I hate A24.
>>223061381I don't, I think both hereditary and midsommar are good movies and they are diversifying their offer enough even moving away from horror, with the drama being my favorite flick from themBut the slow burn elevated horror realistic panic attack crowd can suck a dick and fuck off already
>>223061381Where is the full interview? If this is an interview.
how much soi does this AVC consume
>>223061433https://www.avclub.com/john-carpenter-video-games-interview-halloween-ends-1849641145
>>223061381Based Carpenter
I legitimately forgot that this nigga is still alive
>>223061381Boring movies.The horror lies exactly in the same dimension to the movie as a fan theory.It's just overly thinking about the movie that may be scary.The movies themselves are just boring nonsense.
>>223061381Carpenter is such a grumpy old man it's not funnyPlease remind him he made ghosts of mars unironically
>>223061478and?
>>223061478I like it unironically
>>223061498Reminding Carpenter he made ghosts of mars will send Carpenter into incoherent rageTrying to imply he made bad movies in general will
>>223061478He's really not, people just cut off the interview at that point because it's funny.The rest of the interview is just him talking about what video games he's been playing.
the final John Carpenter movie was the first Sydney Sweeney movie
>>223061478>unironicallyGo back and stay there
>>223061522>He's really not, people just cut off the interview at that point because it's funny.I've seen a dozen John Carpenter interviews young-ish or old, he's grumpy in all of them
>>223061381He doesn't understand because no one calls it "elevated horror". It's bone-chilling, character-development-driven, cheap-jumpscare-free, emotionally-draining, slow-burn horror kino.
>>223061516>>223061498>>223061478It's not like James Cameron where he just exists in seething asshole mode 24/7But it's funnier because Carpenter can be chill and then for no apparent reason he'll just snap and go like "Fuck you, bitch" even though he was asked something totally innocuous
>>223061473>The horror lies exactly in the same dimension to the movie as a fan theoryI'm pretty sure the horror in hereditary lies in the satanists and the freaky stuff that they make happen and in midsommar lies in the pagan cultists tha practice human sacrifice, not at all different from rosemary's baby and the wicker man which are horror classicado you consider those too boring nonsense?
I like more A24 novies than catpenters. Which isn't hard
>>223061381John Carpenter has made a total of three good movies - Halloween, Escape From New York, and The Thing. The rest are all trash.
>>223061381Shut up. A24 guerilla advertises here and you're damaging their gravy train with threads like these.
>>223061381It’s surprising to me John Carpenter hasn’t seen those movies. Wouldn’t a horror director keep up with the latest horror movies
>>223061610Nah boomers are more than content with letting the world pass them by as they cling to what they have built and tell everyone else to fuck offThis is true also for artistic types
>>223061412Does the thing count as elevated horror? Whatever it is I fuck with it the most. There’s nothing scary about torture porn, jump scares, or retards in Halloween costumes
>>223061522John Carpetter
>>223061629>Does the thing count as elevated horror?Probably not unless you want to turn it into a metaphor for cold war paranoia or something but with Carpenter being a commie I doubt that's the case and you'd need to go for death of the author and at that point you just sound like a retardI think it counts for good horror. Simple as. Much like the movies in the OP
>>223061623>you have to watch and imitate the same repulsive (((current market offer))) as everybody else does GOY who the hell you think you are
>>223061537good, i'm tired of faggots and their fake nice pr schtick
>>223061610Not that surprising desu desu
I sometimes think about this completely random and unprovoked tweet
>>223061650Yeah the horrors that linger in your brain after it ends are my favorite
>>223061381>hereditarythe boy was cute
>>223061478I like ghosts of mars, it's fun, always nice to see prime Natasha.
>>223061567They Live and The Fog are both good. Assault of Precinct 13 was also good. Big Trouble in Little China? Kino.
>>223061381I'm not autistic and terminally online enough to have a vendetta against A24 (or any movie studio), but for their sake I hope Hereditary was meant to be some kind of black comedy because I laughed my ass off. Midsommar was just alright, 6/10.
>>223061701>unprovokedNot really. Surely he has been made aware of the way his movie is generally interpreted by a segment of the audience nowadays
>>223061381I don't mind A24, but Midsommar was just a Jordan Peele flick directed by a J*w.
>>223061731>jeet>cute
>>223061381I guess "elevated horror" means "neurotic jew horror" then.
It's elevator horror.
>>223061381insufferable snobby intellectual journalists
>>223061381I prefer elevator horror
>>223062284because they push your buttons and make your (emotions) go up and down?
>>223061381over scrutinizing shit is not a marker of intelligence
>>223061440>AVC: How does gaming fit into your regular routine?>JC: It’s a big part of my life. I enjoy it. It’s a lot more fun than directing movies.
>>223061381Based carpenter. Metaphor is for faggots. This post is heavy on the metaphor of anyone that likes metaphors also enjoying sucking dick.
>>223061701I mean, he's a Hollywood filmmaker. Professionally, he really can't afford to offend the chosen people in any way.
>>223061551Rosemary's Baby is exactly like that. It's basically the grandmother of all nothingburger horror. Not to say it's not a good movie, but it's not scary. What anon said entirely applies, if it was not made by Roman Polanski it would not be as shilled as it is. It's impossible for The Wicker Man to be boring because it's a musical with titties in it.
>>223062457Based
>>223061567>>223061875In the Mouth of Madness you retarded niggers
>>223062457
>>223061381there's virtually no metaphor in hereditarythere's alot of whatever dramatic tool it was that made "signs" cool when that was new - fate, god, demons, forces beyond mere human willpower - conducting humans like puppets to their own end, preparing an entire persons' or familys' life from birth to death to fulfil some obscure goal (3 generations of the family in hereditary were attuned to the paimon worship stuff, with the sole end of performing the ritual events in the last 30 minutes of the movie)but none of it is really indirectly referenced or metaphorical, it's all pretty direct, visible, tangible to the viewer. it's just hints and oddly coincidental things that eventually culminate in that moment of realization that none of the people in the film have ever truly had free will and this was the fate they were condemned to likely 2+ generations prior when the grandmother put the movie's finale ritual in motion.
>>223062735Isn’t it in the name? Inheritance of trauma maybe? Didn’t the mother witness her brothers suicide or something
>>223061381based JC mogged that s0i b0y "journalist"
>>223061381>I have no idea what you're talking aboutCan he be more based?
>>223061539Sound like the kind of movie that insist upon itself.
>People usually use itPredditors aren’t human
>>223061478The man has so many iconic films under his belt. Cant say that about a single "elevated horror" director.Wind your neck in faggot.
>>223061381I literally just watched They Live yesterday for the umpteenth time. That fucking bitch Holly.
>>223061381>>223061551I just think the average horror fan has really shitty tastes and their idea of what horror should be about is the equivalent of drinking a cup of coffee or masturbating to porn, just instant gratification, they might be even dumber than action fans. Classic horror stories from 50+ years ago understood it's all about the characters and suspense not a high body count and tons of jumpscares or extreme graphic violence like the younger generations grew up with and got desensitized to. This isn't even exclusive to horror either sadly, classic action movies like Raiders of the Lost Ark that blew people's minds 40 years ago with its practical stunts seem tame and boring now to moderm audiences that are so used to CGI and over-the-top action in Avengers and Fast & Furious 9 with that ridiculous car bridge rope swinging scene. At least action fans still understand that a movie like Dr. No still counts as an action movie.
>>223063645Lmao I watched one of those fast and furious movies in theaters, and we all audibly laughed when the niggas shot themselves into space. The first fast and furious was genuinely great tho. It’s crazy to think all these movies are in the same universe
>>223062457Dude obviously hasn't been playing Tarkov.
>>223061381What is an AVC
>>223063645NTA but I don't like slasher torture porn movies at all. Never seen a Hostel movie or any movie like it. I'm really into the new stye of movies like Barbarian and Weapons though. There's a straight to streaming Salems Lot movie on HBO right now that wasn't half bad. Nosferatu was way too far up its own ass though. Yeah I'm gonna check out RE next week.
>>223063087thats not normal. his right bicep is going to start whispering summon rituals
>>223061701What does the tweet say if you're wearing the glasses?
>>223061629The most famous scene of The Thing literally has a jump scare.
>>223063645>what horror should be about is the equivalent of drinking a cup of coffee or masturbating to porn, just instant gratificationUnironically yes, and this is a good thing. The objective of a horror movie is to make you feel horror. It is supposed to be exciting and the movie fails or succeeds on the strength of that, like how a comedy is supposed to be funny. Jumpscares can be scary, but a movie that's basically just a screamer compilation isn't particularly good horror. Extreme graphic gore and body horror shit can be scary, but a movie that's just goreporn isn't particularly scary except to a singularly squeamish kind of person (who probably wouldn't enjoy the movie anyway). If people are dying gruesomely every 5 minutes it just becomes predictable and oversaturated. Elevator horror takes this way too far in the opposite direction to the point many of them are horror movies in name only. Imo the best example of this is The Witch. There is absolute zero actually horrifying content. It's just a very, very slow paced period drama about 16th century new England - but Satan shows up off screen at the end. There is no actual horror in it, unless you find the themes about isolation and patriarchy and paranoia particularly unsettling. In which case many period dramas would be very unsettling for you.Horror (like porn, or a cup of coffee), needs to be understood on its own terms. Horror fans already know what they want to see. But movie critics have a hard time translating what they think good cinema means to this. Which is why they will dickride movies like the Witch or hate on movies that later turn out to be classics, like The Thing. I have no doubt Obsession is going to be canonised because its one of those rare horror movies that horror fans like and that has topical enough social/psychological themes that immediately legitimise it to mainstream critics.
>>223061381>what if the real monster was... le depression/melancholy/unresolved family trauma?tally up another ELEVATED a24 classic that turns the genre on it's head!
Imagine being so much of a pretentious faggot that you act like the movies you enjoy are "elevated".
>>223061381A24 fans are so pretentious. Just enjoy the films
>>223063927These ones are kino tho
>>223061381That interviewer got metaphorically raped. Elevated horror right there.
>>223063937How can anyone enjoy A24 slop?
>>223063831>THEY LIVE is about Jewish control of the world
>>223063965Yeah, that category doesn't really fit in, but I couldn't be bothered to edit it out.
>>223061530Based Carpenter for giving homeless, no tits, Sydney Sweeney a break cleaning his basement, then her career.
>>223061701The>reproduceHidden message sufficiently muddies the waters for any real world analogy especially set in the 70s
>>223063927That bottom row needs some work
Carpenter has spent half his life seething at Cronenberg for implying that horror is a manchild genre so of course he hates A24 movies
>>223063087They Live sequel starring Big Poppa Pump WHEN?!
>>223062457Carpenter was always a vidya nerd at heart, born just a bit too early, even a guy with so many classics under his belt had to learn the hard way that the film industry is run by pedophilic jews or retarded theater kids
>>223061381>HereditaryInteresting but isn't anywhere near as scary as people make it out to be>Midsommar"Male bad womynz good" kikeslop
>>223061544James Cameron can act however the fuck he wants. He went from Piranha to Avatar. He has the technical know-how to literally do whatever he wants. Whether you like anything he does is irrelevant. Cameron did it all. He accomplished his goals. He can be a cunt.
>>223061478>ghosts of marsThat film was horrible.
>>223061381A24 never recovered from Based John Carpenter burying the shit out of them
>>223061551Yes. They're both shit but Hereditary is one of the most overrated and forced horror movies in recent time. Complete garbage.
>>223061610you're confusing an artist with a consumer
>>223063927>babadook not listed as onionsinto the trash your opinion goes
>>223061567Assault, Prince of Darkness, Big Trouble, In the Mouth of Madness, Starman... You can't possibly be this fucking stupid
>>223061530TIL John Carpenter is Sydney's grandpa who taught her the value of hard work before giving her a shot in the pictures
>>223062461Holy shit brother, I think you metaphored too good and now its seeming more like an anal-ogy
>>223065095Everything in that image is onions thoIt's not in the A24 section because A24 didn't make it.
>>223064611THEY'RE FAT
>>223061412>I think both hereditary and midsommar are good moviesWell, youre wrong
>>223063927>evil dead is safe from this imagethank god
>>223061381>DID YOU SEE THE HECKIN METAPHOR!?!?whoa, that's like... so meta
>>223061701
>>223061551>the satanists and the freaky stuff that they make happenIn the last like 5 minutes>midsommarHaven't watched, its pure Jewish propaganda >>223061610Those aren't horror movies>>223063645>what horror should be aboutEffects and tits. You do some good effects, you get some tits out, thats a horror movie
>>223065303>Haven't watched,then what the fuck gives you the right to comment about it, you retarded genitally mutilated goylem
>>223061478People always say Event Horizon is a 40K movie, but Ghosts of Mars is one too. A vault of ork spores is released and creates mad max space warriors.
>>223061412>with the drama being my favorite flick from themfucking kek
>>223061701How do people watch a movie about how rich WASPs are controlling everything and think it's about the Jews?
>>223061381I love what a fucking curmudgeon Carpenter is. He kills me. My favorite was when IGN had him on to play his themes on those shitty Nintendo Labo cardboard pianos, and he straight up called it a piece of shit. Or his remark about how he likes it when they make a new shitty Halloween sequel or remake, because he doesn't even have to do anything but hold his hand out, and a check appears in it.
>>223061381>I hate A24.Grow up faggot, they're a production company that makes movies (You) personally don't like. Get over it. They've been successful because they've stuck to an older studio model. Scout film festivals for movies that cost nothing from literal who's, scoop them up, give them a few million dollars in marketing, and release them into the wild. They don't have to make 500 million dollars to break even, and if one does well its financed them for the next 10 years. There are plenty of shitty horror movies being produced each year that there is no reason an adult should be getting upset about one company that does well.
>>223061478I'd rather watch Ghosts of Mars than 90% of modern horror
>>223064770You could be the most ingenious and accomplished artist in this world but acting like an ass will always be frowned upon
"horror" fans are low IQ individualsthat's basically it
>>223063869>The objective of a horror movie is to make you feel horror.Nobody said it wasn’t, you're just completely missing the part about instant gratification where retarded horror fans will literally mentally count the amount of jumpscares and kills a movie has, the minutes between each one and will piss and shit and moan if there are 27 jumpscares/kills rather than 28 or if they don’t happen literally every 5 minutes because they need constant stimulation like they all have ADHD so the comparison to porn and coffee here was not a positive implication in this context. Suspense is in essence about the fear of the unknown, doesn't get any more horror than that but this is completely lost on the average modern horror fan. >There is no actual horror in itDid you actually watch it? The VVitch starts with a newborn infant being kidnapped by an old naked lady living in the woods who grinds it up and turns it into baby mush that she then smears all over herself to become young again. The rest of the movie is about the escalating tension and gradual unravelling of the sanity of the rest of the family who are dealing with loss caused by an unknown threat, living isolated and cut off from the rest of society so thus were all doomed to their fate from the start. It's full of the kind of dread that gets under your skin and stays there after the credits roll, basically the textbook definition of suspenseful psychological horror so there are no monster chases or anything like that to be found here if you went in expecting that like I’m sure many horror fans did judging by some of the reviews and scores it got on sites like Letterboxd.I do find it funny that you bring up the movie’s sense of isolation and paranoia like those are totally separate things from horror but then you immediately compare it to The Thing in the context of classic horror movies.>Horror fans already know what they want to see.Prey tell us what exactly that is then?
>>223067257>>https://letterboxd.com/
>>223063831ISRAEL IS OUR GREATEST ALLY
>>223067257This is the thing, I accept your comparisons to porn and coffee and I don't see it as a bad thing because the job of a horror movie is not to make me feel smart, it's to make me feel scared. This is the criticism I make of critics versus horror movies, half the time they don't know how to watch horror movies or analyse them on their own merits. It is like watching porn and coming away giving it a 2/10 because of it's not a normal movie, it's just completely missing the point of the pornography. What makes a 10/10 porno is not what makes a 10/10 movie and neither is what makes a 10/10 horror movie. To the end of making you feel horror, a jumpscare is a tool. So is gore, so is death, so is suspense, so is the unknown and the unseen. All of these are tools available for the director to be used, and all of them can be used well. Just like how an erotic filmmaker had a multitude of tools available, including suspense for that matter, a good porno will make great use of suspense and the unseen.The problem with elevator horror, like The Witch for example, is that it's all tease no cumshot. Not all elevator horror is made equal but in its case the resolution to the suspense is not horrific, it's thematic. If the kind of themes the Witch works with leave you with a lasting sense of dread then you would probably also find another period piece like Women Talking scary (I'm aware that movie is a meme on /tv/ but I am unironic about that comparison)Suspense is only suspenseful when it actually goes somewhere, when the build up has resolution, and in horror that resolution must be horrific. This is the problem with constant jumpscare movies. A jumpscare is itself a vehicle for suspense, it's payoff to build up, and it sets you on edge in anticipation of the next one. Oversaturating a movie with then ruins the suspense, but that does not mean the tool itself is the problem.
>"Elevated horror"Imagine being so ashamed of the shit you're consuming that you make up a term that describes what you like as better than everything else when it is obviously not no matter how you slice it. Its some I'm not a nerd I'm a geek shit. lol
>>223065273kek
>>223063813>I'm really into the new stye of movies like Barbarian >There's a straight to streaming Salems Lot movie on HBO right now that wasn't half bad
I love Carpenter, Cronenberg and Raimi.
>>223065445Ghost of Mars is Doom.>mining company>on Mars>release what are basically demons>they possess people like the zombie and chain gunner are possessed>metal soundtrack>heavy shotgun use>near the end ice cube says anywhere is better than going to hell, next scene he says the tide is up, the 2nd episode of Doom is called the shores of hell>has an smg similar to the one on the iconic Doom cover artI just watched it the other night and there were a few other things I noticed like shooting a barrel to kill a nearby enemy.
>>223069526And since it's Carpenter it's entirely possible he actually played Doom and was influenced by it.
>>223069526>>223070551is Ghost of Mars a better Doom than Doom 2005?
So the metaphor for midsommar is white ppl bad I guessbut what about hereditary?
>>223061381>Elevated horrorImagine saying this to the guy who made the most cerebral mainstream horror film of the 20th century.
>>223061478Carpenter does voiceovers for campy indie music videos wtf do you mean he's a grumpy old man.
>>223061473>>223061381>elevated horror>it’s just white people bad
>>223072006he made the exorcist 3? wow i never knew that
>>223067948>the job of a horror movie is not to make me feel smartAnd there in lies the issue, you think movies need to be dumb and full of excess because that’s the only way for you to feel emotions which is a personal issue. You’re so far up your own ass you probably don’t even realize that there are people who find The VVitch horrific but feel nothing for your Terrifier or whatever else you deem a good example of horror except maybe laughter. What is scary/creepy/unsettling, what is funny, is in the eyes of the beholder, but The VVitch isn’t trying to be a historical drama with minor horror elements like you’re implying, you didn’t even remember the first 10 minutes of the movie either if you even saw it at all which it doesn’t sound like you did, even just scrolling through the RT reviews briefly most seem to understand that and gives it good scores for that reason.>half the time they don't know how to watch horror movies or analyse them on their own meritsSlasher movies have never been particularly well liked by critics or audiences actually because they’re usually just bad, lazy and uninspired hence Michael, Jason, Freddy, Chucky, Ghostface et al. getting a trillion sequels. Even in your cherrypicked comparison, The VVitch has a higher average rating on every user driven review aggregator site like IMDB, Letterboxd etc. with many more user ratings. Even on RT Terrifier has less than half the amount of critic reviews as VVitch and 10x less user scores because post-2019 it only counts verified ratings which require purchasing tickets through Fandango narrowing it even further down to only Americans being able to give scores. If you’re somehow implying that the Terrifier movies are what you think constitutes as “true” horror then you’re just proving my point. Slashers didn’t exist back in the eras of Poe or Lovecraft and neither did that type of excessive graphic violence that we’re so used to today or jump scares for that matter.
>>223067948What the average horror fan thinks horror is about stems from growing up with what the genre largely became about starting in the 80s and only concerning American horror. J-horror and K-horror for instance have pretty much always been “slow burn atmospheric jumpscare and gore free elevated horror” with few exceptions like Guinea Pig. The VVitch and others like it is just going back to classical horror before it became about pornographic violence.>a good porno will make great use of suspense and the unseen.Suspense doesn’t just mean anticipation in this context, it refers to a very specific narrative tool used in cinema and literature of which two primary genres sprang from: horror and thriller. If a porn tries to have an elaborate story like what you’re describing then it's longer just porn, but porn + other genre, like Pirates (2005) and that probably includes clit lit that’s basically just romance novels with explicit sex scenes in them. Pornography started with people taking pictures of naked women with cameras in the 1800s, they can only have very little plot before it stops being purely porn because it’s simply not inherent to the purpose of the genre. Horror as a genre started with the written word and thus has always been inherently story and character driven like every other literary/cinematic genre. Horror fans don’t know, don’t care about or don’t understand these differences so they keep thinking Terrifier represents the entire genre, not just one very specific sub-genre that actually does demand a certain kill count to qualify as.>but in its case the resolution to the suspense is not horrific, it's thematic. These are not mutually exclusive. If you think a young teenage girl losing her entire family and then ending up joining the evil forces responsible for their deaths by signing a Faustian bargain with the literal devil isn’t horrific and is actually just some feminist power fantasy then you have a pretty skewed perspective on things.
>>223067948>If the kind of themes the Witch works with leave you with a lasting sense of dreadThey can given the right context/presentation, that’s generally how genres work. You yourself brought up The Thing, which I noticed you either conveniently ignored or just didn’t pick up on the contradiction a second time, which shares the same two core themes of VVitch. There are retards out there who will unironically claim The Thing isn’t a horror and it’s because they think exactly like what you’ve illustrated perfectly so far, so they don’t understand the primary mechanisms that drives the film’s horror is equal parts suspense, paranoia and isolation, the monster itself is just another piece of the puzzle, not the sole piece. What do you think the whole mascot horror trend is about for example? It’s about taking innocuous iconography meant for young children and changing their presentation to turn them from cute and lovable and funny into monsters to be feared.>(I'm aware that movie is a meme on /tv/ but I am unironic about that comparison)Yeah, I know that strawman comparison probably makes sense to you given how you didn't actually watch the movie you're poorly trying to analyze.>when the build up has resolution, and in horror that resolution must be horrific.But it doesn't need to be constant, nor does every resolution need to be horrific, otherwise we wouldn't have final girls and every horror movie ever made would have everyone dying at the end which is just pure nihilism. One of the most famous Gothic horror stories ever made which has had countless film adaptations made almost all of which are horror too, Dracula, always ends with Dracula’s death and Van Helsing and Jonathan Harker’s survival, even his fiancé Mina survives unless it’s the Nosferatu version of the story.
>>223062687That makes sense, considering Sonic Unleashed is the Halloween III: Season of the Witch of vidya.
>>223063927The Exorcist isn't scary at all but it's a damn good movie.
>>223065185>>223065095Babadook is IFC Films not a24(IMO IFC Films is better than a24)
>>223061701>I sometimes think about this completely random and unprovoked tweetBig Trouble in Little China was not about the Japanese takeover of America in the 80s
>>223061544>James Cameron where he just exists in seething asshole mode 24/7That isn't Cameron at all though. He's a cocky arrogant prick, but I think his filmography over the years has proven that he's justified in being a cocky arrogant prick. I don't think any of his movies approach Shakespearean levels of drama, but he knows spectacle and and how to craft technically impressive films that has driven forward special effects technology. He's just not the kind of guy who suffers fools, or wants to bullshit.
>>223065220Gotcha
>>223072801Where's Bug?That's like an a24 movie before a24 was even a thing
>>223063927>>223072801Sex. Have it.
>>223061381Heavy on the metaphorical? So it is an allegory?
>>223072853If you would please consult the charts
>>223061544Cameron, Carpenter, Spielberg, and even Scott have every right to sit on their laurels and be dumb obnoxious assholes. Maybe if the successive generations of directors captured 1/10 of what they did theyd need to shut up but theyre all entitled to yell at clouds. Just look at Alien as proof when Scott and Cameron took it they made 2 movies that completely changed movies forever. Everyone almost mindlessly chases the feeling from those movies for literal fucking decades. You can see their influence in movies now. Alien is 50 years old and Aliens is 40 years old and people still chase after those movies. You can add George to this list as well he can make stupid movies until hes dead or nothing. At the end of the day even a century from now people will mindlessly hunt for the same feeling they got watching his movies. What they accomplished was genuinely historical.
>>223072934Never seen any of those. But you BADLY need to have sex before it's too late
>>223061412A dick you say?
>>223072457I'm not particularly fond of Terrifier, but I contrast it to the Witch because it is completely opposite to everything elevator horror is about and it's a typical example of the kind of horror move you are (negatively) describing. Yet, there's a lot of horror fans who really like it and it manages to be less divisive with audiences than The Witch. Your allusions to gothic literature are interesting because what works on the page doesn't necessarily work on screen and things are possible on screen that are not possible on the page. Metamorphosis for example, is unsettling as fuck, but it wouldn't be possible for a director to put the surreal horror of Gregor's inner life onto the screen. What works as literature here wouldn't work as a screenplay because so little of it is visual. In the same way, you can't have a jumpscare in literature, it just does not work. It's something that's unique to cinema as a visual medium and for the director with the goal of scaring you it is an excellent tool to use. Psycho, for example, is a wonderful movie for how it manages suspense and follows through with resolution - and in Psycho jump scares are a well used tool for resolution.When I say "resolution" I'm not talking about the ending, I'm talking about the payoff to the suspense. It's the same as in porn, or music, where anticipation builds until it is answered with resolution. It can be the dread and suspense of waiting to see Mrs. Bates face. It can be the long drum roll on Solo Dancer by Mingus before the bass trombones come in and the bass/drums go nuts. It can be long shots of a sexy woman just doing stuff before any actual nudity or sex happens. Psycho, is really good at this. Suspense is always answered ultimately with resolution, and in Psycho the fright from that sets you on edge to make the next round of suspense even more powerful. When I say something like The Witch is all tease no cumshot, that's what I am talking about.
>>223072934Under the Skin is a beautiful, not necessarily scary, movie, and I would 100% be charmed to a gruesome death. No regrets.
>>223061478That movie he made with Amber Turd was way worse than Ghosts of Mars.
>>223064611Imagine a world where Carpenter made a They Live sequel with prime Big Poppa Pump in the late 90s. It would have been unfathomably kino.
>>223061412Bot post
>>223071657Yeah and it's not even close.
>>223072934>>223063927i prefer elevated onion hurrur
>Did you know Midsommar is called elevated horror?>No, why?>Because the director must've been HIGH when making this piece of crap!
>>223075208kek
>>223075208kek, good one
>>223061969The movie Ari Aster made before was The Strange Thing About The Johnsons which was a black comedy about a son raping his dad for years and years. Hereditary was similar to that just not as on the nose
>>223073170>it's a typical example of the kind of horror move you are (negatively) describing. Believe it or not I actually do like and consider more than a few slashers great horror movies like Black Christmas, Halloween, Scream, TCM, ANoES, several giallos, but the sub-genre is full of mostly trash and the box office also reflects that sentiment because there are now several horror movies that have grossed over $300 million+ none of which are slashers. Those Twisted Childhood PD movies were designed as slashers for a reason because next to found footage they’re the easiest/cheapest type of horrors to make.>Yet, there's a lot of horror fans who really like it and it manages to be less divisive with audiences than The Witch.Not if this board is anything to go by, but yes, The VVitch might be more divisive given it probably has a much larger audience than Terrifier and like I said a lot of horror fans are retarded and have dogshit tastes and don't understand the genre they pretend to be into as well as they think they do so their expectations are often skewed, which naturally hurts their perception of movies that try to be a little deeper than a puddle with less of that excess and instant gratification they're so used to.>What works as literature here wouldn't work as a screenplay because so little of it is visual.The modern horror film, including the slasher, stems from the 70s, but the 80s is when the MPAA started gradually becoming more lax and horror started becoming full of excess: excessive amounts of sequels, violence, jump scares etc. which all culminated with all those ultra violent/jumpscare heavy Saws, Hostels, Paranormal Activities and Platinum Dune remakes from Hollywood in the 2000s, by far the worst decade for American horror in cinematic history so far. Silent horrors, Universal Monsters, Hammer Horror, those were all closer in tone and style to Gothic horror literature than the modern horror film.
>>223073170>Psycho, for example, is a wonderful movie for how it manages suspense and follows through with resolutionThen I don't even understand what we're even arguing about here, because there are only three scenes with traditional payoffs in that entire movie, four if you also count the creepy final shot of Norman speaking in his mother's voice into the camera which I do. Psycho is actually another great example of a classic suspenseful horror movie that certain dumbass horror fans now think doesn't qualify as horror because they keep comparing it to modern slasher movies with gore and high body counts including its own sequels when the original was much more psychological with only a couple of slasher style kills, and yet it shocked and horrified audiences back in 1960 all the same.>When I say something like The Witch is all tease no cumshotThe VVitch does have resolutions, they're just few and far between like Psycho and many other classic horrors. The baby getting turned into paste, the little brother getting poisoned by the witch after getting lost in the woods, the mother having her nipples pecked at by a bird that she thinks is her dead baby come back to life, all the goats getting killed, the father getting stabbed in the stomach by the goat's horns, the twins suddenly disappearing after stumbling upon the witch in the stable, the eldest daugher being forced to kill her own mother who thinks she's the witch who caused all their pain and suffering and then tries to murder her, finally culminating with the ending. Most of these occur in the last 20 or so minutes, but there are definitely payoffs for all the built up tension/suspense.
>>223073170I would say what you think you’re describing about the vvitch actually fits far more in line with what Skinamarink is. That movie was all aesthetics and atmosphere
>>223075460When I was a kid Black comedies used to be shit like Barber Shop and Friday. What the fuck are black people up to these days?
>>223061478is that the one with Trinity or Iced Tea?
More like AlotOfJews
>>223075465The core of my argument is that for a director jumpscares are a good and valid tool to use. That's why I mention Psycho, because what it is doing in scenes like the attached are jump scares, with the soundtrack cues, fast editing and all. There are exactly 3 jump scares, the shower scene (halfway), the staircase scene (2/3rds) and the chair scene (near the end). That's a good distribution, because these are only as impactful as the suspense that builds up to them. The jump complements the suspense. When suspense is building, you are waiting for something to happen. What Psycho is doing is cyclical, the atmosphere of the movie builds suspense, then that resolves violently, and your senses are heightened for the next cycle. I mentioned Obsession earlier but it's relevant here, what Obsession does well is capture the feeling of walking on eggshells. No one dies until the movie is already almost over. But there are many scares, it starts with very minor ones, until you get to the bed scene about half way through, that's the resolution to the opening suspense cycle. From then on, it feels like walking on egg shells, and each subsequent suspense cycle, shorter and shorter, is stronger than the last.Elevator horror is defined by how it rejects a lot of the classic audio-visual vocabulary of horror and instead tries to emulate what critics would consider serious cinema. But, imo, this does not make the movies better, it makes them less horrific. Suspense is better when its cyclical rather than the entire movie itself being one long build to the resolution. The idea is the assumption that a longer cycle = more time = more suspense but that's not particularly effective compared to the traditional model.And the horror industry does seem to have gravitated that way, you don't really have the same interest in these types of movies as you had in the late 2010s, in the same way other things like slashers or torture porn were once in fashion until they were not.
>>223075766Yeah Skinamarink was all atmosphere and vibes, it doesn't surprise me at all the concept started from the creators youtube shorts about dreams because it does watch like a series of vignettes.Tho imo the basement scene was scary as fuck, way scarier than anything in The Witch. The whole movie was basically throwing shit at the wall but for about 10 minutes it actually worked.
