Star Wars fans would call Luke Skywalker a "Mary Sue" if he was female. He'd never even piloted an X-Wing before he took out the Death Star. And then he held his own against Vader after like a week of training.
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>>223350434Its not like he did something that took an epic maneuver in the xwing he got a "lucky" shot after being the last one to "luck" into being alive in the run I can easily except using the force as basically cheating, so long as said cheating is just little things not becoming god after 5 seconds of knowing it. And vadar whooped his ass and disarmed him.
>"Luke we've got a malfunction in fire control, I'm not set">"shoot it anyway, Dak">gun blows up in his face At least Luke had flaws. Rey is just always perfect.
There's straight up a line where he says he would shoot at small animals in an aircraft with similar controls that he flew frequently.
>>223350434Luke was a joke in the first movie. Lost his hand on the second movie.Lost again on the 3rd movie and had to be saved by his father.On the first movie alone Rey knew how to handle the Millennial Falcon better than Solo. Used Jedi powers after hearing about it for the first time. No years of training whatsoever, she didn't even know what a Jedi even was just minutes before. Then dueled a Sith Lord and survived without a scratch. All in the first movie alone.Second movie Luke turned into a total loser. Rey trained and became a jedi all by herself in like a few days. Not to mention the Leia bullshit. lmaoLike dude come on....
>>223350685Just boys being boys shooting womprats in their armed speeders :)
>>223350685No there isn't.
>>223350712>Lost again on the 3rd movie and had to be saved by his father.Imagine if instead of trying to aura farm from the moral high ground and throwing away his lightsaber, Luke picked up a second lightsaber, said he's all the jedi and deflected the Emperor's lightning back and killed him.Wouldn't the movie be so much better?
>>223350685What if Luke was just talking about playing with his toy T-16?
>>223350720>we used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than 2 metersDuring the Death Star attack briefing
>>223350720General Dodonna: The battle station is heavily shielded and carries a firepower greater than half the star fleet. Its defenses are designed around a direct, large-scale assault. A small one-man fighter should be able to penetrate the outer defense.Gold Leader: Pardon me for asking, sir, but what good are snub fighters going to be against that?General Dodonna: Well, the Empire doesn't consider a small one-man fighter to be any threat, or they'd have a tighter defense. An analysis of the plans provided by Princess Leia has demonstrated a weakness in the battle station. But the approach will not be easy. You are required to maneuver straight down this trench and skim the surface to this point. The target area is only two meters wide. It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port. The shaft leads directly to the reactor system. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which should destroy the station. Only a precise hit will set off a chain reaction. The shaft is ray-shielded, so you'll have to use proton torpedoes.Wedge Antilles (Red 2): That's impossible! Even for a computer.Luke: It's not impossible. I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two meters.Ironically Luke was being a smug retard, and the shot was impossible even for the computer. Only a space wizard could do it.
>>223350434He was the son of the Chosen One and had the same potential (or more, since Anakin was now stuck to cyborg body and life support suit), that's why the Emperor wanted him to kill Vader and take his place.
>>223350767Different actor but they had Wedge's actor dub the line for some reason
He was the chosen oneHis father was and I quote "the greatest star fighter pilot in the galaxy".Obin wan to luke "I hear you are becoming a skilled pilot yourself".Luke had a T-16 skyhopper wihc he used to shoot womp rats in beggars canon.Luke was due to go to pilots academy. Lukes T-16 skyhopper was made by INCOM the same company which made the X-wing. Many controls where common.
obscene breasts
>>223350434Vader was going easy on him because the objective was to capture Luke, not kill him. Plus by then he knew Luke was his son.
>>223350712The idea that Luke is a jobber in Empire Strikes Back is hilarious. He's not even a fully trained Jedi and he manages to fight with Vader to an even trade for longer than even Obi-Wan managed it in ANH. Luke's power is on full display and you see why the Emperor fears him, you can see his potential in the fight even though he loses.Basically you're a fucking brainlet retardo, Luke has a huge handicap against both Vader and the Emperor and gets by on raw power alone
>First movie, Rey easily beats Kylo Ren>Second movie, they're evenly matched>Third movie, Kylo Ren calmly dominates her without even trying, and Rey only manages to win by giving in to the tard rage and channeling the dark sideInteresting rendition of the hero's journey
>>223350811Lucas being a jew making sure as few people as possible get credits or spoken lines , less paws in the pie.
>wedge just suddenly becomes British in RotJ
>>223350864>an even tradeVader just fuckin' saunters around during that fight and doesn't expend any effort, even trade my ass.
>>223350434>He'd never even piloted an X-Wing before he took out the Death StarBut he was still a pilot (and what he flew was nearly identical in the cockpit to the X-Wing). Rey had never even flown an actual ship before getting into the Falcon. Luke also worked to master his skills that would give him the experience needed for the trench run.>>I used to bullseye womprats in my T-16 back home.But even so, Red Leader was still skeptical of him.>>You sure you can handle this ship?>>Sir, Luke is the best bush pilot in the Outer Rim territories.The Rebellion needed all the pilots they could get for the mission so it didn't matter really. To them, at worst, Luke would just be fodder for the Death Star's defenses that would hopefully allow a more experienced pilot to take the shot. No one expected him to actually succeed and he wouldn't have had Solo not shown up when he did.
>>223351064Too bad that scene with Red Leader is only in the special edition
Luke blew up the fucking Death Star, he earned the Rogue Squadron leader position
>>223350434Something I finds really interesting is that sequel fans can never defend the ST by its own merits. Every defence always boils down to trying to deflect back onto the OT/PT and then attempting to vault the now lowered bar, and often they can't even admit that they're fans while doing so.
>>223351130>sequel fansThere is no such thing.
Fucking woke "don't need no man" girlboss
>>223351153Sure but in retrospect that's Anakin Skywalker's daughter so it's fine
>>223350712You also forgot to mention that Luke is a guy, so he has a massive, inherent advantage compared to any woman from a biological perspective.
Luke spends pretty much all of New Hope being bailed out and rescued by other people. He accomplishes very little by his own merit or that he would be credited with until, of course, the Death Star mission.
No he wouldn’t. Because back then people respected the nature of sci-fi. This changed now retards have to have every little retarded detail explained.
>>223350434Luke and Anakin both had experience piloting things. Rey is worse, in that she learns how to do things she's never even done once, like Jedi Mind Tricks.
>>223350434>He'd never even piloted an X-Wing before he took out the Death Star.He piloted a T16 Skyhopper, manufactured by Incom, the same manufacturer of the T65 X-Wing. >And then he held his own against Vader after like a week of training.He did not. Vader wasn't trying to kill him, but convince him to join the empire. He was toying with him. And while Luke had little training, Rey had absolutely zero training. Yoda even warns Luke not to go specifically because his training isn't complete.
>>223350583Human Women should be able to do this, we as a species have failed when our women do not do this.
>>223351380>Vader wasn't trying to kill him, but convince him to join the empire. He was toying with him. And while Luke had little training, Rey had absolutely zero trainingTo be fair, Kylo was doing the same thing to Rey and she had frickin' sweet Bo staff training
>>223350434>Ooh look I have titty must show off tittyWhy are they like this?
Unsheathe those fiery muffins you bawdy strumpet.
>>223350862Vader didn't know Luke was his son until afterwards. Luke pretty much got lucky dodging until Han came out of nowhere and ambushed Vader.
>>223351553I mean during their duel. Vader definitely would've had no problem shooting down Luke in the trench if it wasn't for Han
>>223351553Sorry sweetie, retroactive continuity
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>>223350434Penis Status?
The annoying thing g is that it's actually really easy to make a character like Rey likeable. You just needed better writing and acting.>"I bypassed the capacity!" *horse-faced hyucking*>"ZOMG? SHE SO GOOD?" O_o>"That? Oh, I er, bypassed the capacitors." *shrug*>(angry curmudgeoning, because it's HIS ship, and nobody goes yanking out pieces of HIS ship unless they want everyone to get vented out the airlock-) (although later I'm going to begrudgingly admit you got a knack)>"well fine, next time I'll let the whole ship explode."They got it the wrong way around. Everyone is like "woah, Rey you're so capable!" and it just feels like a hollow trope. She doesn't need to be a proud cunt on top of being good at shit. Han should have been the prideful one.
>>223350712>Luke was a joke in the first movie.He destroyed the main super weapon of the Galactic Empire.
How is going to the Tachihi Station to run an errand to pick up hardware parts wasting time with his friends?
>>223351736come to think of it, why didn't kenobi and the lars's call him 'luke lars'? leia wasn't called 'leia skywalker', she took her foster parents' name.
>>223350434Luke only succeeded in destroying the Death Star because Han showed up at the last minute and saved his ass from Vader's squadron. Then in the next movie, Luke got rekt by the Wompa and would have frozen to death if Han didn't show up and save his ass again. Later, Luke was defeated by Vader, lost his hand, and would have fallen to his death if Leia and Lando hadn't showed up to rescue him when he was stuck dangling off that antenna. Then in RotJ, Luke only survived because Vader saved his ass from the Emperor. Not denying that Luke also did a lot of badass heroic stuff, but his successes all depended on help from other characters. He's not a Mary Sue.
>>223350811afaik that was supposed to be wedge but the actor in that scene was a literal retard who couldn't remember his lines worth a damn and got replaced in after that scene was filmed
>>223351153true, but at least george appreciated women so she isn't wearing anything under that
>>223352028Moisture farming is hard work. Luke is a layabout that will dally if you send him into town; probably wind up meeting up with friends and talking about the war, or starships, or swoop racing. That rich little shit Biggs Darklighter might even talk him into another run around Beggar's Canyon. The boy should keep his mind on his work.
>>223350864Obi wan sacrificed himself dipshit
>>223351753This is fucking retarded because the Emperor tells Vader who Luke was when they're still looking for the Millenium Falcon in the asteroid field.
>>223350434>a "Mary Sue"I fucking hate that normies like you have forgotten this is a fan-fiction archetype and importantly a self-insert. You focused on one thing(hyper competence) and ignored the shit that actually matters which is that its a self-insert who is only good at everything as reason for all the established characters to want to smooch herCalling Rey a Mary Sue is accusing the sequels of being fan-fiction
>>223350864you're an actual brainlet retard obiwan wasnt seriously fighting vader
>>223352822Yes he was.
>>223350434Because females are weak pieces of shit compared to men. They're basically children.
Women aren't even equal to half a good man. They're good for getting fucked, and that's about it...
>>223353057They couldn't even like clap or something?
>>223350434i no joke think i had sex with this girl. if she's the girl i'm thinking of, her name is sara w. last name might have changed by now. sex was mediocre at best. she had a hairy butt. got weird afterwards. 3/10. would rather just jack off.
>>223351064The funny thing is that the only """justification""" that Rey has for being a legendary pilot and mechanic and everything else is that one of the cross-section books has her "learning from a y-wing computer" that apparently has in-depth mechanical details and flight simulators for every single ship possible, despite of course never actually seeing her do any of this on screen.Oh, and she found it in a broken-down AT-AT.
what a terrible fucking thread full of faggots
>>223351499You forget the part where Kylo's genuinely trying to probe her mind with the Force and she just effortlessly pushes him out after getting angry (but she's not falling to the dark side, that would never happen to Rey!)
>>223353401no they need to signal to everyone that they are the victim for being made to feel inadequate
>>223352573>Calling Rey a Mary Sue is accusing the sequels of being fan-fictionThey basically are, and the second part also applies because half the cast unironically love her within seconds of meeting her>Finn wants to get into that dusty crust pussy>Kylo also wants to make her his stinky unwashed sith girlfriend>Han practically wants to adopt her>Leia treats her like the daughter she never had>Chewie immediately settles into being her best pal after Han's death>the orange asian lady alien gives her fucking Anakin's lightsaber within minutes of meeting her for the first time>Poe... never really interacts with her at all throughout the entire trilogy>Palpatine literally wants to get inside herI can't remember if there's a scene where Luke begrudgingly admits she's the greatest Jedi that's ever lived but I wouldn't be surprised if it's in there.
>>223353657Ummm, actually it was Luthen and Andor's life's work, chuddie
>>223351153Yeah she took charge-shes been established as a leader in the rebellion. But think where hee hastily made up on the spot "plan" got them. Into a garbage dump where they would have been squished if 3PO and R2 didn't save their asses.
>>223353657>ignoring the guy who risked his life to tell the Rebels that there was a Death Star in the first place, and who died running the extension cord out to make sure Jyn actually had a space internet signal>ignoring the people who crashed into the stupid planetary shield gate to keep it open so the signal would reach Leia's ship>ignoring everyone on Leia's ship who got the plans out>ignoring Luke who found the plans and got them to Obi-Wan>ignoring that both of them got the plans off Tatooine and back to the Rebels in the first place, even saving Leia in the processBut yeah the chick whose input amounted to>take a data disc and plug it into a terminal>hit "send"she's the one who blew up the Death Star actually. Fucking kek.
>>223352255Didn't she have to tape her floppers down in that outfit?
>>223353057What makes it even more embarrassing is those women are probably more fit than me and I could probably even do that obstacle. Not saying it wouldn't be difficult but just jump and grab the ledge, lazy cunts.
>>223353662Yeah, y'know im saying its a valid accusation. They were made like a billion years later without Lucas, accusing them of being fan-fiction is valid and therefore calling Rey a Mary Sue is valid. Well, actually do Luke and Han want to fuck her?
>>223352573>Calling Rey a Mary Sue is accusing the sequels of being fan-fiction
>>223353864Sorry anon, I thought you were implying she wasn't one. All good.>Well, actually do Luke and Han want to fuck her?No, Luke only wants to fuck the weird titty milk creatures and jerk off to his collection of Twi'lek por-uhh, the sacred Jedi texts. Han just wants to die.
>>223353662>>Poe... never really interacts with her at all throughout the entire trilogy They meet in The Last Jedi apparently and Poe is instantly YOU WAN SUM FUK
>>223350434>gets his arm chopped off>forcemogged by an old leprechaun dude who can’t even talk right >rescued in the end by daddy You’ll never be a woman OP
>>223353979>I recognized your foul stench when you were brought on board also my simp nigger friend won't stop talking about wanting to fuck you
>>223350763 The boys back home would find the creatures lairs then throw in a homemade stun grenades.Then while they could not fight back they would "bullseye" them. Happens a lot on isolated desert worlds.
>>223350434It's not like he took out the Death Star with his amazing dogfighting skills. He was escorted there and had to be bailed out on the way to taking his shot at the exhaust port. The amazing thing he did was hitting that shot, not flying his X-Wing really well.>held his own against Vaderlol
>>223353462You didn’t do nothing with the tits? lol
>>223353927Then shes not a Mary Sue, the point of such a self-insert is so you can smooch the real characters
>>223350434Nah he got mogged by some snow yeti
>>223350528>>223350583proof that the ugliest of fat, revolting hogs will be accepted by brainless titfags
>>223354297The two male leads in the sequel trilogy both want to smooch her, but I get that they're also fanfic-tier characters so it doesn't really apply. Fair point.
>>223354191This is a T-16 though, seems like it would be a tough shot to make
>>223350864>He's not even a fully trained Jedi and he manages to fight with Vader to an even trade for longer than even Obi-Wan managed it in ANH. Luke's power is on full display and you see why the Emperor fears him, you can see his potential in the fight even though he loses.Vader is toying with Luke the entire time on account of wanting to turn his son instead of killing him. Just how dense are you? Maybe you didn't actually watch the movie at all?
>>223354339Well, okay, if the self-insert and your OCs of your crushes supplant the real characters it can countIm not going to watch the Sequels ever
>>223354528>Im not going to watch the Sequels everObjectively the correct choice.
Luke's not a female though so instead of being a Mary Sue he's just a fag
>>223354295i mean i squeezed the hell out of them and sucked them, but the sex was still not great
>Leia is a Mary Sue Bitch gave young boys boners for miles with that fucking slave bikini
>>223353657To be fair the character who said that shit is a whack a do schizo with a chip on her shoulder who seethes about everything, if she just fucked Wyl she probably wouldn’t be trying to kill herself all the time
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>>223350864>he manages to fight with Vader to an even trade for longer than even Obi-WanVader was toying with him because he wasn't trying to kill him, but Luke definitely got in some good hits that Vader wasn't expecting. Vader was overly confident and underestimated him. He learned fairly quickly, however.I like this thread. It'll probably die before 300 posts because it's good and not trash.
>>223352573>Calling Rey a Mary Sue is accusing the sequels of being fan-fictionThey are. And not even good fan-fiction
>>223350434>leftist mentally ill hypoteticsyeah no thanks, I'm fine
>>223353838What you don't see is the entire obstacle course, it's cross fit
>>223354338As if ass fags won't fuck the most disgusting, gelatinous and bulbous shit snipper that wobbles like it has cake mix inside.
I think Luke's glowup to Knight level that happens off screen between Empire and Jedi is the closest to Mary Suedom he gets as a character. He comes back in Jedi and you're just supposed to accept whatever adventures he's had in the meantime he's come quite a long way from novice. In Star Wars Luke's already a fighter pilot. The US Air Force literally named one of their training exercises after the sort of flying Luke offhandedly mentions he does because it's really high level shit. In Empire Vader is basically just fucking with him and could have killed him at any moment if that was his goal.
>>223358852Han says Luke just has delusions of grandeur. And when Luke says "then I am a Jedi" after being told he needs no more training, Yoda corrects him that no, he has to confront Vader again first. Only then will he become a Knight. He becomes a Knight arguably when he stares down Sheev and Sheev is forced to admit that so be it, Luke is a Jedi after all.
>>223358852>The US Air Force literally named one of their training exercises after the sort of flying Luke offhandedly mentions he doesThey do? What exercise?
>>223350720Kill yourself.>>223350434You too, fucking faggot.
>>223350434shut up and show me them titties
>>223358876Han doesn't know what he's missed. To the viewer it's plane as day that Luke's capacity for personal combat has come a very long way since Empire. And I said Knight Level on purpose not Knight. The latter is a formalism. >>223358890The low altitude run they do through death valley is called "star wars canyon" at least informally.
>>223350434He was an accomplished pilot. And Vader mogged and maimed him
