Is this series worth a watch? Or is it rage inducing with hollywoodian misrepresentation of everything
>>223023860Yeah probably. I'm reading Tai-Pan right now and it's awesome.
If you can't name at least two of the three of Japan's great unifiers then this show will be lost on you.
Just watch it. It's not like you have anything else going on in your life.
>>223023860It's great. The white guy absolutely doesn't save the day but is an inconsequential plaything of Jap political machinations like everyone else (though the story is well told mostly from his perspective).I think the show was pretty well received in Japan too.
>>223023860It was a decent watch.Nothing great, but I wasn't bored in the middle of watching.
>>223023860S tier first 2 episodes followed by yap fest followed by S tier last 2 episodes
>>223023860its shitfilled with girlbosses, humiliation rituals and a really fucking annoying constant edge blur effect
>>223023860It's okay I guess.The main character is kindve annoying though. Also>Speaking Portuguese (English)>Mariko Speaking Portuguese (with a British Accent)>Son of Mariko speaks Portuguese (with an American Accent)
>>223023860Best show of the 2020s
>>223023860It’s fantastic. It satisfies me on a lot of levels. if you are interested in the time period and aesthetics, and stories with lots of power plays and complex Machiavellian plans with a lot of grounded human elements you will like it. It’s extremely well acted and engaging, and all complaints tend to be nitpicks that are pretty forgivable like some of the language stuff>>223024770 here or a few anachronisms with some of the guns (like some characters having flintlocks instead of matchlocks) but if you’re not autistic that type of stuff shouldn’t disengage you too bad. I’d say it’s the one of the few true 9/10 shows of the last decade and think about it fairly often.
>>223023890nobunaga, hideyoshi, ieyasunow if you dont know the bird parable of the three, you got to commit sudoku anon-sama
>>223023860i loved the first 2 episodes.
>>223023860they paint a quadroon black guy with white face for the main character. shocked no one complained
>>223023890ezkongming, douglas macarthur, lelouch
>>223023860>lil Timmy fantasy: the showHard pass
>>223025530kek
>>223025453he's literally me
>>223023860I liked it at first but fell off halfway through because it just started to drag and that girlboss slave chick or whatever he fucks was such an obnoxious plot
>>223025620it's about a historical character anon
>>223025676>>223025656also they make every jap an idiot except this guy
They took umbrage with the original series not giving enough time for the Japanese plots and ended up over-correcting and practically deleting the Portugese/Dutch plots.
>>223023860Yes, but the lead is complete charisma vacuum for some reason. EVERYONE else is better.
>>223025656>audience starts laughingtruly the wiliest of samurai
>>223025705Suure it is. And I'm the president of the United States
>>223023860I get that this is based on a book but I just want a samurai series of this quality that doesn't centre around a white guy. Imagine a HBO adaptation of Vagabond.
The topic is interesting, but it should have focused more on the three sides: Japanese, Dutch and Portuguese, who who all had their own goals, and the lead is aligned with the Dutch but as an Englishman not really part of them either. It focused a bit too much on the Japanese's own squabbles, making it feel a bit narrow in scope. If it zoomed out and looked at the colonial wars, although located in Japan, it would feel more like an epic.
>>223025705its a vaugly historical fantasy about a white guy- 2 actually, that were in japan but thats about itthe book is from the 70s and is very deliberately written to be a white mans sensational fantasy, particularly the way it describes the court lifeMusashi is a better book, they should adapt that but theres only japanese in it so.
>>223023860Who the fuck is even coming back for S2?
>>223025863>Presented without comment She was my favorite character
>>223025895Your taste is appreciated, anon. You get to keep your head.
>>223024770Right also >MC learns conversational Japanese in like 3 months
>>223025989Fuji best girl
>>223025989
I stopped watching halfway through. I thought the color grading was way too blue.
I would have loved to watch it for jap historikino but I don't care for le white man in japan
>>223025837carving an impromptu bokken out of a rudder is too based for hollywood anon
>>223026016>he doesnt regrade colors in lightworksngmi
>>223025837>deliberately written to be a white mans sensational fantasyThank you for saying this. Unfortunately, 4channers are too busy gawking over some pan face to accept this.
>>223026012>Random Barbarian gets this for punishment
>>223023860Yes
>3 years from one season to anotherHoly shit.>>223025945What a super cutie, I wish Mariko didn't have suicidal tendencies.
>>223023860The English dude talking about Malta and 17th century euro politics stuff realllly makes me want more kino like that. My favorite scene was the one dream sequence in England. Anyone have recs?
>>223023875I just bought King Rat
>>223025805Blackthorne is only the protagonist for like the first 2 episodes, then he becomes another side character and the series shifts focus to Toranaga
>>223025958>if you are fucking a girl you usually are learning the language right away
>>223025835Yeah it’s really bewildering how little this stuff was ultimately part of it Another dimension soon here is that, unbeknownst to the Englishman, the Dutch and the English were starting to have a falling out back in Europe
>>223026368holy esl
You will never find any worthwhile analysis of this show on the internet because two people of different races have sex. This is true of all media which depicts such acts, no matter which races are involved or how it is portrayed.
>>223023860Good production value but literally nothing happens
it was a good show. The protagonist is the weakest part of it. And also at times it feels like i'm watching >Weebs Wet Fantasy: The Show
>>223026503The book is interesting, but also a bit weird. It is an almost straight retelling of Tokugawa becoming the shogun, but I assume to avoid any "umm actually this is historically inaccurate" he changes all the names. Though the really frustrating part is it spends 500+ pages building up to the Battle of Sekigahara only to end right before the battle happens.
>>223023890Oda NobunagaTokugawa IeyasuHideyoshi
>>223023875Shogun and Tai-Pan are both very good in their own ways. Dirk is probably the more interesting main character than Blackthorne, but Blackthorne is on the more interesting adventure.
>>223025453He’s half armenian, not black>>223025743He’s retard kino
>tfw gaijin come to Japan
>>223023860It's kino.>is it rage inducing with hollywoodian misrepresentation of everythingIt takes itself seriously and there's no woke shit, if that's what you're asking. IDK anything about Japanese culture or history though and there was a good deal lost on me because of it, but it also sort of added to it. Not common I watch a show that feels over my head in any way.
>>223023860I've already seen the best version of white man goes to japan and cures his inner demons. No need to spoil the concept with an inferior attempt.
>>223028820>nooo not two cakes what causes this mindset
Its a hilarious comedy. The white guy repeatedly has to pretend to be retarded. The japs get all angry and the bad japs get distracted by him. He repeatedly gets the shit beaten out of him while looking on in understandable horror at the savages. At one point some jap hillbilly equivalent accidentally walks in the path of a samurai and just gets his head cut off unceremoniously in front of him. He is completely right about them btw, sure he learns a bit about their culture but he never stops completely at seeing them as weird aliens compared to him. Its a hilarious fish out of water story. Theres a part where hes just blowing Japanese heads off with his fuckhuge hand cannon guns and clubbing little ninjas to death with them while the japs are all bothered he treats his weapons like tools. Awesome show, also he fucks.
>>223023860Its mid. But not bad if you got nothing else
>>223023860im watching it, finished episode 4. i like it. it feels like an isekai anime. the lead characters are all good, the main english guy is funny. the costumes and props are good. the biggest concern i have seen so far is woman fight and killing like men, like one female character killed like 5 background jobber soldiers
its just another bong media trying to steal the achievements of their superior iberian counterparts.
>>223029253what are you talking about? This is based on a book from the 70s.
Why didn't they just make the show from Toranaga's PoV or something? It was weird when they tried to shoehorn the white guy into situations
>>223029300Yes, a fucking book, like the real history that happened in Japan in that period was not interesting enough, so they had to shoehorn the bongs in Japan when they had no relation whatsoever with them.
>>223026018At least Clavell got the years right. William Adams's arrival in Japan coincides with the Blackthorne character's arrival precisely.
>>223023860no
>>223026018>>223029253>>223029376brownoid seethe lol
>>223029376It's more like the real history in that period WAS interesting enough for someone to write a book about itAlso as I'm sure other people will point out there were Europeans involved in japan like William Adams, they just weren't that common.
It's kino and the anjin is literally me
If anything, the Dutch get done dirty in the book vs reality.
>>223023860Idk I only saw the original. The 1980 version is a fucking masterpiece though go watch that instead.
>>223029711the dutch role in Japan was very pragmatic, they just wanted to do business so they never mingled with japanese affair or tried to convert them.They knew what happened to the portuguese there and knew how to keep a low profile and just do the trading,Thats why despite all that portuguese had a much larger impact on japanese culture and the dutch, despite trading with them for centuries, barelly left any impact in Japan.
>>223026012ho lee fuk
>>223029822Chamberlain was a FAG
>>223026267>>223023875>>223026721 What is it like reading books?I wish I could, but I lack the imagination to visualize the written stories
>>223023860Why does Hollywood only have one Japanese man to act as Japanese Man in every movie that requires a Japanese man?
>>223030451That’s honestly very sad. Literature is so much more imaginative than almost anything in film or television. I think a big reason shit sucks so bad now is that no one reads.
>>223029711They're barely in it.
>>223023914Yes it's supervised by Hiroyuki Sanada. SKorea can grow audience with super-sleek Kpop MV, fashion, idol products, while their action/thrillers translate better than saeguk -- Japanese court politics with samurai and lords are more entrenched. You see them pitching House of Ninjas, Last Samurai Standing, Queen of Villains/Sanctuary (wrestling + sumo) the familiar stereotypes.
>>223031463Sory I'm retarded and didn't quite get your post, are you recommanding sompe kinos or...?
>>223029828Dutch did leave a mark on Japanese science. Many of their terms originate from Dutch textbooks.
>>223025743>original - Richard "Charisma" Chamberlain>modern - a guy I'm already forgetting while looking at his damn picture
>>223026267amazing book
>>223026472Its kino, what else do you need to know?
>>223023860Everything after ep 2 is insufferable girlboss bullshit
mmhmm....the japans...
>>223030451It's like a muscle, yours is weak because you don't use it, you don't use it because it's weak. Try working on it in some way, such as watching videos of people making art and taking note of the individual elements that function together to form that art, after focusing on lines, colors, contrasts, perspectives, and so on for enough time, you'll be better able to see these things in your mind.Don't spend the rest of your life being a retard in this way, you're better than that.
>>223030451I would die without books. I passed the Great 4chan Outage in peace because I had books to read while the site was down. I don't go anywhere without at least one book.
>>223023860KONNICHIWA, DUDE!
>>223023860Why do (some) japs (and Aznidentity/Ricecels) get butthurt about a fictional western series on a western platform based on a book written by a western author includes the western perspective of a western main character? Before the world went turbo sjw ID & faux-nationalist politics, they would've been happy just to be included and shown to western audiences.
>>223023860>Is this series worth a watch?Yeah, even though the book is over 1000 pages and they cut most of it out, as well as needlessly changing stuff.>>223023875>I'm reading Tai-Pan right now and it's awesome.It's Clavell's best novel and Hollywood will probably adapt it again, though they'll probably fuck that up also.
>>223034157>It's Clavell's best novelNoble House was my personal favorite of them.
>>223023914>The white guy absolutely doesn't save the day but is an inconsequential plaything of Jap political machinationsNonsense, Anjin-san is critically important to how events play out, in fact without him, Toranaga would have lost.But the show replaced that grrl powah!
>>223026553it's an alternate history (all Clavell's books are) but the genre wasn't "codified" like it is nowadays and he didn't think of the novel that way, it was just fictionalized history for him.As for Sekigahara, if you have even a modicum of historical knowledge, you know what happened there.
>>223034189noble house is such a guilty pleasure. so many parts of that book are just bad and I don't care because I just love hanging out with all those characters. I tried to watch the miniseries a few years back, only take away is now I picture Dunross as the architect and imagine him bulking up his wife between scenes. that little extra lora adds a lot.
>>223034394>so many parts of that book are just badDew neh loh moh on your ancestors for such an opinion! You had best abase yourself in prayer for salvation, little oily mouth!
>>223034157man I actually read Gai-Jin a few years back and I'm still hurting. The dude could still write but clearly lost the ability to plot out a story and identify what is interesting. It is so sad that he couldn't finish what should have been his opus.
>>223034372>As for Sekigahara, if you have even a modicum of historical knowledge, you know what happened there.I just hit Sekigahara in Dou Suru, Ieyasu? I'm hoping they capture the scale, but I'm not sure NHK ponied up for that in a taiga series.
>>223034454lol ciranoush is my waifu but I skip all the commie rants on my rereads
>>223029376Fuck off racist.
>>223029822>The 1980 version is a fucking masterpiece though go watch that instead.Great mini-series and it follows the book more closely but I suspect for most nowadays, it'll appear dated.
The novel is about a master manipulator 4d chessing himself to the top of the country, as part of that he's manipulating the white guy into being his best friend for life, and we see this mostly from the perspective of the white guy. The tv show completely misses the point. It actively muddies the point by trying to take the white guy down a few pegs. The friendship really isn't there at all. The show's so terrified of white savior accusations it both never let's the white guy be particularly useful or even friendly.
the show runners are a white male/half-white half-japanese female couple. it was filmed in 2021 in Canada with all the staffs wearing masks.like everyone else is saying, the first couple episodes are the best.Anjin becomes a side character after that because the showrunners and writers had to put the japs on the pedestal. the showrunners said in an interview that they cast cosmo jarvis as Anjin instead of going with blonde hair blue eyed guy because, and i'm paraphrasing this but they didn't want the white guy to look sleek and proper. they wanted him to almost look like a bumbling big buffoon surrounded by stoic, dainty japs.
>>223034547The colors may confuse the modern viewer's eyes.
>>223033905>Why do (some) japs (and Aznidentity/Ricecels) get butthurt about a fictional western seriesBecause they are actually more Westernized then normal Asians and thus have adopted retarded Western woketardation.
>>223034596>look like a bumbling big buffoon surrounded by stoic, dainty japs.I mean, that pretty accurately describes blackthorne in the book. And shogun is tied for my all time favorite book next to east of edan.
Fuji best girl
>>223034189>Noble House was my personal favorite of them.Tai-Pan > Shogun > Noble House > Gai-Jin > WhirlwindI'm not including King Rat as it's a fictionalized autobiography and doesn't really fit the series.>>223034463>I actually read Gai-Jin a few yearsIt's a great story but there is no "Main Hero" like Anjin-san in Shogun, Dirk Struan in Tai-Pan and Ian Dunross in Noble House for the reader to identify with. Whirlwind suffers the same problem.
>>223034626>>look like a bumbling big buffoon surrounded by stoic, dainty japs.>I mean, that pretty accurately describes blackthorne in the bookIn the book and first adaption, he starts out that way but quickly goes full Ken-sama. In the new adaption, he remains mostly a dumbass throughout who is just carried by events around him.
>>223025145I have an even nitpickier complaint about the guns:In the first episode you see some ashigaru running while holding thier matchlocks in the style of modern rifles (low ready, with the barrel angled down) which would 100% cause the shot to fall out of the barrel of any muzzle loading weapon. This really bugs me because the image of a soldier marching with his gun in the traditional (resting against the shoulder with the muzzle pointing straight up) position is so culturally ingrained that modern armies using modern breech loading weapons still do it to this very day while on parade, centuries after it became unnecessaryAmazing show 9.99/10
>>223028941The soldiers were under explicit orders not to hurt her, thats why they jobbed so hard
>>223023890MitsubishiSuzukiToyota
FUJISAMA BEST GIRL. The show should have been about Anjin dono repeatedly fucking her in her holes. Yabushige best boy.
>>223025958He really doesn't. He can barely speak Japanese at the end of the season.
>>223034504>lol ciranoush is my waifu but I skip all the commie rants on my rereadsI've always imagine Orlanda Ramos as Maria Ozawa and the commie storyline ties it all together.
>>223024770Technically a New Zealand accent
>>223023860It's pretty damn enjoyable.
>>223023860No, it had 2 good episodes (they both aired together with the pilot) so normies immediately glazed it. the nothing happens, but just like GOT normies failed to realize it had gotten shit unti lthe very conclusion where also nothing happens
It's a good show by modern standards. There's some filler but it's got cute girls.
>>223034596Tbf there's no way in hell an English sailor is gonna be sleek, clean and proper after like 2 years of bordering on scurvy and no bathing at sea
The Geisha is a fucking hotty that's what
>>223025656>>223025945I would watch a spin off of just these two, they were by far and away the best characters.
>>223037056this is actually part of his progression in the book...he starts out all scruffy etc, and over time picks up "civilized" Japanese habits.
>>223037203You are really making me want to read the book. The one part of the show I disliked is how he seemingly remained ignorant all the way until the final episode.
>>223037218You will find mixed opinions on the book, but I think its fantastic. It is might be the best stand alone book I have ever read. You wont go wrong reading it, even if you don't like it as much as I do.
he should have unalived himself
>>223023890ChingChong Bing Bong
>>223025530basteHere's an actually not bad primer in 9 minuteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh5LY4Mz15o
Jardines is still alive and well in Hong Kong
>>223037305
>>223037082For me it was Ochiba (Lady Yodo).
>>223023890Oda Nobunaga Toyotomi Hideyoshi Tokugawa Ieyasu Date Masamune and Ii Naomasa are my favs, though.
>>223037082I watched it on network TV when it aired and had didn't know she's nude in the uncensored version
>>223023860it's shit
It's alright but they need to stop that awful background focus shit
>>223038231>Ii NaomasaBased. I'm a Takeda Shingen & Honda Heihachiro Tadakatsu guy. myself
>>223023897Hey! :(
>>223025650Stand on your mark! Ahhhh!!!!!
>>223025989Good advice.
>>223026563*Bows respectfully.*
>>223033498>>223030451Good advice. I didnt get into books till I was 13. Firestarter and then kudos got me into books. Hardest part is beginning and looking up.words and keeping track.of characters and events. Having a notebook will help you be a better reader. Finding the books that you are passionate about is essential. What gets your blood pumping? Electronic gaming monthly was all I read as a kid and it was a good start. Any magazine is a good start. Build up your mental palace and visual library. Write down and look up every word. Godspeed!
>>223023860I like the scene where the ninjas attack and the gaijin shoots them after sleeping with his japanese gf
The villain from blue eyed samurai is badass!
If anyone remembers the Portuguese interpreter who reconciles with Blackthorne at the end, I was surprised to find out he stars in a Japanese morning drama where he plays a foreigner who lives in Japan in the 1800s and has a Japanese wife. The story is about the two of them bonding despite the language barrier, through shared love of Japanese culture and ghost stories. I managed to catch a few episodes of it when I was there a few months ago. It was pretty good.
>>223039583this show is grandma morning tv slop
>>223039594Don't diss morning dramas my dude, those obasans know what's up.
>>223023860It's kinda like seasons 5-6 of game of thrones, when the writing was turning bad but wasn't eyeroll inducing yet.
>>223031512>original - Richard "Charisma" Chamberlain>ends up in a diva feud with Toshiro Mifune>modern - a guy I'm already forgetting while looking at his damn picture>ends up working in his favor because he is supposed to be playing a fish out of water characterThat whyCosmo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard
>>223039630>>ends up in a diva feud with Toshiro MifuneI would sack Mii-Dera Temple to get into a diva feud with Toshiro Mifune, RIP.
>>223038231>>223039330>Ii clan fansFUCK THE II
>>223039668t. some Sanada loser
>>223039621nigga its shit
>>223039689I think he was from like Hiroshima or something
>>223039711That's a really long way from Ii lands.
>>223039728Ii clan was rated #1 place to commit seppuku
It was genuinely awful to watch through weekly release. The lead actor looks like a saudi prince in whiteface, it's a baffling casting choice made even worse by his horrific acting. I could forgive the distracting googly eye contact lenses if he knocked it out of the park but he was laughably bad and his character was inconsequential.I felt that the series was a hate letter to the original as well as the "white saviour complex" in general. The politics of the show were dull and it meanders in circles, trying to prove some philosophical point with it's female characters that doesn't really get anywhere. The intended waifu becomes so obnoxious that it is funny when she sudokus.The setting is underutilied, the show does that ugly fisheye cam thing and the final scene directly spits in the viewers face, declaring nothing mattered and the show is 2smrt4uThis board was botted with shills when it was on, posting from memory
>>223039922god I love reading these schizo midwit rants, I can only imagine how unstable and freakish you are irl
>>223034228He's critical but he has zero agency, just a bargaining chip. None of Anjin's own actions have any real effect.Only things he does himself is provide advanced cannons (made meaningless by the earthquake) and help the Japanese ship sail deep water during a storm.
>hypes up Toranaga for weeks and this 72D mahjong master>his master plan is pretending to be sick>fufufu silly white man, you are but a toy in my great game
>>223039531I used to read books.I read all the Harry Potter books when I was 10. I stayed up all night and finished Deathly Hallows in 5 days or something. I then read the Percy Jackson books, but after reading the first books in the Heroes of Olympus series, I fell out of it.After that, I stopped reading books for like 15 years.Last year I tried to read Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and it took me like a month to read the first chapter.
>>223040013>>223039922It was such an uncompelling show to watch for this reason. Toranaga doesn't do anything the entire show and really just uses bureaucracy and customs to let his enemies trip over themselves. It's almost laughable how much whatever he says or his enemies do doesn't matter. He is basically waiting out the clock till the regents eat themselves.It is by far the most strategically smart thing, of course. It exploits the rules and traditions of the time but it makes the show such a boring watch because then you're just sitting there for the acting. You get an inconsequential plot about a white guy thinking he is making a difference, and another about how if it wasn't for a woman Toranaga wouldn't be where he's at.
I think Japanese girls are cute
>>223034946>picsadly that's not the same guy
>>223039980If you don't have any arguments and resort to insults it just makes you look butthurt. Which is pretty funny because only retarded losers get butthurt from random anonymous posts
>>223040072That's kinda the point though. He has all these catastrophes, betrayals etc happen and they each look like they could doom him but he never actually planned to use them, just to think that he'll always have the capablility of being an unbeatable threat if they let him go unchecked.It's a big theme of the series that the complicated customs around honor are a giant beurocratic mess with overly harsh punishments for transgression, even if you're forced into them. It's in keeping with the theme of the series for this to be the way he wins rather than winning on the battlefield.All he needed to do was to force his enemy into making those disguised house arrests. After that he just needed to survive long enough to be prove it wasn't a temporary restriction for their own safety and that they were being imprisoned.
>>223023890Yasuke
>>223034228This is what White people look like to the Japanese?
you have to be a weeb to truly enjoy it
>>223023875Me too, but I'm wondering how will they tackle Tai Pan when it gets adapted
>>223023860I stayed away from it cuz the mc seems like a modern doormat male
>>223034575>The show's so terrified of white savior accusations>>223034596>the showrunners and writers had to put the japs on the pedestal.>>223039922>hate letter to the original as well as the "white saviour complex"Yeah, they seemingly went out of their way to make sure nobody would accuse them of the dreaded "white savior" trope, even though it's not a trope if it's true. They were probably terrified of being cancelled. After all that though, it didn't stop ricecels from throwing a fit about it.
>>223039594>>223039583The character is lafcadio hearn, or at least inspired by him.>>223041370>>223023875There's a great opportunity to give it the adaptation it deserves, after that horrible 1986 movie.It's a Good book
>>223034596I think that they were interested in Tai Pan but I think that they can't do something like that with Dirk struan.He's supposed to be someone who knows what to do ( almost more similar to a Gustavo Fring )That's what makes whatever happens to him at the end of the book more tragic.
honestly it was mostly better than the original series
>>223023860>Is this series worth a watch? Or is it rage inducing with hollywoodian misrepresentation of everythingwhy cant it be both?
>>223023860Shogun (1980) > Shogun (20whenever)>>223025736Best Rodrigues, and this is why
>>223042192this but unironically
He's literally me
The constant paraphrasing and summarizing in the translations really fucking irks me. It happens to some degree with actual translations too but at least there you don't see accurate and inaccurate side by side. But fucking Mariko repeatedly made dramatic changes to connotations of word choice and phrasing.
>>223042873That's part of the point. She was never intending to translate honestly.
>>223043005It's not like she was steering the translation toward a different interpretation. It was just lazy or bitter.
>>223043005>>223042873>>223043036If she was honest with her translation he would get killed or but also it shows her biases.For example the scene with Bunt to.
>>223043080* Buntaro
Why did he make this stupid fucking face so often?
>>223042072They filmed it in China so they had to cut out all the parts about the Chinese all being inherently dishonest, soulless bug people which is like 75% of the story.
>>223043352Also they tried to make a two hour movie based on a book of seven hundred pages.
>>223043307its the armenian genes
>>223043307>What do you mean you killed the guy after I said anyone who touches it dies???
>>223043523
TEK-034
>>223023897OMg who pissed on ur crablegs?
