>1999>"the peak of your civilisation"Wachowskis... I kneelhow did they know?
>>223224652it was obvious to anyone that was alive at the time, especially for anyone that had the privilege to grow up and mature during. we just didn't know that the downfall would be so sudden.
>>223224652They stole everything from Akira
>It's the smell
>>223224729le post zookular wasteland is le peak civilization???
>>223224729>no bike centric aesthetic>aesthetic is 90s edge industrial and not neon cyberpunk city>plot is completely different>no core characters match with akiras cast
>>223224652There was 90s optimism, so they must have felt it was better than before. This was before 9/11, before the Global War on Terror, before the 08 market crash, before everything.
>>223225038>before everythingbefore politics ruining everything it touches, like cancer
>>223224652They saw it ... with their own eyes.
>>223224652Part of it was capitalizing on the panic surrounding the Y2K bug and part of it was simply because it's when the movie came out. However, we still had a good 12 more years to go before we entered the Shit Dimension.
>>223224729It IS a pastiche, but it's a pastiche of several things, mostly all the live action and Japanese animated sci-fi films they had seen up to that point:>Ghost in the ShellGeneral look and vibe of the film. >Megazone 23An obscure OVA, but they got the main premise from it: A guy living in a modern city learns his entire world is fake, they're actually in the future, humanity is dead, and everything is controled by computers and protected by G-men.>Total RecallSimilar premise switch, and the Red Pill concept is lifted directly from it. They also "borrow" a scene where the main character sits in an office and a manager explains the entire plot of the film. >Dragon Ball ZI swear to god this is so obvious but people seem to miss it. The combat and super powers are inspired by DBZ fights. These would have been all over TV in the mid 90s and I can see them wanting to make a live action version.
>>223225133absolutely retarded opinion, because this movie definitely holds up today
>>223225133>However, we still had a good 12 more years to go before we entered the Shit Dimension.I generally think 2012 is the cut off point which I refer to as "The Before Times". You either lived through this era, or you did not, and thus have zero frame of reference. People who lived through this time period can sometimes still produce decent looking films that look normal. Film makers that came up AFTER this time period make bizare shit that only seems to appeal to twitter people. Everyone got brain raped by Twitter.
>>223225099>before politics ruining everything it touches, like cancerretarded zoomerthe whole latter half of the 90s was plagued with political shitflinging that literally almost ended civilization in a nuclear holocaustbut you think because modern politicians argue over trannies and israel, that we are living in the darkest of times
>>223225166>They also "borrow" a scene where the main character sits in an office and a manager explains the entire plot of the film.What the fuck are you talking about.
>>223225504https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Ot1OEfk9I
>>223225504>What the fuck are you talking about.In Total Recall, the Recall guy explains the plot of the upcoming film in detail by way of the Ego Trip.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ2ujVlwcJcIn The Matrix, Neo's boss explains the upcoming plot of the film, including that Neo has to make a choice between blue pill and red pill, and that he's literally THE ONE. The two scenes mirror each other heavily, and both massively foreshadow the film's plot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Ot1OEfk9I>Rhineheart: You have a problem with authority, Mr. Anderson. You believe that you are special, that somehow the rules do not apply to you. Obviously, you are mistaken. This company is one of the top software companies in the world because every single employee understands that they are part of a whole. Thus if a employee has a problem the company has a problem. The time has come to make a choice, Mr. Anderson. Either you choose to be at your desk on time from this day forth, or you choose to find yourself another job. Do I make myself clear?
They were spiritually troons already. They knew what was coming.
>>223225179The matrix aged poorly. It came out at a time when the worst that could happen was you were bored, but generally life was nice and you were comfortable but maybe you could have more than that monotony. There was cool stuff that you just had to seek out. Now everything is shit for everyone, nobody is comfortable, and there's no escape no matter where you look. Neo's drab office job is now a luxury of its own thanks to women and foreigners destroying the job market.
>>223225801get more pozzed bro, see if it helps LMAO
>>223225762>They were spiritually troons already. They knew what was coming.They were anarchists who were deep into the Berlin BDSM sex club scene already. That leaked into the film a bit but it's kept to a minimum.
>>223225864I accept your concession.
I said back then that we where in the time before everything went crazy. Like I could just sense the population was going to boom and everyone would go nuts somehow.
>>223225538>>223225592You must be kidding me. This is not "explaining the plot of the movie", this is a foreshadowing.
>>223225883Imagine being into gay sex shit with your brother...in fact dont.
>>223225038>There was 90s optimismrodney king police violenceLA race riotsoklahoma city bombingWTC bombingOJ trialgulf wargenocide in yugoslaviaNATO bombing serbiaWacoruby ridgefinal death of detroit and the rust beltdotcom bubblemassive post-coldwar recessiontoo much money in politicschristian paleocons usurping the republican party24/7 news cycle24/7 shitslinging in politicsnoticeable decline in quality debates and compromise, average voter becoming more brain deadStop looking at the 90s with rose tinted glasses you retarded mongrel. there were plenty of problems and the people living back then were already complaining all the time. just because Friends and Frasier were comfy shows doesnt mean that the 90s were the peak of human civilization
does time pass in the Matrix? Are they perpetually in the year 1999? Do they celebrate holidays/the passage of time?
>>223226061What is it, then? Just being young and dumb in the 90s? Do zoomies look fondly at 2020?
>>223226061>a few headlines are the only argument you havePathetic and retarded. I mean, serbia and yugoslavia? Lmao talk about desperate
>>223226061>genocide in yugoslavia>NATO bombing serbiaYou're just a born complainer aren't you.
>>223225099>He doesn't know about Ruby Ridge>He doesn't know about Waco>He doesn't know about the OKC bombing>He doesn't know about Monica Lewinsky>He just thinks politics began in 2016
>>223226061A third of those things are in the 00s
>>223224652They're students of postmodern theory and cultural stagnation was a widespread concept in the decades leading up to the end of the millennium and remains so in the new millennium (Mark Fisher). Fukuyama was pushing "the end of history" after the Cold War too, basically the 90s was as good as it was ever going to get.
>>223225133It was before that. The '08 recession was a punch in the gut for millennials. And we had GWOT dragging on for years before that. '99 being the peak, or close to it, was pretty spot on.
>>223224698It wasn't that sudden. We thought living in the Matrix would be better, so here we are, well on our way to making that occur.
>>223226061I hate black-pilled losers like you. Movieshows were allowed to have all-white casts and putting Africans in medieval settings was so absurd it was the premise of a comedy. Choke on a turd you whiny defeatist faggotard.
>>223226741The 2000s still felt like it made sense, even with the bad stuff that was happening back then, which is why media in the 2000s felt less forced than media now. Movies like Tropic Thunder and the Spider-Man trilogy didn't feel like they had to try so hard to be good, they just naturally were. But at some point in the early 2010s we crossed into a nightmare realm where everyone is constantly doomscrolling, miserable, and mindlessly obsessed with the latest culture war. I'd take 2008 over now in a heartbeat.
>>223224729No they didnt but if they did good, the matrix is a better movie for sure and japs steal influences from the west all the fuckin time
>>223224652but...THE SMELL.
>>223226061Why does everyone pretend to give a shir about Waco lmfao, oh no the pedophilic death cult had its child rapist dethroned and some of his cultists died from being fucking retarded, biggest fake outrage campaign literally ever lol do you think anyone gave a shit then or now with any real sincerity, get the fuck outta here im so tired of people pretending to give a shit
>>223225372>but you think because modern politicians argue over trannies and israel, that we are living in the darkest of timesThat’s true tho
