he doesn't

That's because Aragorn is a ranger who prefers the bow and would rather not fight hand-to-hand, unless he was fighting in a band. Lannister when he had both hands was a dueler.
The whole question is capeshit anyway.

>>223584675
Criticizing Tolkien might be the easiest way to offend this board

Who has the better tax policy tho?

I kind of get what GRRM really intended to say with that comparison, even if he's too stupid to verbalize it properly.

Jaime has all kinds of villainous traits but his most defining trait is that he is an insanely skilled swordsman. That's his defining trait, and why him losing his sword hand changes him so much.

Aragorn's abilities are more evenly spread out. He is a leader, a healer, a warrior, a tracker, a protector, a king, a scholar, etc. So in a sense, being a strong warrior is a bigger part of Jaime's identity than being a strong warrior is part of Aragorn's identity.

>>223584722
Aragorn is like 6'6" and descended from a line of essentially demigod humans.

>>223584687
Why does he pretend he doesn't when he keeps saying retarded shit like this?

>>223584701
Aragorn is a demigod

>>223584675
Unc playing with his dolls again

>>223584739
Isildur and Anarion were demigods but by the time we get down to Aragorn, they're just those weird elflovers innawoods. Strider is described like Clint Eastwood in some Western.

>>223584777
check out the Spaceballs enjoyer calling someone unc

>>223584753
>Author thinks his character could beat up the other guy
woooah shocking, also pretty sure that quote is like 15 years old at this point. Misinterpreting and rehashing GRRM quotes is one of the easiest ways to get (You)s on this website

I wonder why Grrm never got I'm trouble over all the pedophilia in his books.

People joke and raise an eyebrow at Stephen King but GRRM goes in great detail about how 13 year old Daenerys is raped and nobody thinks it's weird.

>>223584757
Yeah sure buddy

>>223584675
>a super human veteran that has fought for the last 72 years and is still in his prime.
vs
>some posh guy famous for backstabbing his King and pushing a kid down the tower.

>>223584890
like with distances and money, age of characters are all messed up, the story makes more sense if you add 5 years to everyone's ages

>>223584722
When was this even shown? Like he stabbed the mad king in the back, that's not "swordsmanship" or whatever the fuck. I thought the entire point was his mythos was a lie.

>>223584923
>I thought the entire point was his mythos was a lie.
No? Why the fuck would you think it's a lie.

If you want an example of when it's shown, it's only in the books. At the battle of Whispering Woods, Robb takes 18000 men and ambushes Jaime's troops in the middle of the night. Even though he knew he lost, Jaime charged solo into Robb's ranks and tried to break his way through to kill Robb. And he nearly succeeds, even reaching and killing some of Robb's personal guard, only failing because his sword gets stuck in someone's chainmail.

>>223584675
Aragorn is literally a superhuman, something like Captain America

>>223584786
Aragorn has elven blood in him too.

>>223584923
the story definitely needed more Jaime scenes of him fighting, because we can only rely on the opinions of other good fighters and there's not really a debate if he was actually that gifted at sword fighting. He's just one of those fuckers that's hot and super talented and it makes you hate the guy even more

>>223584675
isn't Aragorn from a super soldier race?

>>223584675
Well, consider Martins a GURPSfag, its not really surprising.
It also didn't help him that MERP was superior to both the latter, aswell as Rolemaster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE-1RPDqJAY

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Serious answer?
It's because his idol, Michael Moorcock, also likes to criticize Tolkien.
Yep, GRRM is that pathetic.
His donut-steel character Bloodraven is modelled after Elric of Melniboné.

>>223584675
Jamie got humbled by Ned, captured, hand cut off and forced to drink piss. He did fuck all after this happened

>>223584675
Jaime Lannister was just a skilled swordsman, while Aragorn was borderline superhuman with like 60 years more experience and two hands

>>223584675
Aragorn goes through the entire battle of Pelennor Fields in the thickest part of the fighting with 30 Dunedain, and doesn’t take a single wound, not even a scratch. GRRM is talking out his ass yet again. He fights the Shade of Sauron at the black gates and survives that shit too

>>223584786
If you think none of the strength of the ancients is still in him, how do you explain him being like 90 years old?

>>223584895
Jamie is a normal man with a normal lifespan who looked his age while Aragorn was in his 80s during LotR and didn't look his age due to his demigod blood

>>223584923
What?

>>223584890
not every depiction is an endorsement. Drogo is an illiterate barbarian warlord who is killed by an infection after he gets in a spat with a subordinate. His use of Danaerys is depicted as dehumanizing and we only begin to sympathize with him because she becomes fond of him as the wellspring from which her own burgeoning authority in the khalasar stems. Any other pedophile character, outside of the nobles consumating marriages, is viewed with scorn

>>223584675
Jaime got his ass kicked by a woman.

>>223584687
He absolutely did think he could beat Rand Al’Thor. There’s no ifs or buts about that one.

Aaragorn doesn’t even have a sword in the first book, he carries around the broken one so he can take it out and wave it around when he needs to prove who he really is

>>223584675
Jamie Lannister couldn't even beat his own meat

>>223585241
> My extremely detailed and fetishizes pedophilic content in my book is totally depicted as bad.

Right. Let me guess, 40 year old fat and creepy GRRM going into great detail about underage Daenerys nipples leaking milk when her dragons were born is also depicted as bad and criticism on "barbarian pedophilia"?

Next you're gonna say CP is good so long as it has a "this is... Le bad!!!" Sign on the top right of the screen.

>>223584956
>Why the fuck would you think it's a lie.
because they never show a single example of him being le ebin master?

>>223584890
>wonder why Grrm never got I'm trouble over all the pedophilia in his books.

Because he is a party aparatchik. He carries a good chunk of responsibility for the state of fantasy literature publishing.
Only reason why you don't hear of him more often is because he is lazy.

>>223585454
that's generally just a GRRM problem, he loves saying these things but not conveying them well
same for Arthur Dayne being the so called greatest of knights ever and best 1v1er of all time but we don't know about any of his feats and instead just know he got rekt by Ned who's not all that good

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>>223584675
That's great but so far Jaime
>threw a kid out of a window
>got beaten up by a girl
>backstabbed oldass schizo
>.........

Actually that's pretty much it.

>>223585454
When he fights Brienne from her POV she thinks about how ridiculous it is that he’s this good despite being in chains and having been left to rot in a cage for months.
Also most of the characters that say he’s great hate his guts they have no reason to lie.
Tyrion also says he’s great despite being pretty frank about all of Jaime’s flaws

>>223585548
>the woman, joke character, thinks he's an okay fighter

>>223585472
The whole thing is too much setup and not enough pay off

aragorn is to jamie what jamie is to podrick

>>223584956
There is the rather prominent scene of ned talking to jamie about his skill as a swordsman and that his armour doesn't have a single scratch on it and jamie jokingly says people have been swinging constantly but cant get a hit in
You could take it either way but in the show its implied his skill is at least a little exaggerated

>>223584675
>does
Aragorn has fought countless foes while jamie is a noble swordsman with some experience but extremely limited when compared to aragorn. Aragon has decades of experience fighting monsters and all sorts of foes and was taught be elves etc

Jamie is best at fucking his alcoholic psycho sister.

Boromir could easily defeat jamie, jamie killed what 10 soldiers and was then defeat and caught alive while Boromir could not be captured and had to be killed with arrows after he had killed at least 20 orcs and seeing attacking him up close was suicide tens of them fired arrows and killed him. And he was defending two hobbits.

Jamie... was just....well....a moron that pushed a kid off a tower and could not even kill it.

>>223584739
Aragorn is stronger than him, to be sure. The steadfast, Lord of Dor-lómin Húrin Thalion as well, in his heyday, and Túrin Turambar. Amongst the living, Lurtz was stronger, Gimli most likely, Durin's Bane for a certainty. The Balrog's strength was like nothing human. It did not matter. With speed and skill, Jaime could beat them all

>>223584956
>a-alright time for me to prove im le epic badass fighter
>kills a couple poor farm boys who just marched 1000 miles on foot
>gets captured

>>223584675
>manchildren vs manchildren
kys both

>>223585693
Jaime killed a couple of highborn sons who would have received training from masters at arms and armor but they might have been teenagers. The thing with Jaime is that he has the makings of a legend but he never became one

>>223584722
>Jaime has all kinds of villainous traits but his most defining trait is that he is an insanely skilled swordsman

In a world full of sickly emaciated peasants and feminine spoiled rich boy knights as his only rivals. The Samurai were incredible swordsmen in their closed system too and when the Portuguese showed up the samurai thought they were hot shit and challenged the Europeans to duels and got their asses handed to them so fucking hard by European SAILORS that the Japanese had to forbade their "warriors" from duelling them to save face.

Turns out being "le heckin bestest swordsman evah" means jack shit when your only experience of real combat is fighting bums and the guy you're fighting is physically bigger and stronger and used to fighting actual threats. Jaime is a fucking manlet compared to Aragorn and Aragorn has spent a century fighting the hardest orcs, goblins, bandits, and other foul war hardened denizens middle earth has to offer. Jaime killed some conscripts 15 years ago and takes the martial equivalent of ballet class.

>>223585546
Was Jaime cutting down a dozen Stark men before being captured a show invention?

>>223585749
that's like ragging on Aragorn for fighting a bunch of goblin-sized "orcs" for decades while being a two meter tall super soldier

>>223585706
Oh yeah bro go back to watching One Battle After Another and footbal, you adult you.

>>223585764
No, he's rightly feared in the 7 kingdoms for his impeccable swordsmanship in addition to his more general notoriety. He slaughtered plenty of Robb's soldiers in addition to some of the sons of his bannermen

>>223585419
go back to /d/ you fucking pervert

>>223584675
>My guy can beat up your guy!
>*Dies from fatness before ever finishing his series*
Bravo george

he gives his reason in the actual quote
>“I think Jaime would probably take Aragorn, especially if he was allowed to be armored.” “Armor was invented for a reason. It’s good to wear armor if you’re fighting with sharp pieces of metal.”

>>223585826
If all Aragorn fought were goblins, then yeah he'd be directly comparable to Jaime. But Middle Earth has a variety of varied threats from tricky little goblins to hulking wargs and wolves and Aragorn consistently fights them all over decades upon decades. Again, Jaime is a prissy little rich boy who fought half starved peasants and other little untested rich boys like himself. Even ignoring the sheer size and attitude difference, Aragorn wins through experience.

>>223584675
GRRM is the type of person who would post in fluffy abuse threads and enjoy it.

Aragorn had a magic elven sword. The first time they clashed blades he'd probably cleave right through whatever piece of shit castle forged steel Jaime was holding

>>223585950
Aragorn does have more experience. I was not making a case for Jaime, I was saying he fought more than underaged peasant levies and his skill is something the author established and not smoke and mirrors. To say that is tantamount to saying Aragorn only fought misshapen midgets. Jaime cut down at least three of Robb's bannermen in a single charge who were highborn sons from martial houses, that has to be worth something. Robb genuinely thought he was about to die because nothing was stopping Jaime until it did. Shit happens I guess but Jaime is a pretty solid combatant. If Jaime is in full plate as he normally would be and with a heater shield and sword and Aragorn is as we usually see him and without a magic sword, then Jaime has a legitimate shot at winning this

>>223585903
Which touches on how retarded Westeros's world building is. In reality when heavily plate armored soldiers began appearing on the battlefield everyone rapidly began to adopt polearms and war hammers specifically to counter it. In Westeros the vast majority of characters still use longswords as their go to weapon. This is obviously a cultural thing to preserve the power and lives of the rich armored banner men and knights since they don't actually want their ruling class to regularly kill itself off in escalating wars that would lead to revolutions like it did irl. Being the best fighter in such a formalized warrior society means nothing.

>>223586006
Gurm doesn't actually know anything about history or culture.
You think he's aware of the Oxcart paradox?

>>223586006
They idealize the sword and dueling but men like Robert used a war hammer, Yohn Royce has been known to use maces, Criston Cole had a morning star, etc. And foot soldiers/men at arms do have weapons like pole axes, but Grrum likes his swordsmen

>>223584675
what year is this?
sounds more like the suvudu matchups you had late 00's, early 10's

>even grrm now considers GoT on par with marvel and capeshit
this is what happens when you dont finish your stories kids

>>223586003
Aragorn would shoot Jaime with an arrow or throw a knife through his helmet slit or unarmored joint before Jaime ever got within reach of him. If Aragorn had neither he'd just duck and dodge and weave while the heavily encumbered Jaime flailed about and got tired. Aragorn is a magical capeshit character, he can run literal hundreds of miles and leap dozens of feet without tiring. Jaime is a regular human, and as we've seen multiple times in ASOIF/Game of Thrones from Bronn to Oberyn, armor is irrelevant if the other person has more stamina and has experience fighting. Even Jorah nearly died against an unarmored teenaged/early 20s tribesman who lost only because he wasn't experienced enough to carry a knife in addition to his dumb sickle sword.

>>223586088
Yes Aragorn could snipe Jaime but that wouldn't be a fight. And Aragorn didn't exactly sprint the entire distance with Gimli and Legolas. Tywin's blitz of the Riverlands is far more cartoonish than that. You're talking about plate armor like it's a handicap in a fight. Jorah won because he had plate armor and directly addressed and countered Qotho

>>223584916
Fucking accurate.

>>223585134
Shit, that’s not even the only character who is. Arguably, Rhaegar and The Darkstar are too, not to mention that Valyria is literally Melniboné.

>>223584701
Aragorn is a member of the high race of Numenor, from the royal house of kings, descended from Earendil and Elros the brother of Elrond, and from Luthien, the half-Maiar Elf lady of Doriath. He has superhuman heritage and would take a massive shit on some opportunist king killer who fucks his sister.

>>223584675
Aragorn has fought trolls, orcs, goblins, wargs, ringwraiths and countless men and hes from a long line of super humans

>>223585568
You're being retarded on purpose aren't you.

>>223584786
Isn’t he 90 years old. Doesn’t he at one point run for 2 days straight at a sprint with no breaks? He’s superhuman. Not really sure why grrm would even say that. It’s like comparing Achilles to an Alexander the Great or something. Obviously the magic superhuman would win

>>223586342
You wouldn't rightly assume Jaime would lose to a wildling in single combat because the wildling has killed giants and hunted mammoths

>>223585548
>When he fights Brienne from her POV she thinks
what's the purpose of "from her POV" in this sentence?

>>223585996
What if Jaime has the valyrian steel sword his father gave him?

>>223586654
No. Aragorn, Legolas and Gimly covered 45 leagues in 4 days

>>223584687
The writer literally just said he does lamo dumbass

>>223585903
If he’s unarmoured, Jamie is fucked due to fighting a superhuman with decades of experience, who was taught by other superhumans with centuries of experience.
If he fights in armour he’s even more fucked, because now he’s encumbered while fighting a man armed with a magical sword that previously cut through an armoured fallen angel

>>223586736
Is there an excerpt in the entire Lord of the Rings literature where an elven sword cuts through a regular sword or plate armor? Jaime would be fighting essentially Sandor Clegane and Bronn and Mance Rayder at the same time so he has disadvantages but there is no need to artificially make up new ones

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>Good thing my armor makes me invinci- AAAARGH

>>223584675
Aragorn isnt just some human dude. He's 87 years old and has borderline superhuman physical traits. Dude took on a horde of Urukai solo killing several of them head on until his homies showed up. Dude fought a troll on foot and was actually strong enough to pary its attacks in ROTK. Homie rode hard to helms deep for three days straight after falling off a fucking cliff and then fought orcs all night and then led a charge on horseback in the morning. Aragorn mogs Jaime hard based on movie combat feats alone.

>>223586807
Like a hot knife through butter.

https://youtu.be/3BUEHcIRB7s?t=200

>>223586911
I am very sure in the books they gang banged Sauron to the ground and then cut off his finger

>>223584890
Most fantasy authors in the last 40 years come across as pedos, if you actually read their books.

>>223586994
Piers Anthony definitely is

tyrion could beat jaime

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Elric is cooler doe

>>223584687
He does though.
>I love Tolkien, I grew up reading Tolkien, now I will proceed to trash Tolkien for five minutes.
This is his whole gimmick.

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>>223586911
His fucking fingers weren't even armored that heavily. You can interpret it as Isildur cutting through the joints or the magical properties of the blade just straight-up bypassing physical durability, like when Jon clashed with the White Walker.

>>223584675
Aragorn is a mythical Übermensch with magic properties.
Jamie is just some dude with excellent swordamnship.
There's no contest.

>>223587081
you've said this about twenty times now

>>223587008
Trvthnvke, mayhaps.

>>223587114
Do you not understand its relevance?

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>>223584675
Tolkien novel is for kids and teens who still dont have a capacity to think about more complex stuff

>>223584675
depends who writes the story

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>>223584675
>>223584753
>>223585134
>>223586709
>>223587031
It's this time of the year again, huh.

>>223585134
reading more cock was the worst bait I got tricked into
the entirety of elric saga was utter garbage and felt like a fanfic written by a 12 year old

>>223584675
Aragorn would fucking body him.

>>223584675
Oh yeah well I've watched Dragon Ball Z and say Goku could easily beat Superman

>>223587376
yes but only after supes completely bags jobgeta

>>223586662
In the books, the chapters are written from the point of view of a rotating cast of characters. Jamie's liberation and transport back to Kings Landing is about half and half his narration and Brienne's. Brienne narrates the chapter in which Jamie attacks her

>>223585685
incredibly underrated post

>>223587397
Yeah but not before Vegeta gets a chance to style on a couple B-listers first. Gotta build him up before you knock him down and have him holding that left arm.

>>223587512
who gets slapped by the big V before papa Kent shows up?

>>223587010
One aspect of Elric that’s always cracked me up is his magic “skill,” as in it’s not really a skill so much as it is an inheritance passed down to him from centuries’ worth of pacts his ancestors made that these gods/demons honor as part of him being the rightful king. Sure, he knows what forces he can call on, but he doesn’t actually cast spells. He just shouts their names and hopes they’ll respond, and even once they show up, there’s no real guarantee they’ll do his bidding. It’s like the shittiest form of RPG summoning you could imagine. Imagine summoning Ifrit in a Final Fantasy game and half the time he doesn’t show up at all and the other half he proceeds to haggle with you.

the most pathetic thing about elric was trusting his fucking cousin after the dude had already betrayed him twice
was he supposed to be retarded?

>>223585325
That woman could also beat Aragorn, but you're not ready for that conversation

>>223584675
It's easy for Martin to make such stupid statements when the other author in question is dead for decades.

>>223587559
Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, and Wonder Woman for some gender equality

>>223584675
A boomer and socialist. Personally offended by people who have any principles. What do you expect.

>>223587677
>Martian Manhunter
isn't he actually greater power level than superman?

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Scrooge McDuck is the wealthiest character invented. Ever. Forever.

>Picture of GRRM's reaction:

>>223587754
>GRRUM's face when he learns about Krassus' wealth

>>223586994
Aldiss, likely (pedoporn in Helliconia Summer-Winter)
Asimov, possible (his son became one)
Clarke, proven
Delany, "Hogg"

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>>223587750
Isn't he weak to fire?

>>223587866
and oreos

>>223587183
>>223587353
Saaaar do not mock my hero saaar

>>223584675
Because Tolkien's Catholic and British, and that Vietnam dodging boomer has a missing frenulum. Sour Carthaginian grapes. Finish the story faggot.

>>223584722
>Aragorn: wilderness survival, leader of armies and small units in combat
>duellist, neigligble combat experience, only trained to win 1v1s

>>223584675
Tolkien gave us a rich well-written world. Martin gave us cock merchants and dirty pussy. Martin knows he can't compete, and will never live up to Tolkien's level.

>>223588108
>be GMMR or whatever
>be biggest fan of Moorcock
>the guy who wrote "how to write a novel in 3 days"
>take forever to write your book
what did he mean by this?

>>223588141
Martin's world may not be well written as you say and some of his world building is rancid, like basically all of Dorne and Braavos, but it's also compelling and good for immersion

>>223588141
They each have different strengths. Tolkien has great world building but tends to ignore most character work. My biggest gripe with Fellowship is how most of the book is interesting characters trekking through the woods for months and apparently never saying anything relevant to one another ever.

>>223588226
Because they are MEN. You never went on a hunting or fishing trip? No one talks about important shit. The most you will get is a knowing nod or a slight punch on the shoulder, no more.

>>223584722
Nice spacing faggot