Why does he always job to Dooku?
>>223435578According to Legends, Dooku went out of his way to master an old school style of combat designed specifically for winning duels. So as a result, he could style on literally anybody in the galaxy with a lightsaber short of three people: Yoda, Mace Windu, and Palpatine.And according to Palpatine's master Plagueis, Dooku was well within the ballpark of being able to take Sheevy boy in a duel too. Anakin only beat Dooku because all the duel styles in the world won't beat somebody who unga bunga's you and smashes all your parries and blocks with sheer strength.
>>223435578His form. Obi-wan changed his form to Soresu after Qui-gon died because Soresu is defensive and effective against aggressive forms like Maul's Juyo. That's why the high ground mattered so much to Obi-wan because Anakin was using Djem So. Dooku's form is Makashi and uses precision strikes that are effective in duels. It's pretty much fencing.
There's an appalling stench of nerd-sweat coming off this thread.
>>223435578prob to show anakin's growth when they face him in the third flick
>>223435716And I'm still not going to shower.
>>223435578obi wans form was defensive mastery, dooku studied and mastered an ancient form exclusively designed to fight jedi. basically obi wan was too passive that even a 85 year old man could beat him
>>223435608>because all the duel styles in the world won't beat somebody who unga bunga's you and smashes all your parries and blocks with sheer strength.But that is the exact opposite of Dooku, man. He is a fencer. Obi-wan just stands there on the defense and gets poked. Anakin, Windu, Maul, and Palpatine use unga bunga. You could argue Yoda did too but just in a different way by using agility instead of strength which is the same thing Obi-wan was using in episode 1.
dooku consistently had the high ground (he was taller than obi wan)
>>223435783Oh I misread, my bad. You're right.
>>223435716yeah it was once fun to have discourse about Star Wars
>>223435578Dooku was one of the best duelists and could hold his own against Yoda, which was rare to see.Anakin beat him through the advantage of youth and sheer force, which his fighting style Form V specifically makes use of.
>>223435608>So as a result, he could style on literally anybody in the galaxy with a lightsaber short of three people: Yoda, Mace Windu, and Palpatine. This really annoys me. What right do any of those fags have to be better than the one guy who autistically dedicated decades of his life to getting really good at duelling other Jedi? Especially Yoda who is an elderly green midget and probably hasn't been in a real fight for a century. It's fine in a movie but if you expand on it, Dooku just seems like a dumb jobber. Come on people, let the bad guys actually be threatening.
>>223435917Neither Yoda nor Sidious should have been shown as swordsmen at all. What they should have both been able to do is crush any glowstick-twirler without lifting a finger.
Hmmmm, maybe there is some interesting, thought provoking thematical issue here? Obi-Wan's flaw of character, a mental block, perhaps?>look in the threadOh, nevermind. He just skilled a poor "lightsaber form" (fanfiction shit that was never mentioned in the movies btw), which happens to be hard countered by Dookie. Just like my hecking anime and videogames!God, Star Wars is garbage for retarded manchildren. Low IQ goyslop created and perpetuated for the sole purpose of selling toys.
>>223435578How did Obi Wan defeat Darth Maul at the end of Episode 1 despite Maul having the high ground?
>>223435982While I think Yoda hopping around with Ataru is a little cringe I think Palpatine's lightsaber fights are great. Dude is clearly always having so much fun just wailing on the shitters despite being a decrepit old man on a quest for immoral life.
>>223436032>getting dunked on by nerds and seething about ityou sound like an angry virgin with no friends.
>>223436032powerscalefags are the worst thing to happen to nerd culture bar none. the best way ive heard it described is>rock beats scissors>scissors beats paper>therefore rock beats paper
>>223436066No, I do have friends. And we once discussed the finer philosophies of Star Wars, not your wretched fanlore drivel. But that was long ago, when a superior generation was running the show, when we saw what truly mattered in these once glorious franchises.
>>223435578watch the clone wars cartoon and read the dooku books and obi wan comic
>>223436084yea you're 100% a seething friendless autistic virgin and coping about it lmao.
>>223436084You sound real fun dude
>>223436032It's quite visible in the movies. Notice how in episode 1 Obi-wan was doing flips and shit like Yoda? Notice how Dooku stands like a fencer to the point he even keeps a hand behind his back? It wasn't all fleshed out but it was there.
>>223436084>No, I do have friends.Highly doubt it. If you actually had friends who cared about Star Wars, you'd be watching them all together with Wookieepedia open laughing at the deep lore of every background character you see.
>>223435608Why doesn't everyone learn the style that makes you win? They learn styles designed to not win? Are they stupid?
>>223436411Obi Wans style wins eventually, from a certain point of view.
>>223435578Scottish ancestry, always job to englishmen.
>>223436032youre kinda right but it's a bit hard to convey that they're using different styles in a way that is super obvious, unless you go the anime route of the guys announcing "masaka, he's using THAT technique?" every few seconds
>>223436841Obviously I've always been disappointed that the Jedi failed to announce the style they were about to use by calling its name.
>>223436821I wouldn't count on it.
>>223435578Who cares? The true Star Wars trilogy:-The Holiday Special-Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure-Ewoks: The Battle of Endor
>>223435917>Dooku just seems like a dumb jobberThat's quite literally the reason Lucas created him lol
>>223435578Don't be a fool! Do you have ANY idea how high Count Dookie's powerlevel is? It's pretty high, like in the Billions, if not higher! Christopher Lee didn't even need special CGI effects for the scenes when he casts Sith Lightning he could actually do that irl it's called 11/10 casting
>>223435608Forms are so fucking gay and retarded. In real life nobody uses memorized techniques in a fight and there's literally no such thing as one fighting technique being better than another one when it all comes down to weight class and the person's reaction time.
>>223437590how many sword fights u have been in anon ?
>>223435608Come on, Dooku couldn't beat Sheev. I refuse to believe that.
>>223437918Not comparable to lightsabers in the slightest. There is literally no weight to them, you have to compare martial arts instead.
>>223438011>I WILL MAKE HIM LEGAL!
Dooku is just a better duelist with so much more experience Obi-wan is still really high up there
>>223435578Ultimately it comes down to Obi-wan having average Force Sensitivity, which limits how much he can do. His mastery of Soresu and intelligence allowed him to punch above his weight and defeat dumb, impatient prodigies like Anakin but he doesn't stand a chance against experienced smart prodigy Force users like Dooku
>>223438011>Have you tried spinning?Does Sheev actually say this in some deleted scene or book I'm unfamiliar with?
>>223438391No, but it's clear by RotS that he learned what a good trick it was from Anakin at some point.
>>223435982I kind of agree. It's pretty goofy that these guys with precognition powers just use them to for fucking sword fighting and moving rocks around.
>>223436411Probably better to train at styles good against the variety they're up against than a very specific antiquidated fencing style Dooku happens to have trained a long time on. It's basically sending m4 carbines against an old but effective Whitworth precision rifle, whereas Anakin just happened to possess anti-material power.
>>223436411Jedi train for defense, deflection, protection. Not to kill their enemies.
could obiwan have had a show on par with andor, or no? i didn't get past the first 2 episodes of obiwan because it was dogshit but i wonder how much they could even cover.
>>223439313No. Everything interesting about his story has already been done by the movies.
>>223435578dooku was the master of obi wan's master, and obi wan was very by the books so it would be easy for someone like dooku to understand every move he was going to pull and counter itit's the same reason why obi wan beat anakin, he knew all his moves and how to deal with them, but only managed to win when anakin did something reckless
>>223436039obi wan had the moral high ground maul also didn't know how to counter that move, obi wan proclaiming he has the high ground in rots is a warning, telling anakin he knows the only move he could try and that it's a bad idea, because he's done it before and knows how to deal with it
>>223437590The forms would be better if they weren't treated so video gamey.
>>223439313He was meant to have lived as a hermit as a long time while Luke was growing up, and watch over Luke. We know nothing interesting happened with Luke before episode 4. So... Obi-Wan is just in his hut meditating with Qui-Gon's force ghost for 20 years and checking on Luke. I suppose we could watch him do his interior decorating.If you tried to do anything interesting with his series, you'd start contradicting the movies
>>223439313This version of obis show is very goodhttps://www.kaipattersonfilms.com/kenobi
>>223439313no, something that people don't understand is that the films already show everything important that happens to the main characters, the shit that happens in between is irrelevant although i do wish we got more info on what happened in between ep1 and ep2, along with the gap between ep4 and 5
>>223435578Jobbing to Dracula, who then gets wasted by Anakin within the span of a minute, then Obi is able hold Anakin off for half an hour and then beats him too, is fucking retarded. Lucas wanted his big battle between Obi and Anakin for the spectacle, but didn't really care about inconsistent strength of the characters over the course of the movies.
>>223439661Dooku has never fought Anakin before except for a few seconds when he tries to zerg rush him at the end of episode 2. While Obi-Wan has taught Anakin everything he knows and has fought with him in a million battles and probably practice sparred many times. Obi knew how to beat him
>>223439661real fighting isn't like dbz powerscaling obi wan being able to counter all of anakins moves makes sense because he trained himdooku being able to counter obi wan makes sense because he's his master's master and obi wan is very by the booksdooku losing to anakin makes sense because anakin is very much not by the books, and has more raw power than he was expecting
>>223435608>an old school style of combat designed specifically for winning duelsWhy weren't all dueling styles like this
>>223439992it leaves you open to blaster fire and is intended for single target fighting afaikit's useful in it's niche, but remember that the jedi hadn't fought sith in 1000 years by the time of aotc, so it not being popular isn't surprising
>>223440031...surprisingly good answer, thanks for your contribution anon
>>223436411Most Jedi only ever had to deal with blaster fire and the like and had never had to cross with another lightsaber user except in practice duels.If they all started training to deal with Dooku, they'd be less adept at dealing with the droid armies they were far more likely to face.
>>223438011Should I jerk off again?
>>223440031>the jedi hadn't fought sith in 1000 years by the time of aotc
>>223435578Dooku is a particularly bad match-up for Obi-Wan because his fighting style hard counters Obi-Wan's, plus he is still somewhat stronger in the force than Obi-Wan as of their final fight in Episode 3.
According to the Padawan handbook, the first thing anyone learns is healing. Yet I've never seen anyone in any of the Star Wars media healing anyone.
>>223440128erm, ki adi mundi covered this up so it didn't happen :)
>>223435608> Anakin only beat Dooku because all the duel styles in the world won't beat somebody who unga bunga's you and smashes all your parries and blocks with sheer strength.So how did Obi manage to hold off this absolute wrist-shattering strength that ignores all of your defenses? It didn't help him against the General or Maul. Both of them had Obi on the ropes and their duels, so what's Obi's secret?>Obi knows Anakin's fighting style so well that the bone crushing hits from Anakin that Obi blocks repeatedly just don't work against him for reasons
>>223439992Not all lightsaber forms were created specifically for dueling, a good chunk of the time since modern lightsabers were invented were times of mostly peace, where most combat Jedi would face outside of training and cerimonial occasions would be against thugs using blasters. Form 3 specifically, which is Obi-Wan's style, is a mostly defensive form that was invented specifically because the first 2 forms weren't designed with the Jedi's peace-keeping duties and defense against blasters in mind. Other styles were also created for more general use, having techniques and stances for specific situations, most notably, Form 5, which is Anakin's style, has two distinct variations, one aimed for blaster deflection and general use, called Shien, and another designed specifically to be a heavy parry-counter centric form used in lightsaber duels, called Djem-so. In times of actual constant conflict with other lightsaber wielders, such as in the old Sith-Wars, the Jedi would mostly just adapt and optimize their styles for dueling. Sith were mostly the ones that typically were more dueling-minded, preferring syles like form 2 Makashi, Dooku's style, Djem-so and specially Juyo, the 7th form which was believed to be created by the Sith and it was designed to channel the users's emotions to fuel a flurry of constant offensive moves.
>>223439279Ironically Dooku's style sucks at deflecting blaster bolts and he'd get ordered 66'd quicker than you can say kid fister
>>223435608https://voca.ro/1ddYRLNkrjHf
>>223440128Either way the Sith/evil wizards in general are so few in number that Jedi would be worse off prioritizing how to fight against other laser swords.
>>223440948yeah, afaik there were only around 10,000 jedi in the time of tpm in a galaxy of trillions meeting a jedi was something extremely rare unless you were a diplomat, and even then it wouldn't be very often
>>223440185This is Sheev using force heal on Anakin
>>223440371>so what's Obi's secret?He's not the most powerful but he is focused and defends until the other person makes a mistake, then he exploits the mistake
>>223441509Yes... Yes... Now we'll send you to the Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center.
>>223440185>>223441509>>223441622And this is Obi-Wan using force heal on Luke after he got shanked by Tusken Raiders. You know that Ring Theory guy was totally right, there's a complimentary scene for almost every ring pairing scene. It really is poetry, and it really does rhyme.
>>223440371Obi Wan wasn’t one handing his sword like a pretentious faggot
>>223435783>Obi-wan just stands there on the defense andpoint to ONE instance one moment in the films that demonstrates Obi Wan is more "defensive" than any other lightsaber user. hint: you cant. >You could argue Yoda did too butyoda doesnt have a fucking "lightsaber form". he's a small green man that jumps around a lot.
>>223441509Why didn't Obi use Force Heal on Anakin? He already took his limbs off and he can't hope to fight anymore with third degree burns. Just load his nugget body up on a plane and send him to the hospital. Obi didn't have to just leave him there to die a slow, agonizing death>And he was a good friend
>>223435917Made Windu uses both sides of the force so he's also pretty haxor. Yoda and Palpatine are just born superior like Anakin, and I don't think they should even be lightsaber fighters but just overwhelm opponents with immense force crush and lightning and shit.
>>223441796>Made Windu uses both sides of the force so he's point to one moment in the film that demonstrates this
>>223441812Purple is a blend of blue and red
>>223435578Because he can’t die a tragic mentor death since we see him in the original series, but he can’t beat dooku every time or it would seem more like his story than Anakin’s. So like a good team player he jobs when the time is right.
>>223441749Well he should have just mercy killed him since he was "like a brother to me". But the entire reason the original trilogy happens is because the "good guys" of the prequel trilogy all fuck up in myriad ways. Obi-wan, Yoda, Mace Windu, they all drop the ball multiple times and completely fuck up
>>223437590Their entire system of fighting is how Obi-Wan described it, they were "gentlemanly" and that included the Sith they fought. That's why they put no significant force behind their swings and why they eschewed firearms. Thats the actual reason, if someone not thinking like that just swung as hard as they could every time theyd get their sabers knocked out of their hands.Dooku was like 75 years old, tall and very thin, he probably weighed like 155 lbs and he fought one handed.If Anakin had swung like a complete lunatic, Dooku's sword would just get knocked out of his hand instantly. He would have no ability to match Anakin's strength and we see the blades transfer force when they touch each other. The blade is weightless, the person swinging it is not. The blades can touch each other, meaning they can transfer force.
>>223435917yoda has centuries of practice and experience, mace has some bullshit lightsaber form of his own that allows him to channel negative emotions without falling to the dark side, what I don't get is why palpatine had the be some amazing duelist as well instead of just a wizard
>>223441965dooku explained it in aotcwhen two force users are equally matched the fight becomes a stalematelightsabers are to break that stalemate, as eventually one of them will slip up
You know, people say Yoda is so powerful etc but if you think about it>Can't beat Dooku>Can't beat Sheev>Can't see the dark side conspiracyI mean he loses each time. He's overrated
>>223442456>forced dooku to retreat, prioritized saving lives in front of him over killing his opponent >had sheev on the back foot nearly the entire fight, only lost because of the environment fair enough on that last point, but he was cluing into it faster than anyone not named qui gon
>>223441863The pivotal problem was Yoda. He shit the bed and it caused a domino effect>Be Anakin>Have unsettling dreams about your wife dying>Obi's in them with her too but you aren't for some reason>The dream you had of your mother dying came true so there's no reason not to believe this one won't also>Go to Yoda for help because surely the ultimate Jedi teacher has the answers>He tells you to let your loved ones just die and it doesn't matter>What the fuck>Forced to deal with this on your own>You aren't really known for making good decisions>Predictably make multiple bad decisionsIf Yoda wasn't a huge dickhead and just helped the troubled young father like he should have, none of this would have happened
>>223442456People say the same thing about Grevious, who beat Obi-Wan so harshly Obi-Wan had to fall back on a gun and lost his sword to him.Grevious 1v1'd the guy who beat Anakin, who fought of Jango, and who killed Darth Maul. If Obi-Wan hadn't lucked out with a gun he didn't bring himself, Grevious would've won, but somehow George made him into a pussy or something.
>>223442456He loses the battles but he wins the war (that he also loses)
>>223442509>forced dooku to retreat, prioritized saving lives in front of him over killing his opponentDooku WANTED to retreat the entire time. He was going to his hanger to escape and fly away. Yoda's job was to stop him from retreating. Obi-Wan and Anakin tried this and failed. Yoda turns up:>Dooku defends against Yoda successfully>Dooku uses his environment in a way to make Yoda not able to capture himDooku outsmarts him and wins! Yoda was there fighting him... he could have thrown a rock into his ship or something. He had options. His job was to trap Dooku there.
>>223441744>point to ONE instance one moment in the films that demonstrates Obi Wan is more "defensive"Gee I don't know. The finale where he tells Anakin to not be an aggressive retard and just cuts him down after he doesn't listen?>yoda doesnt have a fucking "lightsaber form". he's a small green man that jumps around a lotWhich is literally the same thing Obi'wan does prior to the end of episode 1. It's literally the way of the hawk-bat and your dumbass should be able to understand why.
>>223441744>point to ONE instance one moment in the films that demonstrates Obi Wan is more "defensive" than any other lightsaber user. hint: you cant.NTA but my evidence is the entire final battle in episode 3 which if you watch it, shows Obi-Wan retreating the entire time and edging backwards. In fact the only time Obi-Wan is ever shown fighting aggressively the episode 1 fighting after Qui-Gon is killed, and that results in Obi falling into the pit
>>223442812And by the way, that flip Anakin did that got him cut down was the same shit Obi-wan did in episode 1 and what Yoda does.
>>223435578Dooku is the master of his master, by sheer experience alone Dooku shits on Obi and 99% of the Jedi
>>223435608>style of combat designed specifically for winning duelslike fucking all the guys who fight with swords?who writes this shit lol
>>223443065He's the master of his master's master and at this point Obi-wan was not fighting like Qui-gon anymore.
>>223443208Point being is that most people were not practiced in such things because nobody was ever having real lightsaber fights for centuries.
remember when obi-wan was constantly trying to fuck dooku's assassin?
>>223443248She was just a good friend.
>>223440106I guess he's referring to the sperms?
>>223443361indeed
>>223442955Maul was caught off-guard. Obi-Wan, having done it himself, saw it coming.
>>223435783>Obi-wan just stands there on the defense and gets poked. Anakin, Windu, Maul, and Palpatine use unga bunga.All wrong, although ill give you the fact that calling what Anakin does that, at least makes some sense as a joke. Windu, Sheev and Maul are all very controlled. Anakin is very controlled but hes not only insanely physically strong, he amplifies his own strength further with the force, and then apparently the prosthetic arm amplified his right hand/wrist strength EVEN further, so even though hes technically skilled hes also probably exerting at least twice or thrice the pure power that Dooku does. This furhter builds up into why post suit Vader is scary, because hes even stronger like some industrial device coming at you with a lightsaber, even if hes not as mobile
>>223436032>>223436841they are mentioned in the official novelization of ROTS approved by lucas and dooku literally shits himself when he realizes the two were merely pretending to use their old styles and suddenly switched to the ones they had picked up between the two movies, which is when the tide of the fight changes and he has to quickly disable obi wan or he wouldve died on the spot because he couldnt handle the two anymore
>>223441897>If Anakin had swung like a complete lunatic, Dooku's sword would just get knocked out of his hand instantly. He would have no ability to match Anakin's strength and we see the blades transfer force when they touch each other.That is what happened though, literally, save it only flying out of his hand after his hand came off too. He ran out of stamina deflecting powerstrikes and couldnt keep up anymore and his body basically gave in
>People say the same thing about Grevious, who beat Obi-Wan so harshly Obi-Wan had to fall back on a gun and lost his sword to him.>Grevious 1v1'd the guy who beat Anakin, who fought of Jango, and who killed Darth Maul. If Obi-Wan hadn't lucked out with a gun he didn't bring himself, Grevious would've won, but somehow George made him into a pussy or something.never seen grievous post on 4chan before but I have to say it looks pathetic, just for the record everyone saw the movie and obi wan literally cut 3 out of 4 hands off until grievous spidered away like a cockroach, and obi wan dropped his lightsaber into a schasm while chasing him down on some fucked up giant lizard monster
>>223443938grievous lost to gungans
>>223439540you fool, didn't you read the website???>Do not share these links publicly, so we can do our best to keep this edit out of the hands of movie pirates! Let’s use the Force for good, not evil! Remember, this is for Disney Plus subscribers ONLY!
>>223435578Obi was never the most powerful jedi to begin and is up against a guy who was a very refined swordsman, and likely knew all the tricks he did considering Dooku was the one who trained Qui-Gon
>>223435608>according to Palpatine's master PlagueisWait dooku was around then?Fuck the rule of two I guess
>>223443248when did that happen? all i remember assajj doing was ragebaiting anakin then falling into an abyss on yavin iv once he was sick of her shit
>>223445690the rule of two has some slack when it comes to unofficial apprentices dark side assassins are ok as long as they aren't being treated as a formal apprentice while the old master is still alive and ideally kept secret from said master, which is what maul started off as before being formally trained dooku was an adhoc apprentice, only there to fill the void left by maul's gap while sheev looked for a better apprentice than an old man, but he was still useful assajj was to be dooku's apprentice if he had managed to overthrow sheev, but dooku was too public with assajj and sheev was too smart to ever give him an opening
>>223435608Because Lucas IS a hack and what meager pretense of a plot demands it.
>>223435578Dooku trained prime Grievous.
>>223437590>Forms are so fucking gay and retarded. In real life nobody uses memorized techniques in a fightHalf of martial arts training is repeating the same movements over and over until they become reflex via muscle memory, retard. This is also why kata is a thing and has been for over 200 years. >no such thing as one fighting technique being better than another one Striking and jujitsu, retard.
>>223443248We don't watch or recognize The Clone Wars here, zoomer.
>>223446391every scene with greivous was cool in genndywars, even the more mundane ones like that
>>223446466Lol so THATS where you fucking prequeltrannies draw the line? You're fine with 3 HORRENDOUSLY AWFUL prequel films, but a TV show based on those films isn't even acknowledged. Wow. Also Ahsoka is an objectively more interesting character than any of the "characters" in the prequel films.
>>223446501Good try.
>>223446501tcw wrecks the prequels with constant continuity errors and characters acting oocreal prequelchads recognize the cwmmp as the one true clone warsahsoka can exist as someone else's exotic teenage alien apprentice
>>223435882Yeah people never mention it but Dooku did better in a pure lightsaber duel against Yoda than Sheev did
>>223446657If Ahsoka should exist at all, she should have been a childhood friend to Anakin in a show about him growing up in the order, if they REALLY wanted that dumb sibling angle.Introducing Ahsoka to flesh her out during an active war was a super retarded idea.
>>223438011Am I gonna pass my exam on the 6th?
>>223446823amusingly enough, barriss was originally anakin's jedi friend that was around his age before tcw retconned her into being a few years younger, ahsoka's friend, and a terrorist
>>223443208Becuase Jedi by then are only trained for killing droids and retard criminals/militia types? I know it's autistic but it is vaguely justified no one trained their whole lives for the CHANCE they'd go toe to toe with a lightsaber and what they'd be up again. It's like saying WHY ARENT ALL COPS TRAINED IN SWORD COMBAT? Because why the fuck would they?
