>>223492492TLJ has more substance than JewJew's sequels.The substance is mostly pure spite towards the existing franchise, but it's there.
The mandalorian tried to dig up the corpse but fell into the grave
>>223492727more like got dragged back into the grave by trying to connect the one successful thing they made to all the other shit.
>>223492750>>223492727the mandalorian was never good
he should embrace it and make a mockumentary about it all>how I destroyed Star Wars, the biggest hollywood heistthat's something people would watch
TLJ and ROS combined destroyed the franchise forever. Full retcon of the sequels is the only path forward.
>>223492806They'll remake the originals anon. With trannies and diversity.
Just two more weeks.
>>223492492>Can we all agree The Last Jedi officially killed the Star Wars franchise?No, it was prequelshit. Sequels just beated a dead horse
>>223492492>a-actually your smoke theories suck>A-A-AND I WAS NEVER SP-P-POOKED!!!why does this guy try so hard to be an online tough guy when he is obviously the type that crosses the street if he sees a group of urban youths in the distance.
>>223492492>ign
>>223492727Mandalorian was a cashgrab to sell merch to kids
>>223492778He would become the new Mike Stolaska
>>223492843TFA already did it. the very core of TFA was being anti- OT.
>>223492492>killed the Star Wars franchiseGood. Total manchild death.
>>223492492Disney's lack of a plan and low expectations for the material is what killed Star Wars, not any single show or movie.
>>223492492Rian is the textbook crying wokaj with smug mask
>>223492531>JewJewKek
>>223493038Lol no. It was TLJ when shit hit the fan. Johnson was the undertaker of the franchise.
nope.jar jar and then RLM are what buried SW.
>>223492492The last Jedi killed Star wars and sent it into this retarded woke rabbit hole we see today. It made the first movie look like shit and to even try and salvage a 3rd movie they needed to bring back the big bad man. Rian Johnson is mid.
Real niggas know that RotJ was the beginning of the end.
>>223492980That’s every Star Wars since and including return of the jedi
>>223493404Lucas' prequels introduced an interesting setting for games and spin- offs.Sequels, on the other hand... uh, a lot of hate videos on yt?
>>223492886>No, it was prequelshit.If prequelshit had killed the franchise, there wouldn't have been any sequels.
>>223492806This, but the damage is already done. Retconning all of that lore is too little too late now.
>>223493404they did not revolve entirely around catchphrases and boss baby
>>223492886Apologize
>>223492806The only acceptable retcon is the sequel trilogy being a fever dream of Luke suffering from alcohol poisoning after the celebration at the end of the RotJ
>>223492531The soulless approach was better. Ironically Rian’s movie was the most jewish of the trilogy. He’s married to a jewess though.
>>223492531This. It's a bad movie but at least it tried to do something, even if it failed. The Abrams movies are just the reheated plots from the past with an older, washed-out cast.
No. The Force Awakens did. TLJ is a shit movie, sure, but at least you could make an argument that there is some, little as it has, artistic merit and cinematography in it. At least it might have a tiny bit of interesting elements and took a risk. TFA is truly the beginning of the end of Star Wars. Andor itself is the only good nu-wars media. Also I've explained why I hate TFA way too many times over the years on /tv/, suffice to say these .webms and the image are enough to showcase my seething hatred for JJ Abrams.
>>223493421By that logic, there wouldn't have been more SW projects done or in the works now, if TLJ had killed it.
It literally makes my blood boil thinking about the stupidity of the starkiller base and this scene in general. I mean it's star wars, standards are low, and most of the time thinking critically about what you're seeing on screen is a mistake, but jesus fucking christ even a modest amount of knowledge about galactic level scale and travel makes this entire thing just rack your brain. How did not a single person producing this trash even question the script at all? It's so fucking retardedLike the death star, you can understand how it works even if it's stupid. It can travel through space, it has a huge laser, and it powers it up and fires it at planets, and in the first movie it even has to get around the orbit of the gas giant just to fire the laser at Yavin, which is still kind of stupid in itself as in why didn't they FTL travel the death star to a location that wasn't an orbit? Why does it have to orbit at all anyways? That's beside the point though, as stupid as that is at least it kind of makes sense.But the entire mechanism and function of the starkiller base, from the """planet""" that its on that is smaller than pluto but somehow has trees and snow and earth like gravity and thick atmosphere.... jesus I can't do this again, I can't get seething in rage about this stupid fucking scene in this stupid fucking movie AGAIN. No I won't do it.
>>223493507Andor is fucking shit. Lesbian gay leftoid wet fart of a show. Trying way too hard to be topical.
You guys are trying to argue that solid turds are better than diarrhea. You might be right but who cares, stop trying to find ways to admire it and just flush it down.
>>223493507>TFA is truly the beginning of the end of Star Wars.It was so damn weird to watch. Until this very day I don't understand how Mike could shill it. It was an absokute failure in terms of storytelling, not to mention any long term planning >the movie is supposed to introduce a new setting>we see none of it>a space superweapon blows everything up and gets exploded 5 minutes later
one final thing thing to explain just how fucking retarded starkiller is. look at the positions of the planets in the galaxy and explain to me how the fuck starkiller destroyed planets in the core worlds and it's witnessed by people on another planet entirely tens of thousands of lightyears away from both the starkiller base and the core world planets.Even if you handwave this away and say starkiller base FTL traveled to the core worlds to destroy them or some retarded shit like that, it still doesn't explain how Han and everyone else on Takodana were able to conveniently look up into the daylight sky on their planet and see the other planets blown up and be shocked by this.
>>223493566Is this a false flag to discredit sequel hate? No one can possibly think the typical sci-fi lack of scale is the single absolute worst part of the sequels
>>223493507>Andor itself is the only good nu-wars media.Which is ironic, considering that the show was as SW- lite as it could get. Just remove some names and props and you get a science fiction show that could stand on its own without having any connection to the franchise.
>>223493567I liked it a lotGives me chills down my spine watching this, unironically. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaKrm5txGCQ
>>223493617That's because you are a rube.
>>223493566>>223493589the EU had Corellians launching stars at people you're thinking way too hard about the wrong thing
>>223493642and you're a contrarian that just hates things to hate them
>>223493656The EU is retarded as well, I won't argue against that.
>>223492531>>223493494It had no substance wtf
>>223492492Rian Johnson belongs in fucking prison
>>223493663No, I dislike this show because it's poorly made topical tripe, designed to appeal explicitly to room temperature IQ redditors who still can't cope with the fact that BLOMALD BLOMPH won an election.
>>223493696It had more (rage inducing) original content that both of the JJ's sequels. You have to acknowledge certain things, even when they are utterly repulsive.
>>223492492farce awakens had done it already
>>223492896you just explained why
Which franchise is more dead guys, trek or wars?>Star Wars was always more of a story about Luke and his acquaintances, which they butchered absolutely. Star Trek was more of a setting and concept.Point for Star Trek>Star Wars works better in a cynical world, while Star Trek builds on boundless future optimism that is now mostly gone from the real worldPoint for Star Wars>Star Wars has both the sci-fi and the mystic angle, Star Trek was always just secular scientism>Star Wars is more flashy, Star Trek at least since TNG is more reserved and intellectualI think Star Wars has a broader appeal.>Star Wars has arguably produced good works recently, Star Trek hasn'tWhat do you think anons?
>>223493729>woah it was offensively lame so that means it’s le experimental?No
>>223492531kek
>>223493729Like many of his other movies, they attempts at making a colorful movie written by someone extremely bland. Similar to a stupid person trying to write a smart character. I think Looper encapsulates his films well, the whole thing is one of the most predictable movies with nothing to offer, despite the attempt at mind-bending time shenanigans. I actually didn't realize until much later that it was a Rian Johnson movie, but it made perfect sense.
>>223493806>Star Wars has arguablyi hate this shit. it's such a pussy way of presenting an opinion.
>>223493806>Star Trek builds on boundless future optimismDoes it? What used to drive the show were random ideas from old sci fi stories. Star Trek was done as soon as they ran out of them.
>>223493853Well it's not even my opinion. I hear Andor and Mandalorian are good, haven't watched it. I enjoyed nothing from star trek except, but don't tell anyone, lower decks. And that's only because I've become saturated with wokery and am starving for any sort of TNG-ish stories, and lower decks for all its flaws delivers that.
>>223492886The prequels, as divisive as they were, sustained the interest of fans of the franchise between the special editions and Disney's shitquels. Fans were buying prequel merchandise, but no-one is buying toys of Rose Tico.
>>223493806Just count the vidya
>>223493894It's not about counting absolute popularity, it's about whether either franchise can still create content that will find some success and, ideally, is good.
>>223492492>Can we all agree The Last Jedi officially killed the Star Wars franchise?TFA already did but TLJ was the point of no return where they admitted that they didnt plan out anything and made shit up as they went alongROS was even worse then the other two but no one cared anymore since everyone had checked out by then
>>223493894I liked Jedi: Fallen Order.
>>223492806I always lol when I see people post this. Is Disney supposed to randomly put out a tweet "BTW sequels were all just a bad dream, and now we're announcing a new entry into the franchise!!" And then all will be forgiven? It's never going to happen and it's stupid to even suggest it should. It's over, they killed it and moreover they have no remorse over what they did except in the context of the money they could have made if chuds just got with the program.
>>223494014could work if it got sold and the buyer shits on disney doing exactly thatwrite it off as the most expensive fan fic / cultural rape victim of its time
>Plan for a whole new movie trilogy to coast off of for the next decade >plan to make a bunch of tv shows and cartoons and spin off movies to build your own MCU>For some reason despite all the financial backing and studio involvement you allow the movies to be made without an actual planned out storyDid that fat retard kill the series for a decade? He pushed it well over the edge but Disney sure as fuck allowed it to happen practically self sabotage. I do wonder though if the sequels were well received would they have not leaned so much on the prequels for the following years or would they still be too afraid to take the story forward
>>223493892>Fans were buying prequel merchandiseRegarding vidya, fans had little choice but to buy prequel-inclusive games, as they quickly supplanted OT games. Galactic Battlegrounds and Battlefront came with prequel factions and gave them equal weight. KOTOR used aliens, themes, and visual motifs from the prequels, and even had its own version of podracing. KOTOR 2 had a Toydarian character who talked like Watto. Jedi Academy, the last game in a traditional OT series, incorporated prequel aliens. The fusion was completed by the Force Unleashed, the game that sought to fully bridge the gap between the two trilogies and cement them as a single saga in the public consciousness.It didn't matter if you objected to the prequels. Tough shit. They were going to be part of your Star Wars vidya whether you like it or not.
>>223493222Trips of pure truth.
>>223493567>it exposes capital, quick, call it gay! They must not question the establishment!
TFA is worse than TLJ. you have to be low iq to have a positive opinion of TFA, i can't think of anything nice to say about it. it's literally just a soft reboot of a new hope with the worst characters i've ever seen. the acting was terrible in a self aware way, not in the genuine way of luke in the first trilogy. to this day i still have only ever seen the first hour of TFA and not bothered with the rest of the slop. i knew it was trash from the start
>>223492492>Can we all agree The Last Jedi officially killed the Star Wars franchise?yes
>>223493617Cringe
>>223492492was objectively Rise of Skywalker that did it
>>223493566Think about this. The most blatant idiocy is being able to instantly see the explosion from halfway across the galaxy, but there in the Hosnian system, how are they seeing the light of the giant death laser before the giant death laser hits? That light IS the giant death laser. Abrams and Johnson might be the two stupidest men to ever helm projects this big. And not just stupid - arrogant and contemptuous, too, because *somebody* told them the physics of this shit and they did it anyway.
>>223492492No. It made some mistakes, like the gag with the clothe iron etc. I also think the basic plot is unclear, they're being followed but somehow it's possible for Finn to exit the ship with a smaller ship? How?But it was finally going another route instead of retreading the OT. Killing Snoke is a good unexpected way to break the 'big bad' trope. You also had force ghost Yoda with the jedi scriptures in the tree. It was interesting and there was something to explore.JJ Abrams is a fucking moron for not picking up on the set up and aggressively pivoting back to the basic OT mold in a retarded way. 'Somehow Palpatine returned' is a way bigger offense than anything Rian Johnson did.
>>223492727>make crappy serial reminiscent of camp 60s shows/films (that tried to imitate spaghetti westerns)>compared to everything else recent in the franchise it's a fucking masterpiece>end season with Luke showing up, saving the heroes, and taking away merchandising-opportunity>audience collectively loses their shit and praises it as the series that saved star wars>execs decide that the best way to capitalise on this is to bring baby yeed back, and make sure Luke NEVER does anything of worth EVER again (if he's even allowed to show up (PROTIP: he's not))>then decide to split the storyline over a completely different show, and replace Mando with a new lead for half the episodes>viewrrship tanks>decide that adapting s4 into a blockbuster film where nothing of note happens is the best way to win back audiencesboomers are a blight
>>223494290>Think about this.I still think it's the least problem of the Disney sequels.
>>223493222nice try chud, but he was afraid not spooked
>>223494212people are denial over TFA because it gave them two years of fan theories and the mindset that everything will be explained later
>>223493806star trek is deader than dead. star wars is too. i don't think star wars has any appeal anymore. kids don't care and adults are alienated
>>223493806Star wars is more dead.The difference is that Star Trek can soft retcon without issue. Nothing happened that undermines the original series. It's all alternate dimension stuff or takes place hudreds/thousands of years later so it doesn't matter.Star Wars had a godawful sequel trilogy that featured Carrie Fisher's final performance before she died. She can't undie. And disney are doubling down by making ep10 now. Star wars can't be saved. And all the retards that want the old republic or a remake with new actors are fucking idiots who probably never liked it in the first place.
>>223494350> it gave them two years of fan theories and the mindset that everything will be explained laterthe "they'll explain it later!" cope started with Lost
>>223494350TFA was a serviceable film. Not good. Watchable. Inoffensive. TLJ is unironically one of the worst blockbusters ever made.Only contrarian dipshits dispute this because hating TLJ is too mainstream. Be less fucking retarded.
>>223494378>Nothing happened that undermines the original seriesthe entire strange new worlds show undermines the original series
>>223494331Oh, it a solutely is, but it’s symptomatic of everything else - arrogance, stupidity, and contempt for the audience is how shit like the sequels gets made.
>>223494350Mike said it's good so it's good. You wouldn't disagree with such a smart man, huh?
I was out after tfa
>>223493494The Last Jedi is literally the same thing. Tacking the ending of ROTJ onto the ending of ESB is not a mind-breaking subversion of tropes, nor is it ambitious, nor is it interesting. It's precisely what JJ Abrams was doing. The exact same. The problem with all 3 movies is that none of them have any idea where to take Star Wars, they just want to kick the can down the road for the next guy.
>>223494319Should've ended at S2.
>>223494442It's crazy to see Mike praise all this Disney dogshit, including the acolyte, just to try to cling onto his long lost days of relevancy by "owning" George Lucas with his prequel "reviews" from over 2 decades ago.
>>223494413what kind of reddit post is this, the fuck does "serviceable" mean you stupid prick? tfa fucking copied a new hope, it was a glib facsimile. rey was the most offensive mary sue i've ever seen. explaining how terrible the film is would be going through the entirety of it and i'm not going to do that. tlj had absolutely no chance of being good after tfa, no matter who wrote and directed it. just fucking go back already
Mystery box shit only works when the mystery is solved at the end of the movie or season. It should never go beyond that.
>>223494460I still can’t get over the fact that the “war” took less than a week. That’s another thing they failed to capture. They destroyed all sense of scale and historic sweep.
>>223492492Star Wars was NEVER good
>>223493567Tryhard "lookit me I'm 4chan!" wannabe ass faggot
>>223492531>it was bad but at least it was bad on purpose!Where does this mentality come from? It’s so common these days.
>>223494491>esl seething because he doesn't understand englishlmao
>>223492843Should have just done this from the start.>kill off Luke in the first half of the first movie>leah(played by zendaya) ends up blowing up the Death Star >chewbacca is now just a black guy>han solo is Chinese and gay with chewy>yoda is a blue haired dyke
>>223494378>And all the retards that want the old republic or a remake with new actors are fucking idiots who probably never liked it in the first place.At this point I just assume that anyone calling for adaptation is marketing shill.While I have my own favorites, I am aware of wider fandom in nerd culture, fantasy books, vidya etc. and the ALL of them got completely raped over past 15 years. Not only was there a massive blow, I have witnessed a complete dissolution of fantasy genre as it existed in past decades.We just had Wheel of Time adaptation, and when I see people calling for Stormlight Chronicles adaptation, there is no fucking way they aren't paid shills.I hope Malazan Book of the Death and Black Company lasts a bit longer, but I thought the same about WH40k.
>>223494510>Where does this mentality come from?It's because, with the internet, it's incredibly easy to fact check complete bullshit, as well as connect you with people that can argue and explain competently.So, for example, TLJ defenders can't pretend its issues don't exist.When this happens, the only way to keep your current viewpoint (because changing your views is impossible) is to retreat back into idiotic cope like 'that's intentional!'
Inb4 dee wins
>>223494522show us your funko pop collection, redditorwhat kind of redditor faggot describes a film as fucking "serviceable?" what the FUCK does that mean, redditor? serviceable as a justification for you buying more funko pops? kill yourself, retard. go back to your /got/ redditor colony thread
>>223492492Sure, but pretending that the building blocks of the dumpster fire weren't already there in The Force Awakens is very disingenuous, Rey was already a colossal Mary Sue who somehow could fix and fly he Millenium Falcon better than Han or Chewy, Finn had already defeated Phasma anc concluded his character arc before we could even get to know him, Poe was already pointless and essentially just there to be the Han Solo of the stealth remake, Han and Leia were divorced and estranged, Ben had somehow turned to the dark side, Luke was in hiding instead of helping, there was a tacit repudiation of the prequels and pretty much nothing about them was acknowledged, and the plot was already fundamentally disconnected from Episode 6 and made no logical sense with a First Order several orders of magnitude larger and more powerful than the Empire ever was despite having zero resources because the new Republic has been in power for the last 30 years, building weaponry the size of entire planets when previously Palpatine had to play te Senate and the Federation against each other for literal decades for a slim chance at becoming emperor and using the entirery of the old Republic in order to build the Death Star.
>>223494607>posted while driving
>>223494480Treating George Lucas as the ultimate villain has aged extremely poorly. The RLM retards couldn't comprehend that a company like Yidsney would it make it 10x more soulless, and now have to eat the slop with a thousand yard stare.
>>223494495Here’s the thing about Abrams - he’s worse than a hack. He’s a talentless conman. His “mystery box” presentation on TEDTalks is an 18-minute lecture straight out of Conman 101. I don’t even think he’s intelligent enough to understand that's what it is. The “con” is trivking people into believing that there’s something in the box, but *good* authors know that, while you absolutely can keep what’s inside the box a mystery, the author themself must know what’s in it, as that’s what provides their story coherence. It’s also what makes the story meaningful.
>>223492492Somebody was spooked enough to cancel three movies at the same time. Either it was Rian or Disney.
>>223494653Kek
>>223494498Yeah they fuck that up almost immediately too by having ZERO clarification of what the stakes are.I have no idea if the First Order is some fringe group, or the remnants of the Empire still clinging on to control and just under a rebrand. I have no idea if the Resistance is actually the republic fighting off the fringe group version of the first order, or an evolution of the rebel alliance still fighting against what's left of an evil empire. I also have no idea what Rey's stake in anything here is. Luke finds out Vader "murdered" his father and then sees the Empire murder his Aunt/Uncle, THEN watches Vader kill his mentor. So by the end of that movie, Luke has a clear reason to be fighting on the side of the rebellion. Rey? She never has any personal stake in anything.
>>223492531If by substance you mean a bunch of champagne hippie arguments then sure, it will never not astound me when people who work for the richest part of one of the most wasteful industries in the planet can stand up in front of the average folk and arrogantly tell us to be better before boarding their private plane.
>>223492492>Can we all agree The Last Jedi officially killed the Star Wars franchise?Clearly. Rian is also constantly trolling this board, as well as his "friends" (people he knows but they're just hangers-on and dick-riders)AFTER TLJ, the merchandising roll-out for the next film TROS was only a single peg of figures which included other eras of Star Wars including a Hoth Rebel Soldier. Star Wars DOMINATED the toy aisles every time a film was released, and TROS had the tiniest fraction of a theatrical SW film EVER. How could that be IF TLJ hadn't killed the franchise?
>>223492727>>223492765The Mandalorian had exactly one thing that made it a success and it had nothing to do with the quality of the show, the normies simply latched to "Baby Yoda" because it was a cute concept, when they actually watched the show it bored them in three minutes, and Disney making that middling success into a full on movie shows just how desperate they are to fix the massive disaster that Kathleen Kennedy created with the sequel trilogy.
>>223492980>Mandalorian was a cashgrab to sell merch to kidsThis, and I don't know how retarded someone has to be to not see this. Boba Fett and Yoda are two of the most popular characters, and the show was conceived shortly after Baby Groot was HUGE in toy sales. It's clearly a Focus-Group derived show.
AYO
>>223494722the baby yoda thing wasn't even an original idea. they ripped off space balls and it worked top lel
>>223494738I’ve seen a pic where someone draw parallels between TLJ and Spaceballs.
>>223494626>but pretending that the building blocks of the dumpster fire weren't already there in The Force Awakens is very disingenuousAt this point it is debatable if TFA or TLJ is worse, because while Bobblehead killed Luke Skywslker and turned him into cowardly failure, it was JJ Abrams who wrote the original trio and New Republic as failures. Everything was there, BUT JJ had benefit of the doubt and future explanationThere HAS to be a reason why Han regressed.There HAS to be a reason Leia was chased off into exile.There HAS to be a reason Luke is missing.There HAS to be a reason Republic failed.
>>223494778the New Republic lasted longer in Disney canon than in EUthe reasons the Republic fails every time have been explored for decades at this point
>>223494815Yes, but in EU it is due to 40 years long war with various faction. In Disney cannon they dissolved themselves.
>>223492492MAKE PRINCESS LEAH DRINK SPACE PISS YOU FUCKING COWARD
>>223494638>Here’s the thing about Abrams - he’s worse than a hack. He’s a jew. His “mystery box” presentation on TEDTalks is an 18-minute lecture straight out of Jew 101.Let's keep things simple
>>223493507Big space lasers… what’s the issue?
>>223494845they're actually still around in Disney canon and the movies just completely fail to mention thatthe First Order was relatively small and contained to one corner of the Galaxy which isn't portrayed well at allthe 'Resistance' is not the New Republic they are a backwoods insurgent offshootthe New Republic inexplicably does nothing at all during the sequels despite still being around in the background
>>223493892Even if the prequels were botched, nobody hated the characters themselves. So they spit out shows, toys, vidya like no other.
>>223494815It's not about the Republic failing, it is about why it fails, the Republic could last five minutes or a thousand years and it wouldn't matter as long as why it failed makes sense, the Disney movies fail to provide this crucial detail, we see about four seconds of the new Republic before it gets vaporized by the First Order, and we all know why they did this, they didn't want to make Episode 7, they wanted to remake Episode 1 but woke, and they couldn't be assed to think up of a way to do it and have it make sense within the larger narrative of the series so they just symbollically nuked the fuck out of everything that was achieved in the first 6 episodes in a single swoop.
>>223494480Was so looking forward to him ripping apart TFA like he did the prequels. Was a big disappointment and felt like they bought him off
>>223494925Episode 4*, sorry.
>>223494889Kek
>>223494925Spot on.
All those fan ideas are also retarded so if they listened to fans the movies wouldn't be good either.
>>223494922See, nobody would know any of that because it is not in the movies, and even if it was it makes zero sense because of how gigantic they make the conflict seem.If the First Order is a powerless offshoot terrorizing some insignificant backwater corner of the galaxy how the fuck are they converting entire planets into Hyper Death Stars when pregiously Palpatine explicitly needed to take over all the resources and manpower of the Republic in order to build a Death Star? Why do they have tech several orders of magnitude more impressive than what the Empire had when they were fighting the Rebellion for the destiny of the whole galaxy? Why are the heroes that saved the Republic and their child even involved? Why is the Millenium Falcon conveniently abandoned in this one planet at the center of the conflict? Why does the ehole thing eventually lead the new "heroes" to explore the ruins of the original Death Star andz eventually, to the home planet of the Sith? However you try to explain it it doesn't make sense to claim that this is a small scale conflict the new Republic had no interest in because it is so small scale and unimportant.
>>223493617This is the gayest fucking shit I’ve ever seen. You have some kind of endocrine disfunction going on. Dangerously high estrogen levels are likely.
>>223495062turn on your screen
>>223494676> I have no idea if the Resistance is actually the republic fighting off the fringe group version of the first order, or an evolution of the rebel alliance still fighting against what's left of an evil empire.Bear in mind that given the age of Luke Han and Leia, the New Republic must have been longer lived than the Empire and they are STILL jacking off rather than tackling the First Order
>>223493617>Video of a drunk woman rambling plays while a bunch of fat niggers sit around.What exactly am I supposed to be getting from this other than second hand embarrassment for the state of this franchise? I mean, sure, it's not "THE POWER OF MAAAAAANY" dyke space witches levels of bad, but how is this dull shit moving in any way, shape or form?
>>223495087Pathetic attempt at a retort.
It was probably all the tv shit, Han Solo reboot, rogue one, et cetera. Just began to feel like slop.
>>223495038we just don't knowDisney failed to realize that the EU was popular as a 'universe' and not a singular convenient story devoid of wider context
I stopped being excited after the first trailer and not because of boyega.
>>223495130You don’t get it they are resisting the Sith Lord voldetrump
>>223495141No, he got you good.
>>223494442nah he had a point in terms of directing JJs shit could/should have worked much better than with nutrek. you just dont let the guy write and directand no i am not defending JJ all these hollywood nepo faggots need to fucking go they can not create only corrupt at this point
Tlj isn't even that bad. I was genuinely surprised by the reaction. Fucking 40 year olds crying about luke skywalker. Embarrassing shit.
>>223495130This shit is what people say makes Andor good lmfao. Andor glazers are braindead. It's one of the worst pieces of Star Wars Disney ever made.
>>223493490>The soulless approach was better.It wasn't. TFA is like vapor once you think about it. The idea that it was gonna set up anything good is a laughable cope in retrospect.
>>223495277>Tlj isn't even that badits terribleits not even a objective fun movie its terrible for fans and casual audiences
>>223495277It was complete dogshit and you are exposing yourself
>>223495307I knew TFA was going to be bad as soon as Boogaloogayega jump scared the camera in the trailer.
>>223495277Yeah I didn't think it was that bad lol
the worst part about TLJ is that it starts 5 minutes after the first movie making it that the events of two movies happen over a weekendfriday rey was a on a desert planet (not tatooine because disney is very original) pulling the sand out of her crotch, on saturday they destroy deathstar 3 and on monday morning shes the last and most powerful jedi left in the galaxy
>>223495339>Bombs falling IN SPACE.It's only good to make fun of how amazingly ignorant Hollyiews are.
>>223495333same that shot was done on purpose. you either get it or you dont
>>223495376This.Remember when even space Jesus who was birthed with no father from the ver will of the force still had to undergo 20 years of Jedi training to know how to use a light saber? Now Rey Sue can mind trick and defeat Sith Lords six hours after discovering that she's force sensitive.
>>223495308>>223495321Lol, it wasn't worse than any random flick from this shitty franchise. It was better than tfa at least and that crap made manchildren soiface.
desu there's just nothing else to do with Star Wars. It was a very simple story. It's like trying to tell more and more stories about the 3 little pigs. Like where did the wolf come from? Doing a whole story about how he learned to huff and puff. And going into the history of the pigs. none of this matters. We had the story. move on
>>223495466Just make an original story in star wars universe like kotor.
>>223495466haha
>>223495466If the universe and the lore are rich enough to support it you can tell more stories, the mistake so many make is trying to continuously tie the stories back to what came before, you don't have to keep making the story about the wolf and thre three pigs, maybe on the other side of the woods there's a duck living in a pond having a property spat with a swan, or a bear in a cave who lost his wife to a huntsman, but noooo, everything has to involve the same fucking wolf and pigs.
>>223495497kotor wasnt even that original it recycled a lot of story elements from the moviesit worked because it was set in different era / unique art style and while it was basic it was still very good story twisteven bioware at their worst put out some very good storylines with kotor online but modern disney has zero talent
>>223495437It was totally unwatchable from start to finish and one of the worst pieces of media I’ve ever seen. I can’t even understand why or how someone would attempt to defend it. Even for the sake of being a contrarian this is beyond the pale.
>>223495539>kotor wasnt even that original it recycled a lot of story elements from the moviesAnon you might be retarded
>>223495553i liked how people pretended the sequels are gonna become fan favorites a decade after their release just like the prequels
>>223495539Yeah, their idea for a star wars story was finding luke's lightsaber.
>>223495553Because it wasn't that bad? Some good cinematography, cool creatures, rey and kylo as romeo and juliet of the force, jedi being wrong about the force like the sith, all pretty good ideas.
>>223495564the game begins with an attack on a Republic ship, an escape to a planet , the rescue of a key force sensitive and discovering the protagonist's own connection to the Force thats basically the first part of new hopethen we get informal jedi traning similar to empire with a identity twist regarding the main character.the story ulminates in a final planetary assault, ground battles, and an showdown on an ultimate space weapon which is return of jedicherry on top you are traveling on the millennial falcon 2.0 with discount chewie, r2d2 and killer c3pono anon you are the retard
>>223495277Hi Rian. Don't worry, Glass Onion is even bigger pile of shit than TLJ. Legit worst movie I have ever seen.
>>223495376You are exaggerating.
>>223492492____ insisting on putting ______ in everything is what killed ____.
>>223494319they FUCKED IT UP because they turned it into the starbucks show, made it all about princess mando and her quest to get the throne.
>>223492492I only ever watched TFA and already thought it was shockingly bad. Just a soulless rehash with nothing creative or interesting.I can only imagine how bad TLJ is. Also, why does this guy type like a teenage girl?
>>223492492Nope. The Star Wars franchise is OFFICIALLY still alive and kicking, OP.
>>223493018No it wasn't, it was copying it.
>>223493806Star Wars is far more optimist than Trek. Trek was bullshit transhumanist troon trash. Lucas designed SW to bring back classic fairytale and serial magic, bring people back to when stories had meaning.Star Wars has also not produced anything good in the entirety of the Disney era and thinking otherwise is retarded. Blandor completely misses the point of Star Wars and is designed by people that hate Star Wars.
>>223493566>literally makes my blood boil>literallyHow are you alive?
>>223494212Agreed. People seem to think TLJ derailed all the character arcs from TFA, but they were all turned into a complete joke within that first movie alone.
>what killed Star Wars
>>223492765it was decent for the first 3 episodes but it went to shit and never really recovered after ep4, people just started seeing it for what it was somewhere during s2
>>223495939There is a video on TFA by a guy called Despot of Antrim which dismantles the myth that TFA had ANY potential.That being said, I get why people defend JJ. He's just a clueless idiot who likes big shit and nostalgia and baits people with retarded mystery boxes. On the other hand Rian clearly fucking loathes Star Wars and everyone related to it and is the epitome of a predditor who has a superiority boner.
>>223495908Replacing. And they really thought they'd pulled it off.
>>223492531FPWP
>>223495277>Fucking 40 year olds crying about luke skywalker. Embarrassing shit.(Late) Gen X are truly subhuman, they worship DeLoreans and Ghostbusters
>>223495998I don't think TFA is anti-OT, I think Jar Jar is like RLM and all those clueless retards who watched the Star Wars OT and loved it superficially while ignoring any of the depth. Reminds me of people who think Back to the Future is just a le heckin' quirky time travel movie and not a movie about personal development and growth as a result of reflection on time.Meanwhile, what it DEFINITELY is is anti-PT. The first fucking like is "this will begin to make things right" and the movie has so many hidden jabs at the Prequels it's insane. Like I said, JJ is an RLM fan for sure.
>>223495939>the first movie sucked so it’s good that they made things even worse with the second movie!Why do people keep trying to make this argument?
>>223495376>the worst part about TLJ is that it starts 5 minutes after the first movieBecause of JJ's disney cliffhanger post credits scene
>>223495972Maybe up until the point Rey and Finn meet there was a glimmer of potential. Of course it was never going to happen with how things were being run, but an AWOL traumatized stormtrooper and desert scavenger meeting up with the OT heroes and discovering the galaxy for the first time was a pretty impressive plot hook that only an utterly rancid combination of incompetence and malice could fail to make anything watching out of.
>>223496072*worth watching
>>223496034>yes, the first movie sucked. But the second movie killed the franchise!Just cope for people embarrassed that they söyfaced over seeing Luke in a post credits scene
>>223493494It's a contender for the worst sequel of all time and is a genuinely awful film
>>223496168>worst sequel of all timeJohn Wick 2
>>223492727Digging it up how, exactly? By setting up all the events that lead to Luke Skywalker trying to kill his nephew and Palpatine being all the Sith while her genetic daughter is all the jedi?
>>223496034Why do your parents/guardians not do a better job of restricting your internet access?
>>223492492Nah. I HATED The Last Jedi, and it killed the passion I had for Star Wars. But I know I’m not the average viewer. It wasn’t for me, but I did see plenty of discussion from people who genuinely liked it.I unironically believe that if The Rise of Skywalker had been good, it could have saved the franchise. But it wasn’t. It basically spat in the faces of the people who liked The Last Jedi while also proving the people who hated it right.
>>223492765Mandalorian should have been a Boba or Jango Fett showInstead it was a shitty self insert OC fantasy which cucked Boba and added the fucking cutesy sidekick character cause that's Filoni's only real fucking trick to get people to watch shit (Rotta, Ahsoka, Grogu, Omega, Maul's twilek apprentice)
>>223496034the point was that nothing had a chance of being good after TFA. there was nothing to work with. this isn't saying TLJ is good or bad, it doesn't matter
>>223496591TFA despite being terrible could have worked IF at the end the empire wins setting the tone for the new trilogy.the "bad" guys won are in charge and have a ultimate super weapon holding the galaxy hostage. the leftover republic are on the run and rey is looking for luke
>>223492531this it unironically had soul unlike JJ's A New Hope rehash
>>223492492i turned it off midway, never watched teh third onethe didney star wars output has been inconsistent and disappointing at best, with a number of gems no one should skipthe nuwars trilogy was unequivocally dogshit tho
>>223492492i haven't watched starwars since the 2015 slop with the black dude..
>>223496667no, it wouldn't have. the reality it is that the film was a feminist reboot of a new hope. the retarded plot is only one issue of the film. everything in the film sucked, it felt like a ride at disneyworld that took itself too seriously>MEMBER A NEW HOPE MEMBER PRACTICAL EFFECTS ALIENS MEMBER STAR WAAARSat least TLJ tried to be original even if it was shit. i wouldn't know the details on how shit TLJ was since i never watched it
>>223492531Being intentionally subversive is worse and lazier than just being cliche.
>>223496826>at least TLJ tried to be original even if it was shithow was it original?
>>223496906No lightsabers touch
>>223496837Tell that to artists
>>223492531>JewJew
Rian's main issue is he really, really wanted to grow star wars up a bit. Like he wanted Star Wars to stop telling the same four stories over and over again. The fans tho were like give us another super weapon and evil wizard in black please. lol. Oddly enough the Andor show did this much better than him by just keeping its eyes on the people without super powers. Can we get the powers and the elevated writing or are we just going to get Mando style glorified power rangers shows forever? Time will tell. Either way Star Wars makes enough money you all should support experiments with the format. They did the death star laser four times? Come on now.
>>223497350>wanted to grow star wars up a bitprobably shouldn't start the movie with a childish yo mama joke if that's the case
>>223492492Sure. As the best movie in the franchise, it's easy to see how no other movie they made would surpass it.
>return of the jedi>no jedi in TFAThat's basically it. No matter what they did with the sequels its a stop gap until they make a sequels with several active Jedi again. This would allow several spin offs and tv series. All leading to a huge avengers endgame type movie. People sat TLJ made Luke a loser. But he was a loser the moment there were no jedi in TFA. He failed.
>>223497350Your type is the reason Star Wars fucking sucks. Lucas designed Star Wars to be an archetypal story that translated to the hearts of literally anyone by appealing to basic human storytelling tendencies. Star Wars has always been heavily connected to experimental cinema and classic opera and theater.But Rian and the faggots behind Andor can't understand that because they were raised under the gay jewish system where fantasy and storytelling has to be ultra-cynical bullshit that always fucking reflects real life shit nobody cares about. Andor is the most blatant, boring, heartless MUH NOTSSEEEEES slop possible. TLJ is the most obvious fuck you to Lucas' incredible effort, from a writer which evidently sees human stories as "childish" because they don't reflect his cynical antihuman view of the world, hence the bastardization of the Original Trilogy, the complete disrespect towards the Prequels and the general modern Marvel-tier sentiment that Star Wars "was childish and heckin' needed to be reworked into PURE ARTFUL KINO CINEMA BROS" despite the fact Lucas is demonstrably far more of a film buff than the poser retard Ruin Jackass could ever be.There is no difference between the consooomer who argues for more vague slop which reuses recognizable icons (the Death Star, the Jedi, the fighters, the Sith, the Rebels, the Empire, the Falcon) without grasping the true depth behind them and the pretentious imbecile who wants to destroy that depth to replace it with his own soulless generic grimdark slop. Both are utter fucking faggots.
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>>223497350>he wanted star wars to grow up a bit his self admitted feelings on star wars entirely stem from him breaking his toy millennium falcon toy as a child because he threw it and expected it to fly, like a retard
>>223497466I like star wars but I don't see any of the grandiose bullshit you diehards attribute to it. Classic opera and theater my ass. lol This shit you think is timeless comes from it being a retooled of a Flash Gordon pitch. I'm going to need you to get all the way off that high horse.
>>223496498>I unironically believe that if The Rise of Skywalker had been good, it could have saved the franchise.Lol no. TFA was the beginning of the end.TLJ wouldn't be good even if it came with a free whore and a beer. TROS wouldn't be good even if it came with a free whorehouse and a brewery.
>>223492531>it's more spiteful, and gay, but Rian put more thought into it so that means it's bettermidwits really believe this shit
>>223492492No specific movie or product killed Star Wars. Disney did, their gay story group did, their pandering and faggoty direction did. It was literally impossible to make a good Star Wars trilogy under such conditions, because as a creative, you are still beholden to their whims.
Star Wars was always shit and all Star Wars fags should die ASAP. Alec Guinness was right. Imagine devoting your life and spending every waking moment obsessing over a shitty toy advertisement for toddlers.
>>223497623Because you are clueless about the topic. Which is fine since most people are. I'm not saying I'm super knowledgeable on the topic either, I'm investing time into it, but degrading Star Wars to a Flash Godron pitch is absurd.Just watching the films, there are shots and scenes in them based on classic cinema, and I mean actual classic cinema. Shots of Coruscant and character costuming reminescent of Metropolis, the podrace based on the chariot race in Ben Hur, references to multiple old serials, etc. Padme and Anakin's relationship is very clearly operatic in nature, an Othello-style downfall and the dialogue reflects that (it's the reason why so many people hate the Prequels' dialogue, it was meant to be metaphorical and prosaic but people were expecting literal quirky Marvel dialogue). The PT is overtly clear with this being larger scope but the OT is full of it too, I mean the entire premise of the OT is the hero's journey per Campbell whose book details many variants throughout history which Lucas took inspiration from. Stuff like the binary sunset and Vader's pyre are very clearly lifted from classical storytelling metaphors.
>>223497623>I don't see any of the grandiose bullshit you diehards attribute to it.To me it's the weird framing of Luke as some aspirational hero of modern culture. He's a blank slate farmboy with 2 or 3 scenes of personal growth.
>ripping off better works for your shitty toy ad means it's goodlmaoooStar Wars fans be like "Yoo, doood, it's like classic cinema or something...", and you just know they have never actually watched any of that classic cinema, and they just parrot some faggot video essay. Cartoon rabbit stepping into shit and saying "mui mui dissen berry bad" is totally pure art!
>>223497808Great artists steal
>>223497749They really need Star Wars to be this deep meaningful thing when its really just a very basic ass fantasy story but set in space. Complete was a farm boy that becomes a knight, a princess, evil wizards and everyone getting a medal at the end then turning to take a bow like its a fucking school play. I can't even engage with this shit because they just ignore all the foundational shit that spits in the face of this self serious interpretation of the work.
>>223497842George Lucas isn't a "great artist." He's a businessmen, tech bro and a toy salesman. We have Lucas to thank for soulless commercialization and merchandisation of cinema and for sterile CGI slop birthed by the prequels that carried over into MCU crap. He's not really interested in art and he is incapable of perceiving or conveying human emotion, as evident by the prequels.>I AM SO IN LOVE!>NO, I AM SO IN LOVE *hehehe*>I WISH I COULD WISH AWAY MY FEELINGS!>FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THE JEDI ARE EVIL!Riveting.You have to be either a literal child (this shit is for 12 year olds after all) or an imbecile to defend any of this crap, because you clearly don't know any better or you're literally retarded.
>>223497749Again, hero's journey and a lot of people miss subtler moments in Luke's personal development. But then again it's predictable that Disney-tier modern consumers are unable to understand these intrinsically human traits, I reiterate the modern world is inherently cynical, jaded and contemptuous of storytelling in a human manner. Hence why films are the way they are and why modern people cannot look at Star Wars seriously.In the modern world, stories always have to be literal and cynical. How many people will argue that Apocalypse Now is "more serious and mature" than Star Wars, completely ignoring the more profound ideas that were being proposed by the movie in favor of it being little more than a war movie about war bad? And of course then comes the retarded "media literacy" claims from people who have no clue.>>223497808Bad bait, nigger. Literally every classic work has inspiration in another.Also using Jar Jar is the biggest strawman possible and more proof for my argument. Per the modern Reddit-minded world, a movie cannot have ANYTHING SILLY whatsoever, nothing that showcases whimsy or fun. For something to be "mature", it needs to be the dreariest, most boring shit possible.Even fucking Breaking Bad had Walt go around in his tighty whities and Saul Goodman. Of course Breaking Bad is still somewhat Reddit brained too but it's far better in most respects.>>223497871You simply refuse to engage with the material in any deeper way. You are biased towards seeing Star Wars as immature. Once you are unable to think of traditional storytelling as being able to have meaning, you are doomed to being lost in the modern cynical worldview where nothing matters. Frankly I pity people like you, you're missing out on far more meaning than modern media could ever have.
>223497923Actual manchild, living and breathing, who has never moved beyond shitty space wizard flicks for toddlers. Observe.
>>223492980As it should be
>>223493038TFA ruined Star Wars. It basically resets the stage which shits all over the original characters, their story and achievements within that story.I don't get how Star Wars fans don't see it.
>>223498074I find it funny, that TLJ was supposed to parrot the Empire Strikes Back, but Johnson wrecked the setup beyond repair and did his own thing instead.No surprise Palpatine had to somehow return and destroy what was left of Abram's reputation.
