by any means. they have excellent cohesion and fidelity if anything.
>>222779247I'm fully aware of that. I just want all these fucking subhumans to suffer before I kick the bucket.
>>222779247>only the Big Jew can decide who gets a budget for the animation>and if it's yet another calarts troon, then it only means he's right
>>222779129really dd have potential if it stayed a noir flick.>focus on a white blood cell tracking down a bacterium>doesn't get love or admiration for it, just doing his job>instead of a cold pill drix is a vitamin, enhancing the immune system to preserve the theme of actually working as an immune system>end is melancholic and shows white blood cells doing this all over the body all the time>no framing device with bill murraydamn dude could have been kino, instead it had identity issues
>>222779300>treasure planetThe animation was great and it improved the proprietary 3D/2D technology from Tarzan.It sucked in every other aspect.
>>222779300>samurai jack is definitely not overstylized by any meansIt's almost abstract. If "abstract" meant you represent things with random geometric shapes even if they have nothing to do with the platonic idea of the object they're trying to represent, because it's technically easier (cheaper) and you're a hack.
>>222779129likewise, that art looks great
>>222778990>>222779003this movie is legitimately proto goyslop, if not early onset goyslop
>>222779280>marketing == successyou're retarded, right?
>>222779312you could have waited out the current jew, and the one that replaces him might have had views closer to your own, and given you the things you want, just like the things you liked in the past were also done under some past jew's rule. now that's never going to happen, now you're going to be at the power not of one big jew but a billion tiny jeets, and they are going to fill your culture with shit so vile you cannot even imagine how foul it will be, and you will end up nostalgic for the tranny calarts crap. you will shed tears for the golden age of the jew.
>>222779406how on earth is it goyslop? it's unabashedly languishing in the aesthetics of the age of sail and colonialism made by two catholic guys
>>222779441>furryslop for childrenI bet you the (((producers))) didn't let theirs watch it
>>222772686I'm counting at least 6 layers of backgrounds in that clip. Genuinely impressive stuff.
>EVERYBODY GET UP>IT'S TIME TO SLAM NOW>WE GOT A REAL JAM GOING DOWN>WELCOME TO THE SPACE JAM
>>222779441girlboss shitsubversive subjective moralitynowhere as good as the source material (other Disney movies accomplish this)lures idiots in with flashy images
>>222778838it can easily happen to appreciate some old stuff even more once you rewatch it as an adultwhile at the same time i admit you can realize some of it was dogshit you just liked cause you well you were justa fucking child
>>222779441listen, I like The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Atlantis the Lost Empire as works of art and as stories but I can still admit they are ultimately the stepping stones to the anti-European anti-male cancer of current year. They're not the same as the slop we have now but they did pave the way for it
>>222779463>>222779474i don't think any amount of grass touching or getting laid can fix the rot your brains have
>>222771032Children are the future.
>>222779520Woke wasn't built in a day
>>222771018that new Wile W. Coyote movie's animation looked like shit compared to Who Framed Roger Rabbit and Space Jam
>>222779532it quite literally was, to collapse occupy.
>>222779585Occupy was by the same people you utter fucking retardWoke is just more of the same, subverting western civilization by turning men into worthless sissies who kill themselves and women into retards who go on the cock carousel and die alone or get killed by roaming gangs of foreigners
>>222779474>girlboss shitThis is the only real complain about this one
>>222779613>Occupy was by the same people you utter fucking retardShalom
>>222779671Occupy didn't threaten anyone. It's just a cope for when left leaning types feel embarrassed by what their ideology has morphed into.>It's a corporate psyop! It's not our fault we can't distinguish a man from a woman!
>>222779671It's literally the same people in both pictures.
>>222779585thinking occupy was any kind of threat to anybody is colossal cope. at least niggers could burn a building down, occupy was just a big fat nothing.
>>222771018Everything follows the good cheap fast model. You can only have two and usually you only actually get one
>>222771032oh no you di'int!
>>222779689You are circumcised lmao
>>222779689If occupy didn't threaten anyone, why was the entirety of the "political" landscape resculpted from economics, policy, societal issues, etc, to race, gender, and where you like dicks to be put?
>>222779715>>222779671>no uWhy do leftists call you a nazi for questioning the elite?
>>222779671>dude but we held a signand then?>and the sign said, uh, capitalism bad or somethingand then?>and then we got cold and went homeearth-shattering stuff
>>222779733>>222779723>>222779715Same kikeNothing changed after occupy it was a small protest, less significant than the Jan 6th protests. The media pushing anti white shit goes back to the 90s
>>222779733>>222779696its always fun to think of literally all the politicians on capital hill shrieking in terror at... a self-guided tour. Then throwing up huge fences with armed guards.Now, you can call this an overreaction. Or you can call it the reaction of people who know they've committed crimes, besmirched themselves and their offices, who know they're corrupt and know that corruption will eventually be cleansed, and believed that day had come. Simply because something hadn't gone entirely to plan.
>>222779585and yet, now they have merged to become something even stronger. socialism is a rising tide, and it embraces a wokeness hardened and polished by the attacks of US, Israeli, and Russian intelligence agencies. does that make you seethe, little chud?
Something tells me that the Simpsons Movie sequel is going to look worse than the original
>>222779767>accuse others of your behavior/identity to throw them off balance and beat them to the punch
>>222779671Karl Marx was a jew and most jews vote Democrat/leftistWe aren't going to become communists because some kike thinks he can blame all of his evil on the free market
>>222779723>economics, policy, societal issuesIt wasn't like that before you dumb zoomer
>>222779767Media in general pushing anti-white bullshit started post-WWII and grew in the civil rights period, and then exploded in the 80s-90s and became the norm in the 2010sIf you go before that, jewish outlets have been hating on whites since forever lmao, even discounting all the jewish newspapers since the start hating whites you have jewish books from before WWII claiming whites deserve total extermination because they make jews feel emasculated by existing
>>222779799This is why theres so many jewish leftists calling people kikes now
>>222779806I was there. Yes it was. I'm older than you.
>>222778814Those pastas are almost completely gaijin bullshit. The reason the quality of animation in anime seems to have plummeted around that time is that the number of anime series increased dramatically during that period, and most of them were late-night anime.Whether you like it or not, the format of the anime industry developed around that time produced a massive number of typical otaku and weebs we see today, which in turn has made the industry many times larger than it was before.
>>222779671All the occupy fags support the woke insanity that's happening, dumbass.
>>222779826>its just an illusion that anime quality has cratered because they're... stretching labor thin across more series...... you should really just start using a tripcode.
>>222779816
>>222779733>>222779715I was there (with Anonymous). It was a nothingburger, a thousand peaceful protests at the same time still amount to nothing. It posed zero physical threat of destroying or overtaking anything if you think it was a revolution and that's what it takes you're retarded. They would have cleared it out in a second if a single shekel was in danger. The narrative that woke was invented to destroy Occupy only gets pushed by JQ deniers.
>>222779733nobody reacted at all. they just waited you out, and then all your comrades turned to "woke" as a way to cope with failure, because snitching on a coworker for misgendering a tranny is something that's actually within the power of the kind of retard that was into occupy.the whole thing's a repeat of what happened with the hippies, actually. much like hippies abandoned their wacky political ambitions to just get high all day, occupy tards all went home and trooned out. real politics turned out to be challenging, so they reverted to "revolutionizing the self."
>>222779832No, we do not. Collapsing occupy was a stroke of genius though. The White leadership had the choice of telling the niggers to shut the fuck up, and be declared racist, thus collapsing the movement, or stepping aside and letting the niggers take charge, and simply hope they didn't reduce the movement to nonsense, thus collapsing it.
>>222779869If the movement wasn't dominated by lefty fags that supplicate themselves before blacks it wouldn't be an effective strategy to begin with.
>>222779865>it posed zero political threat! That's why we ran around and got the niggers to think the leadership was racist to collapse it!
>>222779885nice total gibberish you posted there anonwait, why is the zogbot in the "animation quality has declined" thread
>>222779869Then your stupid protest crashed itself because your were low IQ pussies scared of being called racist
>>222779887please explain the threat it posed. you stood there with a sign that said "money bad." what do you think would have happened next? explain it step by step.
>>222779899Sorry your small brain can't parse them fancy 10 dollar words. Just ask if you need me to dumb it down for you.
>>222779887What leadership you clown? It was a decentralized movement. BLM was too as much as I hate niggers.
>>222779899>using /pol/terms while being a leftist bootlickerLol lmao
>>222779929It was guaranteed collapse vs .01% chance of not collapse. Not sure why you don't understand this. Of course we really are getting to the point where "racist" is a compliment rather than a scarlet letter.
>>222779849Are you crazy? Do you have ANY idea how rapidly the production of late-night anime has increased since the 2000s?Gaijins really bad at understanding this kind of thing because they've hardly ever paid any attention to things like which anime are being broadcast, on what scale, on which network, at what time, etc.
>>222779885You guys larp so hard it's just sad. Name one large right wing American public political movement that explicitly excludes niggers
occupy was the same kind of gay activism as throwing soup at a van gogh to save the whales or whatever. it doesn't do anything, nobody expects it to do anything, you do it because you want to be mentioned on the news. once people were mentioned on the news enough, they went home.
>>222779985Anon. You can't call a decline in quality an illusion and then say its due to needing to rush out more shit faster in the same breath.
>>222779984No it was 100% going to fail because leftists are retards
>>222780002>throwing soup at a van gogh to save the whalesIf the van gogh is owned by a whaling company and leveraged by said whaling company then destroying it would hurt said whaling company.
>>222779995Now the jew resorts to gaslighting because he has no argument
>>222771032Do you want the future generation brainwashed to be fucking gay?
>>222779995Which right wing movement was dismantled because the individuals were guilted into giving more of their platform to blacks?
>>222780039>destroying a piece of art would hurt a whaling companyNo it would make a middle class, low IQ leftist feel like he's getting attention
>>222780065The Republican Party.
>>222780073I accept your concession.
>>222780002>protesters just want.... atention?No shit. Only idiots like Jimmy Dore believe Occupy was anything more than that. Even calling it "Occupy" feels faggy and wrong there was no Occupy.
>>222780107protests are literally about drawing attention to an issue anon. that's why occupy's "issues" were shifted from a bailout structured to protect people's homes to race. the latter no one has to pay attention to.
>>222780083Then by that logic corporations are deathly afraid of the Republican party and subverted it with racial policies just like occupy. Does that sound right to you?
>>222780039but it isn't, and it's also behind glass, so the outcome of your attack is that a janitor has to wipe off a stain, and you commit the attack precisely because you know this to be the case. if there was real power in it, you wouldn't do it. that's also exactly what occupy was: you posed for pictures with a sign because there was no power in it, because exercising power is scary and not at all what you're looking for.
>>222780144>Then by that logic corporations are deathly afraid of the Democratic party and subverted it with racial policiesfixed with what quite literally happened.and yeah, they definitely want all "politics" to be about identity. Like how they want "republicans" screaming about trannies in bathrooms and not looking at who's creating the trannies to put in bathrooms.
>>222780090So you have no argument, leftist kike
>>222780148>i don't understand, I did have breakfast this morning
Cool World might not be good, but it's still a very unique movie
>>222780167My argument was >>222780039, and is mostly just a hypothetical on how destroying a van gogh could save the whales. You had no response, thus conceded the point.
>>222780164>corporations forced the left to be about social politicsYou bootlickers are getting more and more desperate. Corporations don't make immigration laws, the government doesNow answer his question instead of building strawmen
>>222780014I literally never said it’s an illusion. What the fuck, man. I’m saying there’s a reason it looks that way and it’s not that the average skill level of Japanese animators had declined at that time. Rather, the changes in the anime industry at the time were driven by a boom in more niche anime aimed at otaku, which actually expanded the size of the anime market a lot.
>>222779585>>222779671>>222779723>why was the entirety of the "political" landscape resculpted from economics, policy, societal issues, etc, to race, gender, and where you like dicks to be put?There are anons who were born pre 2003 so they remember that is what leftardism always was. Your gaslighting does nothing.>butbutbuttIf Muhcuppy got subversed by hecking establlishment and corporations, you will now explain why every single chungus wholesomerino leftist union blast that subversive message 24/7.You won't though, you will cope, seethe, and then dilate instead.
>>222780179its unique in how kim basinger can be a huge downgrade from anything.
>>222780188I did respond here >>222780073 which is when you refused to make an argument because you know you got blown out, leftist kike
>>222780194>>222779826>The reason the quality of animation in anime seems to have plummeted>seemswhat does "seems" mean in this context... oh wait you aren't anon at all. my bad.
>>222780200Not to mention the left was pushing anti-white policies in culture since the 90s in the UK and the EU
>>222780133>protests are literally about drawing attention to an issue anon.no they are not. nobody remembers why the lefties threw soup on a van gogh, and yet people continue to do activism of this type, even though they have seen a thousand times already that it doesn't achieve the stated goal of "drawing attention to an issue." that's because that's not actually the goal. the goal of activism is itself. they just like the attention, how it makes them feel. they like having an excuse to be a public nuisance. that's it.also, even if "drawing attention to an issue," was achieved, that is in itself a borderline worthless goal. extreme attention has been drawn to starving niggers, for decades and decades now. and? did they stop starving?
>>222780209That is a non-sequitur with an ad hominem anon. Thus, a concession.
>>222780240>in the UKwhy do you europeans pretend your country matters?
>>222780248I just goggled it and it seemed to be the ones owned by oil lobbies/companies
>>222780178i did engage with your hypothetical. right here:>if there was real power in it, you wouldn't do itif the van gogh was owned by a whaling company, and you could really destroy it, you wouldn't do it. you throw the soup because you know it does nothing. that makes it safe.
>>222780337have to admit I read it as soap.
>>222780300what are you talking about? the van gogh sunflower painting? that's publicly owned, dummy. it belongs to the british government.
>>222780416There's more than one anon. and lol at "publicly owned"
>>222780228I said “seems” because it is basically impossible to objectively compare the technical quality of ‘’all anime from the 2000s’’ with that of the 1990s.Not only do the number of titles differ, but the budgets and production schedules also vary, and the differences depend on the perspective from which you view them.
>>222780240I don't agree with the thesis that this was done to defuse occupy, imho it would have happened anyway because it's in the nature of the jew to divide and destroy with or without an ulterior motive, but what the change they're talking about is in the public posture of large corporations, not in what leftists think. In corporations adopting/enforcing a far left ideology.
>>222780452>and lol at "publicly owned"why?
>>222780461So the decline in quality is real because labor is stretched thin. There's nothing "seeming" about it. Its objective fact and you admit it. Anime has declined massively.
>>222778572>no snarky quips>no pop cultural references>no expository dialogue to explain what is happeningTerrible cartoon
>>222780497>it wasn't done to diffuse occupy, it was just jew nature to diffuse occupy...
>>222778287Didn't they make Musk when he was still an epic reddit chungus? If they made him now, he would look really different
Cats Don't Dance is underrated
>>222780515Do you consider “anime has declined massively” even when the popularity of anime increases fivefold and the numbers of titles increases twentyfold?Only gaijins who don’t understand what was going on would say something like that 20 years later
>>222780643>we don't care about broadening appeal>broadens appeal at cost of quality
>>222772284>south park
>>222780587yesthey really thought that asshole was "real life Tony Stark" and shit like that
>>222781106>theyYou mean you.
>>222778812yes I am
>>222772550yeah it's always either the smug smirks or the devious rapeface grin they like to put on characters sometimes
>>222771123You aren't supposed to talk about those families.
>>222771411I love how horny modern cartoons arethey turned that old hag into a hot muscle mommyI'd say at this point western toons have more fanservice than anime
>>222781615I think I finally have a clean definition for “safe horny.” It’s shit that makes people go “what? … ok”
>>222781384Then act like it.
>>222781749I don’t need to act funny. I am funny.
This thread made me want some mango drink.
