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>>223456740
it's already been done

I’d have a picture of Mao Zedong on screen for 2 hours with Communist propaganda blasting so loud that viewers are bordering on physical pain.

>>223456845
that may not land with modern audiences

>>223456740
How come he didn’t take on why Europe had more cargo than Asia

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>>223456740
I got memed into buying two copies of this book, unsure of when I got the first, and I've still not read it years later. I've only heard bad things about it; though I thought the little I do know about it sounded interesting, apparently it's demonstrably wrong in a lot of assertions.

I don't even like non-fiction.

>>223456740
film a retarded guy writing for a book for 90 min

>>223456740
They already adapted it.
It's called Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022).

>>223456946
Some details are wrong but the general idea is correct--some civilizations simply have geographic advantages that allow them to leap ahead and dominate.

>>223457076
Close, it's more like genetic advantages.

>>223457267
To a point. A bunch of smart people living in a shit hole won't invent steel. Also, I think some advantages, like IQ, matter more after a significant amount of technology has been invented.
But then you could also just look at Europe. Why did the Brits consistently beat France in the Empire game? Because the Brits lived on an island that allowed them to focus on their navy. If the island was too small, they wouldn't have the resources. If the island was too big, you'd need a much bigger army to defend yourself.

>>223456740
why would you? it's completely wrong.

>>223457497
>A bunch of smart people living in a shit hole won't invent steel.
of course they will. the bongs did. your whole argument is mute and you look gay and retarded

>>223457542
kek I literally explained why the bong's island was a great. You're a retard.

>>223457591
it's a literal shithole

>>223457542
>mute
ESL

>>223457706
>How come Europe's population exploded when they brought over the terrible hard-to-grow low calorie the siberian-americans had to work with like potatoes and corn?
uhm, what?

>poltards still mad because it doesn't reduce everything to genetics and wacky 19th century pseudoscience

>>223457855
it also annoys libtards because it explains European dominance by geography and not because white people are inherently evil.

>>223457935
Yeah, I've noticed that too, it fucks with their "it's all about muh oppresshun" answer for everything

>>223457516
What's wrong about it?

>>223457565
>Fecaloid cope

>>223458074
>the way the world is designed intentionally
such as?

wow the poltard finally tries something new

>>223456946
>apparently it's demonstrably wrong
it's not. It's just /pol/cels seething

>>223457267
you haven't read the book and it shows

/pol/tards were wrong about most things. The racist "scientists" were also wrong. Cold winters theory is basically dead already.

>>223458148
My post was unclear. I intended to say that these people invent ad hoc justifications purposefully to avoid alternative conclusions like racism. Jared Diamond is on record about this. The entire reason he wrote GGS and came up with the idea was to find an alternative explanation to race realism.

>When I set out to write Guns, Germs and Steel I wasn't trying to prove anything, but I was trying to answer a question; the biggest question of history – why history unfolded differently on the different continents over the last 13 thousand years and the usual answer to this question is the answer that racists come up with; they say its because some people are superior to other people. What we found is that the answer doesn't have anything to do with people and it has everything to do with people's environments.

>>223458270
that's not what that quote means. And second he did prove it, so what's your point exactly?

>>223457994
Consider the case of Malaysia and Singapore. Singapore was kicked out of Malaysia in the 60s and was left as a poor, third-world state beset with communist infiltrators from mainland China.

Nowadays Singapore ranks higher than Malaysia in almost every quality metric. Better education, life expectancy, GDP per capita, and so on, despite almost no natural resources to speak of. Why? Because Singapore is predominantly Chinese.
The nicest parts of Malaysia are wherever the Chinese Malaysian population is concentrated, with everywhere else an abject hovel.

>>223458321
No one says you can't transfer wealth and build something great somewhere else.
It's only about why advanced civilization developed in certain places to begin with. From there, human meddling can lead to all kinds of results.

>>223457076
>>223457267
>nature vs nurture
>genes vs environment
The answer is always both. Genes are shaped by the environment over generations. In an individual, genes and environment shape who you are. Its like the shitbulls. Retards say the owners are solely to blame for pitbull violence, not the dog's genes. But it was other owners who selectively bred them to be violent pit fighting dogs. They were in a breeding environment that selectively bred aggressive genes, it was both their environment and their genes.
Humans aren't so different

>>223458186
This book is considered a meme even among mainstream historians

>>223457994
That people who need to be told not to sniff petrol out of can are genetically smarter than Europeans

>>223456740
>Makes every side of the political axis seethe uncontrollably

How did he do it?

if you can't domesticate buffalos you can't complain when someone conquers you

>>223458313
He didn't prove it. He came up with an unfalsifiable theory which aggregates an enormous number of factors so that a unique configuration among winners and losers can always be found and held up as the true explanation. You can look at continents running east-to-west instead of north-to-south or domesticable animals or mosquitoes or whatever you want. That's why it's an ad hoc justification. Just because something *seems* to explain a phenomena doesn't mean it's an accurate representation of the underlying mechanisms. You know, like how geocentrism wasn't correct even though it seemed to have explanatory power. Except geocentrism could make future predictions where GGS cannot. So the only reason to support GGS is because you like what it says regardless. Why would you like what it says? Ideology.

as a comedy mockumentary

>>223458448
He never said that

>>223458498
Yes he did. Papuans are smarter than whites because they remember all the plants that are edible and can survive in the wild. And the fact that they spent centuries killing each other means the advantage is evolutionary. It's all in the preface lol

>>223458534
Dumb fuck retard. The conclusion is they are "smart" not "smarter"

>>223457752
There were millions of people in South America prior to the Europeans showing up, population wasn't the reason they lost. They lost because of plague, European technological advantage, internal instability (the Inca were in a full scale civil war when the Spanish came), cultural arrogance (no one would dare to just set a trap and grab our emper-ACK!), and the fact that they used tactics designed for capturing prisoners for sacrifice rather than just killing them.

>>223458577
Not according to Jared. He said they are smarter

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How does geographic determinism explain Industrial Revolution started in England and not Moldova

>>223457497
Britain conquered like 30% the world and France conquered 25%. It’s not some huge gap

>>223458372
You have to concede that if your theory can't be adapted to modern countries then there are aspects to societal development it's not appropriately modelling.

Even race realists can explain events in the 20th century and make predictions about the future based on international IQ scores.

>>223457752
Europe was a massive old growth forest until Europeans chopped it down and turned it into farm land. Brazil is doing it now. No reason Indians couldnt have done it 1000 years ago.

>>223458605
>population wasn't the reason they lost
They lost because the vast majority of their population had to farm to feed themselves, instead of doing stuff like inventing and building ships. Because they had shitty farms with no draft animals or advanced tools.
I think you need to actually read the book or watch the miniseries.

>>223458794
They had priests, nobles, and a whole leisure classes that wasn't farming you gayass.

>>223458674
My goal was never to universally apply GG&S. I'm just pointing out it isn't incorrect wholesale.
You got mfers in this thread providing one counter example like it disproves everything.
It'd be discarding Newton's kinematic equations because they don't explain how subatomic particles work.
Sure one day they might be obsolete, but until then they have some use.

>>223458794
You’re assuming that the methods that Europeans developed are the only methods to improve yields on a farm.
The thing about having a higher IQ is that IQ acts as a general purpose problem solving tool. If they were smart enough they’d find solutions that don’t involve draft animals or steel.
Europeans had high IQs which allowed them to innovate. Of course they used the resources that were at hand, but that doesn’t mean those solutions are a unique set and that no other possible technology could have accomplished the same outcomes.

>>223458820
I said "vast majority" not "all" you faggot.
European society had more of those "specialists" and so could develop faster.

>>223456740
Isn't this just all the historical movies put together?

Guns: The Quick and The Dead, American Sniper, Young Washington
Germs: Aguirre: The Wrath of God, 1492, The Mission, Contagion (its so good that its basically 2020 history)
Steel: Conan The Barbarian, The Deer Hunter, Steel (1933), The Blacksmith (Buster Keaton with beautiful images), Kingdom of Heaven, The Sword in the Stone

>>223458886
>European society had more of those "specialists"
Based on fucking what

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>>223456946
>Its demonstrably wrong
In some parts, yeah I guess it gets a little too lefty and "brown people great" contradicting itself in the end. Also it ignores culture wich does play an important role no matter what the historical determinists keep saying. HOWEVER that still doesnt mean the central thesis is wrong (it isnt), its also an great entryway into the philosophy of historical/geographic determinism, a philosophy that, depite its flaws, can explain about 80% of human history correctly.

You shouldnt believe /pol/ about wich books are good anon... they are demonstrably wrong about every 15 seconds. Just read a lot of different things and make up your own thoughts.

>>223458883
There are some things that don't have a substitution.

>>223458719
even an european old growth forest is still orders of magnitude more manageable than some swampy rainforest. its not even in the same ballpark.

old forest is usually just a question of managing wood growth and wildlife, which, because of the varying seasons, has times where its easier to do so. it can be pruned and kept tidy with pre-industrial means and europeans did so over thousands of years. also because of population pressure because this becomes a positive feedback loop.
and the land itself becomes useful because the soil is fertile, you get firewood and building material, and agricultural land. it will only grow back slowly.

rainforest on the other hand is literal hell for humans. theres literally daily rain which turns most of it into a damp swamp, the soil is completely empty and cant be used for anything useful. water and drainage patterns let this shit flood regularly. its 90 degrees and 90% humidity anyways so you cant even live on the land. and this stuff grows all year and will grow back fast. fire is less useful because of the moisture issue, all the animals are deadly and venomous, and the wood itself is largely useless because its not firewood, but moist and "leafy"
theres a reason why pre-industrial societies largely avoided rainforests, its because they are a huge pain in the ass and unmanageable. they're not regular woods, they're basically deserts in terms of usefulness to humans

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>>223458794
>"I think you need to actually read the book or watch the miniseries."

You're the type of mid-wit who believes that the very act of reading is what imparts knowledge instead of having to put in actual fucking effort internalizing what you read.
I would bet serious money you never even read the book and just like how it makes you feel like "science" supports you.

>>223458910
They had more productive farms so one dude could feed lots of people. Those peeps innovate, the farm becomes more efficient, and so on.
It's a loop

>>223458927
Unprovable claim.

>>223458794
Do you really think that in the 1500s most Europeans weren't still peasant farmers? Are you retarded?

>>223458943
>all of South America is a swamp
Not true. Next argument.

>>223458953
If I never read the book then how come I'm able to explain the things different anons got wrong about it?
You got one mfer in here thinking that South Americans having priests is a problem without realizing Diamonds went on at length about farming productivity and what the means for supporting a population of specialists.
Yeah he got plenty wrong, but no one in this thread has brought up any of that yet.

>>223458943
You know what you don't have to deal with in rainforests? 3+ months a year where everything is freezing and there's no obvious source of food. There are pluses and minuses wherever you live.

>>223458605
Hearing about how the entire inca nation was destroyed by literally like 25 Spaniard bumpkins was fucking mind boggling.

>>223459097
Yeah in those freezing climates ol whitey had to bring their farm animals inside their own homes. This is how whitey built the immunizations to the diseases they gave to South Americans thousands of years later.

>>223459000
Well we are dealing with a "soft" science here. There are limits. I have my beliefs. Of course I don't think GSS is universally applicable, but I still think it has use. Of course there are genetic differences, but geography also plays a role.
Native Americans were destined to die from plague because Europeans had infectious diseases because of their farm animals. A genetic difference in IQ can't alter that.

>>223459027
as a % of the land area of the entire continent, the amazon rainforest is bigger than the sahara desert in africa, both completely useless for the people living there.
south america also has the issue of the andes, which is another low-yield agricultural region, and a shit geographical feature for water and rain patterns, drying the entire pacific half of the continent out and killing any chance of significant agriculture there. the rivers are way too shallow and unpredictable, and full of overgrowth, so river navigation and the corresponding jumpstart for civilization this can have, like in mesopotamia and egypt, is off the table as well.

south america is just a loser geographically speaking and its the main reason why there were barely any pre-columbian civilizations there. you may think that its roughly similar to europe or china in a map, but its just so much worse by every metric. the people there never had a chance to form any kind of advanced pre-industrial society. the game was rigged.

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>>223459097
3 months of winter is a small drawback when you have fertile soil to make enough food for the year.
and a rainforest is not a free source of food either, theres poison and disease everywhere.
you cant just pick fruits off the tree as you go, those crops didnt exist back then.

its honestly A LOT easier for pre-industrial people to deal with wolves and 3 months of cold winter, than with mosquitoes and 90 degrees all year round. this is the main reason civilization sprung up in places like europe, the middle east and china first, because its simply a much better spot to get this going.

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>>223459117
Most of those diseases came from trade with the East, you retard. There are many accounts in ancient history of devastating plagues reaching Europe and decimating the population, that's where the immunity came from.

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>>223456740
libs doing all kinds of mental gymnastics to come with all kinds of retarded mental models instead of just accepting the obvious facts that whites are more intelligent and faustian than anyone else.

>>223458321
Oh shit, now I understand part of the anger: the book exposed how chinese could've conquered the world two thousand years ago but they threw it all away because of palace politics. The Great Dragon made to look silly and enslaved by a plant.

>>223459264
Why didn't Native Americans have diseases to decimate the Europeans and Asians back?

>>223459265
And the russian shill admits this is another protected pol thread

>>223456740
How much more defeated do White people need to be?

>>223456740
All of the core arguments in this book are debunked by now

>>223459132
Injuns had the whole continent of South America as well as central and North America. And all the islands. They weren’t isolated to the Andes and Amazon rainforest with some magic force field. This is like saying Europeans shouldn’t have thrived because parts of Sweden and Norway and Russia are in the Arctic tundra and there are the alps.

>>223459264
>came from trade with the East
So why didn't the Native Americans trade with the east? Oh right they didn't have access.
>There are many accounts in ancient history of devastating plagues reaching Europe and decimating the population, that's where the immunity came from.
Why didn't devastating plagues reach the Native Americans allowing them to develop an immunity? Oh right, they had no animals to domesticate to allow for disease transfer.
You see, it still comes to geography.
Did Europeans get their diseases from their farm animals, or from Asian farm animals via trade? Who knows. It would be good to know, but it being one of the other doesn't disprove the hypothesis.

>>223459201
There were civilizations prior to the Aztecs, Mayas, and Incas you know, and like that other anon said not all of South America is fucking rainforest. And if geographical determinism was really the primary factor then wouldn't it make sense for the major civilizations at the time of the Spanish conquest to be situated in North America rather than South? Since, there's none of those horrible rainforests up there.

>>223459341
>as well as central and North America.
Do you know how difficult it is to walk to North America from South America? This greatly limits trade opportunities
>build a boat!
Still not as easy as just walking, which Asians and Europeans could do to gain access to more opportunities.

>>223457076
Geograph differences and local floa/fauna of course make a huge difference, but thats a moot point and doesnt explain what the book is trying to explain. People can move and develop technology and wisdom to make suboptimal environments work. Also, we can still see today how different types of people will be at different levels of success, even when they live in the exact same region

>>223459268
It's strange how you people speak as though it's the 1800s. As though your own countries aren't undergoing a mass brownification while even the Chinese scratch their heads and wonder what's up with the self-loathing, mentally ill Westerners. At any rate, the people who look silly today aren't Chinese.

>>223459395
Geographic determinism would suggest that civilizations would dominate North America before going down to South America, since according to retards in this thread it is 100% full of rainforests down there (it isn't).

It's mostly location. Europeans were very lucky.

>>223457565
So it was pretty smart of them to learn to survive in colder environments. Actually putting work into it, instead of stagnating

>>223457603
Because of you ranjeet

>>223456822
these chinese guys learned that jared diamond is a woke retard, the hard way

>>223459430
North America did have a flourishing civilization with growing cities. Who knows where they would've ended up? But they had a date with small pox.

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>>223459460
>North America did have a flourishing civilization with growing cities

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>>223459395
Well at some point north and South America come together so it’s literally as difficult as taking a single step.

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>>223459460
>flourishing civilization with growing cities

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>>223459460
They had nothing equivalent to what South America/Mexico had (assuming by North America you mean the various Plains Indian tribes and aren't referring to the Aztecs). The Aztecs/Maya/Inca developed massive civilizations in terrain that, according to geographical determinists, is inhospitable, meanwhile the much more hospitable terrain up north had much smaller civilizational groupings. It's almost like geographical determinism is retarded, and that geography is simply on factor in a civilization's development. An important factor to be sure, but just one of many.

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>>223459460
Even without that, they were already way behind their conquerers in pretty much every single aspect.

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>>223459522
>geography is simply on factor in a civilization's development
Agreed. GSS isn't completely wrong, which was my initial post in this thread.

>>223459395
going by boat is easier. thats why people live on coasts, not inland

>>223459527
8/10 i replied

>>223459430
I mean not 100% obviously, but it is pretty much a small strip of very dry land, mountains and then rainforrest all the way to the other coast.

How does it explain the Chinese being overwhelmingly superior to the Europeans until for the first centuries until they just stagnated and got left behind?

>>223458321
Singapore is also just 1 city

>>223456740
based anon
that's an EXCELLENT book

>>223459437
They werent lucky. They purposefully went there and made it work

>>223459620
The Emperor burned all the ships because the merchant class was getting too powerful.
GSS talks about where civilization will develop, and not what said civilization will endeavor to do.

>Diamond was born on September 10, 1937 in Boston, Massachusetts, to Ashkenazi Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe.

>>223459620
They weren't. There's maybe 500-700 years when the Chinese were superior.

>>223457565
Da skeetas always be tryna hol a brotha down

>>223458864
Chinese are higher IQ than native Malaysians

This has been a great thread. I changed my mind about some things, but also reinforced my beliefs on other things.
It was good to go over some of this stuff again and refresh myself.
I hope you all had a similarly stimulating experience.

>>223458270
>>When I set out to write Guns, Germs and Steel I wasn't trying to prove anything, but I was trying to answer a question
>Simply asking questions, just a curious truth seeker, we're all just along for the same ride on this crazy rock in space, mannnnn
>Pisses on your leg
>Asks where rain comes from

>>223459559
But it is because it’s central argument is that geographic advantages are sufficient to explain different outcomes between the races of humans.

>>223459620
british people were smarter in the past due to accidental eugenics and have since declined

>>223459681
literally only thing you can say about where civilizations will develop is that it will happen where there's enough food to do so. which is like saying that human civilizations definitely wouldn't have developed on the moon. not a profound insight.

>>223458452
Simply pretended to be retarded

>>223459846
It's not really about races.

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>>223457565
malaria used to be an issue in europe. st petersburg was quite famously built on top of a swap full of mosquitoes and many of its constructors died to malaria.

>>223459864
north america is prime civilization real estate and never spontaneously generated one

>>223459890
Yeah, many people closely related to groups that created civilization never established their own one.

>>223456740
pathetic kike lies, anyone who could read this trash and not instantly realize it's just a seething jew defaming whites is a complete idiot

>>223458186
the book usually gets shit on over at >>>/lit/ whenever a thread is made and that's the least chuddy /pol/ board on here. Diamond makes the claim that AKCHUALLY Papuans are the smartest people on Earth, just ignore everything about them.

>>223459945
they just weren't closely related enough
the 0.1% genotypic variation must have included the genes for not being niggers

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>>223456740
>ITT: Dumb books for mid-wits

>>223459502
post more bailey

>>223459516
a middle aged british chud crossed it on his own

>>223457565
>had the cold not saved them
who could forget that the famously frigid Italian peninsula was mosquito free for all its history. Malaria was nicknamed "Roman fever" for some strange reason, there being no mosquitoes to spread malaria in the environs of Rome. Malaria was also endemic in southeastern England until the 17/1800's.

>>223456740
DUDE WHAT IF NIGGERS ARE ACTUALLY SUPER SMART AND IT'S JUST THAT THE LAND OF PLENTY THAT IS AFRICA SOMEHOW ISN'T CONDUCIVE TO ADVANCED CIVILIZATIONS

steve-o just saying shit like this to the camera for two hours

>>223460039
How can you live a normal life when all you do is hate Black people and justify racism? What did Black people ever do to you?

>>223460039
It's impossible to hate jews enough. He's such a snake that he changed his fucking name to Diamond to lie about being valuable.

>>223459213
Solution: Simply be immune to the propaganda

>>223460034
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO REMOVE THIS NOW HOW FUCKING DARE YOU KNOW BASIC HISTORY YOU FUCKING NAZI

>>223458943
>Great Plains are millions of acres of some of the most fertile soils on the planet
>natives never plant crops there
that pesky rainforest prevented them I guess.

>>223460092
Do you feel proud of yourself dehumanizing other human beings? Why are you so devoid of empathy?

>>223460092
Da great sky spirit tell red man no, you must not use seeds they big wampum medicine

>>223460061
> How can you live a normal life when all you do is hate Black people and justify racism?

That’s the thing— he doesn’t. The racism is usually an excuse to do nothing with life because an essential truth of the universe has been ignored, this allows anon to act smug and be terminally locked in that intrusive thought normal people get sometimes when things are going bad “ok I will simply not try or do anything for anyone ever again “

>when this kike is spamming bait over and over and everyone is just laughing at him
kekkkkk

>>223459395
>Do you know how difficult it is to walk to North America from South America?
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>>223459516
how did millions of south american spics and other third world scum walk from south of the Darien Gap to the United States when Biden was president? The pre-Columbian peoples didn't want to because there wasn't free shit for them on the other side?

>>223459478
>>223459502
Now there was an odd duck. Funny looking fella all along.

>>223460175
STOP POSTING THE OBVIOUS TRUTH THIS IS ILLEGAL YOU ARE REPORTED MY COUSIN IS A JUDGE YOU'RE IN BIG TROUBLE YOU TERRORIST

>>223459460
Plague wiped out the major Indian tribes before any WHITE person landed here.

>>223460116
I'm not dehumanizing anyone. I just think it's hilarious when people (eg. Jared Diamond) use geography as the major driver of human development, and just ignore glaringly obvious shit like the Great Plains and the thousands of miles of navigable rivers running through the GP and the rest of the United States.

>>223460220
No... it was a deliberate genocide to steal the continent from four thousand cavemen... you monster....

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>>223460258
>this is what the "master race" does in their free time

>>223460277
>brown is deathly jealous of clean running water

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>>223460116
I feel proud of the dehumanized white woman who after witnessing her baby swung into pulp on a tree and getting gangraped decided the best course of action was scalping her captors and escaping back to civilization

>>223460277
invent the combustion engine, rubber tires and automobiles (pickup trucks)?
nice.

>>223460321
Incredibly based

>>223456881
Did the zebras not freakout?

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>>223460277
Reminder that after 100K years of native browns doing absolutely nothing of note there, the white man's castoffs turned Australia into a first world country in a couple centuries

>>223460220
Where did the plague come from?

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>>223456740
Evolution is dumb and gay. That whole "20 million genetic differences in modern man from most recent common ancestor with chimps" number was pulled from comparing only 10% of the human genome, meaning it's closer to 200,000,000 differences. We have DNA from 5,000 year old human remains. You know what genetic differences there are between it and current year man? Zero. You know how many there should be on average, based on alleged 6m year common ancestor and how many differences between it and we there are? Over 160,000.
That's 33 new fixed genes in the species per year. Scientists are retards. Biologists are super retards.

>>223460429
That's not entirely fair cannibalism and ritual child murder are of note, they just don't result in any civilization except israel.

>>223460461
They're certainly retarded but pretending it's just stupidity is wrong, they are purposefully lying. You don't blackball Nobel prize winning scientists for going against the narrative just because you are stupid.

>>223460446
Contact with the rest of humanity, which was inevitable unless the entire Western Hemisphere was closed off like Sentinel Island. Btw the disease exchange between Old World and New World wasn't a one way street. Syphilis came from the New World to the Old World.

>>223460493
>Syphilis
oh wow, the civilization destroying syphilis! Please.
>Contact with the rest of humanity, which was inevitable unless the entire Western Hemisphere was closed off like Sentinel Island.
And why did one part of humanity have these diseases and the other did not? It's because of geography. Native Americans were destined to be genocided by plague and that had nothing to do with IQ differences. No matter how you slice it, some things are determined by geography.

>>223456912

Anon the reason is literally the title of the book, it even says so in the introduction..

What I wanna ask is how come Africans didn't gtfo Africa once they heard enough about their brethren travelling north and and then after thousands of year pass and they end up white due to evolution and melanin decreasing and also telling tales of the climate and other shit they found up there, that a mass migration didn't take place then? Like Africa is a shithole filled with dangerous predators and zero resources that are handy for people to live there. Am I missing something?

>>223456946

> I bought two copies by mistake
> I still haven't read it tho
> anyway it's mostly bs

>>223460558
>pilpul
brass bull yourself

>>223460558
You mean biology

>>223459720
>>Diamond
>.

>>223460595
Concession accepted

>>223460590
So will White Americans suddenly turn into injuns within the next thousands of years?
Or African migrants in Europe will turn into Europeans?

>>223460590
Africa without Africans is a paradise of infinite resources that can be collected without effort or technology. They stayed because it was turbo easy mode which is the only reason they didn't go extinct

>>223459410
>>223460590
Yeah tying my post and that anon's post basically to sum it up: Why didn't Africa end up a ghost town? It fucking sucks.

>>223460607
Oh well if it's just biology then the Native Americans should've also gotten similar diseases to Europeans before Europeans arrived.

>>223460620
Admission of being jewish accepted

>>223460645
If the laws of biology were different and virus transmissions didn't happen then this problem wouldn't have occurred
Thus this can all be blamed on biology

>>223460277
as opposed to mugging, stabbing and murdering random people,Jamal?

>>223460590
The ones with agency all did

>>223460682
>all be blamed
We aren't looking for something to pin the blame on exclusively.
We are looking for explanations on why things have happened. Geography is part of that explanation.

>>223460778
No, not really

>>223460778
Do you believe in God? Then all things are explained through God

>>223460801
based Muslim inshallah my brother

>>223460801
Kek dude. You just read a post where I say I'm not looking for a catch-all explanation and that is your response? Holy moly!
>>223460789
Actually, yeah really.

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>>223460092
It's literally explained in the book and in the miniseries you dumb dumb
Arable land in California and in the Great plain is great in term of nutrients and minerals but the soil is HARD as fuck. Near to impossible to plow using stone age technique like the one the natives had, see pic related, since they lacked any big mammal to use to plow the soil faster, like Eurasians did from the dawn of time once we domesticated horses, bulls and so on

That's why the natives only managed to cultivate the land where the soil was soft enough that plowing it using your cousin as a bull wouldn't mean dying because of a heatstroke in the middle of it. Where the soil was 10/10 and "easy" to work with (like in the Mississippi basin) civilization flourished

I suggest you reading about these fuckers here, they often go forgotten in the Precolombian history because they were wiped off by smallpox extremely fast (so fast that they didn't have time to make contact with the spaniards) but their civilization is very interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippian_period_%28archaeology%29?wprov=sfla1

>>223460924
Didnt read, eat shit kike

>>223460869
>>223460924
Do you condemn Satan?

>>223460942
>>223460952
log fag

>>223460924
Interesting ty for putting in some effort.

>>223458719
They are subhuman beasts. That seems like a pretty good reason why.

>>223460773
Yeah but like I still don't get it. Assume that every human is on Africa and that out of Africa theory is true. I assume it is true but I don't know the evidence only that it is the "agreed" upon one. Some are closer to Europe then others. I can see some in southern Africa not knowing and thus being there for thousands of years. But what I don't get is how at some point when Europeans arrive in ancient times that migration didn't take place. Let's not talk about whether it is preferable if it should have or not, I just mean the book's argument of environmental determinism is conflicted with the most likely true fact that a large group of humans were just sticking put to the OG spawn area which fucking sucks because all the resources can only be exploited once the tech tree is explored more. Like if you know about Egypt and Greece and Rome going there, wouldn't you then travel over more and then realize you should migrate your people out of Africa because it sucks?