>>222775823
Haven't seen it

yeah he was ok. More of a non-entity

>>222775843
Ended up being 3/10 for me, don't bother.

>>222775823
>>222775845
You two niggers can die. He was fucking the bitch he knew his friend was madly in love. Putting aside how fucking insane and retarded that whole plot idea is (and only exists because the Ian fatso was the director's friend and he wanted to be the one to work-fuck Inde in the make-believe storyline), it was still evil and he deserved to die.

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>>222775843
Watch Teenage Sex instead

>>222775875
He knew Nikki was bad for him and didn't want to confront his friend with the truth to spare his feelings.

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>>222775875
>He was fucking the bitch he knew his friend was madly in love.
>it was still evil and he deserved to die.

>>222775883
His dating advice was solid though. Bear was a fucking pathetic beta male at literally every fucking turn, from not being able to tell Nikki off for his Chinese special sandwich to not reporting Nikki for Sarah's murder to not even having the courage to blow his brains out. Ian had no obligation to tell Bear about his fling either, it was actually sparing his feelings. Nikki even gave him a fucking chance to be straightforward, FFS.
God this movie sucked

>>222775933
he tried to let his weak beta friend down slowly, probably over a few weeks. While simultaneously being a good wingman for his actual looks/personality match. The people calling him evil most likely can't take or believe bad news either.
>gets a billion dollars
>first stop is his buddy
no one in this movie deserved him

>>222775823
>Gave his bro legit dating advice for the girl he was banging

He purposely torpedoed him

He told him to say "freaky nikki" shit to her which he knew she hated.

He kept stopping him from confessing his feelings to her, even though Nikki clearly wanted somebody genuine and real rather than the empty sex with Ian

>>222776113
>freaky nikki
Did you watch the movie? She's fucking nuts.

>>222775934
Based AI savior

>movies will all intentionally include ragebait now to try to get discussion going online

it's all so tiresome

>>222775879
>not at my kinoplex
It's like they want me to pirate everything.

>>222776145
"freaky nikki" is her mk ultra activation phase

Why do people make up these invisible demons to battle and then make a thread about it? No one thinks this guy was a bad guy

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>>222777114
Where else would you even watch it

>>222775933
I think he was trying to sabotage Bear by telling him to call her Freaky Nikki. He knew she fucking hated that, and told him to do it so that it ruin any chances he had with her.

>>222776113
>>222779684
IRL making a girl hate you is better than having her feel like you're "a brother to her." One of Bear's problems is that he was an awkward sperg with no sense of social cues.
They tried to make Ian look like a douche by having him give "misogynist" dating advice but none of the beta males on the production remembered that's the advice that actually works.

>>222778691
>No one thinks this guy was a bad guy
Kek what. He was nothing but a two-faced cunt

>>222779684
He was very obviously trying to sabotage him and give him bad advice. He knew Bear was trying to get Nikki alone during their trivia night, and as soon as he did he went over to interrupt them. It's not subtle.

You can argue that he thought Bear was bad for Nikki, or Nikki was bad for Bear, or was trying to do a solid for Sarah or w/e but I don't think it's arguable that he was deliberately trying to keep Bear and Nikki apart.

>>222775879
>Watch Teenage Sex
Anon, that's illegal.

If you don't tell your bro you've been banging his oneitis for the past two years, you're a bad friend.

>>222781263
yeah basically the problem with the movie is that Curry himself didn't really know he was writing a movie where women would perceive Bear as the villain. he only found that out late in the production process but had luckily filmed multiple versions of various scenes.

>>222781304
>He was very obviously trying to sabotage him and give him bad advice

>Don't be sappy and pour your heart out
>Actually flirt with the girl and invite romance
>Tease and neg her a bit
>Don't confess or ask her out during a group social event where the vibes aren't right, do it at the right time

Where was the bad advice again?

>>222781263
we don't really get an information about what Ian did to get into Nikki's pants.

the depiction of zoomer life is weirdly fake for a movie that connected so well with zoomers. Nikki doesn't know that Bear inherited his own house despite knowing her since highschool, all four characters work at the same music store (??), no one is constantly on their phone, they socialize in the same group by going and doing pub quizzes. etc.

>>222781456
>I fucked her a couple of times and she really enjoyed being called freaky Nikki as I plowed her and spat in her mouth
There

>>222781386
It's lowkirkenuinely none of his business. Yes, lying by omission to spare someone's feelings is generally discouraged by the bro code but this is one of those "it's better if he doesn't know" situations. He was very clearly willing to step to the side as well.

>>222781456
>Where was the bad advice again?

>Don't be sappy and pour your heart out
>Tease and neg her a bit

Also you predictably ignored him deliberately cockblocking Bear attempting to talk to her at trivia night

>>222781487
>the depiction of zoomer life is weirdly fake for a movie that connected so well with zoomers. Nikki doesn't know that Bear inherited his own house despite knowing her since highschool, all four characters work at the same music store (??), no one is constantly on their phone

The unearned 80s aesthetic is one of the most frustrating things about this movie. If you want to have a movie with 80s aesthetics (Bear's house, the music store, the diner, all the incandescent lighting), set it in the fucking 80s.

>>222781386
their "friendship" circle seemed to never actually share information about anything.

Nikki didn't know that Bear owned his own fucking house in 2026 for fuck's sake. she had to be told by him early in the movie.

>>222781512
>Also you predictably ignored him deliberately cockblocking Bear attempting to talk to her at trivia night
>>222781456
>>Don't confess or ask her out during a group social event where the vibes aren't right, do it at the right time

Not only do you not fuck, you are apparently mega retarded.

>>222781491
Maybe if Bear were the kind of guy that would spit in her mouth instead of pouring out his heart like a sap, he'd have gotten somewhere

>>222781515
True. There was no reason (as far as the plot is concerned) for this to take place today, too

>>222781493
>>222781386
the reveal that Nikki was banging Ian was also clearly (at one point in the writing process) supposed to make her look bad, i.e. that she didn't live up to Bear's unrealistc ideal of her.

but in the official reinterpretation of the movie post-release, Nikki is reduced to a one-dimensional suffering victim so Ian has to be viewed as some kind of sensitive cryptochad to exonerate her.

I don't know how to quite articulate it, but the thing that seems to be getting the incels mad is the fact that Ian somehow "spoiled" Nikki for Bear by fucking her. It's the same sort of autistic obsession (lol) a lot of incels have with wanting a virgin girl, or at least parallel to that feeling.
People fuck, get over it. Just because Nikki was getting banged out on the reg by Ian doesn't mean either of them did anything wrong or that Bear didn't have any less of a chance. It was his own damn fault for not being interesting enough to pull Nikki out of her FWB situation or for having oneitis for a girl not into him.

>>222781621
all the online discourse on the film is because it is a clever work of ragebait rather than a story trying to convey specific themes, etc.

>>222781512
>>222781539
I think Ian was more concerned with preventing Bear from ruining the trivia night than anything else.

>>222781539
>Don't confess or ask her out during a group social event where the vibes aren't right, do it at the right time

Except this went from "advice" to "active sabotage" which is a totally different ballgame.

>>222781618
>the reveal that Nikki was banging Ian was also clearly (at one point in the writing process) supposed to make her look bad
She does look bad, the onus was on her to be upfront and say "look, if you like me, I'm sorry but the feeling's not mutual. I also have a casual thing going on right now, it's casual but exclusive sorry."
As usual, a woman's emotional retardation and lack of communication skills ruins everything.
>Nikki is reduced to a one-dimensional suffering victim so Ian has to be viewed as some kind of sensitive cryptochad to exonerate her.
No, it's just that Ian was giving actual dating advice. Only incel beta males think it was sabotage, because incel beta males don't actually understand how woman's minds work.

>>222781670
>My bro's about to make a huge fool of himself by making some heartfelt confession while grabbing shots, I need to intervene
>Sabotage
Holy shit did only social retard spergs watch this movie?

Bear could have asked her out somewhere one on one at any time. He didn't because he was a fucking pussy, and was about to ask her out in one of the worst ways you can.
>>222781649
Still the right call

>>222781673
>I also have a casual thing going on right now
We don't even know if it was still going on

>>222775823
Why would you bang the girl your best friend apparently but not really has oneitis over? Why would you conceal it from him if you were actually in his corner? Why would you discourage him from being honest about his feelings and encourage his obsession when you know she's not into him like that?
>Wakes up hard every Wednesday morning thinking about trivia night
>takes Nikki home most of those nights
>Probably just excited to bang her
>usually she's drunk the nights he takes her home, he's cool with Bear taking her home when she doesn't want to drink
I can accept all of this being reaching EXCEPT for him fucking his friend's apparent oneitis and not even disclosing that to him. He would be a good wingman regarding Sarah if he didn't know how obsessed Bear was with Nikki.
>>222779684
>>222776113
I thought this too, but maybe she just doesn't like being called that by Bear.
>>222781487
>Nikki doesn't know that Bear inherited his own house despite knowing her since highschool
I think she did know, she was just perfunctorily asking and trying to encourage Bear to actually try to be something on his own and have some ambition like she did. And Sarah did. Only Bear and Ian don't appear to have any other things going for them, although in Ian's case perhaps it wasn't relevant.
>>222781591
Well the dating dynamics and mannerisms are all modern. It wouldn't have worked the same if they were actually from the 80s imo.
>>222781618
I thought that was exactly what it did, not make her look "bad" per se but basically reveal she was a normal, regular girl like every other one rather than some ideal girl that Bear put on a pedestal. And of course it helps underline that Bear never had a real shot with her, if she cared about him romantically she wouldn't have banged his friend.

>>222781703
>>My bro's about to make a huge fool of himself by making some heartfelt confession while grabbing shots, I need to intervene
This is called cockblocking btw, you don't jump in and stop a guy just because you think he's going to strike out.

>>222781754
It's not cockblocking if he doesn't have a chance.
He also didn't stop Bear from taking Nikki home, where they could talk together alone.

>>222781775
>It's not cockblocking if he doesn't have a chance.
It absolutely is, and anyone would naturally question your motives if you've been casually banging the girl in question

>>222781723
>Why would you bang the girl your best friend apparently but not really has oneitis over?
Do you need me to explain why men have a cock and balls?
>Why would you conceal it from him if you were actually in his corner?
Not his business + would only hurt his feelings
>Why would you discourage him from being honest about his feelings
Because that never works and puts you in the friendzone forever, maybe even ruins the whole group dynamic
>encourage his obsession when you know she's not into him like that?
So he should not give his friend dating advice?

See >>222781621, you are channeling that energy bruh

>>222781801
Sure you can question his motives but ultimately did he stop Nikki and Bear from being alone, or tell him to not shoot his shot?

>>222781860
>ultimately did he stop Nikki and Bear from being alone
He tried as hard as he could to. I imagine he would have prevented them driving home together too if there was any possible way to do that.

The best thing about this flick is how it makes people tell on themselves about why they are bitchless.

>>222781821
It's just not something you should do to your best friend. Plain and simple. It's different if you're both into her like that of course and she chooses one of you, and you are both aware of that. But just casual sex, and you're concealing it? That's fucked.
>See >>222781621, you are channeling that energy bruh
I didn't intend to, I don't think it's a problem if Nikki fucked a 100 men before Bear, it's just a problem that Bear's best friend knowingly was sleeping with her while knowing Bear is obsessed with her and doing nothing about it. At best, he's a poor friend.
>Not his business + would only hurt his feelings
It is his business if you are his friend, but there's no evidence Ian is even guilty about it. Even just coming clean would have been enough, it's possible he doesn't need to apologize for actually fucking her given the dynamic. Too many unknown details to know for sure. It might help kill the idealization Bear has of her at least, which is probably for the best.
>Because that never works and puts you in the friendzone forever, maybe even ruins the whole group dynamic
He doesn't have a shot with her, even Nikki correctly realizes the best thing he can do is move on. It's his obsession that ruins the group dynamic.
>So he should not give his friend dating advice?
Giving him dating advice is fine, lying to him by omission is not. It's about loyalty, fraternity, and friendship.

Confessing your feelings to a girl is the most retarded thing you can do. I did it a decade ago and it still makes me physically cringe. She gave me the "I'm not looking for a relationship right now" line and a few months later was hooking up with my co-worker.

>>222782030
It's so obvious in these threads when people have never been in an adult relationship with anyone

>>222775823
Am I the only one that liked his acting? Probably playing himself but still

>>222782030
If a girl actually feels the same way about you, confessing your feelings is going to work a very large percentage of the time. You are just working under some kind of mindset where it's necessary to be aloof and trick a girl into liking you before you're honest with them. It's a very high school mentality.

Why didn't Ian tell Bear Sarah liked him, or at least nudge him in that direction?

>>222775823
He really should've told her he was plowing Freaky Nikki and knew she was uninterested instead of letting him rehearse how he would ask her out ad nauseam.

>>222782045
Correct, in adult relationships you don't make a big thing about confessing your boundless depth of love for a woman, you just ask her out like a grown ass man.
>>222782113
>You are just working under some kind of mindset where it's necessary to be aloof and trick a girl into liking you before you're honest with them.
You mean the only mindset that actually works for attaining women, like the movie demonstrated not once but twice with Ian+Nikki and Bear+Sarah?
>It's a very high school mentality.
Bruh "confessing your feelings" is the literal high school trope.
>>222782240
He did.

>>222782310
>He really should've told her he was plowing Freaky Nikki
And how is that Bear's business, especially considering she was breaking it off anyway?
>instead of letting him rehearse how he would ask her out ad nauseam
So he shouldn't have given his friend valid and reasonable advice?

>>222782354
>You mean the only mindset that actually works for attaining women
For you maybe, is it so crazy to imagine that there are dudes out there that don't have to trick women into liking them?

>>222782438
>He thinks maintaining frame and being outcome independent is "tricking women into liking you"
Tell me you're bitchless without telling me you're bitchless

>>222782540
he's a good boy so women are bound to reward him with sex any day now!!!

>>222775823
>>Gave his bro legit dating advice for the girl he was banging
Freaky Nikki was bad advice though

>>222775823
>Characters who did nothing wrong
But he did do wrong. He didn't undo bad wish!

>>222779636
>he doesnt just "watch" movies by reading the plot on wikipedia

>>222781649
This.

>>222781512
If he wanted to cockblock him in order to retain Nikki, he would have called off the night and drove Nikki home himself, which seemed like the usual arrangement (that's how they ended up drunk fucking in the first place, more than probably)

>>222782113
>If a girl actually feels the same way about you, confessing your feelings is going to work a very large percentage of the time
Except if the interest was mutual it wouldn't even get to that point, there would be subtle moves from both sides which would converge into a kiss much sooner. The blurting out of one's feelings only happens when the interest is one sided, that's why it always results in a cringy blunder.

>>222782841
It was questionable advice but Bear's execution was the real problem. There's a big difference between calling her "Freaky Nikki" while teasing and flirting with her in a low voice while in her intimate space, and shouting "BYE FREAKY NIKKI!" at her as she's walking away.
It wasn't what was said, it was who was saying it and how.

>>222775823
>fucked friends oneitis for 2 years without letting him know
>gives shitty dating advice that he knows Nikki won't like
>relentlessly cockblocks bear as much as he can at the beginning
he's a faggot

>>222775823
>Hey bro, I know you have a crush on her but I've been having sex with her on and off for years. I should have told you sooner but I like her too
wow was that so hard?
>hey bro And Richters daughter has a crush on you, no joke.
Was that difficult at all?

Don't care but their YouTube channel is pretty funny

>>222784650
I know the beta males writers for the movie worked really hard to convince NPC autists like you that Ian's advice was "sabotage," but it's literally the advice that actually works in real life, and you'd know that if you actually pulled.
>>222784715
>just crush your best friend's heart with knowledge that wasn't even his business!
Yes, it is that hard. Are you even fucking human, or an autistic hylic with no grasp of emotions?

>>222784908
>DUDE CALL HER FREAKY NIKKI SHE LIKES IT TRUSTTTT ME BRO LMAO
>Nikki fucking hates it
kys

>>222784908
You are right but you are arguing with 4contrarian retards, pointless and a waste of time.

>>222784956
see >>222784612
or even >>222781491
Negging works if you're not a pussy, but Bear was and that's his fault alone. You don't blame Bear for fucking up because you see too much of yourself in him, sadly.

>>222784987
this movie is redpilled as fuck it's unreal

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>>222775875
You're telling me if the town bicycle wants to suck your dick from time to time, but doesn't want you to spend money on her or date her, just pure sex of her emptying your balls from time to time, are you going to say no to that because your pathetic friend has developed one-itis for her?

No. He did what the best of us would do, eat the free pizza and still try to hook your friend up with the town slut by explaining exactly what you need to do to fuck her. We should all have friends like Ian.

>>222784987
Yeah and he knew Bear was a pussy. Ian set up Bear to fail as much as he could because he didn't want to see Bear potentially get with her. If you watch in the montage, he's disgusted they're dating. Ian was not a good friend. If he had just told Bear, Bear would have moved on to Sara and been happy

>>222785120
This, the fact that they hate on Ian for this shows why they're incels. They don't get the game and never will.
>>222785187
They were disgusting as a couple in general and everyone around him saw it. It'd be one thing if he was making things up but it was the truth that the social circle was talking, we saw it at the party.
He also DID try to nudge Bear to Sarah. Bear had literally zero interest back until things started to go to shit with Nikki and he needed a shoulder cry on and a bitch to ride on.

>>222785442
Well yeah, he had zero interest because of oneitis. It's kind of funny when you think about it because he was far more comfortable talking to Sara and vibed better with her anyway (ie, he actually tells Sara about the dead cat but hesitates to tell Nikki. when they're talking, they seem to get along more naturally too)

>>222775823
Is this shit being astroturfed? There is way too much activity months later for a relentlessly mid movie.

>>222775823
Fuck the mods

>>222785120
This. People forget that Nikki was a well known whore. It’s why she hated her nickname and also why she was planning on skipping town

>>222786735
Nice fan-fiction

>Ian tells Bear he has nothing but time
>He probably knows Nikki has been thinking about leaving
kek, guy is a fucking scumbag through and through

>>222787230
Nice catch, anon.

>>222787230
>>222787293
And if he didn't know Nikki was leaving, is "don't rush the right time to ask" bad advice?