You can just tell on a rewatch that they expected the actor to actually grow up to be a normal sized man. He is getting into fights, is on the football team, has anger issues and is confrontational. His character was literally something the actor was supposed to grow into once he hit his fat kid in high-school growth spurt, but he never did, and they had to re-write his arc into a depressed "I hate my son" sack of shit.
>>223204367what's your Vito Jr. theory?
he's literally me
>>223204367>this child actor will grow into a normal adult sized humanis David Chase really that dumb?
>>223204385Tony and Phil had gotten through to him. Hes not wearing makeup, or half washed makeup, in that scene but was still getting bullied so he tried something innovative>altenate theoryThe makeup artist/wardrobe didnt bother gothing him up for a 10 second shower scene
>>223204367If that's the case, why not recast AJ?>b-butNo, it wouldn't be any dumber than Gannascoli and Grimaldi portraying two characters each
>>223204367>>223204417This is part of my theory on why there is a lack of big tits in Hollywood. Most actresses get their start young. When you're a young actress you get roles when you look younger than you are. The kinds of teenage girls who look like preteen girls obviously don't have big chests. Ergo, the adult actress pool in Hollywood is skewed towards smaller chests. Picrel is an exception.
>>223204417Son from Mrs Doubtfire filled out pretty well.
>>223204367That hairstyle reveals everything about this whiny incompetent fag
>>223204367rober iler did grow up to be a normal sized man, what do you mean?
>>223204367he has a panic attack playing football. just kind of a retarded take. even gandolfinis real son isn't some big guy for you
>>223204508Carmella cut his hair with a mixing bowl
>>223204517Internet says hes 5'5. Hes practically a midge. OP is onto something.
>>223204558huh, you're right. google lied to me at first and said 5'10 instead
>>223204448>he tried something innovatived-did it work?
>>223204367AJ was such a disappointment. It was hard to watch some of the scenes between AJ and Tony when it was obvious that AJ would never amount to shit compared to Tony.
>>223204367>My dad's a hero
>>223204367Sure, but I doubt they were planning a "chad AJ joins the mob" arc>they had to re-write his arc into a depressed "I hate my son" sack of shit.Obviously not, Tony would hate his son no matter what
>>223205107I agree with you on the Chad arc but I'm just saying, run that scene of Tony cradling his suicidal baby son with a version of AJ that is eye level with Tony. It's just not happening. That entire arc was them leaning into the fact the actors plates fused at 13.
>>223204367>>223204858But that's what made AJ steal the show. To this day it remains one of the most accurate depictions of a suburban "white" millennial's childhood thru adulthood. One long humiliations ritual that seemingly everyone, even a mob boss father, is powerless to stop
>>22320516813 year old AJ was already being a mopey fag
>>223204367Why do fathers hate their sons?
>>223204858I think most 4chin users get upset at this story arc because it hits too close to home regarding their relationships with their own fathers. I for one hate AJ more than anything because he's soft, he's weak, he's out of control, and he's an embarrassment to everyone around him.
>>223204508it makes him look like a literal dickhead
>>223204858>>223205187>>223205280Nobody really talks about it but dad's in the 2000s were total pricks mostly. The same boomers today who will randomly attack zoomers for swimming in a creek past 5PM or something back then were in a constant seething rage around young men for no reason. It was way easier to deal with people's mothers when we got in trouble back then. There is something about young men that tail end baby boomers especially fucking despise.
>>223205327Because they were a bunch of fucking retards listening to Slipknot and The Strokes and watching Jackass. Boomers just knew shit was getting worse.
>>223205327And now young zoomer men are literally nazi incels. Maybe the boomers were on to something? Idk, maybe if they were all beaten as kids instead of being ignored 90% of the time by their deadbeat gen x fathers they would've turned out better.
>>223205327This is what makes Tony such a perfect character. No other show really portrayed that middle aged boomer switch-flip into girldadism and open hostility to young men that happened in the 2000s.
>>223205419Still a better dad than 99% of actual boomers. Imagine a real boomer dealing with the suicide attempt or the heart to heart he has with AJ even if fake
>>223204367It's funny how he just looks like a generic white guy by the end. Like he's not even Italian looking at all.
>>223204643They never bothered him again.
>>223205496Is he still in that boot camp in the Idaho wilderness?
>>223204467>Ariel_Moggs_Sofiain what world is this bland snowbunny mogging?
>had anger issuesDid he? He got in one fight in high school.
>>223204858>the banepost edit more common than the real screencap
>>223205376>generation-brained cretincount how many times a day you write and think about these marketing cohorts.might as well be obsessing over horoscopes.
>>223205517Hes a councelor now
>>223204367>>223204385They should've recast him. They had no problems with recasting other characters.
>>223204367he turned out to be a more complex and realistic character than whatever Jackie Jr knockoff they had in mind
AJ is the odd one out, he's the only one in the family with a moral center. Despie his low intelligence and lack of drive he fundamentally understands right from wrong and therefore he is diferent from his family and an outcast. He's not a whiny murderer like Tony, not a grifter like Meadow or a soulless materialistic striver like Carmella. The fact that even physically he fails to be what Tony wants him to be just adds to that. But I guess the Scarface audience wanted a "AJ becomes BADASS TONY JR and kicks ASS arc.
>>223205607>They had no problems with recasting other characters.name 2 characters they recast
>>223205646Father Phil and Barbara
>>223205168>run that scene of Tony cradling his suicidal baby son with a version of AJ that is eye level with Tonywtf does this mean they wouldnt make the character suicidal if he was tall ?
>>223205624Yeah, it works pretty well. In the show, you can see AJ turn around on the food thing when Tony called him fat.
>>223204858>never amount to shit compared to TonyDavid Chase's approach was "he's better than Tony, he's not a fat, abusive, sociopathic, murdering, betraying, adulterous piece of shit". It was his way of saying that even society's losers or burnouts like AJ are still better people than Tony. The only difference is that Tony made a lot of money doing bad things whereas AJ, despite his obvious faults, is broke. Though at the end of the show he's clearly past his bottom and shows promise to improving his lot in life.
>>223205681Both AJ and Jackie Jr are to an extent good parallels of the College or Bust push in the 80 and 90s. Neither are college material, but it's what the parents kept pushing on them instead of helping them do things they might actually be good or interested in.
>>223204460There's a pretty big difference between a character who shows up in every episode and a guy who made a walk on cameo and a guy they wrote as having an identical twin. Its also not like Bobby's kids where you hardly see them, so it won't really get noticed when they recast his daughter as a fatter girl
>>223204508That would've been a pretty normal haircut for a kid his age to have in the late 90s. Yes it looks stupid, but contextually it just made him look like any other American middle schooler
>>223204467Sofia is based, Ariel is just a mentally ill thot from a fucked up family
>>223205419This. No one ever talks about that. The hyper focusing on daughters and not really caring about sons as boomers did. Boomers pushed everything onto their daughters from sports to education, and mostly ignored their sons for a couple reasons. One, because boomers still think the path to success is "get a job and follow the law", and two because their identity revolves around being the "greatest generation to ever live", being completely oblivious to the fact that they were simply handed a world so foolproof that even the most retarded of them would be a massive success compared to generations before and after them. So they need to ensure their sons don't eclipse them and they can die knowing that no one was better than them. They're the sons of the heroes of WW2, the generation that saved the world from evil.
>>223205715>college or bustYep, as a suburban NJ raised millenial this hit home. My parents were much better than Tony and Carm but they are white ethnics from working class backgrounds who never went to college so it had a somewhat "mystical" appeal. They are now much wiser tho
>>223204858that was the point, AJ was a human being who, when exposed to the lifestyle of a career criminal, was repulsed by it. Even when AJ tries to be a gangster, he's incapable of it. Because he has some basic decency and idea of justice, he's unsuited for mafia life, but because neither of his parents take any interest in him, he doesn't really know what he should do with himself. What that leaves is a useless guy with inherited mental illness that goes back and forth between being too depressed to move and chasing pussy
>>223205681>thisit's almost like AJ is (especially at the end of the show) a stand in for David Chase himself. Struggles with direction and meaning in life, works multiple meaningless dead end jobs, ends the story in a nice car working as a movie production assistant (coincidentally the same field Chase himself works in). AJ was never meant to be a badass, he was meant to be a reflection of Chase's own struggles much like Tony was.
>>223205631That's what makes AJ so interesting. He, for being at worst an entitled loser, is constantly seen as more pathetic and worse off than Tony, who is a literal murderer, Carmella, who is a gold digging mob wife that doesn't care if her husband cheats on her as long as she gets a new car, or Meadow, who comes full circle to just being, at best, another scumbag lawyer defending criminals and corrupt pieces of shit. It was just Chase's way of showing how we view those that make money or are "successful" as better people. Tony is a loser. Carmella is a loser. Meadow is a loser. But because they're making or going to make money, we act like they're not.
>>223205107>chad AJhe has a panic attack and passes out during a football game, they demonstrated early on AJ, like Tony, buckles under pressure
>>223204508you're on 4chan talking about an actor's hairdo HAHAHA FAG
>>223205797He ends the series as little carmines development executive... aka a DGirl
>>223205747>Saved the world from evilGuess that didn't work
>>223204467picrel got persuaded by sofia to cut said tits off
>>223205831least he wasn't a troon like you
>>223205845If you ask them, the ancestor worship regarding WW2 is as cut and dry as a Saturday morning cartoon. The evil madman tried to take over the world and kill us all, and the forces of good banded together to stop him, ensuring peace and prosperity forever.It's this mythos surrounding WW2 that drives boomers' egos. They are the sons of the superheroes that saved the entire planet.
>>223205327Yeah boomers were really angry and butthurt during the 00s for some reason, these days they're just senile and dying like flies
>>223205376>young zoomer men are literally nazi incelsthats the fault of zoomer women being brainwashed by feminist propaganda though
>>223205831Which is a much more stable and lucrative career path for him than becoming a soldier for Tony's crew, which had totally fallen apart by that point due to Tony's mismanagement
>>223205927>girls don't like me so I have to act like a little nazi faggot onlinekeep telling yourself that
>>223205107That's one of the things that always confused me about the show. It's clear Tony was upset that his son didn't turn out tough enough. That he didn't turn out like him but he actively kept his son away from the business that might have actually made him tough. Maybe that's the point? That he's a big old hypocrite wanting his son to stay away from the mob like and then getting upset that he's doing normal things like watching internet videos. He babied him too long instead of giving him the chance to sink or swim.
>>223205921Boomers grew older and didn't get the Elder Worship that their fathers got, so they took it out on their children. As if they're ungrateful for not thanking them for the world they created for their offspring. The salient difference being boomers were handed the greatest economy and society known to man, fumbled it, and then passed a dogshit world onto their progeny. They forgot that if you want to be respected, you need to do things that are respectable. Boomers simply existed in great times and thought it was because they were so much better than everyone.
>>223205947we dont have to but we might as well, maybe it will lead to something good in a decade or so
>>223205951Tony hates AJ because without the mafia in and around his life, he'd be just like AJ. AJ can't cut it in the mob, and he's barely cutting it on his own. Tony would be a washout too if it weren't for the mafia giving him a life he'd never be able to get on his own.
>>223204367Wonder if Robert ever got a sympathy tug from Jamie-Lynn.
>>223205951Tony didn't want his son to be a murderer but at the same time he didn't want AJ to be a giant pussy which is what he mostly is
>>223205966>2 more weeksget a fucking job
>>223206035yeah ill get one once i finish getting my engineering degree in a year. i said a decade, not 2 weeks. obviously societal changes take a long time. but what do you want us to do? just lay down and accept whats happening? no, we need to at least try to pull it into the other direction
>>223205655Father Phil in the pilot appears in the background of one scene and is played by the same actor for the rest of the show. Barbara is similarly a background character and never has scenes of her own, she's only present during family meetings. Those are entirely different circumstances than recasting a main character >>223205674AJ absolutely would have had a different arc if Robert Iller grew up to be tall and handsome instead of a babyfaced chud
>>223205951>He babied him too long instead of giving him the chance to sink or swim.AJ would sink on his own, his suicide attempt confirms it kekThe problem Tony and Carmella made with AJ is the same many, many boomer parents made with their sons: they never bothered to teach him any useful skills or life lessons and focused their attention on their daughter
>>223205958>Boomers grew older and didn't get the Elder Worship that their fathers gotA bunch of things just clicked for me.
>>223206194>AJ would sink on his ownDepends when you want to start. Ultimately he ended up how they made him: No skills and little self esteem. He knew his parents didn't think much of him, which is why his attitudes were much better when with someone (Devon or Blanca or Rhiannon).
>>223204417What's dumb about that?
>>223206194Anon, it's not your parents fault youre a loser and your sister isnt
>>223205927Thats the price of freedom.
>>223204858Tony amounted to getting shot in the back of his head in front of his family
>>223206350It literally is his parents fault who do you think raised him for at least 18 years. Sorry that you have been brainwashed by your parents to think that you are the problem but you were just a child and dependent on them for survival and there is nothing you can do about it now other than pick up the pieces of your life and stop perpetuating the cycle of abuse in other places
Meadow growing up to be a mob lawyer is just perfect. I hate her so much.
>>223207164Grow a pair of balls and accept responsibility for yourself you faggot
>>223207228I'm sorry your parents talked to you like that
>>223206350But Meadow is a loser. She's marrying a mob son. She's defending criminals she knows are criminals. She's justifying all of the atrocities her father committed, because it allowed her this life. She is a fucking loser, and making money or a piece of paper doesn't make that not true.AJ is a loser, and is still at worst getting an opportunity through his father's connections, but at least the show ends with him being the only one not directly continuing the mob life.
>>223207308Fuck, to even add into this now that I think about it, Tony ended the show disappointed in Meadow. He really wanted her to be a doctor because then he can feel at least his horrible life led to something good in the world. Instead he just has a washout son and a daughter wasting her mind to enable the life he wanted her removed from.
>>223204367>>223204417Isnt there also a scene where he shits in the shower or something? he was always a loser
>>223207134Which was more than AJ would ever do.
>>223207336Funny
>>223207336It really is a pessimistic lesson by Chase that people will think someone is better just because they have money. Ends justify the means. AJ may be a burnout pussy, but it's better than being a sociopathic, murdering, career criminal. The fucking things we become for money.
He should have went to military school, if only to get away from Tony
>>223205825bodied that finook
>>223207379The worst lesson is in exposing how many people start projecting their own self-hatred on AJ. He is a son of a literal sociopathic mob boss and is being sabotaged left and right with no clear healthy parental guidance in sight. And yet he gets all the hate from people who probably got abused in the same way and who internalized the abuse. It's unironically extremely sad
>>223205280>Why do fathers hate their sons?Because some of you faggots are more like your mothers than your fathers.
>>223206194Boomers thought that sons didn't need any help, as if knowledge would just drop from the sky like manna, and they still hold fast to the belief that women are terribly oppressed and have absolutely no options, even to this day. It's always funny to watch boomers shit on their own offspring for being incapable, not realizing the irony that the parents are supposed to be the ones to give them the skills and confidence to go out on their own.
>>223207380He couldn't even do that without passing out from anxiety. He was literally a worthless piece of shit.
>>223207480you were abused we get it now shut it faggot
>>223207488>>223207489
>>223207488His father's sins. 10 years away & very might have piloted an Apache
>>223204367maybe if tony was fit or had skills outside the mob he could have taught aj some thingsi do think he was supposed to be a criminal but never all-in, like meadow.
>>223207444It's simply because there is no room for empathy for men. By the time the show ends AJ is what, 20? 21? So he's had 2-3 years of being an adult after almost 2 decades of being raised by a piece of shit father and a gold digging mother, and people are shitting on him for his "failure to launch". Two things can be true at the same time. As an adult you can be responsible for your actions, as AJ is, and you can have a shred of sympathy for someone raised in a dogshit environment not just instantaneously "manning up" and solving life entirely.
>>223207328I don't think he ended up disappointed in Meadow. He just saw his influence coming to light. You can see it crash on him when she recites the bullshit about him being persecuted. The whole final episode is him being forced to look at how toxic he (and Janice) are.
>>223207559Free will is an illusion. "Taking Responsibility" is a spook. We all do what we can. Some can "take responsibility" others never will. The sooner people realize that the sooner we can start treating people rationally and not like they are not bound by the laws of nature.
>>223207559He was raised in an environment where his sister went to an Ivy, AJ was just a fat useless loser
>>223205631Carm had soul
>>223207608if you think meadow and aj were raised the same you're a moron
>>223207622No, you're just a loser projecting your defense mechanism on to AJ
>>223207608Your standards of good parenting are crooked. Going to an Ivy was possible because she was born smart and they had mob money and connections. It's ironic that you would fault someone for not being born smarter...
>>223207638u r projecting
>>223207331You're thinking of Vito's son and he does it because he's too disillusioned with his life to care about anything anymore. Everyone in his community knows his dad was a mobster and gay. He's already going to be a miserable outcast, may as well give them all more reasons to treat him that way
>>223207596I suppose he's not disappointed in Meadow, moreso disappointed in himself for influencing her so negatively. He sees that she was bright and had lofty dreams, and instead of making the world a better place she ended up getting into a position to make the world an objectively worse place. She is using her mind, time, and energy to defend people that she knows are guilty. She does that because she can't come to terms with the fact that her father is a murdering, violent criminal and her entire life is propped up with blood money.That one scene with the jew therapist ripping into Carmella can be extended to Meadow. Meadow shapes her life on the back of blood money and now has to justify it, because if she doesn't then she has to give it all away and remove herself from it entirely.
>>223207640They didn't have any connections, did you watch the show?
>>223205280Projection. We hate in others what we see in ourselves. There is also image restoration involved. If the father puts the son down in the company of others, it is him showing that he does not approve and that he does not carry himself in that way. He is subconsciously protecting his spot on the unspoken social hierarchy by throwing his own kin under the bus.
>>223207608Meadow is a loser. She's using her Ivy education to make the world a worse place because it pays well. AJ is literally the best person of the 4 of them, and he's a burnout loser himself. At least he isn't actively making the world worse off.
>>223207597>you can't just "take responsibility"take your NEET pride bullshit to /r9k/
>>223207331no that wasnt aj that was the gay mobster's son that got bulliedthose faggots in the mob should have beat the bullies up IMOinstead they abandoned the family like so many fredos
>>223207670i remember one scene where the wife blackmails or bribes some other woman but honestly i don't remember.either way getting into an ivy league when you are smart and born into a rich family is not the kind of parental success that you think it is
>>223204367season 1-2 AJ looks like he could be gandolfini's son, it's funny that he grew up to be a shorter guy. tony even brings up AJ being from carmela's side, "little people". the sacred and the propane
>>223207696show me the free will that is not bound by physics and i will. oh wait you haven't even thought about it before? yeah figures i guess it's true because it feels good right
>>223207683>She's using her Ivy education to make the world a worse place because it pays wellBy that measure almost every congress member, senator, governor and member of the executive branch is a loser
>>223207723Yeah. Money does not make you a winner.
>>223207704>i remember one scene where the wife blackmails or bribes some other woman but honestly i don't rememberThat's not what a connection is, and it didn't work anyway
>>223207723maybe. but if you assume money and power is all that matters in life then i guess you are right
>>223207740doesn't matter
>>223207741Nobody said it's all that matters but to say it makes you a loser is just either very naive or cope
>>223207750Yeah what you said doesn't matter because it's not a connection, which they didn't have, Meadow got to Columbia on her own merit, she didn't have any family back channels, meanwhile AJ could barely hold a job at Blockbuster
>>223207759you know fair enough. powerful people who make the world worse are not losers. not saying they are winners but it would be wrong to call them losers. i'm some other anon btw
Tony himself wasn't that tall so much as fat
>>223207759If you actively make the world a worse place for more pieces of paper than someone else, you're a fucking loser.>I sold my soul for money! But I have more than you! I won!!!Fucking scumbag.
>>223205316Yeah everyone in this thread is missing the point. AJ is a loser because his dad is a sack of shit mob boss. If you think Tony had a bitchin life, and AJ should have tried to be more like Ton'... you are extremly retarded, or mildly albanian
>>223207778must suck being born dumb. i would expect you to have some sympathy though
>>223207670Carm's "connection" was intimidating a woman who had some pull into writing Meadow a recommendation letter. As in all things, their connections are just using Tony's dirty money or the implied threat of Tony and his goons
>>223207723They're worse than losers lol
>>223207657Pretty much, yeah. You can go back to S1 and really tell the difference. Meadow herself even talks about how shitty and fake people are, even commenting an her friend's dad being a lawyer for big tobacco. The whole arc turns on Jackie. She knows Tony was involved in his death. She either had to deal with that or turn on the denial switch like Carm. She chose the latter.
i dream of jeanne cusomano's recommendation letter
>>223207717>I can't even leap into the air and break through the boundary of the heavens, and you expect me to apply for jobs? get real
>>223207825yeah newton is interesting but have you heard about biology? really cool stuff! and it's all connected through chemistry! you should really look into it!
>>223207791To Georgetown, which Meadow didn't go to, and Joan didn't write it either btw
>>223204367Being significantly smaller than your dad will make you an unconfident losert. 5'9" and dad 6'1"
>>223207780He was reasonably tall and powerfully built even before the later seasons when he got fatter. Add in Tony's menacing aura and immediate reflex to use violence and yes, he's scary as hell to 95% of the population
>>223207859Did she apply for a scholarship or did they pay the attendance fee from their own money?
>>223207886You're trying too hard anon, paying tuition is irrelevant to the merit of getting accepted by an Ivy
>>223207704It's true that joan was knocked the fuck out by meadow's teachers recommendations but that was for georgetown not columbia
>>223207886Own money, I guess. No scholarship was ever mentioned.
>>223204858Tony hates AJ because he sees himself in him and, to make things worse, the latter has zero interest in being a piece of shit lowlife like his dad
>>223207900Just saying it's another hurdle that has been cleared. Either way as another anon pointed out she got a different kind of parenting than AJ. It's literally the scapegoat and golden child constellation in narcissistic family system. I think it's sad that people actually fall for the narrative and start blaming the victims instead of the abusers
>>223207697
>>223207922>sees himselfFor all Tony's faults, he never lacked ambition, which is ultimately AJ's problem.
>>223207974Good Morning Sir
>>223207697You ever notice Irina and Meadow look a lot alike? Coincidence?
>>223207873>>223207780tony was taller and bigger than a lot of the people he was dealing with (other italians), which was all that mattered. he also had fat strength
>>223208011I got a bunch of stuff from r/circlejerksopranos before it got banned.
>>223208016what did anon mean by this
>>223207991Tony doesn't have ambition either, which is why instead of learning a trade or finishing school, he's a leech who sits around all day collection money and occasionally getting up off his fat ass to beat or kill someone, screaming and crying the whole time about how no one appreciates how hard he works
>>223208031>outing oneself as a redditor my estimation of you as man has plummeted, anon
>>223208055Anon, he was made capo and boss at a very young age, along with being a pretty good earner. His ambition was in the criminal world, but he still had it.
>>223208071I went for the NSFW subreddits, and stayed for the shitposting subreddits. Both are not as good as they used to be.
>>223208071I go to reddit for picture subs. Mainly show-oriented pictures and gymnastbabes.
>>223207697boobas
>>223205327Boomers just have the psycho gene. Same reason they're so selfish.The older you get, the the more you realise how weird and fucked up they were, and you don't just turn out like that when you grow up.
>>223205646>name 2 characters they recastthe doctor friend from the poker games
>>223208185>gymnastbabesr/ohympics got banned, and I'm still pissed about it.
>>223207923No she didn't, AJ was just a lazy loser and Meadow studied, AJs failures are of his own making, basically all of season 4 and 5 of AJs screen time are about him refusing to study or getting shitty grades
>>223207608>his sister went to an IvyAfter her mother threatened someone to get her in
>>223208341Watch the show moron
I guess there must be a lot of worthless shitheads in this thread for so many of you to identify with AJ. He really is the zoomer template for that generation.
>>223208335If you really think Tony and Carmella treated AJ and Meadow exactly the same, you're retarded and didn't watch the show. Point blank Meadow is smarter than AJ, but AJ had absolutely no direction in life, was never pushed to be anything more than what he was. He was largely ignored by Tony and Carmella. Jesus Christ when AJ fucked up they tried to get him into military school, just so they could get rid of him. That was their solution, make him someone else's problem and just hope it works out.
>>223208384AJ is literally the best of the 4 to identify with. You are a good person if you identify with AJ moreso than any of the other 3 Sopranos.
>>223208409>was never pushed to be anything more than what he wasRight, confirmed you didn't watch the show
>>223208422>no argument I accept your concession.
>>223208446See>>223208335And also you thinking Joan's letter to Georgetown getting her in to ColumbiaYou're just a moron, projecting your own cope about your parents on to AJ who you identify with as a fellow loser
>>223204367I just watched the first season for the first time and the kid is a sperg from the start, in the episode where he gets tested for ADD they basically out and out say well at least meadow turned out alright.
>>223208335AJ was depicted as studying in S2. Him studying DNA is what led to Livia finding out about the DNR. He was discussing philosophy in Dgirl and FLJ.It's only after Tony's rant about him while Chris was in the hospital that he turns off.
AJ is kind of a child version of Artie>both exist in Tony's periphery>constantly mogged by him>everyone thinks they're a cuck>actually decent people despite it all>get the hottest sopranosfu
>>223205548the same world where your skin is the colour of poo and you have a sub 100 iq?
>>223204385What’s the context here?
>>223208480You just reveal your own ignorance
>>223208480>And also you thinking Joan's letter to Georgetown getting her in to ColumbiaWrong anon, I never claimed that.Also we're sitting here blaming a high schooler for not figuring out his entire life yet. I'm not saying he is faultless, but the idea that he had absolutely nothing going against him and is simply a genetically inferior being is just the cope of an abuse victim. He grew up in a shit environment and now he is an adult, he has to figure out his entire life on his own. Sucks, but that's life. Two things can be true. You can grow up with parents that suck that make life later on down the road harder, and you can acknowledge that as an adult it's now completely up to you to figure out life.Tony and Carmella actually invested in Meadow and gave a fuck about her, AJ was never going to be an Ivy Leaguer but he they never gave enough of a fuck to find out what he could be. They were "college or bust" parents because boomers project their regrets over not going to college onto their children, and instilled in the generations after them that you NEED to go to college to "make something" of yourself. Once they realized AJ wasn't a genius, they just gave up entirely on him.
whole show is about evil passing shit onto the next generation and making them retarded and gay, making it extremely clear. so don't be like a faggot dad or else you'll get a faggot son like aj, it's not that hard
>>223205747>the heroes of WW2, the generation that saved the world from evil.lol oh sure they did. what we have now is DEFINITELY not evil at all and there are no jews involved either
>>223208666>checked satanThe anon is obviously talking about how they regard themselves, not the actuality.
>>223208662But Tony didn't pass his evil onto AJ. Tony didn't really pass anything onto him, which I suppose is better because all Tony would do is make AJ a worse person as he did with Meadow. AJ is one big nothing, which is an improvement off being like Tony or Carmella, who are both horrible people.
>>223208644This just isn't true at all,b they are constantly talking about AJs school work,hire tutors, Carm is on school committees, Carm bangs Wegler to get him to change a grade, Tony buys the drums when extra curriculars are made known to be important to him and supports him in football, you're just making shit up
>>223208754>hire tutors To offload the problem on someone else and make it look like they're doing something.>Carm on school committees Because she's bored and wants to keep up appearances.>fucks to change a gradeThat's more for her than AJ. She wanted to fuck that guy, she didn't care about AJ.>Tony buys him drumsTo compete with Carmella for his love.>supports him in football Because he wants to live vicariously through AJ. He wants him to be the football star like he thinks he should have been.They hardly give much of a fuck about AJ. Again, he's not the hardest worker, he's not the smartest, he's not going to be an Ivy leaguer. But the world is full of AJs. Young guys without much direction that are just average at best. They still find a way to get through life. Granted he's only 21 at the end of the show. The way people talk about AJ is as if he's a 38 year old jobless bum living at home. They also see Meadow as a presumably rich attorney and think that if he's anything less than her, he's an abject failure.
>>223208418Being a good person doesn't get you shit in the real world.
>>223208868You can just admit you're wrong anon
>>223204417James Gandolfini was like 5’9. everyone on the show was short. Vito is like 5’4.
>>223208892I accept your concession.
>>223208923>Numerous examples>Uhhh they don't countlol only one concession here
>>223208868AJ summed it up himself. They supported him but never in anything he was actually interested in.
>>223208951>give examples>argue against them one by one >NO UR WRONG I HAD A LIST SO I WIN!!!Let me help you start>You're wrong anon, here's why...Go on now, you can do it.
>>223209036You didn't argue at all, you hand waved away, nobody would genuinely argue anything other than getting AJ a grade as the reason Carm banged Wegler
>>223207740>it didn't work anyway>>223207778>Meadow got to Columbia on her own meritPay more attention
>>223209088IT WAS FOR A DIFFERSNT UNIVERSITY YOU MONGOLOID
>>223208384>being a moderately awkward teenager, who has highly dysfunctional parents and no sense of directionNo, yeah. That's insane! No one has ever been like that!
>>223209065Really? So you think Carmella didn't want to bang him at all? She did it because she wanted to, AJ was just a convenient excuse for her to bang someone she wanted to bang to get back at Tony.
>>223205495I don't know what they were thinking casting an Irish kid. They were very good about casting Italians everywhere else, or at most a Jew like Sigler who can easily pass.
>>223208962>interested in running a club>refuse to spend a few grand fronting him even though you blow 100K a weekend on football>help by getting him experience at the bing or the crazy horse or any of the other clubs you're involved in, even vesuvio? no, a job at a fucking pizza parlor
>>223209114Nah you don't get it bro, if you're not on your way to being a doctor or lawyer at 20, you're a fucking worthless piece of shit. You're supposed to have your entire life figured out, and be absolutely flawless with women by the time you're 19 or you're a weird burnout loser that may as well kill himself now.
>>223204391Tony makes AJ eat a huge bowl of lasagna out of respect for his mother but AJ finds out he's lactose intolerant the hard way.
>>223208876It gets you the only things that count
>>223204472Literally an average skinny fat guy>>223205744>>223205548Sofia is a bogged up bimbo with disgusting nightcrawler lips and putrid, plastic skin.
AJ’s faults as his own person were only compounded by such a shitty upbringing. Whether a character such as himself could ever turn out as a good person is up to debate.
>>223207723>By that measure almost every congress member, senator, governor and member of the executive branch is a loserThat's a big 10-4, good buddy.
>>223208666The world would absolutely be a worse place if Europe and east Asia were both ruled by insane expansionist ethnocentric empires who regard mass war as a viable way to resolve international disputes. America would have been fine either way, but American participation in World War II is what allowed the U.S. to become the world's foremost superpower and led to the greatest economy the country has ever seen.
>>223204367Are you saying that when he was a kid, he had the makings of a varsity athlete?
>>223205280I think you have to factor in the Catholic thing. Feminized cultures like Italy where the mother is all-holy and the father is a sinner. The shame and guilt trickles down.My dad hates me and I never even realized why. He was never really close; he wasn't absent but I mostly had to fend on my own. The second covid hit he went and got into meth out of desperation and would constantly troll me for money, then he went and had another son out of spite. I think the idea is that there's this deeply ingrained shame and fear in men like that that their "bloodline" will be snuffed out.
>>223204367Robert iler is the only one from the cast that wasn't either italian or jewish
>>223210811I love how they have this thing with Asian culture. Last two seasons they start eating sushi and listening to Buddhists and all that shit.Poor Siggy. She has MS :(
>>223208914>James Gandolfini was like 5’9.Tony Soprano was the king of manlets? Holy shit, the ICK just kicked in
>>223205327>a constant seething rage around young men for no reasonSex. The boomers were entering middle age and fucking hated adolescent boys out of pure seethe. Yes, boomers viewed their own children as sexual competitors; this fact explains much about the current state of the world.
>>223210986Look up the "lost boys" of Utah. A lot of able young men are literally being sent away to die so the old men can have more pussy.In fact there's always been this mythology that the promiscuous father is supposed to be slain by the young, who are supposed to rebel.
>>223204858I remember watching this with my dad while I browsed something awful and he looked at me the same way Tony looked at AJ. I'm 34 and still sleep in my childhood bedroom
>>223211050>the "lost boys" of UtahYeah, and its not just Mormon cultists. Boomers sold the country to spite their children: DEI, H1-B, illegals allowed to stay, "muh property values" are just some examples.
>>223211276My favorite AJ scene, and I think the most important one, is at Bobby Baccala's funeral. Everyone at the table is just having a breezy, superficial conversation about movies and American Idol at the funeral for a guy who was brutally murdered. AJ lashes out but isn't articulate enough to convey what he's sensing; the absurdity of the entire situation. I think everyone would agree that every one at the table was smarter than him and, yet, he experienced the anger and anguish of the scene more than anyone else.
The later seasons are too depressing to go through, Tony is way too much of a piece of shit for me to enjoy the show
I guess most of you are a disappointment to your own fathers who are mostly boomers that worked their asses off for you. You're young and not worth a shit just like AJ?
>>223211799I worked my ass off and they sold me down the river, dude.
>>223205747>They're the sons of the heroes of WW2, the generation that saved the world from evil.Nooooooo you've triggered the sexless chudcels
AJ ended the show dating 14 year old model
>>223211799I have a good job thanks to myself because my parents gave me shitty career advice, I actually had to go against themI have a non existent social life because I had ZERO support from my parents even when they saw me struggling, they KNEW I was strugggling and yet did nothing about it, worse they said "maybe he is just like that"
Looking back, does Sopranos hold up in 2026 as well it did back then? Are the later seasons as good as the initial seasons? Did the middle seasons suffer too much from having the same reoccurring plot of someone being released from jail and causing problems?
>>223212034Yes. Yes, though the tone is markedly darker. No.
>>223212034It holds up even better I would say. When you watch it, you learn retroactively that Sopranos crawled so Breaking Bad, etc. could run.
>>223211799My grandparents were the ones who worked their asses off. They bought my dad a house when he got married to my mom, plus paid for the construction of his own business with tons of expensive machinery.Guess what I got when they died? Nothing. My dad sold their mansion in the canyon, all their vehicles and valuables, kept it all for himself. I can't even bring a girl home because I can't afford my own place so I'll never marry or have kids of my own.
>>223210986So basically the whole generation went through a midlife crisis.
>>223205316Hoho THIS from YOU?! You wanna talk embarrassment anon, remember what happened last spring with the russian? What? I thought we were being honest here.
>>223205376>NOOOO YOU NEED TO WORSHIP JEWS AND FOIDSAbsolute state of boomer "men"
>>223206035Nah we'll just cannibalise your 401k. The fuck you gonna do?
Man why were the boomers so fucking angry in the 90s/00s? Always cruel mean shit from them to any kid. Now that im in my late 30s it just seems bizarre. Got no hate in me at all towards the younger generations
>>223210248> insane expansionist ethnocentric empires>It's insane to prioritize your own peopleYou're such a raped shabbos goy. Now that's actually insane> who regard mass war as a viable way to resolve international disputesOh like Israel? Like the US for the past 80 years? Like the US is doing right fucking now in Iran?Just because Ghislaine Maxwell's father said it, it doesn't mean it's true btw. The UK declared war first btw. Germany offered peace multiple times btw. Churchill was indebted to jews btw. Hitler outlawed child prostitution and usury and had to fight the entire world for it btw. No you're right it's so preferable for western nations to be ruled by pedophiles and for 250000 young girls to be raped by migrants because it gives us nummy food or some shit.
>>223204367David Chase loved AJ, especially late season AJ.
>>223208914Nah the autists at celebheights.com say he's 6ft ¾ in
>>223213312you’re the weird one…younger generations right now expect the freedom to harass elderly people without having a 30 year old confront them for it. little scumbayegs. will never stop enjoying the look on their faces when ANOTHER STRANGER HAS INTERVENED IN MY FUCKING WITH A STRANGER THIS CANNOT BE HAPPENING!!!!
>>223213312Boomers are the scum of the earth. Literally no humanity behind those cold, soulless eyes.
Always with the scenarios.
>>223213550Hitler staked his economy on debt spending that could only be repaid by looting neighboring countries' gold reserves, he was committed to apocalyptic war as soon as he took power. He also killed more white Christian Europeans than the most insane wokes could dream of. You /pol/tards do a lot of tiptoeing around the fact that he was the most self-destructive failure in the history of the white race and that Europe would be immeasurably stronger if he had never lived.
>>223205349>Because they were a bunch of fucking retards listening to Slipknot and The Strokes and watching Jackass. Boomers just knew shit was getting worse.No. Early Boomers became hostile because all their hippy era flower power shit was horseshit, then they flipped and retreated to suburbia to lord over it like control freaks when they saw that the party was over. They larped harder than any generation ever has.
>>223213906this. in the end, racism is absolutely nothing in comparison to the destruction a race can do to itself. we must look at what hitler did to other whites, or what china does to its own people every 50 years to see the truth in what truly harms mankind. there's just no trendy way to teach this in schools, what whites to do whites, blacks do to blacks, and what asians do to asians
>>223213887Scenario this, hypothetical that.. The boy's afraid to live in the real world, Carm!
>>223204367They had him playing defensive line, no less.
>>223205376Fuck you, moron
>>223204508bowl cuts were very common in the 90s, broccoli head
>>223205376shitty bait
>>223214426This. If you never had your mom or mom's friend cut your hair you didn't truly experience the 90's
>>223208638He was being bullied so he shit in the shower
>>223205747>They're the sons of the heroes of WW2, the generation that saved the world from evil.lollmao
>>223211883>look ma i used the words again!
>>223206094I mean by the end he had 2/3 which isn’t bad.>M3 >cunny girlfriend Too bad he was a manlet
>>223215934being a manlet has it's benefits. you can claim rape when a girl rejects you
>>223204385I did something similar, pissed on the bathroom floor cause I hated one of the jannies, then got busted but everyone agreed to believe I actually shit on the floor instead for the lolz so this hit way too close to home for me
>>223204858Nah he would have failed upward.He would have landed in some lucrative position doing something somewhere, due to nepotism and the fact that his family is loaded and well connected.He wouldn't have been in the mob, that much is obvious, but he would have landed on his feet in some other industry.
>>223204385At least he made something out of himself, a fucking X-Man can you believe it? That animal Magneto is finished!
>>223205747they feel like they're toughening up their sons but they don't know when to stopthey don't feel the need to do that to daughters so they just spoil them insteadthe workforce is so shit because men and women become surrogate sons and daughters for boomer management and they do that shit in the workplace too
>>223218277The thing with that is as longas you're earning good money this really doesn't matter, but now the dying economy is catching up and highlighting all of these pathologies
>>223204367They fucked up by not hiring a wop for AJ. Wtf was Chase thinking hiring this straight up WASP. Also the actress for Meadow almost didn't get the part because she said they told her she was too swarthy looking.
>>223208914I mean it worked fine in the wire. The youngins were all 35 year old men but the og's were 5'4" theatre majors
>>223218449>pro-wop>anti-swarth
>>223218449>Oh my god she's so dark!
>>223208085We all have ambition about the things we like. Some even have ambitions about being on 4chan
>>223210986>>223205327This, Saturn eats his own
>>223218449Meadow never got better as an actress she only got that part because she is Jewish
>>223218449Carm was a white Northern Italian. Meadow just "came out dark"
>>223204385*Carlo Jr.
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>>223204385>>223218237
>>223208085Made capital because he was Johnny Boy's son and became de facto boss after Junior was arrested. The rest of the series sees their enterprise, already in decline, collapse under Tony's management as he fails to keep his men under control
>>223208384>zoomerAJ is a millenial, the show starts in 1998
How about that prick's face when he saw the gat
>>223207287kek this redeems your other post
kek lotta people hating on their sister ITT
>>223209482unironically if you are a tryhard aiming for certain prestige paths, you better have your life figured out at 15 or you have 0 chance of making it. That being said, not everyone wants that and most will stumble and redefine their goals as they go.
>>223204367I always thought him undeservedly being in the football team would have made sense given what happened with the soccer coach in season 1 and his dad's commonly known association with the mob, but admittedly the show never really alludes to this. Otherwise, his progression as a privileged teenager with below average intelligence, brought up in the household and atmosphere he was, made sense. I think they didn't really give him any really substantial plotlines until the last season because Sigler was the clearly better actor and had better chemistry with Gandolfini.
>>223211799I think a common complaint we see ITT is parents that often don't have any interest in their children past surface well-being, my dad thought it was a vast improvement from his father's version of parenting by actually even being there occasionally at all and asking about school once a year. The first time I slept over at a friend's house I was stunned by how much the children talked with the parents and how many questions they had for them, that they'd remember my name and interests etc As I grew into adulthood it got better, I guess they just didn't consider children worth the conversation or something.It's not so bad all things considered though, the boy three houses down from mine would catch a beating about once a month. I don't harbor any bad feelings for my parents, they did their best.
>>223224578Unfortunately their best was horseshit and they literally sabotaged you for life but it's nice that you forgive them. Would be kinda awkward having to go through all that emotional neglect after the fact. It's much easier to pretend that everything is fine
>>223211734Blame the wannabe goombahs who glorified the characters and put Scarface and Godfather posters on their walls. The lack of basic literacy and understanding of media continues to this day.
>>223224693eh, we're all sabotaged in some way or other, when I see how badly some people were fucked up I consider I got lucky. I've talked about all this stuff with my parents already, cleared up a lot of things but made me think up new questions, ultimately I don't think I'll understand until I have my own children. A lot of it is just a severe lack of communication skills in our family, we're the kind of people who just choke down our suffering and march on wordlessly
>>223225056yes yes everyone has it bad and you are lucky they didn't rape your or tortured you with hot water so you better stop complaining young man! you can't imagine how hard it is to have shitty little children like you. all that abuse was simply a matter of miscommunication tehe
>>223225229hm, don't recognize this brand of trolling, interesting.
>>223225586it's the complex trauma that you'll find everywhere by people who are going to continue the abuse and neglect because they'd rather make peace instead of admitting that they had a rough start and that the people they love did not always have their best interest in mind
>>223225614>the people they love did not always have their best interest in mindthis is something most people realize once they become a teenager, parents are just humans like anyone else with an optional bias of affection for you
>>223225661believe it or not but there are actually good parents out there and children are incredibly good at playing down their neglect and abuse because they literally depend on their parents with their lifei'm not saying to have a mental breakdown and that you are irrevocably fucked but if you standard of parenting is "at least they didn't hit me" then you are fucked big time. a lot of the damage is also done by the absence of positive things. babies literally die without enough love and the absence of adequate emotional support and guidance can lead to some very self destructive habits and coping mechanismyour parents probably went through a similar thing and maybe they even improved a bit. but if you truly want to break through the cycle and not merely "improve it a bit" you'll need to completely separate (at least for a time) and look at your situation objectively in the big picture and not how it measures up against your immediate environment
>>223225807My experience is filtered through my environment, obviously I wasn't lucky enough to grow up in a neighbourhood where most parents were as you describe. If I only took the best as my standard I'd be fucked as I spent a year in a poor person exchange program in a rich private college in Hong Kong so I knew just how bad my situation was when I got home and how little opportunities I had in comparison both at home and at school.I agree with most of your points but you're coming about it like it's some big revelation you're imparting on the masses. There's no point in harboring resentment over the past, I've been out of the house for a decade now, it's over and dealt with and I see my parents as fellow adults rather than guiding figures, mostly because I saw early on that they wouldn't be able to help any further. As I said, they did the best they knew to do, as I grew older and talked to them about it a lot of it is just the natural product of how they lived their life up until then and the models they themselves had. Every well-intentioned parent imo believes they are breaking the cycle of whatever perceived abuse/neglect/incompetence they went through as a child and invariably every single one to my knowledge fails to some degree. My aunt didn't allow her children to have friends because we lived in a semi-dangerous area and they're still fucked up in the head imo but she thinks she's a saint for preserving them.They did better with my brother than me, but we both came out of it alright. It really is no big deal if you've dealt with it appropriately, our childhood may be the clay of our life but it is our hands that sculpt it. Sure I had a rougher start than most (in the USA at least) but that's no reason to feel bad about it or use it as an excuse for any failings I might have as an adult, I'm good nowI dislike 'objectively in the big picture', I get your intention but 'objective big picture' is not something humanly attainable in the literal sense.
>>223226085>I agree with most of your points but you're coming about it like it's some big revelation you're imparting on the masses.It is. Unfortunately it is.
>>223220477What's the joke?
>>223226447phil kills his dad and then becomes his father figure.dark humor.
>>223226683Woah
>>223205327Speaking as a middle aged father, the shit most boomer dads did to their own family is nothing short of appalling. For instance, asking my dad for any kind of help was met a childish outburst of anger complete with a harangue of profanity. Boomer dads had this idea that fatherhood was just work and watching sports and everything else would just fall perfectly into place.
>>223204367who the fuck cares, all this do is spread dysentery on their ranks
>>223204367I get the impression that they wanted to make a Jackie Jr type of him, yeah. He's just low IQ and starts off kind of brutish, though he's too spoiled to make it in the mafia. Later, they tried to make him out to be this introspective melancholic type, but it didn't mesh with how fucking dumb he was. People who fail highschool English don't have existential crises.
>>223204367>>223204385AJ plans and almost succeeds at executing his great uncle who is locked in a federal institution. He only spergs out because subconsciously he knows it would destroy his family.VJ is clearly preparing himself to be a law unto himself with zero cares about what society thinks of him.The point was made. They were rising stars that had to be respected.
I relate to AJ more than any other character in a movie or tv show
>>223204367You know the retards who say "it's comic books it's for kids and you're complaining about it"?This is boomer cringe power fantasy shit. This is degenerate "Oh yeah, boomer, very 18 year old in the world wants to suck your dick, because you have all the cool cars, you fat sex boomer, you." This is the capeshit of the boombooms.
>>223234494*every 18 year old
>>223234494I would watch capeshit if the characters were anywhere near as compelling as in the sopranos.
>>223210747>Feminized cultures like Italykek, wait until you hear about jewish culture then you'll plotz
>>223205958>>223206240Feel like by contrast silent generation parents were generally neglectful or absent making gen x parents overcorrect into helicopter parenting
>>223204385He had to go but did not want to stop filming so he just adlibbed the defecation. That is real time live action pooping.
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