When watching foreign films, do you prefer the subtitle to translate exactly or do you prefer them more localized.Personally, it always irks me when they translate something differently. for example right now while I was watching a show there is a scene where the character said he did it because of someone else, he used the word 所為 which means: "consequence; outcome; result; blame; fault" however the subtitles said its "thanks" to them. while the meaning is similar the tonal shift is completely different and its really annoying. Fuck you Netflix fix your subtitles.
And whats infuriating me is that its not the first time, its a fucking pattern. in the same show just 1 episode prior, a secondary antagonist is having his own little redemption moment where he says to one of the protags "君のお陰だ" - Thanks you to you, but in that case they translated it "Because of you". which again, same meaning but it has a tonal shift.
What I find bizarre and which is incredibly common is when someone says a character's name and in the translation it's completely omitted. It makes me wonder how inaccurate the rest of the translation must be if they can't even get that right.I'm sure the only good translations that exist are for books. Anyone serious about language and translation certainly doesn't work in film.
>>223477872Exactly. the second you see hints of them deviating from the script the trust is broken and you dont know what was and wasn't edited.
>>223478009Anybody ask for your input?
>>223477837>Thanks you to you, but in that case they translated it "Because of you". which againbut its not the same. "because of you" implies a linear, causal thinking, that i do find nonexistent in "thanks to you". the latter implies to me a multitude of reasons but a channeling to one person, as if to thank this person as a representation of fate, to direct the gratitude, while feeling it for that person. >>223477872forget that! books, and even translated by the same author, just dont do it well. my take is, if you want to watch foreign films and books and imerge into it, you need to understand the language.
>>223477872It's even worse than that most non english translation are done based on the english translation and not the original translation meaning there is two level of transmutation before it reaches youWhen I learned that I started to watch any and all movie with english subtitles
>>223478113I guess its open to interpretation but it only makes my point more poignant.the way I see is because of use is just a cause an effect. You did X so I my reaction was Y. but thanks to you means a more fundamental shift, its not a reaction its your action making me think and choose to change for the better.
>>223477872You need to rewrite the dialogue to make it sound natural in the new language.
>>223477692I ignore the film exists and wait for the hollywood remake which usually are better
>>223477692I prefer word for word translation of German to English cause I like the way they word things.
>>223478352and how is making thanks to you because of you and vice-versa making it more natural?if we are talking about things like idioms or some form of word-play then ok but I the examples I gave clearly aren't it.
if I’m playing or watching something from another language/culture I don’t want or need it “localized” to “American.” If a foreign idiom is used explain the fucking idiom. Localization in reality is just isolation. Preventing someone from learning about other cultures.
>>223477837>>223477692YWNBJ GB2/a/T
>>223478531>YWNBJthank god.I'd rather commit sudoku than be a Japanese wagie.>GB2/a/TYou know, I really hate that stereotype. Just because I like Japanese things doesn't make me an anime fan. no, you can blame my fondness for Japanese things from their video games. Nintendo, Square Enix, FromSoft, Sony... blame them.
>>223478449The original flow of conversation does not sound natural in the new language and needs to be altered. The 1:1 translation of the original fantasy / science fiction names is cringe and you have to build from scratch a whole dictionary with alternative names, including indirect references. The original meaning is lost in the translation and something has to be expressed in a more explicit way. A problem with addressing others with "you" vs vs "sir/ma'am/mr/mrs" in countries where "you" is considered rude. The original script does not fit the rating and needs more / less profanities. The translated joke is not funny at all and needs to be replaced with a brand new one. In other words, all possible problems that could appear in translations of books, games and comic books but with an extra problem of time required to say something.
>>223478504Nobody cares about your shit stained "culture" pajeet.
>>223477692This is a false debate. There is no "localization vs translation" to have in this case because most subtitles are a rush job. Anyone who's actually watched movies with the original audio with subs on while actually understanding the audio knows this. A "localization vs translation" questions implies there is intent, most subtitles have no intent besides what's the quickest/cheapest they can get away with.
>>223478800Ok, heres another example.She says 宇宙人,未来人 meaning Aliens? People from the future?yet the subs translate it into (Is it) humans? or aliens? completely erasing the time traveler part.how is this contributing to the flow?
>>223480129Just find better subtitles ffs
>>223478823No one tries to localize bollywood, so that was just random.
>>223480147These are official Netflix subs, the fuck I am paying the Netflix subscription for subpar subs?
>>223480185You could've just said you don't know how to get better subtitles.
