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The best part of Star Wars is not swordfights.
The best part of Star Wars is planes in space.

>The Force is presented through the lens of a sci-fi concept, not a religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnNSnJbjdws

>Knights
>Princesses
>Wizards
>Magic
>Dark Lord
It's LOTR in space

>>223458431
It's gnosticism mixed with Freud.
The Emperor is a demiurge who deceives Vader into the material world as an archon of his technological Empire. His spirit is literally encased inside a machine. Luke overcomes redeems father by being inducted into a tradition of esoteric knowledge (Sophia).

>>223458431
>The Force is presented through the lens of a sci-fi concept
That didn't happen until midichlorian revisionism. In the work you're talking about, it was literally magic mind powers. You're dumb and I'm leaving your retarded thread.

>>223458554
That guy is presented as an idiot, you're just reiterating the OP. Obi-wan and Yoda never present the force as a religious concept, but rather an aspect of nature.
>>223458584
>knights
>princesses
Both exist in the real world. Are we living in a fantasy setting? That's an oxymoron.
>wizards
Wizard is only used once and as a pejorative by Owen referring to Obi-wan.
>magic
There's no magic in Star Wars, the Force is presented as a new realm of nature that underlies reality, which can be tapped into by anyone with the knowledge to do so.
>Dark Lord
This is a title, not to be taken literally.

>LOTR in space
JRR Tolkien didn't invent fantasy. That you even bring him up here instead of mentioning the actual older stories that influenced Star Wars is kind of telling.

>>223458730
>n the work you're talking about, it was literally magic mind powers.
It isn't magic. Obi-Wan and Yoda both explain the Force as a fundamental piece of the universe that anyone can use. That's a sci-fi concept, not magic.
If the Force is a fantasy concept, then so is Q from Star Trek. And if Star Trek isn't sci-fi, then you've got the wrong idea about what defines science fiction, and think that everything in it must adhere to established current science, which is a *different* genre called speculative fiction.

>>223458781
>If the Force is a fantasy concept, then so is Q from Star Trek.
You're aware that one of the main reasons fans initially disliked Q was precisely because it felt too fantastical and unscientific, right?

The Death Star is a large sci-fi element. Many things in ANH are analogous to fantasy and its conventions, but a planet destroying weapon which is itself the size of a planet is pure sci-fi.

>>223458823
>You're aware that one of the main reasons fans initially disliked Q was precisely because it felt too fantastical and unscientific, right?
I'm aware those people were quickly told they were idiots because Q was hardly the first higher-dimensional being in Star Trek lore. And that Q's scientific basis is implied (and later explicitly explained) to be science based and not magic.
At no point ever does Picard regard Q as a god or mystical being.

>>223458489
Why did Mobius 1 do it?

>>223458781
>It isn't magic. Obi-Wan and Yoda both explain the Force as a fundamental piece of the universe that anyone can use. That's a sci-fi concept, not magic.
No it isn't, it's a pseudo-religious concept that stretches into fantastical "magic" powers. There is no scientific analogue for moving things with your mind or shooting lightning. Many religions describe a universal consciousness that permeates reality.

>>223458909
>There is no scientific analogue for moving things with your mind or shooting lightning.
There was at the time, and still is in fringe pseudoscience. During the 1960s and 70s the idea of psychic powers being a part of the future of humanity pops up over and over again in science fiction.
Now, if you're going to insist "psychic powers have no basis in science", then you're fundamentally misunderstanding the fiction part of science fiction, and talking about speculative fiction instead.

Hard sci-fi autists ruined the genre, now everything that isn't 100% known science is considered "sci-fi fantasy".

>>223458971
But the force isn't presented as a concept to do with the "future of humanity" or technological advancement, quite the opposite. It's esoteric knowledge that is passed down from a lineage of sage masters seeking balance and right action.

The opening of the movie also starts explicitly as a fairy tale, "a long time ago, in a galaxy far away." It is Lucas's version of "Once upon a time."

>>223459135
>But the force isn't presented as a concept to do with the "future of humanity" or technological advancement
You're supposed to use your imagination.
>It's esoteric knowledge that is passed down from a lineage of sage masters seeking balance and right action.
That's not part of the original trilogy.
>The opening of the movie also starts explicitly as a fairy tale, "a long time ago, in a galaxy far away." It is Lucas's version of "Once upon a time."
This is a very science fiction premise, that entire galaxy-spanning wars could have been fought millions of years ago in far off galaxies.

>>223459235
>You're supposed to use your imagination.
You do that in fantasy as well.

>That's not part of the original trilogy.
Yes it is. Luke learns from two masters symbolising western and eastern spiritual traditions. Obi-Wan is a Merlin type figure who emphasises fate and a previous golden age of knights. Yoda emphasises kabbalistic and zen buddhist concepts.
>This is a very science fiction premise, that entire galaxy-spanning wars could have been fought millions of years ago in far off galaxies.
Hence why it is science fantasy. It mixes the two.

>>223458431
There is nothing scientific about the force its just magic. If the evil wizard shooting electricity out of his hands did not tip you off I can't help you.

>>223459135
Jedi barely have a defined sense of ethics or practices despite george writing 6 movies. It literally doesnt matter, at one point Obi-Wan says he stands for democracy which makes no sense at all. Youre literally not supposed to think about it. The force is good, the dark side is bad, at one point George even said "good guys use blue and green, bad guys use red" and thats it but for years fans created all sorts of nonsense about their blade colors representing something. It represented literally nothing.

Star wars isnt deep.

>>223458431
You MUST work at Disney...

>>223459388
Thanks for adding nothing, mental midget.
>"it's not that deep bro! it's just good vs. evil!
Yeah no shit, it's a fairy tale for children. That doesn't mean there can't be sophisticated ideas in it. Good and Evil resonate with audiences for a reason.

>>223458431
I find your lack of faith disturbing.

>>223459433
But there arent any, in fact George went out of his way to write the Jedi at their prime as retarded. Like Count Dooku. They just let him leave and he is free to influence Galactic politics even though he can mind control people and read their minds.

>>223459472
This discussion is about the original trilogy. And even then you're just being a plothole fag.

>>223459528
Im not. George never really bothers to clarify their sense of ethics or anything. Its just vague mystical Eastern voodooshit. Ooooh its all around us, its in us, yes yes, watch me lift the x wing because I believe I can, and once you believe, you can do anything!

>>223459388
>at one point Obi-Wan says he stands for democracy which makes no sense at all.

How does it not make sense? Going back to the OT the Jedi have always aligned themselves with the Republic, and the Republic is democratic.

>but the Jedi are unelected

They're don't have seats in the Senate. They have influence over military campaigns where they're directly involved, but there's a ton of policy-making that the Jedi have no say in. The Jedi would probably ban death-sticks if they had the power, but they don't.

>>223459569
They are a religious orderm uneless their religion is democracy good and thats it, they should have some greater doctrine they adhere to but thats always extremely fucking vague on purpose. Like what is wrong for a jedi to do, what is a sin, what isnt, what is the purpose of anything they do.

>>223459569
Were death sticks legal? The guy was acting like a shady dealer. This is what im talking about. If the democratically elected people consistently do shit against the Jedi Order, do they just go with it? When are they permitted to use their mind control powers to sway the democratic process, if ever?

>>223459556
>vague mystical Eastern voodooshit
If you want to describe it that way, then sure. It was all the rage in the 60s when George was tripping out on psychedelics in San Francisco. A lot of it was about explicitly rejecting materialistic values, posessiveness and attempting to become one with everything.

>Ooooh its all around us, its in us, yes yes, watch me lift the x wing because I believe I can, and once you believe, you can do anything!
Yes this is why we keep describing it as pseudo-religious magic.

> Like what is wrong for a jedi to do, what is a sin, what isnt,
Seek balance in all things, defend against the dark side (domination), defend innocents. The prequels also are quite critical of the Jedi, it is heavily implied that they have lost their way because of the war.

It's fantasy.

>>223459313
>Luke learns from two masters symbolising western and eastern spiritual traditions. Obi-Wan is a Merlin type figure who emphasises fate and a previous golden age of knights. Yoda emphasises kabbalistic and zen buddhist concepts.
This is only allegorical. Within the Star Wars setting the Force and all the Jedi abilities are presented by Obi-wan, Vader, Yoda, and the Emperor as entirely scientific. Note that there's nothing in these movies about a chosen one, bringing balance, prophecies, etc. The Force is just a thing you can master and use.

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>>223459738
>Yes this is why we keep describing it as pseudo-religious magic.
But to the people of the 60s it *wasn't* magic. To them it was unexplored science. They were all confident they'd be vindicated soon as real science uncovered the mysteries of the mind. Didn't happen, but it influenced a lot of science fiction.

>>223458431
>The Force is presented through the lens of a sci-fi concept, not a religion.

That is simply untrue and I suggest you rewatch them right the fuck now.

>>223458865
The only just war is a war of self-defense. Which means Mobius 1 gapes Erusians on the first date.

In the Original Trilogy it's implied the Jedi are just a specific "order" of people with shared beliefs and training. Like someone being a Sikh today. It's never implied they were formally part of the former Galactic Republic government. Luke's father was an ace pilot who was *also* a Jedi. The word "Knight" does a lot of lifting in ANH, as Knights had brotherhoods and fraternities and such, and the Jedi is implied to have been something like this. For all we know watching ANH there were other kinds of Knights of other orders fighting in the clone wars.

>>223460082
Read the thread. You're not familiar with the ideas around psychics and telekinesis during the middle 20th century. That stuff was almost as much part of science fiction as a laser gun was.

>>223459634
>Were death sticks legal?
Hard to say. In my country there is a ridiculously high tax on cigarettes, which creates a black market for cheaper ways of acquiring them. So death-sticks could be legal and also sold by shady dealers.

>>223458431
>It's just plain science fiction.
What's the science part? It's just an adventure story. Going from "planes" to "spaceships" and putting the copilot in shag doesnt make it science fiction.
>>223459045
Half agree. But SW isnt even really soft sci-fi.
Sci-fi doesnt need hard science, but it does require some sort of questioning what it means to be human. That's the lynchpin of the genre, and SW doesnt really do this.

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>>223460253
>What's the science part?
Hyper space, turbo lasers, lightsabers, droids, cryosleeping (carbonite), alien creatures, galaxy spanning civilizations, psychic powers, cybernetics, moon sized space stations....

If those aren't science to you then I direct you to post >>223459045

>>223460253
>SW doesnt really do this.
That's kind of the whole thing with Darth Vader, and being more machine than man. And then there's the Force, which allows you to transcend humanity and become part of the underlying "energy field" that flows through everything.

>>223460375
>Going from "planes" to "spaceships" and putting the copilot in shag doesnt make it science fiction.
>>223459045
Half agree. But SW isnt even really soft sci-fi.
Sci-fi doesnt need hard science, but it does require some sort of questioning what it means to be human. That's the lynchpin of the genre, and SW doesnt really do this.

Consider the movie Enemy Mine. It also doesnt explain anything, and is pure soft sci-fi, but it IS sci-fi where SW is not. It is sci-fi because it is exploring that concept of what it means to be human, whether one can drop old antagonism and work together even if the enemy is something completely alien.
SW doesnt do this. It isnt an exploration of humanity. It's pulp adventure. Which is fine, but not sci-fi.

>>223460375
>D&D is a period drama because it has chemistry and mercantilism

>>223460399
>That's kind of the whole thing with Darth Vader, and being more machine than man.
This is purely to make him a menacing villain, though, not as an exploration of humanity.
>And then there's the Force
Which is not an introspection into humanity, but a plot device.
>the underlying "energy field" that flows through everything.
The closest you can point to, but this is much more a philosophical/RELIGIOUS consideration.

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>>223460253
Ever heard of "show, don't tell"?
Did you need Han Solo to poke a pen through a folded piece of paper for you?
The sci-fi concepts are all over the screen in Star Wars, taken for granted by the characters.
We see it and it's intellectually stimulating to us asking "what if?" and "could that really exist?" while the characters just move on as if it's perfectly normal to them. Which makes it even more interesting.

>>223460431
>This is purely to make him a menacing villain, though, not as an exploration of humanity.
Hard disagree there.
You're desensitized to Vader. In 1977 his appearance and the idea of a half-man half-machine was body horror that went beyond pure cartoon menace.

>>223460080
It's a very common throughline in sci-fi and even hard science fiction of the day. Future humans will just learn about psychic stuff and be able to do it.

>>223458747
>Obi-wan and Yoda never present the force as a religious concept, but rather an aspect of nature.
then none of the pagan religions of the world were religions, either, because an ancient greek would tell you that it's simply an "aspect of nature" that rivers and trees have spirits living in them and that thunder is made by zeus and so on. "a realm of nature that underlies reality" is a spirit realm, a common feature of many world religions. it's completely expected that the jedi would present their own beliefs as simply "truth" whereas an outsider would accurately call it a religion. the force is a religious concept.

>>223460413
Star Wars puts Chewbacca right beside Han Solo as an equal, even though he's not even capable of human speech. Is that not exploring the human condition?
I think you're desensitized to a lot of the baseline sci-fi stuff that was novel to 1977 viewers.

>>223460479
>You're desensitized to Vader. In 1977 his appearance and the idea of a half-man half-machine was body horror that went beyond pure cartoon menace.
nonsense. the six million dollar man for example was a popular show in the early 70s that already normalized being a cyborg as a cool escapist idea, not "body horror." star wars was not some kind of cutting edge work of scientific novelty, it was a retro throwback to classic scifi serials.

>>223460454
>Ever heard of "show, don't tell"?
Proper writing doesnt change a genre.
>Did you need Han Solo to poke a pen through a folded piece of paper for you?
We get that. What we dont get is the exploration of what it means to be human.
>concepts
Sci-fi as a genre is not about concepts, but the exploration of humanity those concepts can rbing about.
You can have the concepts and NOT be science fiction, because you are science fantasy/adventure.
> it's intellectually stimulating to us
Sure. YOU can come up with sci-fi within that universe.
But that isnt what the movie did.
It had a pulp adventure.
>>223460479
>In 1977 his appearance and the idea of a half-man half-machine was body horror that went beyond pure cartoon menace.
Give evidence of this sentiment, please.
There was plenty of body horror coming out at the time from people like Fulci or even episodes of Twilight Zone that a claim of cyborg is not going to shock people in such a way.
>>223460531
>Is that not exploring the human condition?
No. It's just having a regular human pilot, but instead he's furry. They didnt explore this at all.
Again- YOU can come up with sci-fi ideas in the universe.
That doesnt change the genre of the movie, which is science fantasy/adventure.

>>223458431
Btw the force is totally real at least concerning mind tricks and hand waving working on the weak minded. Don't ask me how I know.

Honestly, the deepest exploration of any concept in A NEw Hope IS a religious one.
You have Vader being dismissed as part of an outdated religion.
You have Leia reaching out to essentially a cardinal she knew from the past.
You have in Luke a young believer and in Solo a doubting Thomas who converts at the end.
And the climax is a confirmation and reward of having faith.

>>223460487
Except in Star Wars the Force is explicitly a real thing. So Obi-wan and Yoda are not preaching religion when they say this.
It's presented the way someone in the middle ages might explain magnetism to a layman. Or in the 1800s how someone might explain atoms.
Obi-wan, Yoda, and Vader are telling Luke that there are deeper levels to reality than he knows. This isn't paganism in 1970s milieu, this was an expected and plausible extension of science.

It's space Buddhism/Taoism with some christian redemption stuff sprinkled in.

>>223460559
Anon you have not watched the first several episodes of the Six Million Dollar man. That show is not nearly as positive on the idea of cyborgs as you seem to think it was. Steve Austin demands they allow him to die rather than live live as a cyborg. It takes him a long time in the series to come out of his stupor over this, and it never fully leaves him. The series is quite melancholic on the subject.

>>223460375
>Hyper space, turbo lasers, lightsabers, droids, cryosleeping (carbonite), alien creatures, galaxy spanning civilizations, psychic powers, cybernetics, moon sized space stations....
all of those things are superficial props in an adventure story and could be trivially replaced with eg fantasy analogues where the death star is a flying castle and carbonite is magical petrification. in actual science fiction you can't just remove or replace the scientific novum with something else because it's the focus of the story, you can't have the time machine without the time machine. star wars is a story about a boy going on an adventure to find himself, and would work the same way if the sword he gets was made of metal and the xwing was a dragon he rides to blow up the evil castle.

>>223460563
You lack imagination.

>>223460701
>all of those things are superficial props
No they are not. They are huge draw to viewers who love to see these science fiction concepts brought to life with special effects. There were, and continue to be, many Star Wars fans who did not give a shit about the adventure story segments, and just wanted to see more X-wings and Star Destroyers.

>>223460627
>Except in Star Wars the Force is explicitly a real thing
and in the poems of homer the gods of olympus are explicitly real beings. so what? we still recognize them as part of greek religion. spoilers: in the bible, god is real. we can still look at these works from the outside and recognize them as expressing religious ideas, just like star wars expresses the religious idea of a spirit realm that controls your destiny.

>>223458431
Star Wars is just pure movie magic.

Like how did they pull off so many cool things at once? Some of the best sound effects in film history, some of the most creative and memorable ship designs (tie fighter, x wing, death star, star destroyer), incredible costumes (storm troopers, darth vader), amazing robot designs, some the best set designs ever made, and of course the lightsaber...

Just every single scene in these movies is visually rich, textured, full of intriguing sounds and exoticism, it all feels tactile and real and the viewer gets to go on a visual and auditory adventure into a strange new world.

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>>223460667
What's the buddhism/Taoism of this sequence?

>>223460749
they are superficial to the story being told, and therefore to determining what kind of story it is. "but people like looking at xwings" does not change anything about my point. if some viewers care about the props and not the story then this conversation does not concern them. what do they care what genre a story they don't even like belongs to?

>>223460794
I really hate people who say "we" as if the human race is already some kind of a fucking hivemind. Science is a religion. End of discussion.

>>223460794
>and in the poems of homer the gods of olympus are explicitly real beings
No, they aren't. They are considered, even in the context of those stories, to be supernatural. Not of the living world. Strange, fleeting, and contradictory in nature. Unexplainable. Inexplicable.
In the OT the Force is not positioned that way. It's described as a malleable, controllable thing that can be predictably relied on when mastered. Motti and Han Solo scoffing and calling it a religion is supposed to be a clue about this, as both men are *wrong*.

>>223458431
Science fiction isn’t just “story that has fictional science” retard. The genre is defined by how fictional science affects humans/the human condition, or its moral implications. At no point does Star Wars try to examine the moral/ethical implications of the Force or how a lightsaber relates to the human condition. It’s a space opera.

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>>223460906
Star Wars isn't only about the narrative story of Luke Skywalker. There's a hundred other smaller stories being told by every prop and alien that appears on screen.

>>223460669
and yet the actual cultural impact of that show was kids on playgrounds moving in pretend slow motion imitating the sound effect, because they correctly understood that the appeal of the scenario was that he was made into a superhero and not that he was brooding about it. the point is, no, the idea of being a cyborg was not novel in 1977 and would not have been seen as shocking or necessarily "body horror." vader was not "body horror," he was a spooky cape-wearing bad guy in a mask.

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>>223458431
>The Force is presented through the lens of a sci-fi concept, not a religion.
Remind me again, what was the scientific explanation for how Vader could choke a man with the air, or Palpatine shooting lightning from his fingers?

>>223460486
Future humans will be using VR headsets to goon as the Earth decays and nothing else will ever happen. We are never developing psychic powers, we are never creating laser guns, we are never leaving the solar system.

>>223460959
>The genre is defined by how fictional science affects humans/the human condition
I'm not sure I'd fully agree with that, but taking it as a premise
>At no point does Star Wars try to examine the moral/ethical implications of the Force or how a lightsaber relates to the human condition.
Obi-wan literally comments about how the lightsaber is a more refined weapon than a blaster, and represents a more civilized age. Then you can compare that with the Death Star, a science fiction concept taken to a nightmarish extreme.

>>223460979
yes, but the genre of the work is determined by the main focus of the story, not background details. the phantom menace is not a nature documentary just because at one point you can see a fish eating a smaller fish.

>>223461055
>we are never creating laser guns
Laser guns literally already exist and have been put into practical use in modern warfare. They use them shoot down drones and missiles all the time.

>>223461117
Yeah ok lemme know when we're using them like people in star wars which will be fucking never

>>223461101
>but the genre of the work is determined by the main focus of the story, not background details.
This is reductive, the Star Wars story is impossible without the science fiction elements of the setting. If you want to torture the story into a pure fantasy tale taken from something like Arabian Nights you're going to have to take massive liberties. What are you going to replace the Death Star with?

>>223460918
It's not the end of the discussion, you're just a raging autist.

>>223460946
>No, they aren't. They are considered, even in the context of those stories, to be supernatural. Not of the living world. Strange, fleeting, and contradictory in nature. Unexplainable. Inexplicable.
you don't understand paganism at all. no, the gods are real, and not just the important olympian gods but also the gods in every tree, the gods that live in every pebble. they are not separate from nature, they are nature. you are trying to project the christian division between the material and the transcendent onto pagans, who did not think that way. the gods of the greeks were real. they lived on a mountain. you could meet them.

>Motti and Han Solo scoffing and calling it a religion is supposed to be a clue about this, as both men are *wrong*.
they are in fact completely right, and vindicated by how the religion is then portrayed in the prequels.

>>223461230
Nah, I'm just way cooler than you are.

>>223461156
>This is reductive
yes. the idea of assigning genres at all is reductive by definition, otherwise every work would belong to its own genre of one because they all differ by some details you need to "reduce" in order to group them together.

>What are you going to replace the Death Star with?
i already said, a flying castle. or even a static castle that just appears in different places by magic.

>>223461237
That you brought the sequels into your discussion destroys any point you could have made. Not being able to discuss the OT without PT pollution signals you are a simpleton. Yes, this is an ad hominem.

>>223461331
A flying castle that does what? Blows up the entire country?
You can't get around the notion that the Death Star is inherently a science fiction concept. You try to twist it into some fantasy idea and it loses the power of the concept, because people in the 70s were very much afraid of science causing the instantaneous destruction of the whole planet.

>>223461332
i'm sorry that i broke a gay rule that you invented in your head, but i'm right with or without the pt, for reasons i have already extensively explained. condolences about your autism.

>>223458431
I agree, star trek has blatant supernatural elements but no one calls it science fantasy, it's retarded

>>223461362
>A flying castle that does what? Blows up the entire country?
or makes all nature in the kingdom wither and die, or whatever else you want.

>the Death Star is inherently a science fiction concept
no, the evil ruler's evil fortress is not an inherently science-fictional concept. as a science-fictional concept the death star is pretty retarded (they really made a small moon's worth of fucking metal corridors? why? how is that a reasonable use of materials?) and mostly ignored except for its use as a. a big evil threat and b. a dungeon for the heroes to traverse.

haven't you noticed how star wars planets have that single-biome thing going on, rather unscientifically? that's because they are just fairytale locations made into planets. luke starts off in the desert (because his life sucks) and ends up in a lush forest (because he has found purpose), and to get there he has to fight his way through an evil fortress (because you can't have meaning without struggle). these things would, if anything, make more scientific sense if they were locations in one fairytale kingdom and not whole separate planets of sand, forest, metal. that's not very scientific.

>>223460242
It should not be hard to say. The Jedi were written as law enforcement agents with special powers and nothing more. They literally believe in nothing concrete, they have no specific morals or even agency really, they just do what they're told or go with the flow of the force, they really are directionless space hippies with swords who kill people. Like is there ever a point where the Jedi WONT help the Republic in a war?

>>223458431
>The Force is presented through the lens of a sci-fi concept, not a religion.
Did you watch The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi

>>223458431
>The Force is presented through the lens of a sci-fi concept, not a religion.
It's neither science nor religion per se (although Han calls it a "hokey religion"). It lacks the rigorous experimental basis to be science, and it lacks the ritual worship of a full-fledged religion. It's pure mysticism.

>>223458431
It's quite blatantly a fantasy movie, by George Lucas' own admission, calling it a fairy tale in space

>>223458431
> hokey religions are no use against a good blaster

>>223460217
Yep. It’s in Starship Troopers, too.

obi wan body just disappeared

his voice tells luke to turn off claude

>>223458431
yes OP, there is a perfectly scientific explanation for people with telekinetic, telepathic, and clairvoyant supepowers.

obi wan detected the destruction of aldermen

>>223458431
It's not scifi at all.
It's plain fantasy.
It just happens to be set in space.

>>223462914
There were no psychics in Starship Troopers. Carl was making it up.

>>223460147
ISAF countries chimped out for no reason and are at least as at fault as erusea.

>>223458431
>The Force is presented through the lens of a sci-fi concept,
That's the prequels, they never even remotely tried to explain the force in the OT. Shut the h*ck up.

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>>223458489
>The best part of Star Wars

>>223461026
>and yet the actual cultural impact of that show was kids on playgrounds moving in pretend slow motion imitating the sound effect,
Extremely reductive and dismissive of the effect it had on adult viewers at the time.
You're being overly contrarian here.
>>223461030
*puts pen through piece of paper*

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>>223463664
Does something have to be explained to be considered sci-fi?

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The problem with this take is Lucas himself contradicted it over the years during interviews. You could say the author is dead and all that, or that he changed his tune after the films came out, but he did say several times that Star Wars isn't really science fiction.

I tend to agree that Star Wars is indeed science fiction, and obviously so, but I'm pretty broad with the category, and include things like Superman being a science fiction story. Star Wars was influenced by Flash Gordon, which in turn is classic science fiction. Edgar Rice Burroughs stories set on Mars are science fiction. Star Wars is over in that category, which to 21st century audiences reads more as fantasy because they've been conditioned to think science fiction has to deal with harder subjects and explanations other than science so advanced it looks like magic.