The Star Trek transporter does NOT kill you. Stop spreading misinformation, faggots.It uses a scifi device called Heisenberg Compensator, which magically keeps your body, mind, soul intact. The initial demolecularization and remolecularization are digital, but it's not a copy. You're being pushed into the computer circuitry, where you continue to live in suspended animation (coma), and when you wake up it's you again.There are several episodes in the series where they talk about this. Only if a space anomaly interferes with the transport are you duplicated or disfigured. That's not the fault of the transporter itself.
Eeehhhh... I think I'll just walk
>>223474421It's fictional technology. It works exactly as the writers intend. if they say it doesn't kill you, it doesn't kill you.Boring explanation, but it's the only real one
>>223474421>The Star Trek transporter does NOT kill you. Stop spreading misinformation, faggots.>It uses a scifi device called Heisenberg Compensator, which magically keeps your body, mind, soul intact. The initial demolecularization and remolecularization are digital, but it's not a copy. You're being pushed into the computer circuitry, where you continue to live in suspended animation (coma), and when you wake up it's you again.>There are several episodes in the series where they talk about this. Only if a space anomaly interferes with the transport are you duplicated or disfigured. That's not the fault of the transporter itself.
>>223474524I'll have what she's having
>>223474503Is this really necessary?
>>223474421explain Tuvix then
>>223475160Space plantsnta and transporters definitely kill you though
>Why did I blow every atom of my being and made a copy of myself >I should have taken the shuttle
>>223474421>I didn't kill you, I just very quickly ripped you apart atom by atom.That's how you sound.>But you're put together the exact same way!Yeah, and I can still kill a man by ripped off his limbs, then rescusitate him after putting them back. Did he die or not?
>>223474421Um I'll take the shuttle thanks
>>223475412>Yeah, and I can still kill a man by ripped off his limbs, then rescusitate him after putting them back.I doubt you could.
>>223475449I can with induced comas, blood transfusion, and Einstein-de Broglie compensators.
A Starfleet professor and chief transporter officer on 13 Miranda class ships was teaching a class on transporters.”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship the transporter and accept that it truly is the safest way to travel!”At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Reginald Barclay who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of physical travel stood up.”S-so is the p-p-person coming out of the transporter the same one that was beamed, or a d-d-duplicate?”The arrogant professor smirked quite Ferengily and smugly replied “Of course it's the same, you stupid ponce.””Wrong. If the p-person that c-c-came out was the same, then Thomas Riker should n-n-not exist”The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his datapad and copy of Transporters Today. He stormed out of the room crying those Engineering crocodile tears.The cadets applauded and all accepted the Type-8 shuttlecraft as their lord and savior. A shuttle named “Galileo” flew into the room and perched atop the Starfleet flag, shedding a self-sealing stem bolt upon the chalk. The Anthem of the United Federation of Planets was sung several times, and Q himself showed up and enacted a warp speed limit across the quadrant.The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of transporter psychosis and his pattern was lost for all eternity.
>>223474421How does the Heisenberg Compensator work?
>>223475533Kills you and makes a copy.
A transporter doesn't kill you the same way spending 10 years in a coma doesn't kill you, same as being under general anesthesia for 10 hours doesn't kill you.
>>223476312A transporter kills you the same way getting stabbed by a feral nigger kills you
not only does it not kill you but you're actually conscious during the transport processeverybody forgets that episode with barclay where he encounters creatures while being transported
It's a philosophical issue not a technical one. The show can't answer it because it's an unknowable question.
>>223474421>pulls you apart molecule by molecule>"it doesn't kill you"Nice try, Mudd.
>>223475500>Einstein-de Broglie compensators.You just made that up.
>>223475533It works very well, thank you for asking.
>>223474421What happens to your old body?
>>223480481Fuel for the replicators
>>223475527Ok I chuckled
>>223474421Broccoli disproved all the nonsense about replicators turning you into data unless this shit is Tron.
>>223474421Section 31 propaganda. FUCK YOU I wont go in it!
>>223475527kek
>>223475160Or the second Riker
>>223475160The alien plant caused the accident.>>223482403The subspace distortion caused the accident.
>>223475527And that cadet's name was Albert Einstein.
>>223474421ok but which Riker is the “real” Riker then?
>>223474421You first.
>>223477598Yeah, it shows the background changing from where you were to where you end up next. Pretty interesting to see it working from the inside.
>>223474608It means they don't have to tediously explain how they get to planets every episode.
If it killed you, how could Barclay have seen space worms while being transported? There shouldn't be a midpoint then, just atomization and reconstruction
>>223474421Okay, then explain Lieutenant Riker who was trapped on that planet after the transporter accidentally didn't destroy him but still farted him out back on the Enterprise? How can there be two Rikers?
>>223474421Finally an intelligent post. Nearly all of the atoms making up your body are replaced every 5 years or so. And all those memories you made over that span of time effectively make you a different person. Arguably, just living life “kills” you many times over. Plus, you lack continuity since every time you go to sleep you wake up a little different. By contrast, Trek transporters move your particles through subspace at the speed of light so that you instantly reappear. You do not lose consciousness through the entire process (unless you’re stuck in a buffer like Scotty was in “Relics”). It really is the safest way to travel.
>>223483435your neuron atoms don’t get replaced dude i don’t care about my finger nails
>>223483392Glad you brought it up. Rather than kill, the transporter actually created life. The episode explained it in detail. The unique atmosphere of that planet caused Riker’s pattern to duplicate. Zero people died. Checkmate.
>>223474421>the person I used to be before i got in the teleporter is dead!>the person i used to be before I went to sleep last night is still alive!>there's a difference because... be- because... THERE JUST IS, OKAY???
The transporter is safe, effective, and trusted by Federation doctors.
>>223475527I've always wondered what the original version of this pasta template is
>>223475036They can go insane if you don't Pon Farr with them
>>223483564The original one has a professor standing on a stool and challenging God to knock him down if he really existed. Some dude stands up and knocks him down and says something like "Sorry, God is busy protecting our boys in Iraq so he sent me."
>>223483488Wrong. Many of the atoms in your brain do. That wasn’t the point anyway. Your body, just living its life is a “ship of Theseus”. You are not exactly who you were yesterday, and even more so yesteryear. In Trek, after you transport you are exactly who and what you were before transport. Except when you get Tuvix’d. But that was gay.
>>223474421Why do you keep trying to split threads
>>223483550Thomas Riley had little to do with a normally functioning transporter, and almost everything to do with a crazy ass planetary magic atmosphere.
>>223483366they could just reuse a shot of a shuttle landing every episode
>>223483644>the transporter works fine until it doesn't
>>223483676Right, the same can be said for a car, you maroon. But in your cute little picture, still nobody dead. Just kids. And their minds were completely unaffected.
>>223474421>Only if a space anomaly interferes with the transport are you duplicated or disfigured.This seems like a serious design flaw
In Season 6, Episode 2, “Realm of Fear,” Geordi tells Barclay:“How many transporter accidents have there been in the last ten years? Two? Three? There are millions of people who transport safely every day without a problem.” >Accidents: 2–3 over 10 years.>Safe transports: 1 million transports per day, that is 3.65 billion transports over 10 years.>Accidents per 1 million transports : 0.00055–0.00082>Percentage of transports with accidents: 0.000000055%–0.000000082%>Approximate odds of an accident: 1 in 1.8–1.2 billionNot worth the risk imo
>>223483676Fucking perfect Roh. I really wish they'd had her instead of major bitchface nerys in deep shit 9 like they were originally going to then it might have sucked edgy fedora dick a lot less.
>>223483366It also means that they didn't have to include a scene of leaving and returning to the shuttle which adds to the running timeKirk etc can just appear in-situ and immediately the plot starts.
>>223483435So is it the underlying physical continuity being preserved that guarantees survival in this case? I've only watched TOS but I am familiar with the teletransportor that scans your composition, deletes you, and perfectly recreates your composition elsewhere instantly, and I think that definitely kills you. If the Star Trek transporters basically used magic to preserve that physical continuity then it sounds safe.
why do people age in star trek?why not simply copy new body parts and replace the aging ones?
>>223483873>If the Star Trek transporters basically used magic to preserve that physical continuity then it sounds safe.It's described as such yes
>>223483893The Federation agreed not to use anti-aging technology in the Treaty of Graktar
>>223474421>The demolecularization and remolecularizationthat’s not part of it all. They directly state very early that it’s converting matter to energy and back again, in a setting where pure energy beings commonly exist, evolved from biological life forms, at a time when “new age” thinking was everywhere, stating that humans would eventually evolve into being pure energy. With the idea that matter itself was just energy condensed to a slow vibration, hence “energize” when it’s activated.
>>223474503Imagine the han
>>223474620hehe
Any real trekkie knows the inventor of the transporter was on an episode of Enterprise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntS4CkADqMwHe said:EMORY: People said it was unsafe, that it caused brain cancer, psychosis, and even sleep disorders. And then there was all that metaphysical chatter about whether or not the person who arrived after the transport was the same person who left, and not some weird copy.TUCKER: Which would make all of us copies.EMORY: I had to fight all of that nonsense, and I'm not going to tell you there weren't costs. I'm living proof of that, but I won. Mankind is better off. Makes everything I've fought for worthwhile.
>>223484085>I had to fight all of that nonsense, and I'm not going to tell you there weren't costs. I'm living proof of that, but I won. Mankind is better off. Makes everything I've fought for worthwhile.Not an argument.
>>223484096He directly called transporter copies nonsense. You can't get much better of a resolution.
>>223474620
>>223484115So the creator of the transporter, who surely has no ulterior motive, is pro transporter? That's crazy.
>>223484115And how would he know?
>>223484085>>223484115>>223484136The way I read this interaction is admitting that it is true by side-stepping and not directly answering with a yes or no.
>>223484136People in the federation don't have ulterior motives
>>223484117We ain't t͓̽r͓̽a͓̽n͓̽s͓̽p͓̽o͓̽r͓̽t͓̽ shit
>>223484136>>223484144And how do you think he fought all the non sense? Do you think people took his word? Clearly he proved it with hard data. Not words. >>223484152Because you can't understand sentences and subtext. That's mental problem.
>>223484159The transporter was created before the Federation was founded. >>223484166>hard dataEasily manipulated or outright falsified. Happens all the time.
>>223484166>And how do you think he fought all the non sense?By waiting until transporters became such a normalized part of life that everyone just accepted themSame way AI will be accepted in the next decade
>>223483609did you even research what i said or are you just sticking to your guns?the parts we most care about for consciousness do not actually get replaced
>>223484166>Clearly he proved it with hard data.May we see it?What data could possibly exist to address an existential question
>>223483676>accidentally invent cure to aging>is never mentioned or used ever again
>>223484223You want to see fictional scientific data that doesn't exist? He said he fought. He is a scientist. Do you think he fought with a sword? I had enough of dealing with you mental handicap people today. Peace out.
>>223484263>Do you think he fought with a sword?No think he just browbeat everyone by calling their concerns "nonsense"He's shown to be something of an asshole in the episode.
>>223474421
Teleportation is the second worst scifi mechanic after time travel.
>>223474421>The Star Trek transporter does NOT kill you.tell that to HIM
>>223484631You're a histrionic retard. Its nothing but a basic story element that kept them from having to film a shuttle pod scene every time they go to the planet of the week.
>>223482669>which Riker is the “real” Rikerneither of them, since the original Will Riker died the first time he was transported.
>>223484638Them* and they both lived.
>>223483526yeah, the difference is when you're sleeping you're not being torn apart atom by atom.
>>223484213You’re wrong, sport. Even this conversation has changed you into a different person than you were when you woke up this morning after a night of furious masturbation. You don’t even have to wait the requisite 5-10 years for 98% of your neural atoms to completely migrate. I’ve explained it simply enough that even a child can understand it.
>>223484600Does it send you to Hell and then it kills you or does it kill you then sends you to Hell?
>>223484638 Not killed. He was given life by the transporter. JaneGay is the one who killed him. Btw, It’s interesting that no one ever talks about the orchid.
>>223474608Based forest seer. People have become too accustomed to ignoring what they see and leaning on others' words of interpretation for entertainment value.Fan theories, fanfiction, deconstruction, death of the author etc.
>>223484662Incorrect and obtuse. Both are Riker. The transporter gave life to an identical twin. Zero deaths occurred.
>>223484786no, the teleporter cannot create life, only copy it. that's why everyone who is teleported is a clone
Transporters kill the person being transported, and Miles O'Brien is an unrepentant mass murderer.
>>223484805They are both Riker, but much thinner
>>223480588oh my God
>>223474503Unenthusiastic handjobs
>>223474421HEY OP!Go transport yourself!
>>223483550kinda bullshit that the other riker didn't get promoted to lieutenant commander after they rediscovered him despite having equal claim to that promotion
>>223484044no replies == /thread
>>223474524based reference
>>223474421Uh-huh, sure. Still not getting in the transporter. If anyone needs me, I'll be in the Holodeck with these simulations of Counselor Troi, Dr Crusher, and for some reason a short version of Commander Riker who is a 14th-century woodland bandit.
Option 1) Transporter kills you. But since that would require the transporter to put a new soul in the body, because souls exist in Star Trek, the transporter is also a soul machine and makes a duplicate of your soul that will act just like you. Ergo there are dozens of you up in heaven unless you're a jew or ferengi or cardassian then you go to hellOption A) the transporter doesnt kill you. Its like taking a computer apart and then reassembling it somewhere else and turning it on. You exist only as a pattern and that pattern could be implanted over new bodies. Dying is for a bitch, make a new perfect body and have the transporter put you in it
>>223474421>magically keeps your body, mind, soul intactapart from all those episodes when it did not or made A 2 FUCKING REPLICAS like a xerox
>>223483676KKMF
>>223474608its supposed to be science fiction though. star trek is in actuality more sci fantasy than farscape except they hide it behind meaningless jargon. plus its just a bad show for spergs
>>223477707only in hard c sense. you canbreason one metaphysics is unlikely due to paradoxes it could produce,some even testable such as duplication in this case
>>223484720t. biograd from joe rogan university
>>223474421how many ppl did they kill before they realised they needed a compensator and how do they know it works
>>223483609And many of your brain cells are immortal. Your body is not a ship of theseus.
>>223483644They clearly established there was nothing that weird about the planet atmosphere so much as the energy beam from the decomposed riker bounced back, similar to hitting a mirror. Think about it like short-wave radio or something. There were also at least one or two episodes were people were lost but there was a 'backup in the transporter banks' and they used that.
>>223484085Enterprise is not canon.
>>223474421It doesn't kill you anyway, read Derek Parfit
Heisenberg, huh?
>>223478511"Souls" essentially exist in the Star Trek universe, molecules hardly matter when a person's mind and individuality can still exist as "pure energy". Sorry chud, Trek has always been SOFT sci-fi.
>>223483676Literally proof God exists in Trek and He truly wants what is best for His children.
>>223483380He was in Hell
>>223484096He's right because he won.
>>223483526Observe the psychosis and degraded mental faculties of Anon clone #3214. Clear evidence of progressive neuron damage during the murder/reassembly process.
>>223483644>TRUST THE HECKIN SCIENCE, CHUDS>But the science clearly failed here>Uhhhh a wizard did itStill not getting in the transporter
i'd only trust using it as long as i was a billion miles away from any incarnation of the enterprise. the moment the heroes get involved, the chances of a malfunction and the subsequent "wacky mishap" shoots up way too much to be a coincidence
>>223483526Consciousness doesn't shut off during sleep, dweebus. You're not just "powered down", your brain is still chugging along doing things, only your perception of sensory input and causality changes.Transporters in Trek are the same btw, consciousness never ceases. People have gotten physically beamed out into random nebulas as pure energy and still been able to be sensed as individuals by empaths, for all intense sand porpoises the soul is real.
>>223483644Unironically this. In fact explicitly explained that no one can replicate the results using transporters. It was the planet that did it, in a universe with no small shortage of Godlike entities and physics-warping dimensions of consciousness.>>223491106That's fine, you just won't ever make it as an Officer. You'll forever be an earthbound tendie forced to eat at Sisko's and never get to have a real raktajino with dabo girls
>>223474421You just discribed killing and cloning
>>223474421Then why did it create two Kirks and two Rikers?
>>223491124Empaths only need to sense electronic signals for them to be able to sense beamers without consciousness. The mechanism matters.
>>223491112i wonder if it's normal for holodecks to try and kill the occupants at least once a year or if that's just an enterprise thing.quark never had much problem with his holosuites trying to kill everyone on DS9
Propaganda by Big Transport.
>>223491439>The mechanism matters.This sentence isn't really saying anything, the point is that consciousness survives without the molecular body, ergo transporters do not "kill you".
>>223474421>>223474608This.If it killed you they wouldnt use it as a means on transportation. Simple as.
>>223491910Not at all. The point is that it says nothing about consciousness or souls at all. If chatgpt tells you it is sad, is it really sad? But that information ("I am sad") could be what it would look like to an empath. Just because you see a statement doesn't mean you see the thing. Just because you "feel energy" doesn't mean there's any activity. When someone dies, they still move around as they decompose. After all, whatever happens in-transport can be just the recorded information at the time of death, as it's a brain snapshot.
>>223491290at least with kirk it philosophically split him into two halves of himself that couldn't survive without the other. riker it just straight up cloned.
