This guy was a shit mob boss
>>222820057I still haven't seen an episode beyond the first season. Should watch the whole thing?
>>222820083Yes
>>222820057He was a pretty decent one in the 1st season at least, but they kept dumbing him down. s6 Tony would never let Junior be the boss on paper to keep the peace and attention away from himself.
>>222820120Ok
>>222820057that's the whole point of the series
Someone tell me what she meant by this right now or I'm flipping to the feds.
>>222820057He never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
>>222820750Yeah but it was also the very idea of the old style mob being outdated
>>222820057He became shit when he has the downfall with Junior, who was a father to him and a mentor. After that he begins to make more decisions by ego.>>222820750If you can't handle actual depth then yes.
The family was doomed even if they had a good boss
They were raking in money, the fuck you talking about?
>>222821183Most in his crew were barely basically scraping by and the only reason Tony was comparatively rich was because he was at the top of the ponzi scheme (which he undermined at every opportunity through ego and poor management skills)
>>222820769Did you watch Cartoon Network as a boy? I feel like most of what I know from pre-1950 pop culture comes from Looney Toons
Christopher Moltisanti reacting to the word "femboys" is now a piece of Soprano lore you are aware of.https://youtu.be/8uxYSkAtpDI?t=143
>>222821377Sure but doesn't it imply she's calling for police backup?
>>222820057Pretty much all the mobsters in the show were incompetent, not just Jersey but the NY family too. Just a bunch pissy narcissists constantly fucking each other over because of their ego and larping like they're old-school Italian-American mafiosi. Furio was the only "professional" among them because the Italian branch were still the real deal.
>>222821510Carmine Sr and Jackie Sr were both alright mobsters.
>>222820057Was it written this way on purpose? If they showed him doing best practice that might 'glorify' the mob. I think it would have made the point much better, that even the best mob boss is still living a bipolar/borderline lifestyle and ending up 'believin'
>>222821517Debatable. I mean, arguably everything that went wrong with the DeMeo and Lupertazzi families was partly their fault for failing to keep their houses in order before they died.
>>222820697junior by that point was a full on vegetable plus he shot him he had no choice but to step up as boss for real this time
>>222821183>raking in moneythat they had to immediately spend on expensive dinners and prostitutes so they didn't have it lying around if cops showed up or the IRS audited them. Paulie was one of the top guys in Tony's crew and he lived in a condo
>>222820057He was a shit person and as the seasons went on a self-destructive leader, but if he was a shit boss he wouldn’t have lasted as long as he did. He inherited a dysfunctional crew surrounded by much stronger families, survived coups, the FBI, a bunch of old psychos getting out of prison and causing problems, and eventually a war with New York, all while still making money.His problem wasn’t that he was incompetent, it was that he couldn’t control himself. By the end his ego, grudges and impulses had hollowed out his own organization to the point that New York basically just kicked it over.That’s kind of the whole tragedy of the show. He starts out as a pretty good boss and slowly becomes the biggest problem in his own family.
>>222820057The Esplanade wouldn't have happened without him.
>>222823950Everyone around him was an incompetent buffoon. Yea Tony let his personal failings show from time to time, but a lot of the show is some retard pushing him further and further into being more strict.
>>222820057It didn't matter. No boss in the Italian-American mafia in the 90s/2000s could do anything other than manage its decline.
He killed one of his capoes for a fucking horse (and a ho')
>>222824030Silvio was an incompetent buffoon?
>>222820057doing my first watch of the series right now, just finished season 4 episode 10, not gonna stay in this thread due to spoilers but goddamn do i hope nothing happens to my boy paulie
>>222824126the cat gets Paulie
>>222824173How much more betrayal can he take?
>>222824126Paulie ends being a fuckin finook.
>>222824126think fast!
>>222820057And yet he lasts in the job longer than Johnny Sac and Phil combined.
>>222824212Pitching or catching?
>>222824126He gets raped by a pack of FUCKING QUEERS
>>222821127>If you can't handle actual depth then yes.Not who you were responding to but Tony's shortcomings as a father, man, and mob boss are very literally the point of the show.
>>222824123Silvio was probably the most competent member of Tony's crew but even he got in over his head by season 6.
>>222820057Its a complex show. He’s a good boss, but>he’s a bad person and eventually lets it be his undoing>everyone around him is dumb, unreliable, compromised or out for themselves>the old guard that knew how the mob worked is in jail, dead or dying. Or maybe it never worked?>the next generation is even worse and can’t replace them>the mob can’t adapt to a changing America, like trying to shake down a Starbucks for protection money>traditional rackets are disappearing or getting harder to run>the FBI is closing in and constantly flipping people. RICO means one rat can threaten the entire organization>the “old code” barely exists anymore and even the guys preaching it break it whenever convenient>New York is vastly more powerful and Jersey survives partly because it’s useful to them>Tony’s ego, appetites, grudges and paranoia gradually override his ability as a bossby the end Tony has killed, lost or alienated many of his most valuable people>New York doesn’t create Jersey’s weakness, it just finally takes advantage of it
>>222820057What's the measuring stick for a "good" mob boss?
>>222824261Both. Real creep.
>>222824348Wise guy, good fella
>>222820057Part of the show is the rose-tinted glasses they have for the past. Tony is right that the mob is dying, but the honorable, competent golden age they romanticize never really existed. The old guys were just as petty, violent, greedy and hypocritical, and the “code” was always broken when convenient.
>>222824348Longevity, financial success, staying out of prison.
>>222824306>trying to shake down a Starbucks for protection moneypretty funny scene and even the black wagie guy is like "man even if a single coffee bean is missing, they'll just fire me and someone else will be here"
>>222824426Well, we never saw Tony die or get indicted :>
>>222824446He dies and he's on the precipice of indictment but he made it a long time in the big seat before that. He's a decent boss, he's just a horrible person. Even when he makes mistakes he's generally conscious of them and to some degree why.
>>222824306>he’s a bad person How could he turn out any other way? Fucked up parents, fucked up extended family/friends.
>>222820057the show isn't about crime, it's about tony's personal relationships, which he's also shit at managing
>>222820057How good is The Wire compared to Sopranos?
>>222824306>the old guard that knew how the mob worked is in jail, dead or dying. Or maybe it never worked?The way Carmine Sr. talked about them, the DiMeo family were always dysfunctional as an organized crime family, a bunch of pretentious thugs that just happened to fill in the power vacuum in Jersey during the golden years of the Mafia and were only tolerated by New York as a glorified crew.The old guard like Paulie and Junior barely understood or respected their own code of honor and were hardly capable of leading the family into the new millennium even if they still had their mental faculties. And the younger generation only inherited their worst qualities.Tony's whole ordeal besides personal relationships is that he's boss like he always wanted but of a crumbling organization, all while lamenting that his predecessors lived the good life unopposed leaving him with the fallout.
>>222825070I think that’s part of the point. Tony is right that he came in at the end, but wrong about what came before him. He imagines the old guys had this golden age where everyone followed the rules and the mob ran like a machine, but every time the show actually gives us one of those old school guys they’re petty, hypocritical, violent fuckups too. The decline is real, the golden age probably wasn’t.
>>222820083Every season gets progressively better.
>>222824813Not as good, but still special for coming close
>>222823742I think that anon was saying s6 tony in s1 wouldn't have let s1 junior take lead, obviously not s6 junior
>>222824813Used to think it's good but overtime I began to dislike McNulty, Stringer and Avon should have had whole 5 seasons to them, instead the show peaked in season 3 and there's no way I'm gonna watch a whole seasons about niglets trying to make me feel bad for them
They're so sloppy throughout the whole show that I'm surprised they didn't have that much trouble with the feds
>>222824210Underrated.
>>222824114SHE WAS A BEAUTIFUL INNOCENT CREATURE
>>222824813Better nudity.
>>222827320no adriana playing tennis though
Who was in the wrong here?
>>222827891What was it barking?
It's better to be lucky than good though. He should have been killed 10 times before the finale.
>>222820057Most mob bosses survive through bribery, intimidation, blackmail, connections and most importantly dumb luck.
>>222827295Feds are just as incompetent as criminals.
>>222827320such great tits.Ralph was Tony's downfall
