"Yes"

>>223170688
Complete bitch move by her. If she wasn't interested then she should just have mentioned it. If she was then she should have stated it herself.

make sure you check your samsung phone for bulging if you have anything after the s24
a lot of them have been popping and especially the s26

>>223170688
Say "I'm offended that you'd even ask me that. And right after my cat died too. I cant do this right now I'm going home."

>>223170688
>you’re alright for a white girl.

You go out of the car and kiss her.

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>>223170688
NOT
SCARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>223170688
Since she liked him i dont understand how the monkey paw would fuck things up. It granted the dudes wish of having a billion dollar even though he had nothing connected to that at all with ease get it couldnt just make her like him when she already did?

>>223170805
Oh no a goofy clown and a burn victim oh the horror

>>223170829
She obviously didn't like him for fuck's sake

>>223170871
How do I avoid this happening to me?

>>223170907
You don't have sex anyway so you didn't need to ask this question.

>>223170871
I don't understand, are they not meant to look like this during intercourse

>>223170688
No, I'm gay

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>>223170934
She's supposed to look like this

>>223170847
>supernatural burn victim that kills you in your dreams, good luck not sleeping
>goofy clown that is actually some ancient horror who can take any form and fuck you up

vs

>normal 4'3 latinx co-worker girl

like lmao, just don't answer her texts and find a different job.

>>223170871
No one has sex with the woman covering up her front with a cover. unless she has a fucked up stomach shes trying to hide or something and they just met.

She might as well have been saying "I'm on the fence about you but if you at least have the balls to admit you're into me you can come inside and fuck me right now and we'll see what happens after that." Even autism isn't an excuse for his catastrophic fumble.

>>223170866
Ayo calm down projecting incel

>>223170688
>bro just unfuck your whole life in those 5 seconds and get over all your insecurities and fears of rejection bro it's so easy lol
Thanks...

>>223170688
heres how to be a chad

>do you like me, because now's the time to tell me
>you? LMAO
>omg Im starting to like you, lets date.

>>223170712
>If she wasn't interested
She practically set it all up for him, all he had to do was be honest. You're hopeless

>>223171051
why does it work

>>223171056
She set him up to finally let his simp ass go since she was moving.
It was her farewell kindness so Bear could move on.
If he played it right, he might have even gotten some.

>>223170712
>If she wasn't interested
she was
she was an airhead slut with daddy issues banging a fat guy
bear could've easily become her pussywhipped cuck bf

>>223170688
You know what makes this scene even more tragic? Nikki never goes inside her house before Bear starts making his wish. You hear the door very loudly open and close one time but you never hear it a second time. She was standing there on porch the entire time, likely intending on going back to the car.

>>223171045
What kind of worthless pussy thinks this? It’s a woman. Who fucking cares about rejection? She says no move onto the next stink hole

>>223170866
She clearly did. It's why she insisted he come out because she was leaving soon, and it's why she tried to get him to shoot his shot. Women don't ask if you like them because they looking to have an unnecessarily awkward conversation. Especially when all they'd have to do is avoid the topic another two weeks and ghost you.

>>223170688
i put on my robe and wizard hat

>>223171133
How is this tragic?
Also she enters the house and comes back out immediately afterwards in the script, I think

>>223170871
>Okay gay guy go have simulated sex with Inde

>>223171200
Casting a gay dude for Bear was one of the better choices made by the director

>>223171170
If you'd ever been on the other side of it you'd know how awkward and shitty it is to have to turn someone down. It's a situation you avoid like the plague. You never have and never will, though.

>>223171198
It's tragic because had Bear just waited things would have progressed anyway if she went back to the car, there was no need to make the wish.

>>223171151
Pro Tip: never argue with incels on the internet. They have an infinite supply mental gymnastics.

>>223171239
Oh I see. I don't think that's what they were going for, though.

>>223171263
I think Curry deliberately made that door closing sound loud as fuck for a reason. It's like extra loud. And we only hear it once, again most likely deliberately by him.

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>>223170688
You say the truth, Yes. She deserves the truth. If you can't say it, even when prompted, you're a pussy and need to give up on her.

>>223171322
Why are you so mad you silly faggot? I never said it's brilliant, I said it's deliberate. These words mean different things

>>223171369
Quote the post that's blowing Curry for doing this, please.

>>223171403
You should kill yourself the first chance you get. You make the lives of all those you're around immensely worse.

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>>223171296
Yeah I just checked and it's somewhat different in the script. Though they did change a lot of details (including adding this: >>223170853, making the dynamic between them much more ambivalent), so you might be right

>>223170712
>I don’t have to do anything the woman should pick up on the things that are obvious only to me because I’m too cowardly and weak to express myself
The classic chud incel failure mentality, you are a retarded bitch with no balls.

>>223170688
I like how she's explicitly shown to be a massive cunt in scenes like this and people still think the dude is the bad guy.

>>223171464
I could have fixed her

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Course I like you kiddo. Back away now, so I don't crush your toes. Peace!

>>223170688
>filename is 20260716
you've been spamming this shit for 2 months. get a life

>>223171464
How is she a massive cunt in this scene

>>223171429
I read somewhere that it was Inde's idea to make her more flirty in the beginning?

>>223170688
They just had to put this line in, as if the actual feminist lesson is you just had to make your feelings known.

>>223171509
Eat shit nigger

>>223170805
Art from Terrifier is a modern horror icon tho
So are the various different spoopy villains from the Conjuring cinematic universe

>>223170712
She's an attractive woman with a fuck buddy who's about to move to a new town. Why would she give a fuck?
She has all the power. If he admitted he liked her, maybe she would pity-fuck him as a reward. But if he couldn't even muster the courage to do that, then she had no interest in pursuing him, let alone dating him.

>>223170805
>boomers STILL seething
lmao

Real talk, how many people actually sympathized with Bear and don’t think he did anything wrong? Curious to see how many socially retarded chud incels are actually in these threads.

>>223170688
Turn my car 360 degrees and reverse away

>>223171599
>real talk
The rest of your post implies you're not actually interested in real talk.
Also I've married 11 years, and Bear did nothing wrong.

>>223171599
Things bear did not do wrong
>make the wish
>decline to kill Nikki
Things Bear actually did wrong
>simp for 7 years straight
>fail to just shoot his shot
>let Nikki off the hook for the fake cancer story
>go to the party
>not just immediately call the cops when she killed Sarah instead of helping her rob the music store and (ostensibly) hide the evidence

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>>223171670
But how can you say "no" to this?

>>223171599
>sympathized with bear
I cant sympathize with an obvious homosexual. If anything he didnt suffer enough.

>>223171599
No one (sane) thinks he did nothing wrong.
The point is that he isn't some terrible monster who deserved all that shit.
Everyone in the film is a bad person. But they're also all trying to be better people.

>>223170712
Lol I've seen this same complaint from so many of you incels - you all are carbon copies of eachother. Wired exactly alike. I'll put this in a way maybe youll be able to understand:

She basically said "Press A to get girlfriend" and Bear was too big of a pussy to press it. Then you come along and say "wahhh he shouldn't have even been given a choice!" hahahaha you're so fucking pathetic

>>223171459
His grandma really loved him and when she died, she became part of the world

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What was smashing the head with a bottle about? Was it the real Nikki trying to kill herself or was it the "freaky" Nikki trying the reassert control?

>>223171809
It was the fake Nikki trying to stop the real Nikki from taking over again

>>223171848
Not it wasn't a documentary about BPD bitches

>>223171866
No*
I will not recover from this typo

>>223170871
Didn't he wish for her to love him more than anyone else in the world? Shouldn't she be happy that she is having sex with the person she loves? I swear, this movie makes no sense.

>>223171893
Yeah and that's how bad Bear was at sex

>>223171670
You forgot about him ignoring that she was cursed so he could keep having sex with her. Also him being too retarded to try a second wish until after his friend was brutally murdered. And also the part where he realized he could fix it by killing himself and then not killing himself. Also all of the parts where she was obviously fucked up and insane and he just kind of sat there like a pussy pretending it was fine. His character reminded me a lot of Jerry from Fargo actually.

>>223171715
Nicky and his other two friends are not bad people in any capacity literally name one thing they did wrong besides being his friend. I’m not saying the wish was wrong since he didn’t know he had magic shit, he was wrong for being a beta pussy but the wish is just cute longing shit. He’s wrong for pretty much everything after that though.

>>223171957
>You forgot about him ignoring that she was cursed so he could keep having sex with her.
This is why letting long-abstaining incels have sex is dangerous.
People should have more respect for sex workers.

>>223171599
sympathize? in that he didnt deserve to be driven to suicide and all his friends killed by his bpdemon whore
he didnt do anything wrong, nikki is the obvious villain and its still baffling that retards make hour long youtube video parrotting the same headcanon shitty points that fail if you simply watch the film

>I hate fat bitches
>Drives away

>>223171957
Yeah I don't blame him for any of that. Magic is not real and any rational human being would just immediately conclude this bitch is crazy rather than figuring out that actually, magic is totally real and you're in a horror movie. Likewise if the only way out is KMS then I'd rather she just lived her cursed life than KMS, that's her problem.
>Also all of the parts where she was obviously fucked up and insane and he just kind of sat there like a pussy pretending it was fine.
I agree with this one, forgot to put those on the list. Too many of them to itemise.

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>>223171866
Yes it was
I have no doubt this entire movie literally happened to some guy before.

>>223172034
See >>223171957
The wish being real is bad luck on his part, but he’s the one that fucked everything up and it’s up to him to make it right of which there are multiple options he can do, but he’s too retarded and also too pussy to fix the hell he made.

>>223172044
jej

>>223171957
>its a good thing that your bpdemons insane bullshit gf drives you to suicide and youre an objectively bad person for not immediately doing it
do your family and friends know youre a sociopath

>>223172018
In Nikki's case the psycho crazy shit she was doing in the movie goes way above and beyond the parameters of the wish. For much of it she is in fact responsible.
>Ian and Sarah
They're kind of shitty in really minor everyday ways like lying to your bro that you're not fucking his oneitis or trying to steal your friends boyfriend but these are not on the same level as Nikki, the ultimate villain and monster of the story.

>>223172048
>that’s her problem
It’s literally his problem that he caused though lol

>>223172083
imagine siding with anyone who thinks killing yourself to "save" the psycho murderer is valid a solution

>>223172079
*calls the cops*

>>223172141
we know goodnight chud incel

>>223172083
>fucked everything up
>crazy spic bitch whores out on you instead of your friend
Freaky Nikki was going to take dick anyway who cares if she gave it up to bear instead of the other white nerd.

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>>223170741
what is this 2018

>>223170688
>Do you like me?

In what way? Like as I like this person or Like as I have a crush and want to fuck this person?

>>223172133
She can just go to jail and be a crazy bitch behind bars though, doesn't need to stop him living his life.

>>223172135
He'd bring back actual Nikki

>>223172172
We have to go back

>>223170805
Tim Curry It was goofy nigga

>>223172141
I'm the other 1/4 and I didn't see it either kek

>>223171848
>>223172132
correct. foids and basedfaggots itt are unironically saying 'just kill yourself sooner incel chud'. these people probably think Lindsey Clancy's husband did it

>>223171893
Its heavily contrived misandrist slop. Its not supposed to make any sense logically or coherently.

>>223172110
>making up shit out of thin air
I didn’t say any of this is good, it’s all fucked but it’s all fucked because of him even if it wasn’t on purpose. What you’re saying is the equivalent of doing at work at someone’s house, accidentally hitting their gas line and then saying “oh fuck I’m going to get in so much trouble for this I’m just going to not say anything and pretend this didn’t happen” and then the house explodes later killing everyone inside. Bear didnt mean to do this but he did and it’s his responsibility to fix it instead of being a retard.

>>223170853
retarded
thanks for saving me two hours

>>223172186
>actual Nikki
not a real thing

>>223172018
>male friend
Fucking his oneitis in secret, knowing she's his oneitis, while Bear's asking him for advice on seducing her and he's giving Bear shitty advice.
Becoming jealous and annoyed when Bear and Nikki actually do start dating, not because Nikki's acting monstrous, but purely because he can't fathom the idea she'd ever like Bear.
>asian friend
Had a crush on Bear, knowing he liked Nikki, but never made a move while he was single. As soon as Bear starts dating Nikki and looking happy, she immediately starts criticising it. "Err actually, she only saw Bear as a friend, honest"
Makes a move on Bear only after he started dating Nikki.
>Nikki
Knew Bear was simping hard for her. Fucked his best friend anyway.
Happy to unload all of her emotional problems onto Bear. Was not reciprocal and didn't have the time to listen to Bear's problems.

>>223172182
She can, but instead his dumbass helps her hide a body because he’s a sex addict.

>>223172206
>youre just making shit up!
>proceeds to make up a whole unrelated fantasy

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>>223171482
>tfw read 'you matter don't give up' first

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>>223172189
I agree

If she said that 2nd line, I wouldn't be into her anymore, she sounds pushy and thats a turn off

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>>223170688
>movie becomes a box office success because insecure incels project themselves onto the protagonist

>>223172294
I need a pushy gf
The more bossy, shrill and Jewish the better.

>>223172254
>Was not reciprocal and didn't have the time to listen to Bear's problems.
Fucker simply didn't talk

>>223172256
this psycho just commits murder of your coworker and mutual friend right in front of you, and you think his first thought is "oh no! if i dont help her hide the body she wont met me fuckkk!!". definitely not reasonable to presume hes acting out of fear of the bpdemon clearly capable of snapping to unwarranted lethal violence.
retard

>>223172322
God gave you this mindset because he wants you dead

>>223170688
why would you ever say yes, even if it was true? id be pissed the fuck off because she obviously knows its true but wants, at the last second, to put on this retarded dog and pony show. go fuck yourself bye bitch

>>223172325
He tried. Nikki actively told him she had to go when they were on the phone. And he just smiled and accepted it because he's a simp.

>>223172326
She's literally a 4'11" girl. Any man afraid of lethal violence by this woman is merely participating in some yandere sex fantasy, consciously or not.

>>223170805
For me it's the in between where the horror icons were things like holes in a rock.

>>223172254
>male friend fucking his oneitis
Yeah after he has obviously given him ample time to confess already, it’s not his fault he won’t do anything and casual sex is fine at least it’s with friends and not some abusive drug dealers or some shit.
>asian friend had a crush but never made a move
So she’s a piece of shit for not making a move, but for Bear it’s fine he’s just a little sweetie pie, that’s fucking retarded. The only move was made after he drew that thing at the party and in the first five minutes of the movie you can see she’s more loving and caring towards him she just wasn’t as hot as Nikki which is all Bear cared about considering her personality completely vanishes and he doesn’t give a fuck.
>Nikki knew Bear was simping hard
She literally gave him the perfect opportunity to tell her how he felt and he was too much of a pussy to do it. Her only mistake here was not fathoming the depths of his spineless pussy ass. And what emotional problems did she unload on him? She made that shit up about her dad after the wish was made.
No matter how you look at it Bear is literally the only total asshole here even if it wasn’t his intention in the first place.

>>223170743
Then run her over.

>>223172373
a 4'11 can stab you to death just fine if you're not looking. or just blast you with a shotgun while you're sleeping and then claim "insanity"

>>223172357
Men in their teens/early 20s (who don't know better) say no because they view it as part of a weird power game and if they say yes, she wins. Instead, they conversely act like retarded simps with the cope that they're both embroiled in this delicate game of cat and mouse, oblivious to the fact she has a hundred guys hitting her up and probably got laid within the last 3 days.
Men in their late 20s and older, with experience, know that games are stupid because dating and attraction should be mutual, not a conquest. So they'll happily say yes, and if she doesn't feel the same, they'll move on.

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>>223170805
Your modern horror saviour has arrived.

>>223172407
That is why it is of utmost importance to citizens arrest her and call the cops right now while she is armed only with a brick.

>>223172326
So he’s afraid of a little girl then ok just makes him even more of a huge beta pussy. And why would he ever think she’s going to kill him? If he was that worried he should have called the cops from his friends place.

>>223172412
>men who are harder up say yes
woahahahawowowow no way thats fucking crazy!!!

>>223172407
this. other retard thinks hes an action hero

>>223172325
He listened. That's what no one did.

>>223172402
nta thats been replying to you
>casual sex is fine
it in fact is not, especially intragroup. it rots the friend group from the inside every time
>gave him the perfect opportunity and he pussied out
how do you not understand that was an obvious shit test? friendzoning her there was the only logical choice to maintain the status quo since she was leaving anyway. oneitus demands not rocking the boat as much as possible

>>223172432
that brick was more dangerous than a loaded M16.
she managed to throw it through a car window without losing hold of it, knock a woman unconscious with one blow then totally destroy her face in seconds.

>>223172461
>your crazy gf kills girl she is jealoys of in front of you
>but she wont kill me though
this is how stupid you sound

>>223172947
I thought Sarah was supposed to have been conscious the entire time and even for a short while after facial mutilation. More horrific that way

>>223172981
Yeah, guess I better take her straight to the music store so she can get a gun then. I’ll be safer that way

>>223170907
Dont practice witchcraft

>>223172461
im not on Bears side, in that i empathize or defend his personality, actions, or lackthereof. stop making this a pancake waffle thing. objectively Nikki is the villain. that doesnt make Bear a hero. thats all

>>223173017
stop. im not defending Bear. im clearly condemning Nikki

>>223172259
What did I make up retard?

Hollywood sees the success of this movie and thinks all they need for their movie to be a success too is cast this girl

>>223172841
>it rots the friend group
Only in a dynamic like this possibly, but then really only if they end up getting serious and dating. Drunk hook ups are nothing to get upset over if nobody is being cheated on. Also funnily enough, chud incels ITT keep bringing up the sex thing as a huge problem, but even Bear doesn’t really give a fuck when he finds out if I remember right he pretty much brushes it off and goes back to being a retarded pussy. As far as confessions go it is more for yourself than for the girl if she reciprocates then great, but the important thing is getting it off of your chest. I can give my sob story.
>meet girl in college that was talking to a friend of mine in a random happenstance
>talk to her a bit she’s the most beautiful woman I’ve ever seen and also cool but she was talking to my friend so don’t really push it or anything
>she ends up leaving the party but asks me for my number while I’m drunk before she leaves
>time goes on we talk more and I’m definitely in love but she gets a bf some dude I don’t know at all
>ok
>time goes on talk sometimes she moves to a different state etc
>breaks up with long time bf
>we start talking more
>realize after like a week of two hour phone calls every night I’m crazy in love with her still
>driving me nuts
>call her in the middle of the day to tell her
>she turns me down we remain friends but I stop calling her
>huge fucking weight off my chest
I wish she’d said yes, but whatever it was still nice to get it out of me and confessing it made me feel good about myself. She will forever be my oneitis but if she doesn’t feel the same it is what it is, and we still talk occasionally and I don’t have to beat around the bush or be shy about my feelings anymore it’s nice to be open.

>>223173383
They are not entirely wrong, many people probably will watch this X men movie just because she is in it

>>223173029
Cursed Nikki is the villain and she is cursed because of Bear, she is the true victim only being released from the curse at the end to see her three best friends dead surrounding her in a hell house. If you want to get technical the one wish willow creators are the villains, but everything bad that happens is objectively Bear’s fault.

>>223173467
The fuck is wrong with you?
How did you not just make a move when she asked your number?
And why are you still talking to her if you still have feelings?
If I’m into a girl, and she isn’t into me, I check straight outta there, ESPECIALLY if I still have feelings. That is the only way to cure oneitis

>>223173504
Bear didn’t kill Sarah or Ian

>>223173514
When she asked for my number my friend had been into her and I was dealing with some other girl shit that was a sticky and very weird situation. Essentially I could have pulled a Bear and taken advantage of a very vulnerable girl who was married way too young to a psycho asshole drug dealer.
I don’t talk to her that much like I said I quit calling her, she has great taste in music and film and lit so sometimes we recommend shit to each other and we were friends before anything. Plus my oneitis can’t be cured here because she is cooler than any other girl I’ve ever met and she is a 10/10 gorgeous half Korean girl with double D’s and a fat ass, perfect Kpop face with long jet black hair. Yeah good luck with that, I’m open to other girls but I won’t pretend they are better than her.

>>223173527
Yes he did, Nikki only killed them because of the obsession he forced on her without her consent and which he alone had the power to stop.

>>223173616
Bear only wished that she love him, that's it. Anything else she does, including, but not limited to
>killing people
>pissing on the floor
>using household pets as sandwich meat
>self harm
Is entirely her own responsibility. The whole "you made me do this" thing is literally domestic abuser logic.

>>223173605
>Plus my oneitis can’t be cured here because she is cooler than any other girl I’ve ever met and she is a 10/10 gorgeous half Korean girl with double D’s and a fat ass, perfect Kpop face with long jet black hair.
That is literally the oneitis talking.
I'm sure she is very cool and very hot but the whole "she's the best ever and no one else can compete" thing is a core symptom of oneitis. It happens in all cases, if you follow the treatment eventually it wears off and you can meet some other woman who becomes the new hottest and best ever then you can do it all over again.

>>223170829
She didn't want a relationship with Bear. She was on and off fucking Ian for months and knew Sarah liked Bear anyway. My bet is she would have put him down then and there and mentioned Sarah.
More women need to plainly tell men they arent interested, especially in situations like this. Someone post the webm from MitM with Lois and Craig.

>>223173791
She already mentioned Sarah and rather than encouraging Bear to go for it seemed to put Sarah down.

>>223170741
You can check my pants for bulging if you catch my drift

>>223170688
The one time a girl does exactly what you guys want, she asks a straightforward and direct question with a simple yes or no answer, she makes it so easy for Bear, and both him and you faggots still find a way to sidestep growing a pair of fucking balls and asking a girl out.

>>223170688
It's very realistic, as you can see from many of the responses in this thread. Incels will endlessly self-sabotage and still find some way to avoid taking personal responsibility. The girl you've been in love with for years is sitting in front of you telling you
>I know you like me can you please be honest for once in your life and tell me that you like me?
and these clueless cucks will be sitting there in their heads with shit like >>223171045

this is why you should never feel even the slightest scrap of sympathy for incels
they chose to be what they are
100% their own fault every single time
all their seething about women and SOCIETY is just cope to avoid admitting to themselves that they could have changed their lives at any point but they chose to be cowards instead

>>223170688
The way you respond to that is actually telling him/her if you like her.

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>>223170871
The sex scene was may more fucked up in the script. No idea why they changed it.

>>223174026
I remember being in middle school and a girl I liked asking me if I liked any of the girls in our class. I wanted to say, "I like you" but I was too shy at the age of 12 or whatever.

A lot of guys on this site have never matured past that point. It makes their behavior make a lot more sense when you realize they're just overgrown children who never mentally progressed past their early teens. They actually think that they're going to be diminished in some way if they ask a girl out and she says no.

>>223170688
You just look at her and nod, don't even have to say anything, be nonchalant as the niggers say

>>223170688
Tell her yes. >Ree what if she rejects me.
Why are people such pussies today

>>223170688
I like the actress' headcanon that she might have reciprocated Bear's feelings if he actually nutted up and admitted it. Like she could obviously tell he liked her and was rooting for him to be confident enough to be honest with her, but his lack of faith in their relationship is what put her off.

In the opening scene he's practicing confessing to her by being very honest and emotionally vulnerable, and his friend (who claims to have been fucking Nikki this whole time) sabotages him by telling him she won't go for that and that he should neg her instead.

I find it compelling that the story is really just sad once you strip all the spooky shit away.

>>223174180
Yeah. Barker basically had it where she was not interested at all in Bear and Nikki was a full on goody goody. Her being one pushed for Nikki to be more flirty is probably why foids have turned on her

>>223170712
LMAO why are you subhumans so pathetic?

>>223173720
No he wished for her to “love him more than anyone else” which obviously includes herself. She only did that stuff because she was cursed to not love herself or her friends and only love Bear as long as he existed to love. That is all his fault, but again it wasn’t on purpose he just got fucked. But part of being alive and responsibility is accepting you got fucked and if it effects other people you set it right.

>>223174233
>Barker basically had it where she was not interested at all in Bear
It's about as ambiguous in the script as it is in the movie and he's the one that made them reshoot this scene several times with Inde reacting in various different ways before he picked which one he liked best in the edit, the one he went with is the one where she was being prompted to act disappointed.

>>223174426
Okay but what does that have to do with feeding cats to people and bashing peoples brains in?
Just because Bear made her love him doesn't mean she's not responsible for everything else she does. If you love your boyfriend, more than anyone in the world, and you see him alone in a car with another woman, there are a multitude of ways you can react to that situation - Nikki chose bashing that girls brain in.

>>223170829
The way the Willow works is left intentionally vague, it could be like a Monkeys Paw or a Djinn where it is inherently evil and deliberately misconstrues any wish no matter how benign.
>Sad guy passively wishes his crush loved him more than anyone else
>Said crush is possessed by an entity while her real consciousness is trapped inside some sort of hell realm, aware of what is happening but unable to do anything about it
For all we know, the billion dollars wish could have come with some unforeseen caveat
>the money fell out of a plane that crashes into a residential area and kills thousands
>the money just blinked into existence, so Ian will be investigated by the IRS and be sent to federal prison for life on counterfeiting charges
>the influx of so much money changes his relationships with his friends and family to the point he ends up totally alone or even dead by their hands

It could also be a magical item that senses the user's intentions and perverts the wish accordingly. Maybe it peered into Bear's soul, saw that once he became aware of the possession that he'd make no effort to free the real Nikki, and decided he was not worthy.

>>223174523
It did come with an unforeseen caveat, that being the same djinn conjured by the willow to possess Nikki kills him like 10 minutes later.
The IRS would have fucked him in the ass if he survived tho.

>>223171045
The point is he had to make a choice
>Tell her the truth, pour his heart out (which is what he was going to do before his scumbag friend told him to neg her instead) and accept whatever happens
>Lie, say he only likes her as a friend, and then accept that it's over and move on (rather than mope around after passing on the opportunity he wanted)
The problem with Bear isn't that he had a crush, the problem was that he was a coward who couldn't accept the consequences of his actions. He didn't respect himself to man up and be honest, and he didn't respect her enough to let her go after telling her he just saw her as a friend.
Even in the end, he finally swallows those pills to kill himself and free her in an act of sacrifice born of true love for her and regret that things got so out of hand... and then immediately tries to induce vomiting, because he's a pussy who wants to have his cake and eat it too.

>>223171599
I saw a disgusting amount of myself (during my younger years) in him for maybe the first 20mins, but once he became a full on rapist I understood what the movie was going for and began to enjoy it more

But man that first act was like re-reading every sad diary entry from my late teens.

>>223174681
>rapist
How is it rape if she says yes?

>>223174482
>Nikki chose
Bear's wish removed her agency. She didnt choose anything after the wish.

>>223174740
Of course she does, the only thing she can't choose is to not love bear, everything is is still her prerogative. Bear did not recite the script of the movie into the willow and wish for that, he simply wished for her to love him.
If loving Bear somehow makes her piss on the floor, turn cats into sandwiches and kill people then that is her problem.

>>223171151
>she liked him
>acts disgusted when it's alluded they were together

>>223171715
The horror of the movie comes from all of the main characters being basically as shitty as any 20-something, but experiencing terrible consequences for pretty mundane shittiness
>Nikki is obviously aware that Bear is into her, but does nothing to let him down gently, is supposedly fucking his best friend on the dl the whole time
>Ian sabotages Bear, tells him to not be honest with Nikki and insult her, knows he's planning to confess and interrupts whenever they're alone, all out of a desire to keep fucking Nikki (assuming that was actually happening and he didn't just actually want a chance with her himself)
>Sarah had a crush on Bear, started making moves on him while he was "dating" Nikki, started acting catty and duplicitous once Nikki started dating Bear
All shitty behaviors, but nothing deserving getting murdered/possessed over. Bear ends up being the worst of them once all is said and done, only because he goes from being a lovelorn pussy to being a spiteful rapist over the course of the film.

>>223171893
She's very clearly possessed by an entity that can only superficially approximate "love", hence why she does things like feed him his dead cat and piss on his rug.

They also make clear that the real Nicky is in there and aware of what is happening while trapped in some kind of hell/purgatory, but can express some influence when her body is asleep or otherwise incapacitated. So that's probably the real her seeping through, horrified and upset that her friend is unwittingly raping her.

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I just don't see how you can be that close to a girl you like and never ask her out. I feel like I never get the chance to even be that close to a girl, but if I did it would be so much easier than having to close the gap with a stranger. I asked out my first girl at 34 and got rejected, but had to do it the hard way.

>>223175042
How did you manage to spend 34 years not asking girls out?

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>>223172412
>oblivious to the fact she has a hundred guys hitting her up and probably got laid within the last 3 days.
This is game changing realization for men. There's no such thing as crushing on a girl while she waits for you to ask her out, someone is fucking her already, so you need to act fast.

>>223171957
>His character reminded me a lot of Jerry from Fargo actually.
This comparison is dead-on, never thought about those two but both Bear and Jerry are the same kind of loathsome. The reason Bear is a villain isn't because he had feelings for his work wife or because he felt sad that those feelings were unrequited. He isn't bad for making a wish on a novelty item, he had no bad intentions.
He's a bad guy because after he learns his actions had horrifying consequences for someone he supposedly cared about, he kept trying to weasel out of making things right because he could get easy pussy from his oneitis. He didn't start out being a rapist, but he developed a taste for it. Even when things go way too far and he decides to sacrifice himself to set Nicky free, he immediately chickens out and tries to induce vomiting. He had every opportunity to be a hero (even without killing himself) and he didn't even try.

Seriously tho how is it rape if she says yes?

>>223170688
at this point he was never going to tell her unless she made the first step (to Bear this doesn't count since she didn't tell him she liked him). My roommate in college had a crush on the same girl for three years, after he met her he immediately signed up for her acting troupe and then spent three years watching her fall in love with other people without making a move. Then the next girl he crushed on at the job we worked, he spilled his spaghetti when we were having drinks at some bar and knocked over a beer onto her expensive camera trying to make a move, he felt so bad afterwards that he stammered out that he really liked her and of course got rejected.
He's happily married now though

>>223172110
This isn't a movie about a bitch with BPD though, it's a movie where a guy wishes on a magical stick and accidentally curses his crush to be possessed by a spooky ghoul

>>223175137
Barker says it’s not a possession movie so the only interpretation left is that she is in fact a bitch with BPD

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>>223170712
Nikki liked him. The actress is just a league above the actor that played Bear and that throws everyone off. Shit casting on the director's part. He used his dick instead of his brain. Hopefully he learns from this and grows up a little.

>>223171151
>Women don't ask if you like them because they looking to have an unnecessarily awkward conversation.
I agree with you but there's always the possibility she was trying to get it out in the open to shoot it down. I don't think this would happen though, most people actively avoid this kind of talk and for women it could even be dangerous if the guy spergs out.

>>223175106
I've always been content with being a virgin, but I REALLY liked this girl and was tired of obsessing over her. Its a great story actually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTuhi5W1mWM

>>223171129
She was not interested. Just listen to the tone she used. It was more annoyed than anything else. If a girl likes you she will make it fairly obvious

I am glad I have autism and just navigate dating with a script.
If I like a girl I ask her number, if yes then I invite her for a drink, if yes then I invite her to my place, if yes then I start touching her boobs and we have sex.

>>223173527
>Burke didn't kill the colonists on LV-426, the aliens did; Weyland Yutani isn't to blame!
>Victor didn't kill his brother or Justine, the monster did; Dr Frankenstein isn't to blame!
>Wesker didn't kill all those civilians, the T-Virus did; Umbrella isn't to blame!
You're technically correct, the best kind of correct.

>>223175249
>>Victor didn't kill his brother or Justine, the monster did; Dr Frankenstein isn't to blame!
True

>>223174482
>Okay but what does that have to do with feeding cats to people and bashing peoples brains in?
It's a horror movie where spooky things are meant to happen

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Art did not actually do anything wrong, he was simply under the weird little girls curse, if you think about it he's the real victim here.

>>223174611
That too.
Ironically the only one who gets off without the wish fucking them over is Nicky herself; her wish is what prevents Bear from saving himself, his death in turn frees her. So maybe it is an "Anubis weighs your soul against a feather" kinda thing that determines if you get weal or woe.

>>223174708
It wasn't her saying yes, she was explicitly possessed by some kind of spooky specter

>>223175346
That's still a yes tho.

>>223170712
Duh

>>223175264
>create a super-strong retard out of a dead body
>reject it for being a big scary retard that looks like a dead body
>write it off as a bad dream because the idea of hunting down the hulking retard corpse monster you reanimated might come with spooky consequences
The monster is not guiltless but it is objectively Victor's fault that his creation became a murderer

>>223170712
Holy shit the replies to this are like jews REEing when somebody says prices are too high

>>223175423
>when women do evil acts, those acts were motivated or caused by a man. The causal chain between the man and her does not matter, it might as well be magic
It literally is magic in the movie, are you slow?

>>223170997
what he said makes sense and you have no response, very telling

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>>223175398

>>223171056
nah she obviously didn’t like him

>>223175436
By that logic Ted Bundy's mom is more responsible than Ted Bundy for all the people he killed.

>>223171146
so you admit she didn’t like him…

>>223170688
movie is misandrist propaganda

>>223171151
>>223171242
Nope because if she liked him the wish wouldn’t have ended up like it did

>>223171497
Leading him on with mixed signals giving him no assurance or safety to be honest

>>223171599
being able to deduce that somebody doesn’t like you doesn’t make you socially retarded it’s the opposite

>>223171745
No she didn’t
She was fucking his friend
You have no empathy and are low iq
Please stop pretending to be an authority on this

>>223172018
You are a piece of shit person if you think ian wasn’t a piece of shit

>>223172026
you’re a spiritual jew

>>223175545
Being nice is a mixed signal? Chicks aren’t allowed to just “be nice”? Every single one of them needs to realize they might be talking to a mentally ill chud incel retard who’s mind they should be able to read?
She literally gave him the perfect opportunity to confess and he pussied out don’t be a retarded faggot.

>>223172110
Based

>>223175637
Ian is retarded like everyone else in the movie, but how is he possibly a piece of shit?

>>223172254
This

>>223172315
You have it backwards

>>223172325
Literally untrue

>>223172357
Holy shit this
>>223172412
>admits it’s a low value power game
>says men still need to concede to it
Nah shit wasn’t like this until now
It’s not natural and it’s not good for anybody

>>223170688
I am just so fucking done with this shit I cannot take this goddamn spam anymore

>>223172402
She didn’t show interest
The wish proved she didn’t like him
You are an insane entitled feminist retard

>>223173720
This

>>223173889
She didn’t do what we want
If she did he would feel safe to express himself
You are a moron or evil

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>>223175671
>but how is he possibly a piece of shit?
He was fucking Nikki and didn't tell Bear. If you have information on a girl your friend likes you tell him 100% of the time.

>>223173959
She didn’t like him, and if she did, she fucked up

>>223174026
The way she went about it makes saying that feel horrible because she wouldn’t have framed the moment like that if he meant anything to her

I thought we were ready to move on from these threads

>>223174094
You’re projecting your own failure
Most of us never had girls who liked us and if they did they never showed it which isn’t our fault

>>223170688
>I do
>In fact, I live you
>But I didn't act on it
>Because I am into anal

>>223173504
>she is the true victim
nope the dead people are
>see her three best friends dead
by her hand
>one wish willow creators are the villains
maybe but that undermines all you faggots screeching about Bears choice of wish making him the villain. either every wish goes wrong, or only the badly worded ones. And we know that Ian got his wish money no strings attached. And dont say 'Nikki killing him was his wish going wrong' - no, you already said that is the result of Bears wish (which i disagree with).
>everything is objectively Bear's fault
to us the audience outside looking in, hard maybe. I know you think that. To anyone in the movie during and after, all they see is Nikki went crazy and murdered her boyfriend and all her friends, which is 100% true.

>>223174180
>>223174233
This makes no sense and validates rape
She either liked him or not
Since she was ok with giving him an uncomfortable ultimatum and her response to the wish proves she didn’t like him

>>223174613
He has no problem
He just didn’t think she liked him, which she didn’t
Being able to read signals doesn’t make you a coward, you’re just advocating for women to never have to show unmixed signals because you’re a feminist

>>223174841
all posts like that are evil feminists who want women to never have to take accountability for anything

>>223175875
I don't think you understand how women's brains work.

>>223175154
She didn’t like him, she was fucking his fat douche friend and used him as a emotional tampon

>>223175939
If she fucks fat douches maybe she'd fuck him too

>>223175655
she didn’t like him and he did nothing wrong by intuiting this
your anger is haggling in a marketplace

>>223175933
you’re just advocating for them to get worse

>>223175933
women's brains don't work

>>223175491
I never said "more" responsible and idk all that much about Ted Bundy, but if his mom raised him to be a serial killer or maybe abused/traumatized him to the point he became a killer, or knew about his violent tendencies and did nothing, then yeah I'd say she's also partially responsible for what he got up to.

>>223175955
Makes no sense
He’s a skinny noble, which is the opposite of ian
Therefore he’s not her type and why she was comfortable leading him on and cucking him and forcing a uncomfortable ultimatum (the opposite of liking somebody)

it was a shit test

nikki friendzoned him from the start just like ian said

when he says no, nikki responds "good"

she got what she deserved leading on bear and sending the most obscene mixed signals

>>223175993
Lmao best reply possible

>>223174180
>zoomer foid headcanon is just confirmation of shit testing as what foids would do irl

>>223175973
How is that?

>>223170829
bc then it wouldn’t be a very interesting movie, would it?

>>223175997
Or possibly (likely) she's just a massive slut that would fuck anyone.

>>223176012
And feminists itt STILL attack him for trying to save his dignity in the moment
Insanely delusional entitlement
No man deserves to be forced to reject himself to women who fuck their friends and lead you on
He just needed to be around people who weren’t pieces of shit

>>223174523
>if if if if if
nigga im just gonna keep arguing based on what the movie showed us thanks

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>>223175921
Most men just kinda accept that women are not gonna be straight forward and make the effort. You're not wrong for wanting women to act like adults, but they never will. So knowing this you either play along, get lucky, or die a virgin. That little bit of effort is the difference between wondering what if, or fucking her/getting rejected and moving on. That yes is a small price to pay compared to holding on to those feelings.

>>223176053
which isn’t what bear wants
Guys like him don’t want to treat women like toilets which angers toilet women and toilet fuckers like ian because it makes them realize they have nothing else to offer

>>223176075
Nope
I’ve fucked multiple women by standing my ground and having standards and not accepting the jewish feminist structure that enables women to use men
if a woman fucks your friend and leads you on shes trash
Nikki was a piece of trash
Not all women are nikkis thank GOD

>>223176076
And that is Bear's problem.
He could have just spent 2 weeks fucking Nikki before she leaves on her vague quest to make it as a writer, and then started fucking Sarah.

>>223175893
>He just didn’t think she liked him, which she didn’t
If that was true then he wouldn't have gone to get her a little present. He clearly was hoping she'd reciprocate his feelings, if he wasn't a gay little pussy with a bad male support system she may very well could have.

If you like a girl you either make a move or don't, but you own it either way. "Oooh I like her but I won't act on it but I'll still be sad about it oooohhh" is a pussy stance that no one (man or woman) should respect.

>>223170712
Most cucked & brainwormed replies award goes to everybody who just couldn’t help themselves but to go apoplectic to someone clearly pointing out she was baiting him to confess so she could let him down. Nikki was laying a trap

>>223176031
giving them permission to use vagueness to increase their optionality at the expense of legitimate connection
The main reason why women attack men in these threads by proxy by calling bear a “pussy” is because wanting women to give clear signals gives them less options sexually
If you care more about options and casting a wide net than you do about me guess what, I don’t want you and neither should anybody else

>>223176108
Having standards and preferences isn’t a problem
His problem is liking the wrong girl
She didn’t deserve him

>>223176112
>girls who like you don’t have to show it or say it, and no girl ever has (I’m lying)
Nah that’s cancer and so are you, see>>223176124

>>223176143
It is a problem
For himself
As that is what set him up for the misery he goes through in this movie, and had been going through since before it started.

>>223171045
You could always kill yourself… I’m just spitballin’ here…

>>223175423
1000X THIS
they will continue to deny this truth however, because of the same retarded logic that led them to their retarded conclusions in the first place

>>223176099
>I’ve fucked multiple women by standing my ground and having standards and not accepting the jewish feminist structure that enables women to use men
That's great for you, but Bear is a different story. Being honest was the better outcome for him.

>>223176122
It’s because of this >>223176124
All obsession threads are sexual marketplace haggling
Women’s position is they never have to admit anything so that they can get as many cucks and chads as possible (which is bad)

>>223176124
Nikki literally gave him an ultimatum to shoot his shot, as everyone is pointing out the only correct response, for good or ill, was to shoot his shot. How is that letting them use vagueness? It's literally forcing a binary resolution.

>>223175958
>she didn’t like him
Source?

>>223176183
He was as honest as she was
He didn’t like her in that moment so he’s validated in saying no
She didn’t think he deserved reciprocating and therefore he did nothing wrong by acting in kind

>>223176164
it’s not a problem unless you think magical fictional plot devices make a bearing on real life dating dynamics (they don’t lol)

>>223176189
She was fucking his friend and led him on
Why would he feel comfortable to “shoot his shot” which is feminist terminology
She didn’t deserve a clear answer because she never gave clear signals
If she liked him she could have said so
It goes both ways
You attacking him is feminist marketplace haggling

>>223170688
"I like trains"

>>223176229
It is tho, as he was already suffering before any magic even happened or the movie even begins.
Bear was essentially pedestalising a massive slut, and treating her like she was not a massive slut, for years. If he instead, tried to have sex with her, he would have quickly found out what a slut she was and dispelled this delusion.

>>223176193
She was fucking his friend and was ok with a uncomfortable ultimatum where she couldn’t deduce that he was not feeling safe to be honest
You are a woman

>>223176189
>How is that letting them use vagueness?
She's sidestepping the risk of being rejected or being vulnerable and leaving it to him. I've seen girls talk about this and its not shyness that keeps them from asking guys out, they really just have an ego about being the first to confess. Its validation for them to be asked out first.

>>223176245
How does Bear help himself by denying himself the clear answer that he actually wants?
>but what if he gets rejected tho
That's just life.

>>223176257
She had no interest in fucking him hence why she fucked ian

>>223175457
theres nothing that Nikki did after Bear's wish that couldnt be explained by not taking her pills (inb4 Nikkis voice on the phone with customer service 'in hell', thats is explained just as easily by oxy withdrawal and immense stress from his bpdemon gf). Not until Ians wish happens are we certain the characters experienced magic. And NO, Ian's punishment isnt Nikki killing him. Those are two separate unrelated wishes. That would be retarded.
BPDemon does her usual, ruins her life and everyones around hers, in this case ending them, and then BLAMES ANYONE BUT HERSELF (unless shes talking to herself in her final line, which i think is the director winking at the audience that she, nor any woman, will ever take accountability for their horrible actions)

>>223176280
He didn’t deny what he wanted
No guy wants to be treated the way she treated him
This is like watching a woman get raped and say she should have appreciated the free sex
Post hoc victim blaming

>>223176279
Yes
And the only way to pierce through the vagueness is to give a real answer.

>>223176292
If she'd fuck that guy she'd fuck anyone

>>223176339
except she didn’t fuck him
She played with him and ended up cursed because of it
This movie exposes female entitlement
If she liked him she should have done something about it
Instead she used a power move and turned him off which resulted in death and rape and suicide
People saying that’s the right thing to do are exposing their insane ignorance and stupidity and toxicity

>>223176318
He literally did tho, the opening scene of the movie is him rehearsing how to tell Nikki he likes her, when Nikki asks him straight up he bottles and says no. Bear failed himself.

>>223176361
I'm talking about Ian and how her clearly non-existent standards mean Bear probably could have hit it too.

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>>223176319
I agree. I'm just explaining how girls think. Its far better to just be upfront than to walk around infatuated for months and years.

>>223176366
because he didn’t think it was gonna be such a ugly moment with no desire or honesty in it
He didn’t want what she did and that’s fine
No guy would say yes in that moment if they actually like her
Stop marketplace haggling
If she liked him she should have said so
Any girl irl would know he liked her
She was using a power move and he felt it, hence his no

>>223176392
Women have never been harder to be upfront with so I get it
They refuse to be honest because it reduces their optionality and gluttony in the marketplace

>>223176385
There are lots of girls in your life who have fucked uglier guys then Ian but won't fuck you.

>>223176421
That's life, stuff rarely happens in the optimal way. Even if he was going to get a flat no the best thing he could do for himself is still just say yeah, he likes her. Then he can start getting over it with the Asian girls pussy.

>"yea but i know you're not interested so its whatever"

>>223176385
If she had no standards she would have fucked bear, she didn’t
>>223176458
girls don’t want to fuck guys who like them, it gives them the ick
They want to be used like toilets because it’s all they know they are good for
Guys like bear scare girls because he triggers cognitive dissonance in toilet girls because they can’t match what the noble guy thinks of them
So they resent good guys and give everything to toilet fillers like ian

>>223176458
That wouldn't stop me from trying.

>>223176476
Nah some girls actually are willing to drop the vagueness act because they actually like the guy
pretending she wasn’t a power addicted thot proves feminists in response to this
Nobody should encourage or abide how her character acted in this movie unless they want western civilization to keep dying faster

>>223176099
>Not all women are nikkis thank GOD
based on womens overwhelmimg response to the movie, i wouldnt be so sure. ive yet to hear one woman anywhere disagree with the 'Bear is a rapist' conclusion

>>223176490
Nah in that car ride she was obviously testing if Bear could be her new fuck buddy for two weeks before she leaves town now that she broke it off with Ian.

>>223176502
Poor simp

>>223176538
>if you try to fuck women you are a simp
Homosexual or volcel?

>>223176516
not all women sacrifice love for hoeflation optionality through trained opaqueness
Most yes nowadays are gluttonous greedy and refuse to give clear signals because of this but that just filters out toilet women who care more about having an open roster than good women who actually want a man to love and be with

>>223176525
>she’s a piece of shit
>this is a good thing
Nah
Bear didn’t want to be just another guy shitting in a toilet
And toilets don’t get to choose unless they submit

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>>223176490
>girls don’t want to fuck guys who like them, it gives them the ick
This exactly what some guys told me after seeing me get rejected. Can any normies confirm this?

>>223176598
What does her being a good person have to do with it?
I’m just saying Bear probably could have fucked her

>>223176600
Normies will just make up any excuse for women to be shitty
They do it in this thread
Normies have no game or morals or standards or ethics so they think it’s ok to enable women because they save a potential spot in line for the portopotty
Modern women who are like nikki will always choose keeping options open vs giving clear signals because it’s scary to commit when you have nothing to offer

>>223176616
he didn’t want to just fuck her
Guys like bear don’t want to use women like toilets like fat wannabes like ian
guys like us have ideals which is why we are in pain and why soulless pigs like ians get all the toilet pussy

>>223176600
Yes
Women hate it when you know they like them. If they’re never sure you even care and you’re not just using them for sex that drives them crazy and makes them fall in love.
I have no idea how people back in ancient boomer times were able to get married when that requires removing any doubt about your intentions

>>223176647
Yes. That is exactly why you are in pain and why Bear suffers in the movie. That’s literally my entire point

>>223176670
Because women weren’t spoiled to death with over abundance of options back then
They had to actually be human and realistic and appreciate what’s around them
Modern women hate the idea of giving clear signals because it reduces the amount of candy in the candy store
Hence why all girls are in open relationships now and why cucking is mainstream

>>223176684
yes you suffer when you have ideals in a shit world
And the problem with this movie and the response is that people have to pretend bear is in the wrong for not shutting up and getting in line for the porto potty
It’s basically saying you deserve to die if you want women to be human
Which is bad and wrong
Our pain is proof of being right

The ultimate lesson this movie needs to teach men and women is
>a girl who cares more about keeping her options open than being honest with you isn’t worth being honest with

>>223170709
that just validates that she has all the power which means this is all about power and not actually liking each other

>>223176824
>that just validates that she has all the power
She did. He hid the body of a friend for her.

>>223176860
if women have the power it’s bad

>>223170712
This. If she wants honesty, she should begin herself.