No we use swords not those ganjin firearms. We have HONOR and we shall prevail.
It makes sense why Steven Seagull went full I don't give a fuck mode after this movie. He was the perfect fit for the lead role but they chose 5'4 Tom Cruise, the only white guy shorter than Asians, to be the lead badass guy in this movie.
>>223596186>full I don't give a fuck modeThis is the only mode worth living by. It means anytime anyone wants to hurt you they cant.
>>223596168Samurai are overhyped posersEuropean medieval knights would completely demolish them
>>223596186seagal wouldve ruined this movie
>>223596186It's time to get over it, Seagal
>>223596210yeah japan's warrior culture is way overrated they're one of the 2 countries in the world who got beat by americans
>>223596168Uhhh they used guns and artillery extensively though?
>>223596186true
It's really hard to overstate how fucking retarded and assbackward the Samurai were by the 19th century.
>>223596168i Fat Coward Sinking Low Cheap and Pathetic
>>223596186>sits and watches in a chair as his younger, fitter “sidekick” gets gunned down by gatling guns>stunt double stands and walks up to Gatling gun> Seagull disassembles it in the blink of an eye, leaving the conscript troops in awed admiration>seagull turns away>stunt double walks into the sunset>cut to seagull plowing some poor D list actress. She smiles (she’s hit her rock bottom epiphany and will turn her life around)
>>223596224What's is the other country? Nazi Germany? I guess that tracks given that Nazis were a bunch of cowards, but at least Japan raped entire China.
>>223596186Segal was in a far superior movie.... Maximum Conviction
>>223596224>2That's how many seconds your shithole would last
>>223596168>not those ganjin firearms.Bullshit. Samurai had appreciation for many kinds of weapons.
>>223596997These are pretty cool to be honesthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C5%8D-hiya
>>223596168Atrocious movie.
>>223596168Looking back, this film is fucking hilarious in its depiction of the Samurai rebellion as some indigenous uprising against evil colonisers when in reality, it was the opposite way around. The Japanese were rising up against a backwards feudal class that had been holding the country hostage for centuries with their barbaric traditions.
>>223596997That's a big gun...
>>223596210most obvious take everit is easy to larp as “unbeaten warriors” when the only fucking invasion you ever had to defend in your history were literal fucking 80iq mongoles who lost most of their armada to a fucking wind
>>223596210European medieval knights would get wrecked by machinegun fire too
>>223596168Samurai realizing that honor doesn't stop bullets is a major plot point tho
>>223596597>Samurai beat other samurai>Surely this means all samurai are retarded
*nobunaga*
>>223597539Nobody really cares about that anymore even in Japan, everybody likes Samurai swords and armor and that's what people want to see at the movies, guys in Samurai armor being proto-Jedis, not the brutal oppression of rice farmers which both long predated and long outlasted Samurai rule. The Meiji Reformation changed who sat at the top of the pyramid, not how it felt to be squished beneath it.
>>223596168they in fact did NOT prevail, otherwise the white man would not have been "the last samurai"
>>223597706Cruise wasn't the last samurai. Katsumoto was. Either that or its plural.
>>223596168This movie is shit. The actual events of Shiroyama would be a much more kino flick.>Forced to retreat to a fort after failed rebellion>Samurai being shelled with artillery all night>Returning fire>Run out of ammo>Have to start melting down their statues to make more bullets>Suffering from injuries sustained over the extended campaign>Surrounded by 30,000 imperial japanese regulars>Leader is shot, slowly dying, tries to commit seppuku>Is too injured to commit seppuku, has to get his second in command to kill him>Second in command charges down hill towards enemy lines with swords (because they ran out of ammo)>All die to gunfire before reaching the linesWould be pure miserykino. I can envision the scene of the statues being melted down, with a cut to the imperials cracking open an ammo box with 10 times as much in it
>>223597672Modernized light infantry took out larpers. This is thread about larping anachronistic Samurai. Otherwise the officer corps in The Last Samurai should be called "Samurai" like you pretend to not know the difference.
>>223596597>"The Way of the Samurai is found in death. When it comes to either/or, there is only the quick choice of death. It is not particularly difficult. Be determined and advance. To say that dying without reaching one's aim is to die a dog's death is the frivolous way of sophisticates. When pressed with the choice of life or death, it is not necessary to gain one's aim."For them, dying like cherry blossoms fall is literally and unironically a victory.
>>223597539The anon >>223597705 is correct. Unless perpetuated by seethe taught as part of school curriculum or national romance pseud-history, historical griveances that don't completely fuck over materially in the logn run just dull after 100 years and the rule of cool takes over in judging people.
>>223596210they were trained and high social class soldiers who were paid to not cause trouble and occasionally do tasks for their bosses or mobilized for war. some were probably tough but most just inherited the role, they were just people afterall
>>223597649Nuh uh, chainmail
>be me>warrior caste of my country>all I'm supposed to do is fight stuff>these baka ganjin brought guns that are pretty good at winning battles>"NOOO MUH HONOR I CAN'T JUST USE A GUN!"You'd think they'd adapt that shit early
>>223596168>laughs in Oda Nobunaga
>>223598135>Otherwise the officer corps in The Last Samurai should be called "Samurai"Yes, because they literally were, stop being an Amerimutt who gets all his history knowledge from pop culture
>>223598290>You'd think they'd adapt that shit earlyThey did though, Samurai loved guns so much they even made matchlock pistols despite how impractical everyone else found those.
>>223598330Why didn't they use those in the movie?
>>223598336Stupid Hollywood convention. Samurai in real life fucking LOVED guns and thought they were cool as shit and adopted them immediately, the only reason any samurai wouldn't adopt guns was if they simply couldn't afford them, which wasn't a problem anymore once they started manufacturing their own. By the late Sengoku period, Samurai armies were all using matchlocks and cannons extensively. Samurai all loved any and all weapons and didn't care where they came from, if you could theoretically kill somebody with it, they thought it was fucking GREAT. And even if it didn't work they would just say, "Hmm, still good idea, though . . ."
>>223596168had Cruise stuck to his sabre style fencing and given an actual sabre and not the shitty katana he'd own them without the bullshit trainingsabre owns katana so hard it's not even funnyand so does the longsword
>unironically wanting to win an epic battle rather than brutally getting slaughteredzoom zoom
>>223596168>gets shotMeanwhile based Sakamoto Ryōma used S&W Model No. 2 Army to blast shogunate lackeys, preached anti-feudalism and "all men are created equal" and backed it up with the holy gunpowder.
>>223598461>And even if it didn't work they would just say, "Hmm, still good idea, though . . ."Hence the matchlock pistols.For anyone who is wondering why they're cool but impractical, the main use of pistols was either to conceal them (eg: you're a civilian who wants something other than a sword to defend yourself) or easily stow them (eg: you're a cavalryman who needs to holster them on your saddle).Now imagine this with a matchlock where you have to:>Draw pistol>Ready a flint or other source of ignition>Spark the match>Now your pistol is finally usable
>>223598461This.
>>223598243So that's what he was missing
>>223596210>Samurai are overhyped posers>European medieval knights would completely demolish th-ACKYeah, the knight concept worked. Until it didn't.
>>223598461after early adoption of firearms during the civil war and during their invasions if korea, the shogunate banned them because the implication was that any retard with a boomstick can equalize the mighty nobleborn samurai studying the blade for a lifetime and the status quo was to be maintained by all means
>>223598320I've read more Nip history in the nip language than you ever will in your life.
>>223596597>There will be a chosen one>The casualties and losses will be significant>And then he killed the daimyo>Hnnggg>Dog whimper>Fart sound
>>223598792Every sensible government attempted to limit the proliferation of firearms
the last samurai is not meant to be taken literally, it is a fairytale about the idealized image of old ways dying to make way for modernityone could imagine an alt universe scenario called "the last knight" in which on isolated british isles the old knight nobility makes their last hail mary against firearm equipped royal marines and the message would remain the same
>>223598953Yeah its the same noble savage tale taken up in post feudal Japan. Same ahit as Avatar dude hooking up with the NaVi and deciding he wants to help them get rid of the colonial marines. Hollywood style is always romanticizing and dramatization over fact and reality. Thats why I no longer watch American films.
>>223598953Yeah, pretty much. The ending is pretty heavy on how the samurai dying is a loss of culture and art, not an awesome fighting force. That they have to be talked out of a pointless suicide, and into a losing battle instead, that's a pretty big part of mr daimyo's character. The movie jerks off Japan so hard, that I am actually glad "we will win because our nippon blades are superior" is not an element in it.
>>223596168>proceeds to get nuked
>>223596168Lol, lmao even, gunpowder comes from Asia
Are you boughting it?
>>223596186Whether he's gay or straight I don't know, I don't care
>>223599050I already boughted it for a quarter of the price and filesize
>>223598994>Same ahit as Avatar dude hooking up with the NaVi and deciding he wants to help them get rid of the colonial marinesAdmittedly though in that movie, the blue aliens win. The samurai do not, they get butchered.
>>223598835Every cowardly one you mean. The Americans had it right when they said that the govt should be afraid of the People. Otherwise you get shitshows like the UK or Australia.
>>223598507I can only assume they used them against spear-wielding peasants who couldn't return fire
>>223598994>>223599117I can't get behind a tribal-coded savage ululating while humans in gunships crash and burn and the music heroically swells. It's really sick and if you gave me a time machine and a bullet that moron Rousseau would get it.
>>223596168They actually used rifles and artillery in their rebellion though.
>>223599121Yeah exactly, btw how is that iran war you voted for going?
>>223599033No, gunpower is a european invention as are guns. What you guys had was some weird immortality potion/fireworks bullshit.It wasn't gunpower before guns, stupid.
>>223599210I referred to Americans in the third person you fucking RETARD. Anyway that was literally nothing to do with the second amendment being a good idea, which it is.
>>223599226>The fire lance (simplified Chinese: 火枪; traditional Chinese: 火槍; pinyin: huǒqiāng; lit. 'fire spear') was a gunpowder weapon used by lighting it on fire, and is the ancestor of modern firearms.[1] It first appeared in 10th–12th century China and was used to great effect during the Jin–Song Wars. It began as a small pyrotechnic device attached to a polearm weapon, used to gain a shock advantage at the start of a melee.[2] As gunpowder improved, the explosive discharge was increased, and debris or pellets added, giving it some of the effects of a combination modern flamethrower and shotgun, but with a very short range (about 3 meters or 10 feet), and only one shot (although some were designed for two shots). By the late 13th century, fire lance barrels had transitioned to metal material to better withstand the explosive blast, and the lance-point was discarded in favor of relying solely on the gunpowder blast. These became the first hand cannons
>>223599269So not guns then
if chinks were so great with guns how come they got bitchslapped by a bunch of savage euros?
>>223599269This is basically the same time period they started using guns in Europe though. There is strong evidence europeans discovered black powder without outside influence and they greatly improved on it.
>>223599050I've played it enough as is. It was the last good total war game after all
>>223596655>aw hell naw, we been done seen some shit, mah emperor nigga...
>>223599507I dont understand how Seagall managed to make it this far in Hollywood by lying about>being an undercover cia agent in "Asia">infiltrated top level yakuza underground >being a 1/16 apache native america shaman with ties to the "brotherhood">learning ancient master techniques that he cant share with anyone else
>>223597705>The Meiji Reformation changed who sat at the top of the pyramid, not how it felt to be squished beneath it.This is basically every revolution and overthrow in history. Elites replacing elites.But when libertarians say the concept of having a state and rulers itself means being a slave you laugh at us.
>>223597611And yet they were able to conquer the greatest empire of the world.
>>223596224Rentfree, Ahmed
>>223599585The worst sin is turning aikido into a bigger meme than it already was.
>>223596210NOOOO BRADU PITTU SAMA PREASE
>>223597654>Samurai realizing that honor doesn't stop bullets is a major plot point thoThey realized it in the 1570s when Nobunaga completely wrecked entire armies with volley fire while looking fly as fuck in european clothes.
>>223596663The USA didn't beat Nazi Germany, Russia did. Americans get an assist at best. Maybe he's talking about Mexico, and forgot Spain or doesn't count it because it didn't imply an invasion of the mainland.
>>223597944It's ironic how the rebellions against the Meiji Restoration were the same thing that happened in the beginning of the Tokugawa Shogunate when thousands of samurai had no work or income anymore due to the peace and stability brought by the unification of Japan and the end of the Warring States Era. These samurai formed bands of roving criminals that of course attacked the poor peasant people who had no responsibility whatsoever for any of it, the same people that the samurai had always oppressed and there were two big rebellions in the first decades of the Shogunate that caused them to change their laws and re-employ the disenfranchised samurai as policemen and bureaucrats.The samurai were truly an evil parasitic class that made the life of the average japanese people a nightmare for over 700 years.
>>223596186Go to bed Stephen
>>223599783No, they're right about that. I laugh at them because their alternative is becoming slaves to corporations.
>>223599283>>223599402Every time you see some variation of "chinese did it first" or "the chinese were better at it" you can tell with 99,99% accuracy that it is bullshit.
>>223600134Sounds exactly like European knights. It's almost as if feudalism sucked for the peasantry.
>>223600272We already know unironic chinese roam these boards
>>223596168from tom cruises perspective it makes sense. if he wins it will be a lot of fun, if he loses it doesn't matter since he didn't really care much about his life regardless
>>223599402What is that "strong evidence" you're talking about? I'm not the same guy and I'm not pretending that chink firecrackers were in the same level as muskets, but what you're saying sounds like pointless European wank.
>>223600421chang pls
>>223600424So you pulled that evidence out of your ass, I see.
>>223600134The solution is simple. Have a warrior class of unruly samurai? Send them off to fight in Joseon for plunder. Dont finance these treacherous people but use their own skills against them.
Test
>>223600467chang I don't care about hurting the feelings of the chinese people please post an LED covered city powered by coal
>>223596168aruguren
>>223596997Samurai with early firearms are kino. Look at Ran. Those massive fucking columns of fire when sieging the castle. I'm pretty sure even the Dutch observed Japan's military philosophy during isolation and were impressed by how they seemed to outfit every soldier with guns rather than do the mixed pike-shot formations of Europe at the time.
>>223600507Yeah, yeah. The typical /pol/tard mantra of "my feelings don't care about facts".
>>22359659790 spanish tercios btfoed hundreds of samurais once
>>223596186>Additionally, while serving as stunt coordinator for Out for Justice, LeBell allegedly got into an on-set altercation with Seagal over his mistreatment of some of the film's stunt performers. After the actor claimed that, due to his aikido training, he was "immune" to being choked unconscious, LeBell supposedly offered Seagal the opportunity to prove it. With Seagal's permission, LeBell then successfully choked him unconscious, with Seagal losing bowel control.>Seagal has directly denied that a confrontation took place, calling LeBell a "sick, pathological scumbag liar"KEK
>>223600657Tercio was the name of the unit, if you say 90 tercios it sounds like a massive army of thousands of soldiers. Also, those "native allies" were most likely the bulk of the fighters (and the casualties) and the wokou were mere pirates. Most of them weren't even Japanese, much less samurai.
>>223596224>yeah japan's warrior culture is way overrated they're one of the 2 countries in the world who got beat by americansWhat's the second, America?
>>223600827>with Seagal losing bowel controlhahahahahaIf there's one man that I can see living this down as if it never happened, it's Steven Seagal
>>223599783This is why communism is the ideal end goal. No more elites nor other classes.
>>223599783We laugh at you bc you guys are generally total fucking retards with no real solutions
>>223596168Wich is funny because not only did Samurai use firearms, but at this point both sides were using and buying western weapons.
>>223596224Japan raped China and killed shittons of them. America raped Japan and killed shittons of them. By the transitive property we would kick the shit out of China then. USA!!! USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!!
>>223596224>>223600983lmao
>>223596597Google “sakoku” and all will be made clear grasshopper.
>>223597539What? The samurai rebellion had nothing to do with colonization in the movie. The “barbaric traditions” the Japanese were holding when the Americans bombed their asses in 1854 to make them open up was almost 250 years of continuous peace. That’s something few countries ever experience in their history. Can you imagine an America where for 250 fucking years we’re not in a war? I can’t.
Military science > martial "arts"
>>223601353And you have a solution?
>>223597539>Nice white americans come to save our country, also bring millions of blacks to worship.Let me tell You about your country saar
>>223601419It's easy to have 250 years of peace if you're an island nation that practices isolationism, anon. Applying feudal Japan's situation to other countries is unrealistic.
one of the most consequential battles of the sengoku era was one warlord effortlessly destroying a legendary cavalry unit with matchlock rifles
>>223601521It’s easy to have 250 years of peace if you actually enforce your borders and close them down. Most nations could experience a similar peace that have any natural borders at all. In either event, in no way were the Japanese somehow devastated at their superiors, they weren’t experiencing centuries of shit life oppressed at every turn.
>>223601672Yep. They modernized because they didn't really have a choice and did not wish to end up like other south east asian countries ruled by european powers.
>>223599402>There is strong evidence europeans discovered black powder without outside influencewhere?
>>223601419War fuels innovation. The japs stagnated for 250 years because they kept to themselves, which meant that the USA just rolled up and blew their shit up and there was nothing they could do about it.
>>223601521Their brutal caste system helped a lot. You can't have 250 years of freedom with Western individualism. Wonder if you could fix Africa like that, too. Obviously the US is an insane outlier with less than 25 years of total continuous peace time in its entire history.
>>223596210>European medieval knights would completely demolish themLightly armored Turkroaches were bitchslappin and backhandin Europe's best Knights left n right: english, scottish, french, italian, spaniard, German, Scaninavian, it didnt matter, they all fell prey until Europoors finally adopted guns and mastered it.Im convinced if euroknight and samurai duel or fight in formation, the europeons will lose due to their sheer hubris where they blindly chase feints and charge into ambushes on the regular because "gllllloooory" only to be slain in the name of their Jewish God Jesus, his Jewish mum Mary whose totally a virgin, ye gullible goyim!, and the litany of Jewish heroes like Moshe, Samson, Joshua, and David: all proud slayers of goyim and bedders of shiksas like your sister
>>223601954Forgot pic
>>223597611>80iq mongolesMongols were regularly beatin euroboys and raping eurogirls (and eurobussy) constantly for centuries
>>223599783>But when libertarians say the concept of having a state and rulers itself means being a slave you laugh at us.Well yeah, because libertarian stateless country never last and are as utopian as commies except atleast the latter got nukes, became a world power that threatened and sometimes beat the West, and reached outer space
>>223599926>The USA didn't beat Nazi Germany, Russia did. Americans get an assist at best.American industrial might saved Britain and Russia, which is why our timeline has the Rape of Berlin and not a Rape of London or Rape of Moscow, though come to think of it we have alot of Rape of Britain now thanks to mass migration
>>223596210Pretty much every heavily revered military group from history are overblown. The Vikings, the Spartans, et cetera
>>223596210>Ok, ser.
>>223596210In fact, a musketeer would defeat a samurai.
>>223602004>Mongol empire briefly extended as far as the eastern border of modern PolandBasically all of Europe conquered and defeated! !!
>>223596224US defeated>Japan>Vietnam>Germany>Pretty much every country that allied themselves with the nazis (France, England, Russia, etc)
>>223600298>It's almost as if feudalism sucked for the peasantry.>Police officers do the same thing nowadays.Don't blame feudalism; blame corruption and people's lack of morality.
>>223596186The fact that an anon saw a picture of Tom Cruise in The Last samurai and reacted by musing about how it affected the personal feelings of Steven Seagal, has amused me. I am amused. I smiled. It feels good. Idk why and I dont care. Thank you guys for coming to this shitty place to post with me day after day.
>>223601280If everything belongs to the 'collective' then the child rapists on the 'collective' council are in charge. You're a pathetic bootlicking freak, there will be a leader and it won't be you. It will be the same kind of sociopath who runs things now.
>>223601699I think China was their big wakeup call. They always traditionally viewed China as this big brother it gave them their religion their rules and seeing it being ripped apart scared by ganjin scared the daylights out of them.
>>223599507*emperor bows**steven barely leans forward*
>>223603263Funny how you fags always describe the pitfalls of capitalism with these kinds of rebuttals
>>223602374No, I think I'll blame feudalism. A few assholes harassing average joes aren't the same at all to what amounted to marauding armies terrorizing entire countries, if you want a modern equivalent cartels are a more apt comparison.>blame corruption and people's lack of moralityThat's tilting at windmills.
>>223596224Amazing how they got beat in a lot of places
>>223596224Japan lost to the Russians, not the Americans.America has never won a war without foreign help.
>>223603354Go on then, explain how taking everyone's stuff makes people free. Each person should have absolute power over their own home.
>>223601419>almost 250 years of continuous peaceThe "peace" in this context means that they didn't have any domestic or foreign wars against formal states. It doesn't mean life was good for the average person in Japan or that their practices weren't barbaric, it simply means the regime was consolidated and couldn't be challenged.Japanese culture during the entire samurai era held absolutely no regard for human life. The samurai were forced to kill themselves in a very gruesome way for slight inconveniences regularly, the life of the lower classes and specially the peasants was meaningless. The rigid caste system meant that if you were born a peasant you wouldn't be allowed to do anything other than toil away in the fields for life and would never own any kind of property other than maybe the rags you wore.I also disagree with the anon who compared european knights to the samurai. Life was shit for a peasant anywhere and it still is today, but the kind of brutality and the lack of regard for life that was ingrained into the japanese ethos was not the norm in Europe and knights didn't massacre peasants for minor inconveniences.Japan was still stuck with culture and practices of the early middle ages in the late 1800s. Their culture was definitely barbaric and leaving the Warring States period to enter the Edo period was just leaving one nightmare to get into another if you were not one of the few hundred people that were part of the notable samurai families.
>>223603645No. The workers (proletariat) are the ones who will own the means of production. Nobody is taking your stuff - private property doesn't completely get abolished. People in the USSR still owned their own cars and shit.
>>223603584This is your brain on tankism.
>>223602078If you think that's great you would be surprised at the incredible things I would achieve if I were supreme ruler of a country with millions of people who were all my slaves and everyone had to do whatever I wanted or die.Would you want to to live in such a country or think that this system would be fair and desirable?
>>223599226The Chinamen didn't figure out cannons on their own but by the time it got to the Turks guns were absolutely already invented Europeans are responsible for corned powder and the tapered bronze single-piece design of cannon that allowed for much lighter and more practical designs as opposed to the detachable breech iron fromat that had been standard for centuries
>>223603703>People in the USSR still owned their own cars and shit.USSR wasn't a communist country.
>>223603668>knights didn't massacre peasants for minor inconveniences>It's just that the constant warfare allowed them to pass massacres as legitimate military actions.>was still stuck with culture and practices of the early middle ages in the late 1800s>if you were not one of the few hundred people that were part of the notable samurai familiesWhat were the chonin?>>223600474Hmm, where have I heard that tale before?
>>223603944well to be fair, no society has gotten close to achieving the state of "communism" yet. Socialism is meant to be the first step and the USSR and Mao china were definitely socialist.
>>223604139I think pol pots Cambodia is the closest they got to actual communism.
>>223597498konnichiva dude
>>223596168
didn't realize there was this many koreans in /tv/
>>223599911NOW, I ADMIRE KING ARTHUR, I DO
>>223601371Japan beat China when they were stuck in the ancient farmer times and had no military power at all
>>223603584How did America end up with the largest global military footprint in the entirety of human history?
>>223596224>the great Spanish Empire has been reduced to such pathetic irrelevancy that nobody remembers themActually it's more the case that you're all retards that don't know actual history and repeat poojeet Twitter memes. If anything, America is the only country that has ever won wars.
>>223605382Its scary how well hollywood propaganda is. People do not realize that the largest empire in the world is not Rome but America.
>>223603949>Kiri-sute gomen (斬捨御免 or 切捨御免) is a Japanese expression regarding the feudal era tradition of right to strike: the right of samurai to strike and potentially kill with their sword anyone of a lower class who compromised their honour.[1]A samurai could legally maim or murder some poor starved peasant who was unlucky enough to walk past him when he was in a bad mood and say it was because the peasant insulted him or some "honor" bullshit. This was only abolished after the Meiji Restoration in the 1860s.Don't know about you but I'd take being a peasant in Europe any day.
>>223596168funny thing is that we have two good examples of bow-focused warring cultures immediately switching to guns as soon as they were traded to them in the indians and japanese. they loved guns
>>223605703That's why it was the custom give way stand and bow anytime a samurai approaches. If I recall the czar of Russia was almost killed by a samurai because he did not show the proper respect.
>>223605647America is not an empire. Not a single US soldier on foreign soil is there against the wishes of the respective country's ruling government, and they hold ultimate sovereignty to expel American troops if they so wish. Also America has no say in the affairs of other countries. That's what makes America's hegemony so unique and it's foolish to look to history for guidance or judgement because there is no historical precedent.
>>223596168And it worked cause it looked KINO
>>223605815>America is not an empireThey only force you to learn their barbaric language, build 100 Starbucks in your city, send mormons and other schizo """christian""" sects to "evangelize" the native population etcAnd they push their shitty pop "culture" on every single country on the western hemisphere. The funniest part is that if you disagree with the country that stands for FREEDOM™ they threaten to destroy your economy or straight up invade you. Sure, doesn't sound like an empire to me at all.
>>223599926Russia didn’t do shit in world war II. They are as pathetic now as they were back then. Their country being a festering shithole did more damage to the german military, than the actual russians did. The germans couldn’t move supplies or men into russia, because your rails were ancient, and unkept. Trains couldn’t run on the narrow and dilapidated tracks, or fallen bridges. Your country was a worse shithole, than fucking france or poland. Russians did the same strat back then, that they are doing in Ukraine now. Just hurl your own people, without any care at all for your countrymen’s lives, or your country’s pride (not that there is any left in russia), at the enemy, and hope you win based on sheer retarded numbers, because you’re too fucking inbred for anything else. The “throw enough shit at a wall”, is your military doctrine. God damned subhumans, russia would be the africa of asia, if india didn’t exist, but to be honest, india may overtake russia in the next hundred years. What a fucking shithole.
>>223605703>has a bunch of exceptions>could get forced to commit seppuku if it was unjustifiedAlso, "muh honor" was a thing in Europe too.>only abolished after the Meiji Restoration in the 1860sWhen feudalism was abolished, going back to my point that as a peasant feudalism sucks dicks regardless of where you are.
>>223601954Mental illness
>>223606018>Russia didn’t do shit in world war III'm pretty sure that killing 80% of your enemy's army and invading their capital forcing them to surrender counts as winning.>Just hurl your own people at the enemy, and hope you win based on sheer retarded numbersSeethe all you want, but if it works it works.
>>223606016>The funniest part is that if you disagree with the country that stands for FREEDOM™ they threaten to destroy your economy or straight up invade you. Sure, doesn't sound like an empire to me at allAmerica has political capital that it will use for its own benefit, just like any other country. It just so happens that the stick is a little bigger than most. Regardless, American companies are frequently discriminated against by other countries in terms of policy, particularly tech companies. America gets told no all the time and is openly criticized. The dynamic of America-The World is actually the complete opposite of what you described, which is why countries aren't revolting like they would under the thumb of an actual empire.
>>223599226Why are there so many people obsessed with going "Uhm actually dat was invented by euros!!!"? One of the biggest strengths of Europe during colonial expansion was its integration and refinement of things they encountered. Rocket artillery already existed in China and Korea, and then the Ottomans used it in European fronts, but then the design that would proliferate through warfare in the 1800s was based on Mysorean rockets used by the Mughals, when the British fought them, they saw the value of the design, and then proceeded to incorporate it and use it themselves. The Star Spangled Banner alludes to rockets designed based on these Mysorean rockets, "The Rocket's Red Glare"
>>223606281>The dynamic of America-The World is actually the complete opposite of what you describedIt's exactly like that you disgusting amerifat, you are just high on your own delusions. Just like Trump had to balls to claim "we are not really at war with Iran, we're just bombing them""We are not an empire, we are very peaceful and friendly. If you dislike what we (or our little friend Israel) say, we will bomb you :)"
>>223606284Because they're racist. Their insistence that "whites" (whatever that means) are intrinsically superior to everyone else in the world doesn't allow them to accept that other cultures could have their own inventions that inspired Europeans.Even if the things that allowed Western civilization to become dominant: strategic thinking, adaptability, motivation, work ethic, and some very lucky rolls, are pretty respectable regardless.
>>223603668This si such a monstrous mischaracterization of Japanese feudal society that I can only conclude you must have been born and raised in California and consider any culture foreign to your own as barbaric. They simply did not interpret their world the way you do, you are incorrect anon. Please stop this disgusting moralizing of societies prior to our own, it is pathetic.
>>223605334Cope and seethe Chang!
>>223605647Hello ESL, just an FYI you are speaking in my language and not the other way around, and you will die in a world that still revolves around the USA even if you live another century.
>>223605703Why do people without the slightest knowledge on fucking anything feel the most confident to discuss it? This is from the very same Wikipedia article you pulled. Do you even know how many times this was done in history? How the do people here not know Japanese history anymore, this is a fucking anime nerd site. Is it literally ALL just browns now?????
>>223596186How many breaks did you take before finishing this post, Steven?
>>223596210Sure, but how would Knights fare against 40K space marines?
>>223606390So any country that lies and says its invasion is not an invasion is an empire? That’s a fucking retarded line of thought anon
I remember when saw the movie trailer in a theatre and the whole crowd erupted in laughter.
>>223608042The USA is an empire. They just bully and intimidate other countries to get away with their bullshit. They use their movies, tv and music as weapons of subversionThe world was objectively a better place when Europe was the main power. If you are too retarded to see how the USA used its influence, military and economic power to dominate other countries, it's because you are already subjugated
>>223596210based. im also sick of 4chin kensamas ballwashing the japs. they fucking sucked just a bunch of fags running around in dippers with sticks
>>223598835lol you’re a cuck
>>223604849I'd argue the Imperial age was more civilized based on the strong military regime running things, and Palpatine did not like crime lords and gangsters.
>>223609377>Palpatine did not like crime lords and gangsters
>>223609400Yes? Where's the contradiction? Jabba is in the outer fucking rim where there is next to zero Imperial influence because that part of the galaxy is a ghetto.
>>223596205you hurt yourself
>>223602004lol wat. they didnt even conquer slavs rly they just extracted tribute. they even got raped by hungary on round 2
>>223596186proof that face and hair > height
>>223603822chinks were using the wrong formula for gunpowder for 800 years, do you really think its a coincidence that it just happened to advance in roughly the same time as when euros acquired it?
>>223608200Every country uses its power to influence other countries. By your metric any power once sufficiently strong is an empire. That is an idiotic line of thought anon.
>>223606150>it works it workssome serious cheeki breeki'ing has occurred
>>223600298knights were completely dissimilar to samurai because samurai were mercenaries from the start and knights were tied to their land, ie the better their peasants and land did the better their life whereas the samurai got paid regardless
>>223609611Most people never learned anything about the series other than what is explicitly and most loudly stated by multiple characters. I don’t know if more retarded normies are here or it’s just that the global IQ is more visible now due to internet accessibility, but I’ve noticed a shitload more complete airheads lately.
>>223602330>Vietnamsource?>Germanybit of a Pyrrhic victory given what happened after the war. Can you honestly say the US is better off now and has a brighter future than before that?
>>223601280you can just eat everyone and say i win
>>223610289> bit of a Pyrrhic victory given what happened after the war. Can you honestly say the US is better off now and has a brighter future than before that?Absolutely. America had unprecedented growth and prosperity after the war. It wasn’t the war itself, it was the friends we brought back home that completely fucked us. We weren’t really dicked until late 1963
>>223610261Both samurai who owned land and landless knights existed, and mercenaries were far from uncommon in Europe.>samurai were mercenaries from the start Wrong, they were "vassals" from the start. Tied by obligations to their liege, and depending on the period they were expected to hold land.>the samurai got paid regardlessWith what, when the land wasn't doing well?
>>223610672all of that is irelevant to my point. samurai moved around they werent tied to the land so they were incentivized to brutalize peasant for shorter gains. also chinkoids dont have souls of course
>>223610216you're retardedChina is powerful but doesn't force its bullshit culture upon other countriesthis should be the way for actual civilized countries, what the US does is neo imperialismyou're probably an indian or a spic
>>223600827kek, good, fuck him
>>223596210well no shit, Japan didn´t have enough iron to make full plate armor which is why they had these oversized katana swords for max damage on light armored targets. Any knight would have swiped the floor with them unharmed.
>>223598144this is why I always picked Japan on civ 5
>>223597584UUUU
