>Perfect form>Is a Manlet What did Toriyama mean by this?
>>223034998>>>/a/
>>223034998His retard editor was on his ass about making the cell look more cool.So they made him look like a combo of frieza and cell. Toriyama hated drawing cell. And to be honest, there is a very good chance that no, that is not his true perfect form. The trunks timeline androids and current timeline androids are completely different and 16 was released. So the cell Gero was creating in the lab would have probably fused with current timeline 18 17 AND 16.
Cell, and Buu both having the absorption gimmick raises the question of what would happen if they were to both attempt to absorb each other at the same time.
>>223034998What the actual fuck are you talking about?
>>223034998>Almost 7 feet>ManletThe only manlet on that pic is Goku
>>223035346The true perfect form was android 18, yummy! St. Peach ai as android 18 now!
This sounds like a (you) problem
>>2230349981st form>Asian2nd form>BlackThird form>White
>>223034998>manlet>6'7" before the hat/antennae
>>223034998Perfect Cell is like 6'7 how is he a "manlet" ?
>>223034998bigger doesn't mean optional for combat, perfect cell could make himself bigger but he didn't want to as bigger size wouldn't be able to perform combat very well against z fighters
The strongest final forms in dragon ball z usually get smaller.
>>223035395It would be lust vs gluttony
>>223034998>>>/a/???
>>223035575Maybe that was "tall" 10 years ago, now you gotta be 7'2 just to be considered average and get a 5/10 girlfriend.
>>223034998MMO cell was betterVery dragon quest coded
>>223034998manlets are just stronger in dragon ball. beerus is like 5' 7" >>223035346>Toriyama hated drawing cell.he hated doing the dots
*Torishima
>>223034998Goku should be 6 feet tall
>>223035681looks terrible
>>223035699meanwhile oda makes a hyper complicated design for a big bad cause he's based
>>223035346I don't know if he was pressured, but the Android saga seems like Toriyama trying over and over to get the villains right.>old man and fat chinktoo lame>hot chick and pretty boytoo attractive to stay villains>bug monstertoo weird>nigga buguncomfortable>Frieza wearing bug armorperfect.
>>223035941You're right. Toriyamas editor just kept complaining about every new villain not being good enough and Toriyama kept pulling new ideas out of his ass to appease him until arriving at Perfect Cell. Only part you got wrong was why 17 and 18 weren't deemed good enough. The editor called them "a couple of punks?" and said they weren't scary enough, not that they were too attractive.
Super is non-canon. The true canon is DB>Z>GT>AF.
>>223035936>hyper complicated>nigga with black shit on him who just posesyawn
>>223036142>talking complicated design>retard chimes in
>>223036195my OBVIOUS point was that tori actually poses his characters and solid black is easier than little textured dots, so it's understandable why oda gets away with it. if anything hori's designs are more impressive
>>223034998>Cell is 6’5 without the crows in his head>7’1 with them>OP says he is a manlet
>>223036308Solid black is much, much harder to Ink.
>kid arc was real adventure hours>teen tournament was kino>saiyan arc was kino>namek was peak>androids and cell were kino>buu was just cell over againthen the series ended and nothing was ever added
>>223034998>perfect form>has a vestigial tail
>>223036526it doesn't have to be hand drawn and it doesn't make animation aids. that's the primary reason he gave for not reusing cell, because the animators hated him
>>223036612He can still use it, it's just tucked away. He spawns the cell jr from there
>>223036012>Toriyamasyou make it sound like this guy was just spitballing and dbz was just a bunch of embarrassingly lucky lucky accidents, until it wasnt
>>223036646He didn't even want to make DBZ, then he was also forced to not turn Gohan into the MC and revive Goku instead.
>>223036098>fan fiction>canon
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>>223035346cell cant absorb 16 in any timeline. only 13 can fuse with other actual androids (17 & 18 are cyborgs)
>>223034998>humans were the monster all along I cry at the realisation
>>223034998>>223035346DBZ was ghostwritten and Toriyama was only doing the drawings, right?
>>223035395Nothings leads us to believe Cell could absorb just anyone the way he absorbed the androids. He was designed specifically for that after all. And after he reaches perfect form we never see him use his tail to drain others of life as we see him do in his previous form. It looks vestigial if anything, and even then I can't see it working on Boo's "bubblegum" bodyConversely I see no reason why Buu couldn't just absorb cell like we see him do with others
>>223038354>Nothings leads us to believe Cell could absorb just anyone the way he absorbed the androidsHe literally absorbs the entire world in Trunks timeline.
>>223038348I think it was all him until Namek. Or maybe he just stopped caring idk.
>>223038390As cell first form, whose enire deal is go around sucking people until you are strong enough to absorb the real deal and become perfect
>>223038354Why didn't Dr. Gero just build Cell with two infinite Ki generators built in to start instead of expecting him to absorb 17 and 18?Why would he even assume Cell would need to absorb 17 and 18 by force to begin with if they were both just in stasis when Cell was being built?Why, when Gero was converting himself into an android, didn't Gero just build his own new body with all the technology and power of Perfect Cell, with 17 and 18 already absorbed to begin with, considering he designed and built all of the prerequisite technology for all of that himself?
A Dragon Ball movie could be very cheap to produce, all they need is one actor (and don't worry, I hate all anime equally)
>>223039039>grrr why is this cheap pulpy format taking shortcuts!Autism
>>223034998Friendly reminder that Goku is an alien, not a chink nor a jap.good day
>>223039039What actor has the right scowl / caveman forehead ridge?
>>223039356It's difficult to find the right combo of prominent ridge and closely placed facial features. The nose would also have to be shaped appropriately, rather small/thin I think.
>>223039039dumb gook
>>223039356Directed by Zack Snyder
>>223034998I thought Goku was 5'9? This looks to be 5'6ish.
>>223040074canonically 5'7"
>>223035582Nappa and Recoome are able to perform in battle despite being taller than the cast.
>>223035941>old man and fat chink>hot chick and pretty boy>bug monsterThe android saga / early cell saga was the last spark of Toriyama's creativity, prove me wrong
>>223035941This is why the Cell saga feels like an exercise in frustration until you get to the Cell Games, it's like Toriyama just hit a reset switch every 15 minutes and started over and everything you just watched barely mattered
>>223035941How the fuck can two cyborgs beat a Super saiyan
>>223038889Cell in the manga is just an arrogant kung fu monster with the worst traits thrown back at them. Semi Perfect is just him acting like 17 and Perfect Cell is just copying Piccolo and Goku. Gero said that Super Saiyan is just the fighters increasing their energy output without changing their fighting skills
>>223042047>Frieza is able to destroy entire planets>a super can barely btfo Frieza>a mass produced hardware can btfo a superIt made no fucking sense. Even if you make up some half assed explanation about Vegeta being new in the whole super sayian business, it still doesn't.
>>223042216Freiza in the manga is one of the few people who doesn't go for the planet busting techniques unless he's angry. He jumps into efficiency when it became apparent everyone is stalling
>>223034998This show fucking sucks after the Cell saga. When I was a kid the show suddenly restarted from episode one midway through the android saga so I figured id watch the rest of it. Cell saga was decent but then it turned into a gay faggot show during the Buu saga. Shame, I was gonna watch past it but changed my mind
>>223035699>BerrusFUCK OFF. DBZ spinoffs suck my ass with a shop vac
>>223034998I don’t think he meant anything, Cell started off as a big larval monster and evolved into a more streamlined, ergonomical form. In fact the larva of flies is much larger than the fly itself, too. Deep lore idk what you call that.
>>223034998Why even make him an android? He's clearly some sort of bug monster. It makes no sense!
>>223042047There’s tons of expository dialogue about this, Gero reverse engineered Goku’s strength to design the androids, and that there was also ultimately a cap on how strong a robot can be which is why Cell is basicslly a clone of the others instead, but more like a blade runner kind of engineered on a molecular level design.
>>223042806The whole point is that cell isn't an "android" even if he's classed as one. He's meant to be the pinnacle of engineering, in which case genes provide everythingWhales can retain oxygen insanely well, and even cry a lipid mixture to protect their eyes. Arapaimas and Durian fruit have such a hard shell that modern humans think them note-worthy. Sharks and snakes have straight up electro-receptive organs. Look at insects and bugs. Scorpions can survive underwater for days.
>>223041956I think Buu saga was plenty creative>mind controlling midget wizard (garlic jr was more or less that but that's anime filler)>light eating monster>cool devil overlord (a bit played out but he had the best design of all his devil dudes)>fat chewing gum silly monster who transforms people into candy>SSJ 3>everything Gotenks>Mr. Satan saving the world
>>223035941Cell is literally a clone of Frieza though. His perfect form was obviously going to resemble the guys he was cloned from, and he’s basically just a human(oid) with wings and a helmet (made of weird flesh).
>>223040074>>223041797Canonically Goku and Gohan are fucking huge compared to normal people walking around town. Goku is easily above 6 feet, Piccolo is like 7 feet, I don’t care what the Wikipedia or whatever fucking says I’m just going by how the characters are portrayed on screen I’m imagining Gohan running around the city trying to get people to give energy for Goku’s bomb against Buu and he’s towering over the next tallest guy in these crowds of people
>>223042890>cool devil overlordcool thing about him was how Buu was so horrible and sinister Dabura ended up changing his ways and being a good guy
>>223042866He’s an android in that he was engineered/built not simply a spliced up clone but he’s made of meat and has DNA and isn’t a robot.
>>223041891and both of them got punked by Goku who's much smaller and broke them at their midsection which was an easy target.
>>223042890>great faggotman>mr satan>fat Buu is annoying>Gotenks is annoyingI hate the Buu saga
>>223042707You’re a faggot.And I want to go on record and say anyone who sucks off the android saga is a faggot. Easily the worst part of the show.Buu > Frieza > CellAll the best shit happens in the final part of the series, easily. The cell games itself is kind of fucking annoying to watch as it keeps cutting to Mr. Satan going “WHOA MAN DYYYIKES WATCH OUT FOR ALL THIS DEBRIS!!!!!” every 2 seconds, or cutting to Trunks or Krillin saying something stupid about the battle they’re watching they can’t comprehend.
>>223043106>greta saiyamanDude it was like 2 episodes of fluff establishing the characters since there was such a huge time skip since we last saw them.>Mr SatanThe best character on the show…?>Gotenks and Fat Buuboth of them rule but neither of them are even in the latter half of the Buu saga
>>223043114Frieza was peak. I am glad it continued but it could have been a perfect cap to the story
>>223043296I watched the whole Frieza saga while tripping balls and when they left for their journey on Namek it felt like such an epic journey how they were so far away on this alien world and they’re all communicating with each other and coordinating plans and idk how to explain it but it was fucking surreal and how it all culminated in the planet just taking so much abuse from the whole ordeal it starts to collapse, fuck it was fucking nuts holy shit
>>223043114Frieza > Buu > CellBuu saga just got screwed by the time it had to spend trying to make Gohan work as the protagonist before giving up and bringing Goku back, outside that I find it as good as the Frieza saga
Man, Daima was such a good send off from Toriyama. I'm gonna miss that lil dude and everything he gave us. I really hope Super being redone isn't shitty or annoying and we quickly get to the new arcs because I'm tired of waiting for this shit and now I'm gonna be comparing it to the quality of Daima.
>>223036656Meme
>>223043691Moro arc is already getting animated
>>223043831Yeah they said that, but I'm fuckin' waiting.
>>223043648Goku was always going to be the savior in the end, but the final push was 200% a team effort either way.
>>223042047>>223042216Dr Brief - whose whole deal is that he made a technology that casually rapes the energy/mass conservations laws - had trouble to simply read the the androids and cyborgs blueprints.Gero is the epitome of weaponized autism.
>>223042738beerus is cool and has OG dragon ball gag energy
>>223034998>Becomes shorter after swallowing a woman
