Is kung fu as shown in the movies actually useful as a martial arts?I mean in a real world situation? Do chinese actually use it in street brawls?
>>223595882https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtpLNp24UUM
>>223595903I don’t know what this is suppose to prove. Muay Thai guy wasn’t very skilled. If Wing Chun is suppose to be the superior striking every MMA be doing it but instead it’s Muay Thai
>>223595882yeah. I'm a kung fu master. and I get in street fights all the time.
That's like assuming every American is green beret. Special skills are just training + hard work, not everyone does it
I remember reading about Chinese MMA fighter who challenged all these famous Wing Chun celebs in his country. He beat the shit out of them all. I guess Wing Chun is a scam. They're all con artists who pretend to be strong.
>>223595882Yes, Chinese have been known to use their Kung Fu martial arts in Street Fights, at least in Hong Kong, especially when Bruce Lee was attending school there. Around the same time Hong Kong was having all those protests against the Communist Chinese government a few years back, I remember watching a webm somebody posted on /pol/ where some Black tourist was yelling at an old Chinese person and then the tourist got hit with a flying sidekick-type attack by a Hong Kong Chinese person.
>>223596015That guy wasn't the first to expose what an absolute sham traditional chinese martial arts were, they would've had some presence in early MMA if they were actually practical but the sport was dominated by kickboxing and wrestling/jiujitsu/judo from the very startSanda existing is basically proof positive that they're fraudulent bullshit, you enter as a "changquan master" or whatever and just do dutch kickboxing and nobody questions it
>>223596155Checked. That’s nothing. I saw a video of some drunk tourist talking shit and a Shaolin monk hadoukened him.
>>223595882No, UFC exposed all non-grappling martial arts as a work Go watch early UFC if you want to see karate guys btfoed by boxers and grapplers/wrestlers
>>223596155Any combat form were sparring and fatal fights isn’t main thing is a scam. Why I got into youth boxing as a kid. Did some bullshit karate class where did just poses for a month and quit. First day of boxing I got thrown in against a kid older and more experienced
guy who refuses to enlist, refuses to get into conflict with others and just wants to shitpoast 4 fun > loitering drone or fast exploding drone > fast tank that can blow up tunnels or sink them > guy hiding in a tunnel with chainmaell curtains at entrance > small exploding drone > guy with gun from a distance > roided out MMA dude > dude who knows basic martial arts and practices often > dude with knife > dude with glass bottle > dude with no fighting skills and no weapon (sedentary lifestyle, office worker, low T)
what are some good martial arts for someone like me that is an incel and afraid of women?
>>223595882Using actual martial arts irl looks nothing like what we see in any movies. Some mentions of Wing Chun in this thread, there have been a few instances of MMA fighters using Wing Chun in their matches, it works. But again it looks nothing what you'll see in a martial arts film, real fights are sloppy and abrupt, and actual fighter routinely expose sham fighters who are out there teaching "movie style" martial arts.
>>223596398The good fighters are trained in multiple. Just being a good grappler and ass at striking will get you folded now.
>>223596402That's a sign of a bad gym, not a bad martial art. Plenty of karate schools would have you doing light sparring within the first few days.
>>223596447Boxing/kickboxing for striking and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for grappling. You'll learn this as you get properly trained but the actual goal is to never use this shit in an actual fight because real fights are dangerous, even if you win. You'll still be hurt and you'll still be in court or prison.
>>223596499Rhonda Rousey
>>223596530She basically made female mma a non joke where people would actually watch. They were years behind in how the guys were training. Id assume theyve caught up now, unless theyre getting battered by a tranny.
>>223596526That’s most martial art places places. It’s the equivalent of gym kickboxing. Completely useless but women like it. Same women won’t allow their kids to be at a actual boxing or MMA gym but some bullshit taekwondo shit
>>223596554Talking about how Rhonda had zero striking ability and tried to out strike a champion boxer and kickboxer
>>223595882Bruce Lee used to pick fights on the streets irl constantly and always wrecked people.People who knew him spoke about it.Bruce didn't just do 1 style though, he studied every type of fighting he could. He basically was what an MMA fighter is today, except he was doing it in the 60s/70s when it was unheard of.
There's no style that really matters, but if there is one it's grappling/wrestling. But that's because modern society considers any fight that doesn't start within spitting distance to not be a real fight, which automatically favours close quarter styles. Otherwise the strongest martial art would be throwing (stones and javelins).Also which one succeeds is mostly about killer instinct, explosive energy, and freedom from restraint to main/kill.You see it all the time in real life situations. Multiple cops fail to take down one black dude who doesn't comply, both parties unarmed.If for example it was a true free for all with no rules, styles that go straight for the groin, eyes, throat, allow you to bite and maim opponents, break their fingers, wrists, and limbs without having to set up elaborate lock control positions and allow the use of environmental objects would win. Actually I just described Jackie Chan's style.
>>223596638Bruce Lee only weighed 140 lbs. He would get his ass handed to him by Mike Tyson or anyone else
>>223596661>throwing (stones and javelins).Oh and styles that practice flying kicks or running straight into an opponent like NFL linemen or sumo.What's funny is that I think NFL lineman, rugby players, or WWE wrestlers could easily wipe the floor with the top MMA fighters by just running into them with their bodyweight then hugging them to death, so the strongest fighters aren't even in MMA.
>>223595882>Is kung fu as shown in the movies actually useful as a martial arts?>I mean in a real world situation?Yeah>Do chinese actually use it in street brawls?nah
>>223596398>screenshot of ai as sourceYou young faggots can’t be serious
>>223596447Napoleonic artillery
>>223595882I admire kung-fu, I do, but you have to consider that it is something that was developed for a culture where men weigh around 120 pounds.Trained man will always have advantage over untrained man, if only for knowing what getting punched really feels like, but kung fu is unsuitable for western men. If men are above 160 pounds the way they fight is throwing haymakers as hard as they can until the one with weaker constitution dropsYou can see it even in pro-boxing, where lifgtest weight categories have almost no knockouts.That being said I will always prefer kung-fu in movies, because western fighting looks like shit on screen.
>>223596398Wrestlers and grapplers just benefit the most from the rules of engagement set up. There are probably all sorts of lethal openings wrestlers expose themselves to when executing throws and such.There's basically submission-oriented combat and then there's lethal combat. The most casual lethal combat tactics/tricks aka fighting dirty defeat submission styles. A lighter to break chokeholds, pepperspray, pocket sand, a stiletto to quickly puncture an exposed bodypart, concealed carry etc.
>>223596708Brother you are delusional. T. Former d1 Offensive linesman who now does mma training
>>223596839Their are openings but unless your also trained grappling you wouldn't notice them. Also yeah if you have a knife and your opponent doesn't you usually win
>>223596840I mean look at this.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WRaOuEVMZREGranted both sides are holding back from fighting dirty but the lineman has Aean Strickland on the defensive the entire time.>>223596825I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss kung fu because a lot of it is designed around fighting opponents that could also be armed. That's why it doesn't do the wild rush in grappling wrestling or distance closers and instead emphasizes maintaining distance, because if you rush in to grab someone around the waist thinking you'd pull off some sick throw or armbar and the opponent had a stiletto or a knife, you'd be stabbed multiple times and be dead before you knew it.Reninds me of that viral video a while back where I think it was some Maoris fighting in Australia, and one of them had a knife that they just punched once into a guy throwing a haymaker, and that guy bled out in 2 minutes.I'll see if I can find the video.That's why the most pragmatic style in terms of maximizing your chances of survivability is Jackie Chan's style of running away/evasion/parkour and using all environmental objects/terrain.
"real" kung fu is called Sanda and it's literally just mma because no shit realistic punching doesn't have move variety
>>223596580It's not that parents won't allow it. Most are just too business to look that deep into it and the Mcdojo style places do a lot more marketing than serious gyms. It's viewed as an afterschool program that the kids will grow out of eventually
>>223596949The lineman you posted was a 2 time state wresting champ anon
>>223596840that's just modern ufc some Dagestan fuck hugging someone to death until he wins
>>223596667Bringing weight classes into this doesn't refute anon's argument
Found it:https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/vwdm6v/man_stabbed_in_australia_no_other_info_and_not_my/
>>223596984Sure but isn't Strickland #7 in MMA
>>223597027Yeah it's also a friendly match anon.
>>223596839>Wrestlers and grapplers just benefit the most from the rules of engagement set upThe biological mechanics of being choked out or having a bone/ligament snapped do not fundamentally change based on whether or not a fight is occurring in an octagon with joe rogan commentating you knowNo shit trying to hit a double leg on a dude with a knife is a bad idea, every martial art loses to that
>>223596337On a technicality, Karate is chinese>>223596447Krav Maga teaches you to kick women in the groin and gouge their eyes out.
>>223596398The modern meta is about being just good enough to stuff any takedowns and grappling attempts while focusing on striking to heem them. Sadly the rules still favor grapplers with no knees or kicks to grounded opponents heads, there are 0 consequences for just infinitely shooting and failing takedowns where they should just be able to get punted or kneed in the face. Merab sucks but his entire strat that lead him to a massive win streak before petr yan dabbed on him was just spamming takedowns for the entire fight
>>223596991mayweather would kill him in a street fight. same weight class
>>223597215And that may be true but I still don't see what your point is. This is very quickly turning into a 'my dad can beat your dad' situation with all the goalpost shuffling.
>>223597257but we are discussing martial arts
>>223596638Bruce Lee sparred once (1 time) ever in his entire career. He was never in a real fight
>>223597292The only actual documented fight he's been in was with Wong Jack Man, and it's highly disputed who won it
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>>223595882No, even tho Donnie Yen knows how to actually fight, even they admit that film fighting never works, they exaggerate the movements, every kick and punch they show has too wide of an opening that can easily be exploited.
>>223596015There are the Chinese equivalent of McDojos. Anyone can claim to be a master. If you picked some mall cop fighting class teacher in America and got him to fight even a random dude, he would probably lose.>>223596398>>223596839This is the other big part no one likes to admit, it's extremely meta specific. There's a reason elite fighters in their niche - boxing, kickboxing, MMA, judo, etc, are elite in their specific thing
>>223597292Bruce Lee sparred constantly. You mean he didn't have many publicly recorded fights. Yes, but at the time there were no free combat competitions either
>>223597096Actually a lot of it does. Most chokeholds and submissions happen near the wall because it has many advantages to positional control and restricting movement. If it were an open mat like traditional wrestling, or an open elevated platform, it would change the meta
>>223596949This. Most kung fu was originally assumed to have weapons, hand to hand combat was considered a ridiculous thing. E.g. the oldest known shaolin manual didn't even mention hand to hand combat.
>>223596398Early UFC was based as fuck, dunno when it turned into the homo rolling around, or one hit knock out bullshit but it fucking sucks and theyre all goofy faggots with names that sound like satanic spells
>>223595973This isn't really true. Wing Chun takes a very long time and a lot of difficult training to master and wield effectively, whereas Muay Thai can honestly be "mastered" in less than a year, which is why it's more popular among guys who are looking to spend their late-teens and 20's breaking all their bones and getting their bones broken in turn and then being crippled for life and addicted to drugs after that. The Wing Chun people take a lot longer to hone their skills to an effective level but they also can have a normal, healthy life without every joint in their body destroyed by their 30's and unimaginable pain driving them to a life of sickness, poverty, and brain damage.Traditional martial arts are for people who want to train to be able to defend themselves in a streetfight that hopefully never happens and still be able to walk and talk in their 50's.And then people like you who don't know anything about martial arts just try to emulate whatever the skullcrackers on TV are doing.
>>223595882>in real worldIt's a movie. It's fiction. Did you see a disclaimer in the beginning if you learn the art you'd be Jackie Chan or Donnie Yen?
>>223596638>Bruce lee would...He only ever hurt stunmen because he wanted to pass as the alpha and not the little small weak chinese he was
>>223595882its widely known in the industry that all forms of karate are just meant to look cool and have little pragmatic use outside of looking cool
>>223595882https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgfOqJzHlQg
animals like bears and large cats have limitations on their flexibility and mobility that humans dont. Why has a human never tried to defeat them in a martial arts battle?
There's a reason why professional Muay Thai fighters in Thailand all have their fighting careers from age 8 to 18-19 and are retiring at age 20. That kind of lifestyle is a little bit more sustainable when you have the highest healing factor possible, but trying to live like that in your 20's and 30's is fucking stupid and suicidal. One or two outliers may have success and become big celebrities but 99% will just become brain damaged cripples living on the street. Take a look at all the legendary MMA champions of yesteryear, look at guys who were household names like Chuck Liddell who can barely talk, barely walk, and gets knocked out by a stiff breeze. Look at BJ Penn who was the best in the world for years and a "Legendary Legend of Legendary Legendhood," and now he's punchdrunk and suffering from psychosis and seen in videos getting knocked out by chubby bouncers in the parking lot outside a bar at night and his head is bouncing off the fucking asphalt, he can't even stand up to a fat guy in tennis shoes who has probably never trained a day in his life. Look at Tito Ortiz or Ken Shamrock, or even look at a more recent example like Kamaru Usman who apparently can't even walk down a flight of stairs without being in screaming pain, he has to go down backwards and walk on the grass instead of the sidewalk because both his knees are shot. That's what happens if you follow the advice of Joe Rogan who says, 'the best martial arts is what works against TRAINED KILLERS!!!" That is fucking retarded, why would anybody fight a trained killer? Why? So you can sacrifice your brain and body to entertain a crowd of screaming drunks who will spit on you and call you a fag for getting knocked out by a roided-out kickboxing champ one week and slammed on your skull by an Olympic Wrestler the next? They won't even remember your name or care about you when you're living under a bridge in piss-soaked rags after sacrificing yourself for their "entertainment."
>>223597868I can't believe you actually fell for it. You fell for what those fatty and old limp wristed teachers told you for $$$ every weak to play wrist slap stick. Meanwhile, in every single combat sport anyone decent masters something else or a derivative of wing chun. That stupid webm of the russians doing weird fly flybys at eachother is a wing chun school lmao.t.4 years of wing chun
>>223596398>ok karate chud time to wrestle!>no you can’t use those karate moves that’s the rules ;)
In real life, you're not going to get mugged by a d1 wrestler and kickboxing champ with a black belt in BJJ who lived in Thailand for two years and trained in Judo, Sambo, and Sumo wrestling. You're going to get mugged maybe once or twice in your whole life and it'll be some scrawny little shitbag junkie with a 5-dollar folding knife and his pants sagging down to his knees. If you've been taking Kenpo classes for a few years, you can dispatch that level of opponent in five seconds and then make your escape, you don't need to go live in Thailand and train to break baseball bats with your shin and shatter 12 bricks with your forehead.Quit training like you have to be able to fight Gladiators in the fighting pits on Mars and if you knock out a 10-foot-tall purple Yeti then you can ask for the Martian Princess's hand in marriage or some shit. Look at fucking reality for a change.Try doing Tai-Chi in the park for fuck's sake. That why my 86-year-old grandfather can walk up and down a flight of stairs even facing forwards about twice as fast as Kamaru Usman who is not even 40 fucking years old and has the knees of a 200-year-old. LOOK AT FUCKING REALITY, STOP LIVING IN FANTASY-LAND. YOU ARE NOT A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER...
>>223596732What's with the retarded spacing, faggot?
>>223598116Yeah, and after 4 years of MMA you'll be walking down stairs backwards like Kamaru and needing to take a full shower everytime you shit because you can't wipe your ass since the spinal fusion surgery and bilateral knee replacement surgery. You think Kung Fu costs money, try orthopedic surgery, dumb-dumb. My limp-wristed fatty Kenpo teacher is the same age as Ken Shamrock and he can tie his own shoes and wipe his own ass and carry groceries up and down stairs no problem, and he can probably beat up Shamrock and BJ Penn and TJ Killashaw at the same fucking time, because unlike those guys he still has all his own original parts and doesn't need a lunch tray full of medications to get through the day. THAT shit is more expensive than $20 a month for Kung Fu lessons, SON. t. 31 years of Chinese Kenpo in the basement of a Cantonese restaurant where we eat dinner for free afterwards. Stupid.
>>223598086The real pathetic secret is because they're entertainers, not fighters. All the rules exist to prolong the match. IRL two people going at each other wouldn't last more than a few minutes, if not because of exhaustion. So it's repeated head trauma 100,000x over your career
>>223598298yeah it's really cool that you've found an exercise class grandpa, but repeatedly stating that dangerous contact sports are infact dangerous and bad for your body, while you feel safe and your joints are okay when you're unchallenged, is not a solid argument for how somehow muay thai is bad and wingchun is amazing. sure you haven't taken a few too many head hits?
Could any martial artist defeat someone using a Smith and Wesson 500?
>>223597829man i wish there was more weapon based kung fu kino this shit is my favorite weapon
>>223597846Early on UFC has trouble getting endorsements because it was too brutal. They slowly starting adding more rules to make it more like boxing and other mainstream events.>>223596398Striking wasn't a problem in and of itself. The issue was that a lot of their early strikers sucked at grappling BUT not all of them. If you go back and watch some of the early fights there were some who dominated because they would close the gap on other strikers and do standing grappling.BJJ got memed up hard because the Gracies were the best at groundfighting while the other guys were fairly weak in that area. The Gracies' whole schtick was to close the gap and get the other person on the ground as quickly as possible and it worked on guys who weren't training on how to prevent themselves from being wrestled to the ground.
>>223599353>Early on UFC had trouble getting endorsements because it was so brutalBut mostly because it was unpopular and unknown
>>223598298Holy shit. This is such retarded cope for a guy that still believes in traditional martial arts. Your strip mall yellow belt won’t save you from an ass kicking, Chang.
>>223596015He actually only defeated the outer disciples. The elders were too busy cultivating and he never even saw them.
>>223596398>>223599353More fundamentally striking *sports* all had targets at approximately equal heights. So all a grappler had to do was crouch or lunge low (like Gracie vs Gordeau) and these strikers were all so conditioned to equal height targets hadn't they'd be stunned.
Like most martial arts, the majority of kung fu originated as a mix of striking/wrestling skills developed through folk wrestling/sparring and military experience. Notably striking back then wasn't as developed since you'd get more bang for your buck training with actual weapons. Ofc any martial art passed down for generations without seeing a fight will lose its fangs
>>223596447The "Anything goes method"How it works: do whatever tf works to beat the fuckin shit out of your opponent
>>223595882Nothing as shown in the movies work in real life.
>>223596667>He would get his ass handed to him by Mike TysonUnlike most people on earth. Fucking retard, I bet you think you were making a point there.
>>223599690For most of martial arts history if you said you trained in hand to hand combat, people would look at you like you said you trained in catching fish with your hands. In the Jixiao Xinshu, a historical Ming dynasty martial arts book, the author said hand to hand combat is useless in fighting. The blunt truth is martial arts today is a sport. The last time a serious martial arts tournament with weapons was held is 1928 in Sun era China.
>>223599828>>223596667>>223596991This Mike Tyson vs Bruce Lee debate is pretty stupidly framed. Bruce Lee was 140-160lb, but because he was an actor. Lee was only two inches shorter than Tyson, their baseline sizes were not much different. If he were to become a boxer, he would be much heavier. Likewise if Tyson were to become an MMA fighter, he'd be much lighter. And if it were no holds barred, it would be much wilder than anyone would like to admit. If Lee was smart, he would never let Tyson get within striking height. He would crawl or lunge extremely low. Then he would try to wrestle or submit Tyson.
>>223599846Well they wouldn't look at you funny if you enjoyed training some form of wrestling, which was common among kids to adults and complements weapon training. It wasn't uncommon for folk festivals and occasions would have some sort of wrestling/grappling matches among the men
>>223595903>We were able to obtain this underground footage.>Many Bothans died to bring us this information.
>>223599583No it was definitely because of the lack of rules. People were getting pummeled and no brand wanted their name attached to that. Maybe you're thinking about the first year or two.
>>223600121I'm just referring to UFC 1, but they couldn't even fill the seats.
>>223599958>If Lee was smart, he would never let Tyson get within striking height. He would crawl or lunge extremely low
>>223600099That's what I mean when I say sport. Many militaries did use wrestling as physical training. But they didn't think it made you any better at winning fights. The first thing any person or profession who has to win fights does is to train with his weapon. A weaponless fighter is from a more realistic perspective not a very good fighter at all.
>>223600159Yes, boxers do crouch. Mike Tyson was famously trained to duck and weave constantly. Your punched are however much, much weaker when you're crouching or folded forward sharply.
>>223599846The intent changed over time and from place to place. In China idea of what martial arts should be differed from region to region. Hung Ga kung fu for example was developed for practical self defense and for city fighting since it was taught for use in political uprisings where it was mainly commoners fighting each other. They trained in hand to hand and later on added weapons to it. It's why a lot of the weapons in that style are farm equipment.The people who looked down on hand to hand were mainly involved in warfare between armed military formations. And even then, in Japan at least, swordsmen eventually started in on hand to hand fighting because they had to learn CQC.
The only proven martial art is kravmaga
>>223595882No, just kick em in the dick
>>223598298The kids my son boxes with 3 times a week would body you
>>223598421>aikido chops your bullets out of the air
>>223596530Holly holms put her to sleep
>>223600301Kung fu has a lot of dick hitting in them.
>>223597766>>223596638>pay people to "randomly encounter you" and you beat them up>Retards like this will still post about it 50 years later>"He like, picked fights in the street with random people! Everyone that knows him tells about this stories! Well no, he never fought with rules and documented fights in a ring, but the stories tho!"Literal brain damaged sheep people around here huhLiterally Criss Angel shit
>>223596403kek
>>223600437for real?
>>223595882All martial arts are useless when facing concealed carry
>>223596403Dude who is a red/black belt can maybe take someone with a knife, unarmed, MAYBEMost black belts masters will tell you to run/disengage, and only fight if your life is on the line and you still might get shankedDude who knows BASIC martial arts?????He's getting shanked, no way he can beat up guy with a knife, not even guy with a glass bottleYou are overestimating martials arts a bit heret. blue belt in doesntmatter
>>223600806woosh
>>223600207t. Idiot who’s never heard of “sit down on your punches.” Stop larping as a trained fighter.
>>223595882It's bullshit. Any journeyman Muay Thai fighter would massacre these Shao Lin monks.
