Meanwhile over at DC headquarters…
Get over it
>>223214594Why? It's not watchable. I didn't even bother with flash, justice etc. Just shit.
>>223215062Because it was profitable at the start unlike James Gunn unlike James Gunn
>>223214640who are you talking to
Snyder and Gunn both sucked there's no hope for DCToo much failure over too many years
>>223214594Fake and gay
>>223215566The papers, the papers
>>223214594whether you like the movie or not studio meddling ruined a chance of something interesting after BvS which is still discussed 10 years on. Who the fuck discusses a marvel movie 10 years on.
>>223214594I know we've beat this horse to death but honestly, it is impossible to overstate what an epic, absolutely horrific, company-killing nuke the botching of the Snyderverse was. Consider the magnitude of the failure:1) It killed a consistently profitable shared universe. It wasn't making as much as they *wanted* it to, but that's a very different problem from not making money AT ALL which is all that's happened since. They took profitability for granted and discovered it's far from automatic. Which is especially retarded considering both the Batman and Superman franchises both had to be shelved at some point in the past because they managed to kill the golden goose. WB of all companies should have known the brand alone is no guarantee of anything2) They basically doubled the cost of the Justice League production to reshoot huge chunks of it to Whedonize the movie despite the fact that they could have just spend the 30 mil HBO did to make the Snyder version, which would have given them 2 films' worth of content AND been better received by the fans (which we know because the Snyder cut was, in fact, better received by the fans). They doubled expenses to make half as much money while alienating their entire fanbase. Not a great plan3) They had no exit strategy or transition plan and eventually just had to admit the DCEU was dead while still having a bunch of films in progress so they ended up shitting out multiple DOA films that cost hundreds of millions each. Flash, Blue Beetle, Shazam 2. Just a complete fucking bloodbath that went on for like a year. And again, this was what they chose to do instead of MOS2, solo Batfleck and fast-tracking Aquaman 2 instead of fucking with James Wan 4) And the worst part might be that now even though it's become clear they fucked up there's no fixing it. If you reboot AGAIN everybody just stops caring but no one likes the Gunnverse so you can't stay the course, either. It's a no-win situation
a tweet so real op didn't link to it
>>223215792Spider-Man 2 is still considered the greatest superhero movie of all time right now, while any discussion about BvS is about either how shit it is or what baffling decisions made it be so shit.
>>223214594How does this guy have a career? He's a hack.
>>223215566That's what happens when one gets to make their films while everyone is hyped up for both the genre and for this universe to finally be represented in all it's glory, rather than individual films like previous. And the other gets to make their films when faith in the franchise is at an all time low, interest in the genre is diluted and muddled like mad and their most direct competitor is still riding high from their peak even as it too is starting to fall apart.
>>223216095Don't forget thing like batgirl, the movie exist, they filmed it, edited it but...never released it
>>223214594Imagine the hype if Snyder came back to direct The Dark Knight Returns
>>223214594I'm still pissed they teased us with this and never delivered
>>223216198>Spider-Man 2>marvel movieThe first 3 spidermans were sony joints zoomie. Everyone knows anyone talking about "marvel movies" means the modern arc beginning with Ironman. Blade doesn't count either dummy
>>223214594meanwile in a jeet mind more like
Firing him was fine but the whole Joss Whedon reshoot thing and lying to everybody for several years was a big stupid waste of money and unforced error. Put out the Zack Justice League, let it fail on its own, hard reboot
>>223217404Lmao imagine the flop
>>223216095all they need to do is a donner's superman with modern sfx and vfx. it's not rocket science
>>223216288Gunnjeet cope is getting more and more elaborate
>>223215792except bvs is discussed for being a piece of shit with one of the most retarded scenes in cinema history
>>223218107They did, it was called Superman Returns
>>223217404yeah imagine if the guy who gave batman guns made tdkr
>>223218161yeah and now it's 2026 and cinema is full of shit. you have your winning formula, stick to it
Snyder's DC films were bad.Gunn's imare even worse.
>>223214594If Rebel moon and The Last Photograph is anything to go by, why?
>>223217404Adapting the Dark Knight Returns is a retarded idea. The comic is based off decades of continuity that the movies don't fucking have. The Batman / Superman interaction doesn't work if they have zero history. Green Arrow showing up doesn't make any sense if the only Green Arrow anyone knows about was from a CW show. The Joker wouldn't be any of the Jokers we've seen before. Jason Todd being dead and Batman accepting a new Robin doesn't mean anything if there's never been a Robin in the first place. Carrie trying to be Robin to begin with doesn't make sense if there's never been a Robin in the first place.TDK is an ending. Making TDK just out of the blue with no context is like skipping the first seven Harry Potter books and just warping straight to Deathly Hallows. It keeps coming up because it's popular but it's a terrible introductory point. It's dependent on a lot of pre-existing relationships that won't exist because there won't *be* any prior movies in the continuity.
>>223218327Because they are good?
>>223218107That's exactly what you got with Gunn Superman movie>>223218200But Superman returns was shit
>>223218340>That's exactly what you got with Gunn Superman movieNo we didn't, and that movie is fucking awful and an eye sore.
>>223218340You mean the Superman movie that is all about other heroes fixing everything through murder and where Superman is just the butt of the joke?
>>223218406What movie did you watch?
They still haven't made an animated Metal Men movie! They still can't make a Teen Titans film despite everyone under 35 being raised on the various TT cartoon's over the past quarter century!
>>223216198>Spider-Man 2 is still considered the greatest superhero movie of all time right nowwhich one is that? homecoming? far from home? you can't just say 2 and expect people to know which one you're talking about, unc
>>223218605i know which one he is talking about zoomie. next time try not being retarded
>>223218605This.
>>223218636>>223218605there is only 1 spiderman worth being referred to as Spiderman 2 and it isn't andrew gayfield or tom bottom trash
Snyderino universe is also shit, only the first two movie are somewhat ok (for cape standards). In that shit flash movie they even made Clooney Batcuck canon.Reminder the Clooney movie were he smile like a retard while Alfred is dying on the couch and he has the batman credit card? All canon.
>>223214594Capeshit is for faggots, Women, or juvenile Children either way se ba saar.
>>223214594Reminder that Batman cucks Superman in his grand vision
>>223218872based
>>223216095You nailed it, even while it was going on it was so ridiculously self destructive that it didn't take hindsight to realize how much they repeatedly shit themselves in the foot at every step.But seeing it all summarized together after it all just tells a confusing story. How fuckig dumb are they as a company to sabotage and prevent movies from being made. This sort of over protective micromanagement ironically losing them money at every turn because they send random naysayers to tell experienced veteran film directors what to do at the behest of random unproven think tanks.And best of all, there's no consequences to any individual at the studios. None of the bean counters or producers are ok the hook or notable enough for having screwed this up. No, we just have the directors who were basically victims of a mid race carjacking that saw their lead get ruined.
>>223218605what he said
>>223218161I think part of the lukewarm reception to that movie was the lack of a new villain. People by that time wanted Bizarro or Brainiac, not Lex on his own again
Every fucking day with this shit you guys got your 4 hour kinoarino can you leave us alone
>>223216095Zack's plan for an Endgame equivalent event was Countdown To Final Crisis The structure of that story would allow you to show multiple versions of characters played by different actors
>>223218431Metal men could absolutely be a animated show
>>223215566damn you have a big pussy>damn you have a big pussy
>>223215783lmao
>>223219810Lexs evil plan was make a new island. There was a lot of shit wrong with that movie
>>223216095> but no one likes the GunnverseI’m begging ya to leave your echo chamber
>>223220891>Box office $126.4 million
>>223214594Indian bros, we get the last laugh!
>>223214594say what you will about snyder, at lest he had an ideajames gunn has 2 movies and 3 shows, and none of them connect to each other or even seem to be set in the same universeno idea how the fuck is lanterns supposed to happen in the same world superman was inalso Creature Commandos was just "but think about the holocaust" kiked shit
>>223217404Big hype
>>223220915Superman did fine and Lanterns is working out well for HBO. Supergirl was a dumb idea from the start and it didn’t help the movie was horribly ugly and mediocre.
>>223220891after supergirl flopped its already a failure 2 movies inalso james gunn is too much of a crazy jew even by hollywood standardspeacemaker 2 ? all about nazis and jewscreature commandos? all about nazis and jewslanterns? all about muh reperations and space racismeven leftoids cant keep up with it, even biggest goys called peacemaker drug orgy too much
>>223214594bitch divorced chad to be with the beau only to find out he's a narcissistic loser who wastes all the money for low quality vanity shit and regrets the divorce, wanting chad back
>>223221553Peacemaker drug WHAT?
>>223215062Because now we have James Gunn's slop which has bombed 3/3.
>>223221562i shot you not season 2 opens with a full on porn drug orgy in ep2 i thinkeverybody i know dropped it then and there, i know gunn wanted to film porn movies, but the kike should keep his sexual degeneracy to himself
>>223221519>Superman did fine>Superman will be released on digital streaming via premium video on demand on Friday, Aug. 15, Gunn announced on X on Tuesday, with a follow-up confirmation of the release date by Warner Bros. Discovery Home Entertainment. When to Stream, which is typically accurate with its PVOD reports, reported on Saturday that Superman was coming to PVOD on Tuesday, Aug. 26, so the announcment of the earlier release by Gunn on Tuesday comes as a big surprise.>Lanterns is working out well for HBOlet me guess, top 1 in hbo internal metrics and the super loved by fans and critics, right?
>>223217483Fucking LOL, do you actually like this?
>>223221849That’s right, Rajesh.
>>223220915Why did they fuck up Supergirl so bad?
>>223221553One massive bomb isn’t a pattern, if another movie bombs then I’d say it’s dead. Unless it hurts the Superman branding in terms of merch and stuff, but I think it’s more likely Supergirl stuff will continue to sell despite the bomb just because the Superman brand sells.>>223221849>>Superman will be released on digital streaming via premium video on demand on Friday, Aug. 15, Gunn announced on X on Tuesday, with a follow-up confirmation of the release date by Warner Bros. Discovery Home Entertainment. When to Stream, which is typically accurate with its PVOD reports, reported on Saturday that Superman was coming to PVOD on Tuesday, Aug. 26, so the announcment of the earlier release by Gunn on Tuesday comes as a big surprise.This is perfectly in line with the trend of when movies get placed on streaming. The agreements between theaters and studios is structured so that the cut for movies increases over time. Therefore, studios have been quicker to pull movies from theaters when they start seeing less returns in hopes are turning would be ticket buyers into subscribers. Superman dropped 36 days after release, well within the 30-45 day trend, and still passed the $600k benchmark everyone online was obsessed with after it got on streaming. I find the release window argument really weak when it comes to assessing failures instead of determining smash hits. And Superman not being a smash hit doesn’t mean the universe is dead, that’s a very hyperbolic claim. Sources for claims>https://econ243.academic.wlu.edu/2017/03/06/movie-theaters-how-do-they-make-their-money-what-does-that-imply-about-movie-distributor-contracts-with-theaters/> https://www.indiewire.com/news/box-office/when-can-i-watch-new-movies-at-home-30-days-1234860688/
>>223222305The cut for theaters increases over time*
>>223218933kys cuck
>>223218161>They did, it was called Superman ReturnsNo, that was a bizarre mix of Donner and some truly stupid ideas. The best parts were the ones that felt like they could have been in the Donner movies, like the plane, boat rescue, bullet to the eye, and generally optimistic theme. The kid and kyrptonite plot just felt really stupid and drug the feeling down. Turning Donner's Superman into a deadbeat dad just shattered the depiction.
>>223217483>turns into gay porn halfway in
>>223216288A recent Spider-Man movie made 2.4 billion dollars. I think there is still interest in the genre but in characters people care about.
>>223214594>Snyder: I make GAY movies that turn people GAY!>DC: Hmmm... maybe we should bring him back
>>223221973Well, she IS fuckable.
Snyder won. MoS is a great movie.
>>223214594>shit movies that retarded faggots still turned out in droves to seeI'm just enjoying clown world.
>>223222462okay now adjust for inflation
>>223214594I bet Snyder Chads are feeling vindicated right now.
>>223222801I don't think theater tickets price has increased so much in the last years. If you compare it with movies from 20 years ago yeah we should take inflation into account but not for movies from recent years.
Yes, I'm sure they're really kicking themselves over the one that got away
>>223222874Everyone makes trash on Netflix. Even Scorsese embarrassed himself on that shit ass platform.
>>223222856Anon we’re in hyperinflation.
>>223222901Okay, then what explains all his shit non-Netflix movies?
>>223214640You first, Gunn.
>>223222958Those don't count
>>223222874Zack is not good with writing stories, just adapting them. With DC he had all the material and story available. He has a very specific style and was trying a serious take on DC, which can often drift into silliness and camp. I won't say I entirely agreed with his vision of characters like Superman, but it was interesting to see his interpretation and I wish he'd been left to make a Superman trilogy before any team-ups. WB trying to speedrun a Marvel universe was the biggest blunder.
Well they cant go back now so whats the point talking about it?
>>223217404hey just called 300 the gayest thing ever so that bridge is burned
>>223218872Batman has always cucked him. In the old cartoons he fucked Lois while superkek could only watch
>>223215783KEK
