Literally.>Lied to about the choice he was given with Morpheus not giving a true picture>Now unable to go back to his life.>Forced to live in a shitty world with shitty food where 'freedom' means either being in the military eating slop or working in a cave with no sun where everything sucks.He was a captive, and was given 1 way to return, which involved throwing off the yoke of his oppressors who are part of the military who enforce this system. Cypher is morally justified for his actions in a real way. Even if the movie frames it otherwise.
>>222825206He is. Even the humans "win" in the third movie it's just a truce with the machines that still sees them living in a shitty destroyed world with no sun and no infrastructure.
>>222825226>No infrastructure Zion exists.>No sunOk and?
>>222825206He traded material reality for a dream. He would’ve also experienced mortality in the realm of the machine world, which I think canonically is just them draining your goo vat, cutting off your life support and turning you into biofuel for the next crop of humans. It’s a raw deal and people shouldn’t empathize with his betrayal.
>>222825206He betrayed his comrades and actually believed the machines would just put him back in instead of killing him. He's a moron and this bait is old as hell
>>222825206>Cypher is morally justified for his actions in a real way.This is like shooting up a Walmart because you're upset at your car getting impounded.His actions harmed dozens of people who had nothing to do with his problems.Just because you have a legitimate grievance doesn't mean anything and everything is justified in trying to obtain redress.
>>222825310Why would they kill him
>>222825415Is it confirmed they could do something like make him a movie star? Saw the first movie once a long ass time ago. Theyd likely kill him since theyre the bad guys
>>222825542No they arent
>>222825415He betrayed his peers, which makes him an unreliable tool and a weak human being.
>>222825581And whys that
>>222825206He betrayed his friends for comfort. He is scum.
>>222825415red pills inherently reject the matrix, even if they could memory wipe him (which would also be personality death/effectively suicide from cyphers current perspective) he would just go rogue again and cause problems.
>>222825206>all i can promise you is the truth.>dude wtf you lied to me this sucks!!!!!111>trinity wont even pull on my penis, white women fuck dogs 4inches is average right etc etc
>>222825206>being bluepilled is ok
>>222825206How was he lied to?
>>222825874Why some people reject the matrix are others not?, is that explained?, maybe something genetic or something that happens in some brains that even the machines can't explain?
>>222825226>no sunOk then what was illuminating the clouds when Neo and Trinity flew up there?
>>222825542Everything the machines did were reactive for survivalThe cruelest thing they did was not wipe out humanity entirely and set up a big convoluted system that let them coninue humanity's existence insteadThe machines are not villains
>>222825279Mortality wasn't the problem. You face that in both situations.Hell you'd probably have a longer lifespan in the matrix.
betraying and murdering people who trust you is wrong no matter why you do it.
>>222825874He wasn't a "red pill." That's why he wants back in.
>>222825206Taking your argument as right, the only one that lied to him was Morpheus so if he wanted to get revenge then he was only justified to kill him not the rest of the crew.
>>222825978psychics and hylics anon.
>>222825978its not explained, some % just dont
>>222826167they only unplug ppl who meet their standards ie questioning the matrix and of a certain age range
