Anakin literally kills women and children in Episode II. Why are we supposed to think he isn't already evil until the end of III?
>>223214053it was ONE time, gosh.
>>223214053they had it coming
Because the prequels are badly written. They had their chance to show Anakin's fall into darkness with Filoni's TV show, and they fucked that up even.
Settler violence baka
>>223214053Because the Sequels were worse. How were you supposed to know that 13 years before they came out? Just because, that's why!
>>223214053The sand people was demons. Killin em was Christian
That's why George had to shoehorn in bits at the start of 3 where Anakin won't let some clone pilots die and won't leave Obi-wan behind to try to tell us that he's supposed to be a good guy. These movies are so shit.
>>223214097How is this an example of the prequels bring badly written? The Tuskens are literally directly described by a morally upstanding character earlier in the movie as mindless monsters that are not men.
>>223214053Oh no, he killed the subhuman raiders! They could have become doctors and lawyers and film producers on Coruscant. If only they hadn't kidnapped and tortured Anakin's mother to death, but to be fair how were they supposed to know he wouldn't like that?
>>223214127>George had to shoe in Anakin not leaving his knocked out master for deadPrequel hater desperation levels are reaching new heights of delusion.Also the clone moment is more to show that Anakin is bad at the passionless/attachmentless element of Jedihood than anything. It's showing that he is a good person, but in a way that makes him a bad Jedi.
>>223214053They were mudslimes it doesnt count
>>223214129It literally never comes up afterwards for the rest of Episode II or III (other than a quick line from Palpatine reminding Anakin of the sand people). These movies are worse than you remember.
>>223214053>Why are we supposed to think he isn't already evil until the end of III?Because they're aliens. Aliens are only half-people in Star Wars. Like how droids are literally just slaves.
>>223214129>the local adult said they were subhuman and animals needing slaughter, and that’s that. Even if the anti-christ did it in total malice Get a fucking grip buddy
>>223214053Same reason I don't care about it happening right now in the middle east.
>>223214175>the movie depicted abuse of slaves so that means it thinks slaves should be killed Yeah uh huh
>>223214205That's the fun part. Anakin was also a slave so he can abuse and kill droids all he wants. He's morally in the clear.
he was suffering from depression, he reached out for help in every way he could and was failed by those around him
>>223214053Because in universe killing sand people doesn't really count. They're barely more intelligent than beasts. People might look at the act of killing the women and children unprovoked with a little side eye but it's not the thing you're gonna get brought up on charges for.
Retards ITT talking about shit lore while i only watch prequels for the awesome lightsaber actions. GEN-X BE GONE!!!
>>223214115This. They just gang raped his mom to death. Sand People aren't people.
>>223214244>Retards ITT talking about shit lore while i only watch prequels for the awesome lightsaber actions. >GEN-X BE GONE!!!You watch it for lightsaber actions I watch it for the beats. We are not the same.https://youtu.be/PW4OIHDsWsM
>>223214160No, no, no, anon. Torture and rape is part of their culture! Anakin should check his privilege and accept that! He should be happy his mother was blessed with sand people cultural enrichment!
>>223214231Don't forget the massive undiagnosed and unmedicated Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder from a childhood of servitude under a greedy junk dealer.
>>223214053what does it say about Padmé Amidala if she slept with anakin after he killed a bunch of sand people
>>223214337She's a Jew.
>>223214053Just sand people. It's okay to kill them.
>>223214337Not as much as initiating a vote of no confidence in the incumbent Chancellor for refusing to pursue military solutions to the Trade Federation when she and her planet are vocal "pacifists."
>>223214053>they enslave and rape people, they also use racial slurs and don't support trans rights, it's justified, chud.
>>223214171why would it? In his mind, though morally reprehensible, it was justified in light of all the people they killed. It wasn't meant to be some grand referendum on his soul. It was a stepping stone to show that he was flawed, vulnerable to rage, and therefore corruptible.
>>223214473>It wasn't meant to be some grand referendum on his soul. It was a stepping stone to show that he was flawed, vulnerable to rage, and therefore corruptible.You know what the weird thing is? Out of all the characters Anakin was probably the one that judged himself the most harshly for what he did. Padme just handwaved it. None of the Jedi, not even his mentor, received a vision or even picked up on his internal torment. He wanted to be punished for it but the punishment never came.
Women and children of what? What group? What race anon? Answer the question.
The sand people are genuinely subhuman cannabalistic parasitic filth
>sand peopleVery subtle, George.
>>223214053the movies are so lame they don't convey anything about it that's the problemlucas
>>223214243>Because in universe killing sand people doesn't really count. They're barely more intelligent than beasts. Yeah, that was the fucking point of the whole act, wasn't it? George Lucas sat down and said, in his squirelly voice, 'lets have half an hour of this movie be about Anakin, who is on his journey towards evil, innocently killing a tribe of aliens and crying 'i slaughtered them, even the women and children!' and the point will be, well I don't know it'll just be cool and have nothing to do with the audience, the world, or anything'. You people are fucking retarded.
>>223214053muslims are not humans
How are we not supposed to think he's evil? We already knew he was going to become Darth Vader
>>223214893We live in parody of both ourselves and the people we hate so we're completely incoherent
Anakin had good in him. Even at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith he wants to cancel the mission to save Palpatine to turn around and help the clones but Obi Wan stop him. Anakin's circumstances and the people around him failed him. Even Obi Wan admits it
>>223215066>Anakin's circumstances and the people around him failed him. Even Obi Wan admits itMore than just that, the Sith took active steps that kept Anakin isolated, and dependent for validation and acceptance from Palpatine.
>>223215066>>223215103Lets not forget (if we take Shmi's word for it) that Anakin was literally ripped out of the Force into reality by an evil space warlock. He was fine up there in Heaven, ol Sheev there just wanted to conjure a Chosen One to employ as his company cop.
>>223215181Or Shmi was a whore lol
>he a good boy, he dindu nuthin, he gon be a jedi master
Tbh if a bunch of literal sand people raped and killed my mom I'd probably go on a rampage too
>>223215200Don't see how she could be. She was Watto's slave, and he kept a close eye on his property.
>>223214053Because they did a fucking atrocious job humanizing them, they're just monsters out in the desert killing and raping for fun. Then he says the women and children thing and you think, "yeah, maybe that is kind of fucked up" but it passes because they were still monsters and the movie just sucks so you just go back to hoping something cool finally happens but it doesnt.You want a crude comparison? In the US by the time Clones came out we had been attacked by people(coincidentally that came from the desert) and were over in their country killing their people as well. That was considered justified by a lot of people, eye for an eye.
>>223215215Now you know how we Israelites have felt all these years.
>>223214053For the last time prequeltard.Killing an alien tribe whose members are directly responsible for your mom's death is not the same as killing bunch of kids that you literally grew up with and who look up to you for safety. The issue isn't that people don't recognize both acts are equally heinous. The issue is that Anakin has no logistical or emotional motive to cut down jedi children like he did the Tusken women and children.
>>223215227Maybe Watto was a cuck. Then he could still keep an eye on his property and she could still be a whole. Or he could just be a pimp.
>>223215252Killing the sand people makes sense. Killing all those fucking 5 year olds hiding from basically a school shooting is unforgivable
>>223215227Notice how Shmi didn't work at Watto's shop? Nor did she cook or clean for Watto at his home. Now what other occupation could Watto he using her for?
Did George intentionally make this thing a Christian allegory? Because Luke is the only one who could ever forgive Vader. Even in the EU Anakin's ghost goes to Leia to ask for forgiveness and she refuses.
>>223215288Perhaps as a housekeeper for hire, where Wattos keeps the proceeds.
>>223215200Do you see how I try to get out ahead of your horseshit comment by saying 'if we take Shmi's word for it', and you give it anyways? As if you weren't totally predicted and identified as an idiot distraction beforehand? Is that what you had in mind, when you set out to 'be clever'?
>>223215276That's the issue I was pointing out. Anakin can justify killing Tuskens regardless of whether it is morally right or wrong (The film clearly portrays the slaughter of the Tuskens as morally wrong) but there is no real worthwhile justification for Anakin killing the younglings. His best justification is to save Padme and even then he wouldn't need to be the one to kill the kids himself nor would he be opposed reindoctrinating them to the Empire.
>>223215305Nah, George was making a kids movie. But for adults it's pretty obvious that her role as a slave was to suck and fuck. Talking to a Jedi wizard man and being like "uuhh... I just got pregnant one day" makes sense.
>>223215303YES YOU FUCKING RUBEGOD DAMMIT I HATE YOU FUCKING PEOPLEGET A CLUE
>>223215305That's called a pimp
>>223214053This land was promised to him. He is a humble settler and they were violent people
>>223215334Well, he thought that's what he had to do to save Padme from dying. And in his anger he killed her by doing it.
>>223214231I stand with Anakin!
>>223215377Where the fuck is there any scene in the film that conveys Anakin thinks killing kids will save Padme?>Palpatine said he had toPalpatine also admitted he had no idea how to save Padme's life immediately after killing Mace. Why doesn't any one ever mention how it makes even less sense for Anakin to believe Palpy after that shit?
>>223215413Because he was raised a slave and a Jedi and a soldier and doesn't know any better.
>>223215334>Anakin can justifyBUT HE DIDN'T, DIDN'T HE?BECAUSE HE KNEW IT WAS WRONGAND YOU SHOULD TOO
>>223215413>Why doesn't any one ever mention how it makes even less sense for Anakin to believe Palpy after that shit?Anakin's already in too deep to back out. He already outright murdered a member of the Council. His life as a Jedi was officially over. All he had left was Palp & Padme.
>>223215440he probably has massive ptsd going through multiple years of the clone wars. He probably just said>siding with this burned melting lump of flesh will probably finally end the war
>>223215453He's obviously crying and about he was going to do and after he did it. He's a manipulated retard. Doesn't change what he did but he still feels guilt about it. He cries after he kills the sand people and he cries when he does Order 66. As Vader he uses his anger and murder to cope with all the shit he's done.
>>223215495Right. My only point here is that Sand People are not just meaningless fodder no matter what the other jackasses in the setting say, they were written to be people for this scene, and Anakin cried for killing them as such. He knew they were people, he knew it was pointless murder, and you should too.
>>223214053He was willing to ignore the billions of humans enslaved in Hutt space, but gets upset when his mother is raped and murdered by sand persons as a consequence of that slavery?
>>223214053they deserved it
>>223215511>He knew they were people, he knew it was pointless murder, and you should too.That's the funny part though: Literally no one else cared. Padme didn't give a shit. Palp didn't give a shit obviously. What would the Council have done to him if he had confessed? A slap on the wrist? Send him out to war again? Would they trust him to do his duty any less? Not likely.It's that microcosm of horror that really traumatized Anakin: That idea that a Jedi can massacre a bunch of people in the middle of nowhere and no one will care at all.
>>223214053They were sand """people""", who cares.
>>223214053Becahss those weren't people. Even Padme thought that
Mike Stoklasa is a fat faggot loser retard, I hate him.
>>223215586Anakin is Balance itself, after all. No matter what we in the audience or the rubes in the movie think Balance should look like or what Balance should be doing (I mean what was Sheev thinking, like summoning the Angel of Death to try and hire as a company cop) he always acted with equal cosmic counterforce. Even his actions as Darth Vader, were all self-harm. He had become a Jedi, and Jedi needed to be punished, to be balanced, so Vader wields hate against others and himself, because he is host to full cosmic retaliation. I'm just glad he's safe back in Heaven, dead.
>>223215761>I mean what was Sheev thinking, like summoning the Angel of Death to try and hire as a company copHe was always a hubristic little bastard
>>223215586Anakin really didn't care about anything besides Padme or what powerful people told him to do. He is was always basically a child. Only when he found out he was a father did he start to think for himself.
>>223215644Padme was too busy thinking about 8 year olds
>>223216148It's unironically okay when women do it
>>223216133Tccht don't we all
Father lives through multiple dismemberment and entombment in walking iron lung, convinced he had annihilated his familyMother dies from postpartum stress holding her own babies'Poor Padme! What Anakin did to those children...'Right.
>>223216199I feel bad for what Anakin went through but that doesn't excuse murdering children and blowing up a planet. They really should have gone through with this concept art. Sure Luke "redeemed" Anakin but he's still a monster.
>>223216276I'm just saying Padme was a pussy mother
>>223214053The Sand People had it coming for kidnapping his mother
>>223216276Also when I say 'those children' I don't mean the yuenglings I mean Luke and Leia
>>223216199Yeah people need to feel more sorry for the guy who just killed a bunch of children before trying to kill his pregnant wife and supposed "best friend and father/older brother figure". He's the real victim here.
>>223216335Ugh *dies*
>>223216308When he found out Luke was his son he fought him and went easy on him and just chopped off his fuck hand. No biggy..
No way Sheev didn't set that up, telepathically urge the Sand People to go raiding. That moisture farm that she was taken from was the same one Luke grew up on and he never got buttraped.
>>223216426Well there's also no way George thought of that. AotC used to be considered the worst Star Wars movie before Disney.
They raped his mom to death >no they didntShes literally tied to a breeding pole
>>223216426This is where George loses me because he does say all evil in the galaxy is rooted in the actions of some eternal space-Satan. Now I'm not one to bluntly reject Christian mythology in any case, but I feel he too loosely mixed metaphors and created a monotheistic Satan in what is ultimately an eastern Taoist understanding of pragmatic confluence of forces
>>223216426>the same one Luke grew up on and he never got buttrapedOne of the first things that happens in Star Wars is Obi-Wan saving Luke from being buttraped.
>>223214053They were muslim so it's good he killed them
>>223214288>I watch it for the beatsWrong thread anon, whiplash is few threads downhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GBvBu5ErSSo
>>223216308If Anakin was killing yuenglings he probably wouldn't have done it
>>223216426>That moisture farm that she was taken from was the same one Luke grew up on and he never got buttraped.Well I gues we owe SOMEBODY an apology for cleaning up the neighbourhood, huh??
I don't know I just think the whole thing's stupid because it's about a space warlock
>>223217254it's a fantasy series in spacewhat's wrong with wizards
We really should go back where its acceptable by society to kill sand people.
>>223217374They're reductive. Sheev is horseshit, this 'rule of two' business is a hack job. It's called sin, retards! Others did it better before you in equally as secular terms!!!
>>223217419>fictional cults are bad because they aren't my real cultlamest possible answer
>>223214053>Why are we supposed to thinkYou are supposed to watch the OT, og version, and be done with SWthat's all
>>223214053>He massacred the vicious, hostile aliens that exists through raiding after finding out they raped and murdered his mom!
>>223214053Nothing convinced me that Anakin was right and that itbis vompletely okay to genocide these fucks than Tusken Raiders mission in Star Wars Kotor.There was a SINGLE dialogue route among two dozen that didn't cause them to attack you.
>>223214053tusken "women" and tusken "children" they're all complicit and thus valid targetsthe whole species is called tusken raiders, not tusken civilians
>>223214053those were animals, so he slaughtered them like animals
>>223214160>>223214309Kek
