I genuinely believe the ending of the show basically exactly mirrors the ending George had in mind for the books and he was completely stunned by how terribly it was received and it totally killed his motivation to finish them
>let's talk about shit that's settled and doesn't matter anymoreNo.
>>223347021The only tweak the show needed to save its finale was to have Daenerys's forces LOSING the battle at first such that burning down Kings Landing with the dragon would've actually made sense as a last ditch move made out of desperation and not just a vague malice / madness
Why would you believe that? His motivation was dead long before season 8. There is no evidence whatsoever he was making great strides to finishing the books before.
>>223347021so you haven't read the books
Bran's Greenseer Police State ending makes sense in the context of the books thoughIt's more of a pacing/execution issue than the beats of the ending
>>223347021Would it really stun him that a poorly executed version of an ending with almost no foreshadowing and not to mention the dragon-fire being utterly unnecessary would turn viewers off? If it had been executed well, Daenerys could've been given plausible ability to be able to at least try to justify her actions like if Cersei had rounded up civvies and put herself in the tower with them so she would be using them as a shield.
He and Redd Foxx are morphing onto the same person. Why is no one talking about this?
you realize he hadn't written shit in the years the show was well received, right?
>>223347157I never noticed this but holy shit its true
>>223347021brave post and an opinion no one has ever had before.
>>223347066the point is that dany is supposed to be another mad targ, so she can't have any real justification for her actions. the issue is that kike & kike spent 8 seasons going "yassss queen slay free dem slaverinos" instead of putting in all the foreshadowing the books have.
>>223347021i think it was just another rock in the pile of reasons why he doesn't finish the damn seriesHe got famous and rich at an old age where he can't go on yachts and fuck hippie redheads anymore, so he spent the last 15 years producing shows/media, editing and shilling books by his friends, WILD FUCKING CARDS, and a number of other filler stuff no one but him and his circle of friends really gives a shit about.It's not that he is a lazy fuck who doesn't do anything, he does a lot of work EXCEPT for the most important thing that he should be doing, i mean you can see how every time someone asks him not only about ASOIAF but his other work he dismisses the subject or gives a half assed answer instead preferring to talk about food or something completely different.
>>223347092This. His procrastination was already well known before the show even started. The story got too big and complex and he lost control of it, and his perfectionism won't allow him to prune it back to get an ending out. I don't think the reception of the ending had much to do with it, if anything at all.
>>223347021It could have been ok with the same basic plot. It just felt like they were making everything shitty and gay on purpose. Lots of girl power resistance lib fanservice
>>223347021GRRM has no grand artistic vision and that’s why his ending is a dud. Game of Thrones is fundamentally an exercise in autistic world building. He has little figurines he’s smashing together that hail from made up places. There’s no emotional core or point to the story.
>>223347199This is why gardeners need to be very careful with their stories. They need to prune their fucking gardens, because if it gets too big, they will not be able to finish and the garden goes to rot.
>>223347021>basically exactly mirrors the ending George had in mind for the books and he was completely stunned by how terribly it was received and it totally killed his motivation to finish themNot exactly but a lot of the broad strokes were probably similar, ie Daenarys going crazy and Bran becoming king. I agree it helped kill his motivation though.
>>223347021There is no ending, anon. The guy completely lost control of the plot and also lost all interest in wrapping it up, as evidenced by Book 4 and Book 5 which kept adding more storylines and more characters.Some essayist gave a great summary of why the series is doomed:>GRRM is EXTREMELY post-modern and cannot let a single archetype or trope play out straight>GRRM is EXTREMELY liberal so has to go against every single institution or value associated with what he's writing about>GRRM is EXTREMELY cynical and HAS to end everything on a sour/pessimistic note - which is fine in short stories but not in a massive epic. ASOIAF has no messages and no meanings beyond "war bad" maybe.
>>223347187Yeah, it's obvious the two fucked (despite him being nominally married). I just wonder what she got out of it - it clearly wasn't for money, she already had the part and he's a massive pussy. Titanic daddy issues on her part?
I’m tired of discussing this tired old fat bastard. He’s not finishing his garbage series. Move on.
>>223347139no the point of the books is to be realistic. the reunification of the kingdoms is never on the table the only reason they unified is dragons and there wont be any dragons left at the end.bran even at his wargiest doesnt have the power to maintain control over the whole continent
who has a better story than bran the broken?
>>223347307lrn2filter newfag
It's pretty funny that white walkers killing everyone would have been a more merciful ending, than westeros being ruled by Big Brother Bran.
>>223347021this is obviously true. by keeping the books on hiatus grrm manages to gain a higher moral ground by leaving out the speculation that "wow the tv show sucked, the grrm book would have been so much better, too bad he croaked before finishing it"
>>223347063>people proceed to talk about it anywayRekt
>>223347360But he also lost his legacy. He will be forgotten, unlike Tolkien.
>>223347187I swaer to God he is ragebaiting at this point
To quote GRRM himself>You know an ending. You dont know THE ending.
>>223347462Did he add "And you never will"
There is still hope you guys!!
>>223347462>and neither do I
>>223347425it's by design, he's intentionally letting the books stay on hiatus. you should read how vitriolic he is towards fanfiction authors, he absolutely hates any ASOIAF fanfiction. and he has specifically told his legal team that no other author is gonna finish his books after his death (like what happened with robert jordan)
Reminder, one of the reasons fantasy books mostly cater to women now, and are mostly standalone erotica, is because of guys like George and Rothfuss. People no longer buy unfinished series specifically because of these two.
I don't know, I watched this guy interview Stephen King once, and one of the questions he asked him was, "How do you write so much?" And Stephen King was like, "I just do it every day." So GRRM is a bag of shit I guess
>>223347178Based David and Dan trolling and humiliation ritualling insufferable feminists
>>223347475>>223347453>>223347187Bro wrote fucking Elden Ring instead of working on finishing his series. He literally doesn't care.
>>223347506yeah...you won somehow here incelbro :)
>>223347514elden ring was his true passion project
>>223347541True
>>223347489I've never seen an IRL person care about Rothfuss. Fans of his work seem to exist exclusively on Goodreads and Reddit as faceless accounts.
>>223347425god willing tolkien slop will be erased from the earth by the impending aryan-fascist regime
>>223347514George used all the unpublished world building for Asoiaf he had in his head for Elden ring lore. Horah Loux is azor ahai. >az-horah Hai (high) >horah loux (low)
>>223347021Lmao this plebeian wants Winds of Winter. Shut up and read the next Dunk and Egg, it’s all your getting.
>>223347332The rape, Sansa.
>>223347573the legendarium is the blueprint for the impending aryan fascist regime
>>223347659>>223347332
GRRM is every negative stereotype about the baby boomers wrapped in one ugly human being, the world will be a brighter place after he dies
>>223347357Bran actually being retroactively responsible for everything could’ve been kino.
>>223347682
>>223347697Oh fuck, I never saw that one.
>>223347546>>223347514People underestimate how much he contributed to the game's lore, he wrote everything up to the shattering so all of the demigods(at least in the base game) are his creations. There is an NPC tho, Gideon Ofnir which i think it's clearly based on Bloodraven but he is probably the work of Miyasaki fue to the timeline, pic related>>223347642I think Horah Loux is literally based on his face, they really look alike
>>223347506Pretending that it was good because it made woke girlbosses seethe, or something, is a massive overcorrection.
>>223347682>>223347697>Sansa, I have something to tell you>I saw Daenerys squatting next to a stream...>It was beautiful
>>223347697>>223347753i have this one too
>>223347021>ending shares 5% with George's ending>it bears a tiny superficial resemblance to the complex endings of several dozen characters, many of which are conpletely absent from the show>DURRRR IT ALL DA SAME HURR HURR
>>223347021the truth is the old codger didn't care anymoreall he ever wanted was to get a cool tv show or film based on his writingshe wrote a shit ton for a whilebut guess what, once Game of Thrones went big, no more books. Who could have guessed?The tv show finale didn't matter one iota in his decision making. The fat cunt had already decided to give up his books by the time s1 came out.His series had a tv show. That was all he cared about. Everything else was secondary
>>223347152Why should khaleesi be a hero? She’s a foid with dragons and a hoard of Mongol rapists
>>223347021The bullet point outline is mostly fine. The pacing and execution was abysmal bc D&D just wanted to be done. People are teleporting everywhere and then they zoom through 2000 pages in 6 hours and it ends and so none of it develops or feels satisfying
>>223347187He wrote the first book 30+ years ago. He’s a totally different person now than the man who authored those books and he’s living in a totally different world. Even if he did finish them it won’t be the same. It almost makes more sense for him to let some young fanfic author finish them. Someone younger with more ideas and passion will do a better job with the story. He can retain veto power and try to steer the spirit of the series but there’s no way he’s still inspired by that work after so many decades.
>>223347021what's gay is enough time has passed now where he could do his version and people would still be hyped, the stupid fuck just needs to retire up north like Enya did. Just buy a castle and live like a king for a couple of years and finish the book. I think the show fucked it though. Like Jon's story. Was he going to resurrect him in the book? Or would he have made him warg into Ghost and stay like that forever? But now he might feel Jon being resurrected was cooler but we've already seen it now so it'll just look like a copy of the show. There's so much of that with other stuff too. That's probably why it will never be written.
>>223348509>Game of Thrones was released before Lewinsky gave blowjob to a Clinton
The show ending is obviously what GRRM intends to do in the books and I have no idea why fanboys are so resistant to that idea. The alternative is that GRRM fed D&D a fake ending and let them fuck up the last 3 seasons so he could swoop in and save the day.
>>223349174The plot points are good, people just rightly complain that the quality of the pacing and the dialogue became ass (I’m not counting prophecy copers who misunderstood the whole point, or targ/dany/jon copers who wanted house Targaryen to be vindicated or who wanted a generic fantasy hero who saves the day, they are retarded)
>>223349315>The plot points are goodNah, bran being king is stupid.
>>223347667its lolbertarian slave moralist faggotry
>>223349466Bran isn't going to be king. The evii wizard possessing his body will be though.
>>223349466Bran died in the cave when he warged into hodor. how do people not get this. Its literally not bran. Its the 3 eyed faggot
the rape
>>223349588>>223349656>um actually it’s not himOk but almost everyone in Westeros don’t even know what the three eyed ravens even is. They just see some crippled kid in a wheelchair.
>>223347021Of course it's the ending he planned, no shit. It's exactly the kind of subversive shit he literally made a living on and it perfectly fits the world of song of ice and fire too, what he didn't expect was that his audience actually expected a happy ending as if they had not been paying attention. Now, that said, just because it's the clear ending he was building towards doesn't make it good. In fact, for any ending he made to be satisfying and good it would have meant going against the very basis of what he's been writing for years, and that's why he clearly gave up after seeing the reaction to the ending. He'd rather the universal rejection and tarnished legacy than saying no to his subversive shit, and really it's not like he realistically can
>>223349174Only in the broadest strokes, everyone already called Dany being mad decades ago for example. There's a ton of granular absurdities like euron allying with cersei that wont happen.
>>223349656nah the twist will be that bran is the evil one compared to bloodraven. we have all this foreshadowing about how fucked up it is to warg people and bran is wearing hodor like buffalo bill with a woman suit.
>>223347642Isn't the closest thing to azor ahai Radahn?
>>223349744People are getting tired of subversive storytelling and honestly that’s a good thing. The constant deconstruction and shock value have become an oversaturated formula that often prioritizes cheap twists over coherent storytelling.
>>223349588>>223349656bran is a collective of undead greenseers, it’s not just one wizard possessing his body it’s multitudes of them (minus bloodraven, we saw him get deleted from existence by the night king)
>>223347021If that were true, the books and show deviated so completely that the book endings no longer worked.
>>223349823Radahn is more like the last hero
