>>222919428
>S31 Vindicated
APOLOGIZE

>>222919428
This is what happens when FASCISM overtakes the culture! Its not that our stuff sucks, it's that you are evil.

>>222919428
>more people watched season one of STD than the two best seasons of ENT
Grim

>estimated

>>222919428
How did TNG go UP after the first seasons while every show goes down?

>>222919625
Word of mouth. People tell their friends if a show sucks or not
>inb4 implying friends

>>222919625
In those days multiple channel services, cable in america but is known by many names in different countries, because mainstream. STtNG was on at prime time slots on the bug channels.
iirc for me we would watch it and wait for the simpsons.

>>222919428
Source?

>>222919428
>ds9 goes down
wut

>>222919625
It was actually good

>>222919889
ds9 wasn't actually that good after the first season. It was more of a meme

>>222919889
The pilot movie was much better than the rest of the show

>>222919658
To be fair, everyone thought it was for the most subhuman kind of nerd back when it originally aired, so it's weird seeing those numbers. It's also weird how the discourse has changed, and people pretending that hamfisted, trashy show is somehow good.

>>222919586
>Season 1
that's predictable because it's a new show so many people are willing to give it a shot. The drop-off after S1 is very telling though.

>>222919586
Jason Isaacs carried that season on his back and it was better than the first two seasons of ENT. After that it was garbage.

>>222919889
DS9 is only worth it if you watch every single episode, and the amount of people that'll apply to is always going to decrease every season.

>>222920242
It's kind of retarded to directly compare "ratings" when half these shows are behind a paywall on a different platform.

>>222919428
Ratings are entirely made up

What do they realistically have to do to get people to watch Star Trek again?

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>>222920392
You can't. It's never going to be like it was. Trek was a niche franchise compared to the real heavy hitters even in its prime, and it's been so long without anything good that half of the fanbase has been dead for 10 years and no new fans were created to replace them. They're not suddenly just going to make a new show that's just like 90s Trek to appeal to an ever-shrinking pool of 40+ geezers with heart conditions, and the push to make it appealling to the zoomer audience has failed miserably.

Just let it die. There doesn't need to be any more Star Trek. It had its time and no longer fits in the modern would of "prestige" TV where you get 10 episodes with grossly inflated budgets to put as many explosions on-screen as possible. The movies are also dead and that's fine.

>>222920594
>Our Age of Bronze is ending

>>222920392
turn back time. the demographics that used to watch this stuff no longer exist. the type of guy that would have ended up a trek fan if he grew up in the 90s now gets sucked into the troon pipeline. his name is lilith and he likes indie games about evil capitalism.

>>222919428
I’m surprised the peak was between seasons 4 and 5 and not 3 and 4. But redemption is a kino 2 parter

>>222919625
DS9 was on syndication and as a show with a massive plot line through out the show it was hard to keep up because it was up to the local stations to air it and they may not have been able to air it in the proper order. VOY was on UPN which was always a struggling network that never ended up in every state. ENT just got off to a bad start and by the time that it got its feet under it the CW was done with being a Star Trek network

>>222919428
I was just having an argument about this. I don't care enough to post this but the dude was claiming that Star Trek was successful after rebooting. I feel like I'm in bizarro world whenever I argue online because either they have to be bots or simply complete blithering retards

>>222919428
I liked the original star trek, enjoyed TNG (but hated the muh racism and other bullshit that inherently comes with newer tv shows).
Also liked the original star trek movies, TNG movies sucked immensely.
Should I try DS9 or voyager?

>>222919428
imagine S31 being your first exposure to Star Trek

>>222921294
>Should I try DS9 or voyager?
They are ok. Good, but many ups and downs

>>222920594
It was funny seeing the NuTrek loyalists react to the last round of cancellations with, "Are you chuds happy? Now there's no new Star Trek at all!" To which the sensible answer would be an unironic yes. They're like somebody who refuses to take a braindead family member off life support.

>>222921294
you'd like DS9 but it and Voyager are the last Trek shows that are still standard definition
it's incredibly distracting on DS9 as it's a very shadow-heavy show and the transfer they did from the master tape when they brought it to DVD and streaming is smeary as shit in the shadows and blacks with all kinds of phantom artifacts
the laserdisc release was only one generation removed from the master tape and carries none of those artifacts, some fans were doing an upscale of it that looked shockingly good but updates are getting sparser and sparser so I consider that project dead unfortunately
https://vimeo.com/1123601150?fl=pl&fe=vl

>>222921294
>>222921422
>Deep Space Nine master tapes are a composite-video format D-2
>DVD transfers were done direct without converting to analog, adding a comb filter and resulting in the shit quality
>DVD transfers are what's on streaming
>30+ year old LaserDisc transfers are 1:1 with the master tapes as there was no component conversion
why the fuck doesn't Paramount just rescan the master tapes they possess and upscale those themselves? it would be a huge upgrade and wouldn't even cost them that much. Paramount and Warner have been remastering other shows like the 80s Shogun and Dallas up to HD from the film negative and this would cost like 1/100th of that

>>222919428
No chance that anyone watched Section 31. However they're calculating the streaming data is fucked.

>>222920594
Five tv series and ten films of classic Star Trek was already more than enough for anyone interested in the property without even including any of this new era stuff. Star Trek already has more available content than basically any other series n existence and doesn't really need anything else

>>222921294
You'd honestly probably like Enterprise better than either of those. Give it a chance it's a good show

>>222920594
But they told me that the cartoon that looks like Rick and Morty (and just as obnoxious) was a love letter to 90s Trek!

>>222920392
That depends on who and what you mean by "people" and "Star Trek"

>>222919625
It was good and also it wasn't going up against much. Once you get to ENT, it's competing against other prime time shows in what was even at the time considered a golden age of television.

>>222921287
>Star Trek was successful after rebooting
Mostly true. Those JJ movies were quite popular with normie guys. That's just a fact. The thing is you had the external factor of progressive social media culture war blowing up at the time. It had an enormous impact on the creative direction of Trek tv under Kurtzman. And so the opportunity to carry over that success to streaming was wasted.

>>222923350
The JewKike Abrahams movies were an abomination; Kirk being a retarded fratboy and Uhura being a girlboss among the sins they committed. Frankly, I'm glad they faded into obscurity.

>>222923350
>>222923579
Also JewJew got way too greedy - they wanted to have more material set in the reboot universe, like a TV show (which would've aired on actual TV since this was before streaming really took off), but on the condition that everything that marketed Classic Star Trek 1966-2005 would have to cease, which was never going to happen. So he got mad and left for Star Wars.

>>222919428
i cant say im that much of a trekkie
i watched up to ENT and stopped

can anyone tell me what DIS PIC PRO S31 are?
i know SNW is strange new worlds but thats about it

LDS might be lower decks

>>222920104
Not exactly, and only someone who didn't live through the TNG craze could say that. TNG was mainstream. There were even Christmas ornaments of the ship that were selling out because normalfaggots were buying them. My aunt got us one for Christmas and she was anything but a nerd. There were trading cards, tons of collectables in general really. Hard to explain if you weren't there.

>>222920104
Subhuman basement dweller spotted
They always try to do history revisionism

>>222919625
Had the strongest foundation and a cast and crew that kept getting stronger as it went. The rest were “okay let’s do TNG but…” I rewatched ds9 and voyager for the first time since they were airing and I realized the only reason I could tolerate either was due to them airing in the same timeslot on different channels and flipping between them. To voyager whenever ds9 was doing its b-plot, back to ds9 whenever anyone other than torres or the doctor was speaking.

>>222923608
>but on the condition that everything that marketed Classic Star Trek 1966-2005 would have to cease, which was never going to happen.

This would've been fucking insane to do especially since the interest in JJ Trek died after the second movie was out

>>222919428
wouldn't most tv shows have lower viewership nowadays due to streaming?

>>222923879
Anon, are you White?

>>222919889
Only season 7 is a bit worse than season 6

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>>222920242
>Jason Isaacs carried that season on his back
fuck yeah that was awesome
this evil universe bullshit was painful to watch though

>>222923879
Retard, most of the shows on the right half of that chart have literally never aired on television, for a single minute

Discovery briefly did and it was disastrous

>>222920594
Or... you know, hear me out here because this is gonna sound crazy, but what if... they just made a good show for ONCE. yeah, a bit loony, but it might just work.

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>>222920392
more jason isaacs as the evil captain fighting for the greater good
more special circumstances shenanigans
star trek was surprisingly good when it went darker and edgier behind the scenes

>>222921294
>>222921626
this
>>222921691
best star trek boobs desu

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So, everybody who said otherwise really was a shill or a retard

Paramount really did spend ten years and over two billion dollars to make over 300 episodes across six different series
And are finally admitting that nobody fucking watched any of them, at all

Tens of millions of shitflinging insults and copes actually do have a single, correct answer

What now?

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>>222923706
>DIS
discovery pretty cool first season
>PIC
picard in his vineyard or something
>PRO
no idea either

>>222924216
Cringe

>>222920242
>Jason Isaacs carried that season on his back
>nooo he's space mengele he's space himmler hes eeeevul nooo we disintegrated him fuck you

>>222919889
DS9 greatest strength was also it's biggest weakness. If you didn't follow every episode you might easily miss a crucial one that develops one of the main plot lines.

>>222924272
ds9's biggest weakness was two plots per episode and at least one would ALWAYS be absolute fucking dogshit.

>>222924260
bring him back as a clone I don't give a shit

>>222924154
What now? They're gonna pretend they never said anything and hope that you don't notice, which means you'd better keep the receipts before they start deleting tweets and shit defending Kurtzman Trek

>>222923706
>>222924236
STDiscovery S1 invalidates VOY and iirc gets even retconned to be some parallel universe in the cartoon show only remember seeing threads about that part.

PICard only S3 is good, S1 is a geriatric old man pretending to be 20, S2 is just a fuck you to TNG.

PROdigy S1 is a kids show, S2 can be seen as VOY S8.

>>222924355
just musing about how when they accidentally did something good in STD, they shrieked and destroyed it.

Post the WEBM. You know which one.

>>222923579
That's another discussion entirely or a different interpretation of success

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>>222923706
>PRO
Maybe this pic will help. Do you need to know anything else after seeing that?

>>222920392
>cut the budget 70 percent
>raise the episode count to 26 episodes every year
replace the current writers room with people who have actually lived interesting lives:
>a grizzled merchant marine
>that pilot who got shot down twice recently
>a Las Vegas hotel concierge
>an Everglades python hunter
>a Boeing engineer whistleblower

>>222924524
>STDiscovery S1 invalidates VOY and iirc gets even retconned to be some parallel universe in the cartoon show

It's because STD had a different design for the Klingons

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Why were the TrekBBS boomers in love with STD? The average age there is 60.

>>222920392
If the new Star Treks were let's say an anomaly, it would be possible. But they're just one more of many IPs in the same situation. The people in charge hate the franchise itself, hate the fans, and make sure to hire people who either feel the same way or people who don't care about the franchise (but who write as if they hate it).

>>222924683
The death of pop culture really needs to be studied
After a century of constant movement and trends, abruptly nothing is created anymore, nothing is continued successfully anymore, and it doesn't feel organic
It certainly invalidates a lot of capitalist arguments - surely SOMEONE would have changed course by now if they were in pursuit of vulgar dollars

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who is the hottest klingon?

>>222924667
every star trek forum got taken over by shills during jjtrek

>>222924737
the one that raped Neelix and then he crawled to sickbay for treatment for his numerous injuries and then he crawled back to her room

>>222924732
most entertainment conglomerates are glorified money management firms that occasionally shit out media to evade taxation. happens to every company once it hits a certain size.

>>222919889
Bus stations at the end of the universe are lucky to get any viewers at all

>>222920392
Let's be honest
1.They kind of betrayed the OG audience and shit out mediocrity for YEARS
2.The product was kind of shit
3.There is no organic space for star trek fans to BE star trek fans. There's the obvious inorganic shills then there are the grifters who...well you know the old saying "don't ask a man something that goes against how he makes his money". They get paid for shitting on star trek. And that acts as something to bind the ST fans.

And the last tiny fucking shred of hope the entire thing had was with Picard....look patrick stewart is a cunt. He has no goddamned business EVER being in charge of anything. You trot him out to act and chew scenery NEVER let him have a say so in how an overall story goes. Or the mystique will be stripped away. Picard and his responses to certain subjects online has ruined all of that.
The entire fucking squad had to be brought back to tard wrangle kurtzman and this dumbass and save the entire fucking star trek IP form being ruined.
Worse the current political climate is antiethical to the very idea of what StarTrek is all about. We have people who are unironically against a post scarcity future because "not being a field slave for a sociopathic inbred group of multinational trillionaires is a sin becauce capitalism".
Seriously.
I don't understand 99% of the shit that went into the new star wars. Some of it was decent enough, I liked the moments of disclosure(iykyk) but overall they tried too hard and didn't understand why certain things worked.
And low talent broke grifters are getting WAY too much internet clout to shit on it while said work isn't actually building a fanbase.

Right now they have to rebuild the image of Star Trek from ground zero.
Burn all of JJtrek
Make a new relatively low budget series on free to air television yes they can use new hollywood tricks but it has to be subtle and important.
It's a high concept sci-fantasy drama not a porny action show.

>>222919428
Reminder this is all Red Letter Media’s fault.

Mike Stoklasa unironically shilled JJ Abrams and his shit Star Trek movie, causing Hollywood to hand the keys to Star Trek to Abrams’s cronies.

RLM told me to like Picard Season 3 too so I did.

>>222924648
Prodigy was very good. Tired of people claiming otherwise

>>222924991
You are part of the reason why Star Trek is awful. You listened to the Anti-Christ of entertainment that is Mike Stoklasa because you can’t think for yourself.

Picard would be disappointed in you.

>>222925036
He also told me to like Lower Decks because he had this best friend Jack Quaid on as a guest. He is so quirky, cool and fun.

>>222924653
>replace the current writers room with people who have actually lived interesting lives:
This dude out here advocating for diversity instead of
>white guy from california
>black guy from california
>woman from california
>latino from california
>asian from california

>>222920392
Complete reimagining down to the political aspects (you can't sell that shit to 18-35 males today, it's just not where they are). No more going out of the way to accommodate women and lgbt creatively (doesn't mean they're not welcome to watch, important distinction). The overly goofy, quippy, found family shit has run its course. Find a Taylor Sheridan of scifi to run it all (good luck)

>>222919457
>>S31 Vindicated
literally fucking nobody watched it nor remembers

>>222924732
With 24/7 internet and news access trends go as fast as they come. Something as big as Pokémon or MJ just won't happen since it'll be replaced by something new before managing to get a hold on culture.

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>>222919464
oy vey

>>222919889
such is the case for linear narratives

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>>222920392
hot vulcan chicks

The only way to bring Trek back is to remove anyone who would stand in the way of having a genuine discussion about ethics without forcing a heavy-handed conclusion. That means removing not only those who pose a moral or ideological hazard, but also anyone who simply lacks the ability to do the job well.
This unfortunately would be the entire staff, but you can hire a new staff. They have done it before.

>>222924355
Isaacs dies at the end of S1 falling into the fungus dimension. In S2 the ship gets half-stuck there, and there's a mysterious "monster" who's intruded there. It seemed so clear this was a way to bring Isaacs back, so the disappointment was unreal when it turned out they were actually bringing back the bland gay Blatino doctor somehow because his fungus expert husband had held his fresh corpse. The whole season seemed to be learning the mistakes from S1 only to go sike and be even worse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYZ4IoyztIw

It still gives me chills. It's like all you can say at the end is "fuck white males".

Star Trek needs to be ran by someone who is passingly familiar with TOS and TNG but not with anything else
like me
I'd run the shit out of Star Trek, put me in coach. I'm going to put black chicks back in short skirts and have moral dilemmas with space vampires

>>222924355
>>222926141 (me)
They wouldn't have even needed a convoluted way to bring him back. With the shitty retcon that he was actually the Mirror Universe counterpart, they could have just had the prime universe version manage to survive and return, and not be too different from his mirror self

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>>222926141
>falling into the fungus dimension
>into the fungus dimension
>the fungus dimension
>the fungus
>fungus

>TNG FOREVER THE GOAT

Just make it like TNG. Perfect balance of space drama/exploration/intrigue/diplomacy and conflict-ship battles. White male captain of course.

>>222920790
Anon the causal factor of transgenderism is autism. While autism is the core of Star Trek as a fandom, it was everything else about it that made it mainstream.

>>222924085
What does that have to do with anything?

>>222924988
Anon ecelebs chase trends, they don’t make them.

>>222919457
>S31
>for the streaming service Paramount+.
oh, that's why i've never heard of it

>>222924216
yo what in the fuck?

>>222919586
>the two best seasons of ENT
but it clearly had less viewers than the first two seasons of ENT

>>222920104
TOS and TNG were as mainstream as it gets. Liking Star Trek in the 80s and 90s wasn’t social suicide. That’s revisionist history by cartoons like Simpsons and Family Guy. Ironically, right now in the 2020s is liking Star Trek social suicide.

Garak and Bashir on Risa, double teaming all the girls, blowing backs out before breakfast. Peak era Trek.

>>222919625

It was actually really fortunate that TNG was not a broadcast network show since it would have been cancelled after two or three seasons like the original. But in a run on independent TV it did not need to get as high ratings as a network show and they gave it the time they needed to develop the show into the classic it became.

>>222929696
How exactly did this work? Is there an example of an actual tv channel it was shown on? I know in the 90s we had UPN but how did people watch in the 80s?

>>222929765

In the NYC area it was on WPIX channel 11 which was not one of the major networks CBS,NBC,ABC affiliates.

>>222929765
its called syndication. the studio produces the show and sells it to local broadcasters who pay for it by selling ads. current examples are live with kelly and mark, and the view.

>>222929765
one in the boston area was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WSBK-TV
they were just indy broadcast stations not affiliated with the big networks like ABC/CBS/NBC

>>222929866
That’s how we were able to get 26 episodes a year and not 10 whenever the streaming service feels like it.

>>222929235
TOS was pretty much a failure and really only lucille ball kept it on the air as long as it was. Then the cult following became a mainstream fandom overtime via reruns and vhs.

>>222924981
>Burn all of JJtrek

I think this is basically inevitable because there is a huge likelihood that if they used something from JJTrek, they'd have to pay JJ or whatever is left of Bad Robot.

>>222923872
>Had the strongest foundation and a cast and crew that kept getting stronger as it went.
This, minus Troi

>>222920392
There cannot be a single, not one, black person in the production/writing staff. No women either, and the selection process for the writing staff must filter out people who do not have investments in mainstream ETF’s.

Drug or alcohol addictions are acceptable.

That is a pre-requisite.

>>222919889
Unironically a massive filter for the casuals who don't want long-term storytelling.

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>>222919428
How was VOY S1 so high? UPN could barely come in half the places; TNG and DS9 were always syndicated on normal networks with broadcast coverage, but VOY was UPN exclusive but UPN was still trash and an underpowered UHF station in many markets.
>>222919586
To be fair I didn't even watch ENT when it aired because UPN was so shit. I didn't watch much of VOY either, but I felt bad about ENT because watching it on Netflix a few years after the fact it was an underrated show.

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>>222920242
>Jason Isaacs carried that season on his back and it was better than the first two seasons of ENT. After that it was garbage.
i dropped hard out of the show once he was a goner. i feel vindicated

>>222930557
It was star trek for a smaller market who didn';t have anything else to watch/sci-fi to watch and was a temu TNG...but with worse characters.

I'm telling you. The thing that makes ST work and build an audience is high volume of episodes on a budget on free to air TV.

>>222919428
this chart proves that trek isnt dead at all. Imagine season 1 of STD had been really good. a really good show could have had on average ENT S01 numbers or higher

>>222919428
>there’s still roughly 1 million slop eaters readily accessible at any time, no matter the quality
Grim. Have some self respect

>>222930368
One of the best episodes is troi doing the officers exam, howeveralthoughbeit

>>222930557
Both voyager and ds9 were riding high off of the peak of TNG, promising “TNG but…” then they failed to be good.

>>222930895
What kind of shitshow are they running at Starfleet, thinking a counselor is good enough to be a commander?

>>222930707
>>222930768
Star Trek’s greatest strength was its optimism and comfort factor. You watch it and forget your silly problems. NuTrek is hellbent on being ugly, noisy, and pessimistic, because that’s what the modern audience wants.

>>222930951
A good commander is a counselor who can handle sacrifice when necessary.

>>222930951
Starfleet is a meritocracy where anyone can take the exam if they have their captain’s permission. Though it’s a huge conflict of interest for the judge to be Troi’s boss and ex lover.

>>222930944
DS9 was great because it took the piss out of TNG's smug moralizing.

>>222930979
>because that’s what the modern audience wants.
if only “the modern audience” existed.

>>222930979
how can anyone be optimistic in the hellscape that is the modern west

Theres a reason its between 1 and 1.5 tfr everywhere

there's no way an average 1.11 million people watched each episode of starfleet academy. Does paramount plus even have 1.11 million subscribers?

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>>222919428
>all values are indices in Millions

>>222931464
1 million is nothing. they would get more views for their budget just paying people $5 to watch 15 minutes of ads.

>>222931464
the graph is scaled somehow to account for "potential reach". It's not a million real people, it's a million "scaled" people

>>222931102
It really didn’t. It just introduced an antagonist that was unreasonable for inane reasons.
>we’ll close the wormhole!
>no. You would be back in x00 years and that much more powerful and we, an isolationist static civilization won’t be able to push your shit in

>>222924988
I can confirm this. I am a very high level Jew and I get all of my ideas for how to run my company from fat men in Wisconson who dress like homeless men from Oregon.

>>222931354
because it has to get worse before it can get better

>>222931102
>TNG's smug moralizing.
why do you hate star trek anon

>>222924737
Hey that's that Vulcan with the Sex Eyes

>>222919428
>platform normalized
>estimated US active per-episode viewers, scaled
Sounds like a lot of guesswork.
>>222919952
>ds9 wasn't actually that good after the first season
Retard alert.

>>222931871
I love TOS because it's fun. TNG, on the other hand, buys into its own hype.

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>>222930944
TNG is overrated and criminally underused it's fantastic cast to be The Data Show feat. Picard for most of the run, sprinkled with leftist PSA preaching, with an occasional token Worf And The Quest For Honor and RIKER LEAN episode. The worldbuilding in TNG was atrocious for the most part with most of the alien civilizations being one-note wonders with blatant flaws to compare to the superiority of the enlightened and tolerant Federation.
>>222931102
DS9 did it's own preaching, but they did flesh out the universe much better than TNG did.
>>222930895
That was the B-plot to be fair, but yeah that one was a good arc. The writers of that show criminally underused Marina Sirtis.

>>222931464
the graph itself states that its compiling "view minutes" into actual viewership, in which its an admission that the "view minute" is not an actual viewer.

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>>222931901
I NEED to know what Vulcan pussy tastes like

>>222919428
Where's TOS?

>>222932939
TNG is exactly properly rated and you can’t revise history to claim otherwise.

>>222919625
pre-internet it could take years to find out a show was even on tv

>>222933037
chlorophyll. duh. green blood.

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>>222933221
Lot of simplistic projection there; typical of the cardboard cutout worldbuilding in TNG.
>>222933232
Are you fucking stupid or just incapable of reading text if it isn't on a screen?

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>>222933055
1960's data was calculated a bit different but I think I read it was something like 8 million viewers at least for S1. TOS did okay numbers but it wasn't a huge hit for the era

>>222933563
God, the 60s sucked

okay so the nutrek shills have shifted from claiming that nutrek is popular to claiming that tng wasn't popular. hope that answers >>222924154's question.

>>222933615
*shill
it was only ever just one guy.

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>>222919464
Yeah typical limp wristed wimp leftard lefty being wrong ... again

>>222924216
I read some article on /tv once about pedophiles being trek fans so often that cops noticed and would make bets and talk about "hey this ones a trekkie to." And how they'd raid these guys apartments and find Worf autographed pics on the wall, etc.

I figured that post was bullshit so I started searching for the article on google. The first article I found about star trek pedo's was some guy recently getting arrested. It was that fan in the UK that converted his house into a star trek bridge/ship interior.

Then I remembered I'd heard about this dude a decade ago when he started building the star trek house. Damn. I geuss there's just a segment of Trek fans that are pedos.

I'm not at all surprised how this video ended. I'm like those detectives now wondering why so many pedos are trekkies?

>>222934280
They just wanted to go where no man had gone before

>>222933615
They're grasping

>>222934558
*he's
its only ever been just one guy

>>222919428
Why is DS9 that low?
It's the best Trek by a mile.

>>222933611
>rat patrol
>get smart
>time tunnel
>voyage to the bottom of the sea
>man from u.n.c.l.e
>mission: impossible
>hogan's heroes
>lost in space
>green hornet
>flipper
>i dream of jeannie
the 60's were awesome

>>222920392
I don't think you really can bring it back. Trek just belongs to an entirely different world. You cant have a 26 episode season of a sci-fi series anymore, especially on streaming. The audiences just aren't there for that kind of thing anymore. It's an IP that just belongs in the past. It had its day but its structure and philosophy don't fit in the modern tv landscape. We got 30 years of stories out of it and they kinda did all they could with it anyway. You could bring back a new Enterprise with a new Captain but it just wouldn't be the same because the entire philosophy behind how they wrote Trek is just gone.

>>222935124
they had a weird way of distributing trek shows in the 90s so it meant episodes would air out of order and people couldnt follow the ongoing storyline
the more edgy aspects alienated casual trekkies
general trek fatigue setting in by the mid-late 90s

what the fuck is PRO

>>222935860
>>222935124
98% of the time ds9 would be in the same timeslot as voyager. so you could flip to the other whenever one had an adbreak.

>>222936110
Star Track: Prodigy

>>222920594
This. It was made for a certain time and and certain people that no longer consume things of it's kind. You could have shows like TNG, X-Files, etc. back in the day beacuse the audience was actually mature and smart enough to understand it. Today, if they even fucking watch it, it is made for the lowest common denominator. Because every production has to look and feel like a long movie, the budget is through the roof and so you can't possible have neat little episodes like old trek or even fun hang-out episodes. Every moment has to be big and shiny and explosive. Every monologue has to be understood by the lowest iq mongoloid in some far away country that just got starlink. It really is that dire.

>>222936110
Proctologist

>>222930895
To me Troi should have found it easier than most to send holo-Geordi to his death, since holodeck characters don't have emotions she could sense. Similarly, maybe they could have done more with her interactions with Data, like she starts off with the kind of casual bigotry Pulaski had or sees him as an interesting puzzle

>>222933037
Like old pennies, what with the copper blood

>>222919428
Lower Decks sisters... not like this...

>>222932758
>I love TOS because it's fun. TNG, on the other hand, buys into its own hype.
Based

>>222919889
it had jason arday as captain

>>222930511
It's not like linear shows were new at the time, but as the first trek doing it, it likely backfired since the prior two shows were like 80-90% 'of the week', but still, you'd notice somethings fucking different/wrong chiming in after a few seasons, some characters went MIA (dead) or actually got some development (but probably not enough to ruin your viewing, given that you'd get maybe what 5-7 episodes a season that meaningfully advanced the 'plot' or single character).

>>222926481
There are plenty of non-trooned autists. Troonery is caused by a combo of autism + porn addiction + vidya, and most importantly, having done several drugs that have turned someone's brain into mush and thus can't provide more safety measures against self-harming. All troons I've known of are druggies and that's the least discussed part about the troon epidemic.

I have a really crazy idea

Just have a 2-3 season series set in the TNG/Voy/Ds9 timeline before they discover to much crazy technology and before the Dominion war on some random star ship

How hard is that? Go with what works. That worked.

>>222937243
I have been watching Trek and Xfiles on a loop for a long time now. Xfiles, except for a few episodes, is not very sophisticated and more than half the episodes are slop monster of the week

Trek on the other hand at least 50% of the stories actually do require you to use your brain or have empathy

Believe me I like Xfiles too but that is a show that us gonna be hard to reboot. I know they are doing it but so much of that show ONLY works because cellphones, mass surveillance and the internet wernt common place.

Reminder: DS9 fans actually like Star Wars, not Star Trek.

>>222941647
>you can only like x or y

>>222942014
Yes, retard.

>>222920594
I don't agree with this notion that there's no audience. Everybody is constantly complaining about how they want more mature shows, it's just that the supply is abysmal.
There's an obvious, tangible appetite for good Star Trek or a Trek-like show, but there are no offerings that fit the mold. Actual Star Trek blows, and shows like the Orville leaned too heavily into the genre parody direction to be taken seriously as mature TV, not to mention it was made by the family guy, so nobody expected much.
I would definitely pay 10 dollars or whatever a month to Paramount+ if there was an actual fucking good, weekly Star Trek production to enjoy that wasn't fucking garbage.

>>222919586
it was a new ST show after many years

>>222942057
>I would definitely pay 10 dollars or whatever a month to Paramount+ if there was an actual fucking good, weekly Star Trek production to enjoy that wasn't fucking garbage.
Unfortunately, nobody watched Lower Decks because it was a cartoon show.

>>222942014
>let's turn x into y!

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>>222942107
And that doesn't apply to DS9. Perhaps JJtrek or Nutrek, but not any of the pre-JJ Treks, and implying as such only means you're a console-war tier shitkicking troll who needs to be euthanized.

>>222942096
100% agreed, considering I didn't watch it and probably never will because I was completely turned off by it being a Rick & Morty-looking cartoon show, similarly irony poisoned to be fit for consumption by insipid millennials.
I'll grant you that I might be wrong, and that it might actually turn out to be worth my while. But I just don't believe that so I'm not interested in bothering with it.

>>222942150
>nuh uh
This is what you sound like.

>>222942096
Nobody watched it because it was unfunny hot tumblr garbage.

>>222930356
I mean yeah. That's why he did it.
He wanted a slice.
By using "20% different" or whatever that number is he can embezzle IP legally. He gets a cut on every single piece of JJTrek and used the studios to legitimize it.

>>222942096
No one watched it because it was abysmal and childish.

>>222942150
>quick, we need another space battle to keep the viewer's attention!
You and that pedo mod Bashirfag should get a room.

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>projective greentext
Kill yourself.

>>222942169
It's a comedy show, but it's not irony-poisoned pessimism like Reddit & Memey. It might be a meta-self-parody but the actual plots are reasonably well thought out, albeit kind of nostalgia-fests. The Texan-Class arc from s3 was pretty interesting.
>>222942177
>>222942197
Samefag.

>>222942239
Very reddit post.

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>>222942260
Malding toon troon.

>>222942291
>seething
>troon
>tranny
Why are you in this thread if you weren't alive for golden age trek?

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>>222920392
writers who aren't mentally handicapped.
the new HBO GTO shows are full of woke themes and DEI casting, but have writing almost on par with a mediocre novel, so they basically have no competition in the modern tv landscape and are smash hits.

>>222942260
I see you’re still trying to trick people into watching that trash.

>>222942309
Oopsie! I forgot to include "Malding". Another post 2016 twitterfaggot little kid insult.

>>222921294
>Should I try DS9 or voyager?
Yes but for both of these they get better in the later seasons for different reasons, you kind of have to put up with the shit to get to the gold

>>222942291
why do you even have this screencap saved?

>>222942333
sounds like you are malding

>>222942362
>they get better in the later seasons
they really don’t. The dominion war is always lame/inane and voyager just sidelines all the bad characters. Which is most of them.

>>222942260
Just take a look at the OP image >>222919428
It performed like hot garbage. I don't think people are samefagging when they indicate that they have a strong negative outlook on it. They're just corroborating the numbers.
Again, I haven't watched it and I might be wrong, but you might also just need to accept that you have a higher tolerance for Funko Pops than most. I don't want to watch it because it looks like a Calarts dumpster fire, and I'm not responding well to you using key phrases like "meta-self-parody" and "nostalgia-fest."
Honestly, why would you think someone would respond well to that? I think there's a huge amount of overlap between hating the modern direction of NuTrek. NuTrek is characterized by wokeslop, therapy speak, relationship drama, explosions for retards. Okay, I don't like that.
But just because turning it into Family Guy is different doesn't mean it's better. I don't want either.

>>222942404
>arguing with trips
The dumb newfag trope is so tiring.

>>222942418
I disagree with you

>>222942424
>Just take a look at the OP image
the image we still don't have an actual source and was likely just made in an hour to stir shit up?
Didn't read the rest of your post.

>>222942403
Probably to keep a record of the obvious/delusional paid shilling for nutrek.

I was born between the episodes "The Jem'Hadar" and "The Search, Part I"
Lezzie Dykes is a fucking garbage cartoon, and I think I've earned the right to say it.

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>>222942426
i have everyone anonimized

>>222942452
So, no-life schizophrenia.

>>222942452
saving screencaps of arguments you disagree with sounds a lot more delusional than liking LD & SNW.

>>222942439
fact doesn’t care if you agree or not.

>>222942468
How does that affect the post number you're replying to, retard kid?

>>222942442
Delusional.

>>222942468
He was talking about the digits.

>>222942477
Oh my science

>>222942494
You sure are.

>>222933563
I think I remember reading that they didn't calculate demographics in the ratings. So you see all that unc shit at the top.

>>222942476
that isn’t an argument it’s a commercial. false advertising at that. The idea you can just straight up lie to people to get them to watch shit is just bizarre. But that’s what shills do. Then they act shocked, shocked! when the well the poisoned is no longer trusted.

>>222942488
so you are the newfag then?

>>222942537
>when the well the poisoned is no longer trusted.
shut the fuck up, jeet

>>222942537
ok, so by your logic, you're saving random commercials to your computer. that's worse than what I was saying.

>>222942548
>doesn't realize he has no clue what he's talking about
Your screenshot clearly shows my trips, brown kid.

>>222942583
you obviously dont know what a trip is, bud

>>222942531
>we failed but oh we got a not-insignificant percentage of [laser focused demographic]

the worst thing about retards such as yourself is they always think everyone else is as stupid as they are

Holy shit, Lower Standards fan having an absolute fucking metldown. Still mad that your lame cartoon died a pitiful death?

>>222942566
The ad campaign is over. Doesn’t mean it should be forgotten.

>>222942596
>can't figure out contractions
>can't figure out the site
>can't figure out why white women smile at him

>>222941647
Daily reminder that TOS was science fantasy and DS9 was a return to form
TNG is the true outlier

>>222942612
You're the only guy having a "metldown" here.
>>222942626
So you admit that it lives in your head rent-free.

>>222942596
it’s some newfag thing right?

>>222942645
>if I just keep calling everything a newfag thing, then I'll fit in!
and in September no less

>>222942642
you can’t shame people into forgetting what happened anon. sounds like you’re just enraged that you won’t be able to live down the obvious paid shilling.

>>222942631
im sure you can google it

I'm now convinced that indian kids ARE a problem on this site. If you see a post without capitalization or punctuation, that kid is BROWN or brown adjacent. Do not reply.

>>222942671
you’re the one who seems determined to “fit in” to the point you’re trying to shame people who don’t respect your essentially random post number.

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>YOU'RE THE ONLY GUY HAVING A "MELTDOWN" HERE

>>222942697
anon only esls care about proper grammer

they think it makes them whiter

>>222942719
>no u
You argue like a black toddler. No wonder you couldn't escape the ghetto and like DS9.

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>>222942678
I got into LD a month ago, I wasn't here when it was actually airing. Pic related, it's you.
>>222942703
Congratulations, you fixed the typo (which is the reason I had it in quotes, retard).

>>222942736
you are brown