So what it worth it to completely destroy this version of the character after the first movie was so successful?
>SoHmmmmmmmmmm>what it worth it tHMMMMMMMMMMM
>>222807071> and now here comes: ASS POKER!!!
>>222807071Arthur was more likeable in the sequel showing self-awareness and regret for ruining his life. One dimensional chuds had a problem with this, but they have no zero idea the first movie was literally about a communist jew. Makes the whole reaction to the sequel even more bizarre. Truly we live in a society.
>>222807401If only Batman knew that a rape would destroy the joker completely... well, that and singing
>>222807071For the director? Yes. For the investors? No.
just don't watch the second one? i mean i haven't i keep forgetting it even exists desu
Yeah, it was a funny cinematic shitpost. Only retards that idolize fictional characters and capeshit took issue with this
>>222807071the first movie was accidentally about a person committing crimes and being rewarded for it. that's a nono in american media, thus they were forced to make a sequel to ensure this message didn't stand. same reason better call saul exists.
>>222807401very hook nosed post. you wouldnt happen to live in Lakewood,NJ
>clown gets buckbroken>identitylet community gets buckbroken by proxypottery
>>222807071to own the chuds?yes
>>222807428
It's so fucking bizarre because it really is just:>Director/Studio: *makes movie*>Audience/Fans: Huh. Good movie.>Director/Studio: OH NO>Audience/Fans: ???
>>222808545What reward does he receive in the first movie exactly?
>>222809001He's happy and famous.
>>222809001People suddenly give a fuck that he exists
>>222807071>Theme of Joker 2 is that no one cares about Arthur, even hos fans, they just want to project their own degenerate antisocial politics onto him>This enrages the zoomer, who hates Joker 2 for being about Arthur Fleck instead of the Joker doing antisocial things Joker 2 retroactively made Joker 1 a good film.
>>222809043The moment he a showed a bit of his old self by having empathy for other people everyone got tired of him. People wanted a power fantasy, no one gives a shit about social issues but they hide behind it as a good reason for violence.
>>222809175>second movie exists only to neutralize the messaging of the first>cite shit in second movie to undermine messaging of the first moviebut you did have breakfast
>>222807071Rich fags and execs shit their pants at the idea that the "lessers" would think it's not only perfectly okay to merk them but heroic. Odd considering all of the "kill the unimportant nobodies but leave the leader of them alive to prove how good you are" bullshit there is out there.
>>222809710While this was probably what happened, if they were so worried about this message being put out to the public, how were they stupid enough to let the first movie even come out without massive rewrites?
>>222807071They didn't. In the first move he loses it and goes nuts. In the second he has to face the consequences because in this world there is no joker or superheros or villains. He is and always was, just some crazy guy.
>>222807401>anon relates to someone getting their ass fucked inside out>thinks this is an own to chuds
>>222809043They didn't. The liked the statement they thought he was making. They dont give a fuck about him. The movies are about a deluded lunatic. Not some intelligent villan.
>>222809140oh sorry I guess I didn’t expect THE JOKER to turn over a new leaf (and be raped to death afterwards)you fucking retard
>>222807071he was already a sexual abuse victim in the first movie
>>222807071I would direct your attention to the many accessible interviews Todd Phillips did during the press tour for Joker (2019) The take away is that to him, this was a film about empathy and how the power of kindness can help elevate the dishevelled and down and out people of society. Arthur was a case study about what happens to people in our society when everyone dog piles on them. You were supposed to feel sorry for him but at the same time be appalled by what he was doing. However as whats been said a million times, people interrupted him as an anti-hero. Go read the comments on youtube videos. People were celebrating him brutally murdering Randall and Murray, two guys whose biggest crimes were being jerks. It’s obvious Joker 2 was the middle finger to those people.
>>222807071Are Godfather 1 and 2 bad because 3 sucked?
>>222810326We don't even know if he had fans, he's off his meds the back 4/5 of the movie, he could've been hallucinating all that
>>222807071>Joker huh? Well I got a joke for ya
>>222807071>the first movie was so successful?It wasn't. Nobody watched that trash. And the sequel is exactly the same as it
>>222810285>in this world there is no joker or superheros or villains.People say this all the time as a reason as to why Joker couldn't get more "Joker-y" in these movies, but it's such a bullshit reason that requires turning a blind eye to literal history, because it suggests that notable/famous criminals don't actually exist and never have, as if people like Al Capone, Charles Manson, Jack the Ripper, the Zodiac Killer, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Pablo Escobar, and Bonnie & Clyde were apparently not a thing, not to mention even bigger 'villains' like Adolf Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein. Joker 2 very much could have had Arthur becoming more and more of a notable criminal within Gotham (Is he a strategic criminal mastermind? No, but it could have been amusing to watch him continuously fail upwards) and it still would've been fully realistic.
>>222808903The ((director)) got punished by ((them)) the movie was way too positive for the chuds and it was way too evocative of certain unsavory sentiments that ((they)) would rather not feed. So they made him destroy the character and undo it all.
>>222807071It was. All the cringe chuds larping as the Joker needed to be put down. They're all fat impotent cattle that will suck dick and eat shit rather than stand up to their oppressors. Look at all the real life people actually taking action, taking arms and doing what the faggot larpers claim they'll do one day, they're nothing like the losers that idolize the Joker are like.
>>222811068>it could have been amusing to watch him continuously fail upwardsIronically, he had potential for a Sid the Squid style character arc.
>And then you get FUCKED right in your ASSHOLE
>>222811960>Sid the Squid?
>>222810533>It’s obvious Joker 2 was the middle finger to those people.But what about the people who understood how the movie was 'meant' to be interpreted? Or the people who just went to see it because it was DC/Joker/Batman-related? Why give them the middle finger for no reason? They may not have interpreted him as an anti-hero, but I'm sure they didn't want to see Joker prison raped, betrayed by Harley, and killed in jail without accomplishing anything, either. Hell, I wouldn't wish that on Jared Leto's Joker.
>>222810533>It’s obvious Joker 2 was the middle finger to those peopleBy being the exact same movie?
>>222808903
That movie series was never gonna end satisfyingly. Everyone was jerking off to the first movie, but by the end, I still thought "Okay, that's nice, but I still don't see how this autistic fuck is supposed to become a genius master criminal eventually."The second movie just going "He doesn't, lol." was obviously anticlimactic, and probably worse than just leaving ot up to the imagination, but there's no way they ever could have done it believably. Those movies just didn't want to acknowledge they're set in a comic book world, even less so than Nolan's, somehow. It's incredibly difficult to imagine an actual super criminal existing in it.If I want to see the origin stories of Batman villains, I'll just watch Gotham again. Which was stupid, yes, but it established a setting where that kind of stupidity is plausible. The Joker movies felt actively disinterested in engaging with the actual source material. Which is why I maintain that, if they had been stand-alone character studies about a schizophrenic who becomes a serial killer, gets arrested, gains a cult of personality and gets killed in prison, the second movie would have been much more warmly received.
>>222815282>That movie series was never gonna end satisfyingly.It could've. Or at least more so than it did.>I still thought "Okay, that's nice, but I still don't see how this autistic fuck is supposed to become a genius master criminal eventually."He already had followers. Introduce Harley as the most devout of them. You could make it so they do most of the work in Joker's name. It could be like a serious version of the joke in Monty Python's Life of Brian; Joker's followers interpreting (or misinterpreting) and assuming what he means by what he says, and shit just sort of accidentally falls into place for him.>Those movies just didn't want to acknowledge they're set in a comic book world, even less so than Nolan's, somehow.But they're not. The first Joker movie was not "Here is the origin of the DC Comics supervillain and enemy of Batman, The Joker," it was an AU 'what if' 'this is kind of the Joker in real life' story, about a guy who goes through "one bad day." And I'm pretty sure everyone knew that going in, or at least they should have. Anyone with half a brain was not expecting Arthur Fleck to fight Batman. We were just expecting his story to go SOMEWHERE. That his misfortune would continue, but in a way that would spark and really get his life of crime going. If he had just made some actual headway into being a notorious criminal, I think most people would've been fine with Joker 2, even if it ended with the cops gunning Arthur and Harley down or something like that.>It's incredibly difficult to imagine an actual super criminal existing in it.Again, not really, as was pointed out here: >>222811068>If I want to see the origin stories of Batman villains, I'll just watch Gotham again.Again, it wasn't meant to be the origin of a Batman villain. It was meant to be the story of some unfortunate fuck who snapped and accidentallied his way into a life of crime in a shitty city that didn't give a shit.
The point of movies is not to make money, the FED can print money at will. The point of movies is to own the goychuds.
Bump
>>222807071do you think millions of dollars is important to people that that make millions in a month? they couldnt care less if they lost money. its about sending message.
>>222810285The first movie was about someone vulnerable slipping through the cracks of society and how that can snowball into tragedy.The second movie is about how any societal deviants should be raped into compliance and then murdered for good measure.
>>222810368how?
remember how they kept saying incels were gonna shoot up joker showings at theaters and nothing happened
>>222809001Catharsis you wouldnt get it because youre a permanent slave to zog
>>222816613>joker gets out on a technicality >cult grows around his infamy and members treat him as their new messiah, while opportunistic criminals just use him as an excuse >Arthur has absolutely no idea what he’s doing and can only make vague statements while uncontrollably laughing, but the cult always finds a way to interpret it in the worst possible way>they start committing crimes in his name>meanwhile the police, embarrassed by their procedural fuck up letting him out, invent a story of him being a genius criminal who gamed the system to be let out>this backfires when they try to bring him in after the crime spree, but realise they don’t have any evidence of his supposed wrongdoing, and because of their cover up the public assumes it’s because he’s a mastermind that’s always one step ahead of the police>the public gets whipped into mass hysteria over this unstoppable super villain, causing vigilantes to crop up everywhere and make everything worse>ultimately he gets caught up in a march, but shot by a vigilante >this sparks a riot goes completely out of control, and as everything burns he laughs at the sheer absurdity of it all
>>222807071Arthur fleck? I thought he was raped lol
>>222818676Maybe too similar to Fight Club
>>222819573the first one is already a pastiche of scorsese movies so whatever
>>222807401You did not watch it. Nobody did.
>>222807071yes, BTFO both redditors and chuds was very basedrare Hollywood win
>You tell jokes for your entire life but nobody calls you the Joker, but you get raped ONE TIME ...
>>222818676>Gotham PD accidentally makes Joker/Arthur a supervillain in order to cover up their own competenceNow, this sounds like an interesting story that I'd love to watch on the big screen, but I don't quite understand - At what point in the movie does Arthur get raped? I was under the impression that that was an integral part of the Joker's character.
>>222807071Joker was a terrible movie
>>222808545Wrong. It happens all the time in american media.The problem was it gave white people a vigilante character to idolize and that’s not gonna be tolerated because we’re supposed to cuck to mass immigration
>>222808903I partly understand "I hate my audience" schtick but one aspect of the sequel I don't fucking get is where the hell did the idea for a musical come from?
>>222819891>where the hell did the idea for a musical come from?to alienate the heterosexual audience members even further
