>I really don't get this era's trend of making the previous generation's heroes broken failures, let alone the propensity to say, "It didn't go after the credits how you imagined." I don't mind some surprises, but... It's almost like the writers' own senses of imposter syndrome have to be projected on the hero.I saw this post and obviously the first thing most people are gonna think about when they read it is Star Wars but it's kinda bizarre how commonplace it is even in the well received legacy sequels.Like Top Gun Maverick, I have no nostalgia for the original Top Gun because the first time I watched it was a month before watching the sequel. And even then I was still taken aback by how much it shat on the ending of the original.>actually he got fired after like a month and his girlfriend left him, fuck youWhat the fuckThere are a bunch of other examples so it's just a really weird trend. Avatar 2, after saving the planet in the first movie they immediately get BTFO in the second and have to run away like cowards. Blade Runner 2049, apparently Rachel died in childbirth a couple years after the events of the first movie. Shit like that.
Can we please just keep our threads limited to Sydney Sweeney, true crime and celebrity gossip?
Yeah he was named Maverick because of his respect for authority, the trait most needed for you to advance your military career. It's unlikely he would have been dismissed.
>>222772158Maverick wasn't a broken failure he was a private contractor test pilot flying the coolest black triangle ufos in area 51 for huge money
>>222772158wtf are you talking about. Maverick is actually heroic in that movie the opening scene has him say fuck it to authority and go in raw to break the sound barrier.fucking epic
Yeah, in the 90s they made the previous generation's heroes traitors and villains.
>>222772216The whole point of the original movie was that he eventually learned to work with other people, befriended Iceman in the end and mellowed out because he found love. It's as dumb as Han Solo going back to being a smuggler 30 years later, it's completely inconsistent with the development shown in the movie and is only like that because legacy sequels are scared to change things up and end up sticking with what's familiar at the cost of erasing character growth.
>>222772313Oh yeah, Mission Impossible 1 did that. The protagonist of the TV series ended up being the villain of the movie. They were originally going to bring back Peter Graves in the role but he was so pissed off by the script he refused to do it and they recast him as Jon Voight.
>>222772158>Avatar 2, after saving the planet in the first movie they immediately get BTFO in the second and have to run away like cowards.They didn't save the planet. The held off a single initial offensive from the megacorp bankrolling the colonization effort. If you couldn't see the events of the 2nd movie coming and why it had to happen that way I don't know what to tell you. What, you think you're going to make first contact, discover some insanely valuable resources, get your shit slapped trying to quell an uprising and just give up and go home after investing all that money for all that infrastructure? Get real.
>>222772158pilots are considerent ancient by the time they hit 40having a 60yo boomer play the best fighter pilot in history is one thing but still his reflexes would be shot, it's only natural to have a new crop of pilots after himstop being a nigger OP
Talk to me, Goose
>>222772384It'd be one thing if they had been preparing to mount a resistance and understandably failed but the way they presented it in the movie they were completely blindsided by it, just sat on their asses and fucked like they weren't expecting anything to happen then one day they look in the sky and oh shit, they're back. This despite the fact that the rerelease of Avatar 1 even added a new scene where they warned him they'd be back. An annoying writing decision clearly made to reset the status quo so that 2 could effectively be a remake of 1 for the benefit of the many people who were going to go into the movie without having seen 1.
>>222772158>THE MAIN CHARACTER I PROJECTED MYSELF ONTO HAS TO HAVE A PERMANENTLY HAPPY ENDING WITH NO STRIFE FOR THE REST OF HIS FICTIONAL LIFE OR IT'S AN ASSAULT ON WESTERN CULTURE OR SOMETHING!!!You really need to get ahold of yourself OP.
>>222772372No one talks about how crazy this is
>>222772195This but BBC, The Boys and snide obvious allusions to Trump.
>>222772158This movie and the Super Mario Bros movies are my biggest regrets not seeing on a screenx or 4dx theater. They didn't have 4dx or screenx in my state.
>>222772384>>222772505Avatar is the movie it works just fine in. The humans would always be back. Jake is a dumb marine. He probably told the Na'vi but they're also dumb savages that don't dwell on abstract things. And it's been around thirteen years since they drove them away. If you want to be mad about an unnecessary character assassination, point at the star wars sequels. The rebels win, han is a general, married to the girl of his dreams, and ready to be a stand up guy and good parent. Ha, just kidding. He's a dead beat loser, he abandons Leia, absent father, runs back to being a loser smuggler and loses his ship because he's such a retard. The EU was actually respectful of the characters and Han was a good dad leading a large family. He and Leia were respectable parts of the new republic government. But modern movies have to fuck over old characters.
>>222772158>I really don't get this era's trendThe shittiest generation of nepo faggot woke retards in charge of jew media are killing off previous cultural legends for various perceived slights against woke religion and White supremacy. Also no one can be happy ever aside from girl bosses in Demon World.
I don't know about Star Wars, but Maverick was kind of doing what he loved to do while running away from responsibility, all while Iceman, who was an admiral, sort of protected him.I wouldn't call him a broken failure, but he's comfortable in a low position.
>>222772158>actually he got fired after like a month and his girlfriend left him, fuck youIt's fundamentally different in maverick because he got fired for being a gigachad and left his girlfriend so he could keep sleeping around, more importantly at no point is his skill as a pilot or teacher ever upstaged. They literally beg him to come back even though they hate him because they know he's the best teacher and he 1 v 9s the entire student base.
>>222772158>Avatar 2, after saving the planet in the first movie they immediately get BTFO in the second and have to run away like cowards.this is based though because the RDA are white coded. More importantly there's just no movie without this, the fact that the navi won in the first movie was already unrealistic and gay. The fact they've done it 3 times now is gigagay.
>>222773200The movies unambiguously portray the RDA as being in the wrong from the very start, how retarded have you got to be that you keep watching them thinking "Maybe they'll win this time!", do you expect Cameron to just suddenly do a 180 out of nowhere? What the fuck is wrong with you? A great many things, I'm sure.
>>222772372>>222772580De Palma wanted to kill off the entire original cast too.
Top Gun 2 is like one of the only decent movies of the last 10 years
>>222773331>do you expect Cameron to just suddenly do a 180 out of nowhereNo, I just watch the movies because they're visually pleasing (though the 3rd was a bit of a stumble) and i a lot of artists were all about subverting expectations for a while but I should no better than to expect them to do that in a based way
>>222772584So, The Boys, The Boys, and The Boys.
>>222772158They fo this to cater to the audience.The Hollywood jews believe it's losers who are wasting their time watching their slop. Just like they cater to wamyn, niggers, fags and trannies, they cater to loser white men who can identify with the MC who is a failure.
>>222772158The whole humiliation ritual thing isn't just some random meme. It's an entire previously foreign to whites mindset that is expressing itself in whatever form of media it can
>>222772158Because it gives the character something to do. How do you make a movie with a character that is happy, successful and content?
>>222772158gladiator 2shits completely on maximus character saying he cheated on his wife
TELL ME WHEN YOU SEE SMOKE IN THE AIR
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>>222774639no cg btw
I don't get it either. They should just replace the older character with a new one. Mad Max did it and it worked well. I don't feel nostalgic for seeing old action heroes as old people. It's such a stupid idea.
>>222774637A good example, and even before that reveal it fucked up the original movie because Lucius had to run away and go into hiding and two fuckwit Ed Sheeran looking emperors pop up out of nowhere with no explanation. So Maximus died for nothing.
>>222772158Maybe Hollywood writers have this subconscious urge of chasing the Freudian idea of "killing the father". After all, what communicates your product better of being "the next big thing" or "the new better sequel" with a big metaphorical slaying of their 'parent' to reach maturity.It's actually a bit on the nose once you start seeing it that way, like some tiresome ritual killing of what came before but commonly accepted among fat cats with zero creative ideas.
