he was not evil

>>223602447
he killed innocent people

>>223602470
to save billions

>>223602470
he was raised by tony, he didnt have a chance

was on board with him until he killed J.T.

>>223602424
I can't take Sopranos seriously.

I just don't buy the babyfaced, puffy skinnyfat manchildren being actual gangsters.

Even Cinderella didnt cry

>>223602424
w ragebait cuh

>>223602527
>hey chris, wanna be a mobster?
>nah

not hard

>>223602567
he wanted to be like his dad

incels really are autistic

>>223602550
Same, I also seriously can't believe that incredibly fat guys are able to pull a lot of murders and get along with them, they just dropped their gun and that's it. No condition to escape from the police in case they are captured or something, I just don't see this as realistic imo.

>>223602587
good evening saar

>>223602587
most of them aren't fat. The ones doing the murders are the lower guys who take orders and they aren't big guys themselves.

They didn't have cameras everywhere back then so it wasn't hard to murder people. Witnesses know if they talk then they get killed too so nobody says anything to the police.

>>223602550
>>223602587
It was a different time

>>223602550
It's realistic. Successful people don't end up as street level thugs talking about raiding Fed-Ex trucks for watches.

>>223602447
Chris was probably one of the worst characters, morally speaking. Completely selfish and always lashing out. Doesn't make him less compelling of a character, though.
>>223602550
>>223602587
Have you guys seen what real life mafia hitmen and mob bosses look like?

I like the way Tony ended up putting him down like a dog

>>223602470
A MEANS TO AN END

>>223602536
You were ok with killing the waiter?

>>223602961
he was trying to shake them down

>>223602961
sure. they're all entitled pieces of shit
you want more money, learn to mobilize against your bosses. don't shame your customers into making up the difference

>>223602961
100% his fault

>>223602550
>>223602587
You retards, being a gangster is about having zero morals and a willingness to use extreme violence to get what you want at the expense of other people. You don't need muscles to do this. You need numbers and weapons and that's it.

>>223602470
HE DID-DENT

>>223603317
Anons on /tv/ are retarded. They think if a midget is pointing a gun at them they will survive, because “it’s a midget and I’d just kick the gun out of his hand”, as though the midget holding holding a gun.

>>223603417
as though the midget wasn’t* holding a gun.

(Even a baby can accidentally pull a gun’s trigger and kill someone)

>>223602447
you could maybe argue he was too stupid to be genuinely evil, but I think his capacity for self reflection makes him bright enough to qualify as evil

>>223602587
historically they had more leeway in the legal system because they had bribed and bought off judges and cops

kris tah fur

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>>223602470
Name 3
Cozette doesn't count

>>223603591
what, was it barking?

>>223602550
It wasn't JUST about general gangster life, it was kinda specifically set in a time when gangsters were shadows of their former level.

>>223602961
>got greedy
>called someone he didn't know an asshole for leaving a small tip, accusing him for being a degenerate gambler

>>223602424
My opinion of Chrissy as a man just fucking plummeted

>>223602536
This. My boy was a pilot from Nantucket

>>223603613
It was about gangsters trying to combine their unconventional job with their private lives. With then people around them trying to remain blind to what they are benefitting from while trying to get the most out of the situation.

Shit like this is the actual media literacy crisis, niggers of the mind and soul like OP who don't understand that these are CHARACTERS in a TV SHOW and the camera being on them doesn't mean that the writer is telling you that they're good guys you're supposed to sympathize with

>>223603317
4channarians can be really funny and stupid sometimes. Thinking NY/NJ mafia guys need to be Jack Reacher military-trained badasses, fucking hilarious.

>>223603591
>Emil Kolar: killed because his dad wanted to put a competitive bid for a job
>JT: friend of chris who got killed for no reason
>Carlo Renzi: killed just for being a customer of the pork store

>>223603803
>Carlo Renzi
not innocent. he was trying to rob the card game, and might be the one who shot Sunshine or Furio.

>>223603803
>Emil Kolar
he said innocent people, e-mail was a member of a criminal organization himself and he met with chrissy to discuss drug dealing. He got shot while sniffing coke
>JT
fair enough I'll give you that one.
>carlo
clearly self defence, carlo had a shotgun pointed at Chris and his friends

>>223602424
I know he killed 37 people...but it's Christopher!

>>223603536
No, no, he knew what he was doing. Fucking basement dweller.

>>223602961
he musta crawled under that brick for warmth

The weirdest thing about the modern crop of atheistic/agnostic puritanical redditors is they literally have no clue how much of their moral framework is firmly Christian. It's like the fish that doesn't think water exists.

>>223602424
what the hell is this take.

people either get wrapped up in thinking the gangsters are cool, or they're actually scumbags and we aren't supposed to forget that.

what is this new axis of interpretation. are people debating whether they're sympathetic and pathetic now or something?

>>223604124
>>223604112
>Carlo Renzi
I got mixed up with someone else. Then the retired cop he murdered didn't deserve it

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>>223602550
thats my favorite part of the show
The people actually look like normal people you might see when going out on the street and not like filmstars
It highligts the mundanity of it all and that everyone can be a gangster it doesnt take much skill or talent to be one just a lack of morales
Its also just nice to see normal people in tv every now and then
Every movie today the actors are so pumped full of steroids the avarage person has completly forgotten what a normal human even is suposed to look like
You could have Michelangelos David walk up to the avarage normie and people would shit on his physique because he hasnt inject himself with a bunch of steroids

>>223604152
And his house looked like shit!

>>223602447
he was given a vision of Hell and warned that his behaviour would lead him to eternal suffering and still choose to sell his soul to tony
He was given a clear out when Adriana confessed to working with the FBI and offered him to go into witness protection but decided to kill her instead
They all deserve whats gonna happen to them

>>223604124
>e-mail
his name was z-mail

>>223602424
Christopher was the best sopranos character after tony

>>223604306

How could you even enjoy this show if you categorically considered them irredeemable monsters? Lol it's supposed to be a comedy how tf are you supposed to laugh if you're just shaking all 6 seasons

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>abhorrently evil murderer... loves his mother!
Not buying it

>>223604152
>I know he killed 37 people
That we saw. These guys were offing people offscreen, too.

>>223604937
>loves his mother
>fuck you, you fucking whore!

>>223604937
>solipsistic manchild loves one of the few things that bounds him to another (bond between son and mother)
Yes.

>>223605137
I'm that but I feel nothing for my mother, who didn't raise me. And increasingly feel "nothing" for anyone as people around me die. I've also become increasingly averse to the touch of other people as I've aged and if someone is crying or upset I want nothing to do with them, cannot empathize and see it only as a time-wasting annoyance, and refuse to physically comfort them. It's like I'm getting MORE autistic.

>>223605498
No, you're just being a man. A real Gary Cooper.

>>223604937
paulie doesnt give a shit about his mother its all just a facade he puts on infront of the guys to show how good of an all italian son he is that he takes care of his mother
Its why he emphasises to Tony that he puts her in green groove and how much money he spends on the place because he thinks its a good retirement home if its good enough for his bosses mom when tony doesnt give a shit about his mother

From my point of view, the Lupertazzis are evil!

>>223602550
Literally all of them look like that irl.

>>223605676
Nah, his aunt/mother is about the one person he did give a shit about. He was still bothered/ashamed long after she died.

>>223605676
>paulie doesnt give a shit about his mother its all just a facade
same retarded fucking subhuman redditnigger perspective as "WALTER WHITE IS LITERALLY SATAN. MUH EGO! EGO! EGO EGO! EGO! EGOOOOOO! DID YOU KNOW? WALTER WHITE'S EGO WAS THE GREATEST VILLAIN? MORE THAN CHILD MURDERING FRING! WE HAD A GOOD THING GOING HERE!"

stupid fucking faggot

>>223602447
not only was Christopher evil, he was stupid

>>223605739
Walt facing bigger villains doesn't mean Walt wasn't a villain as well

>>223602424
you're a golem if you can't sympathize with christopher
i say this despite knowing he's a pathetic weak seedy fuck

>>223605805
He was a villain but it got lost that it was a more complex situation than he was always evil.

Sopranos does the same sort of thing. They spent 6 seasons showing that while Tony was a scumbag, it wasn't as simple as him being a sociopath. Then in the end, Chase just ignores that and dismisses him as one. Gilligan does the same thing with Walt.

>>223605830
>sympathize with the murdering retard because he gets sad
no

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>>223602550
>I just don't buy the babyfaced, puffy skinnyfat manchildren being actual gangsters
That look is kino though, better than the alternative

>>223605937
>He was a villain but it got lost that it was a more complex situation than he was always evil.
that's a fair way to look at it. Walt wasn't always evil, but he clearly did become evil as he got deeper into the drug trade

>>223606002
That's the thing, anon. You don't just become evil.You are either born that way or you have some kind of brain damage to disassociate. Especially in 2 years like Breaking Bad.

>>223606000
skinnytone has neither the makings of a varisty athlete nor a boss, let alone the leader of a glorified crew

>>223602550
>I just dont buy reality
we know that already, zoomoid

>I just don't buy that a criminal outfit in New Jersey looks like lower middle class New Jerseyans and not stage performers

these people share a board with you

>>223606235
If you're a millennial, then you're from cattle generation. Just die off already, you ruined this world with your cattle complience.

>>223606174

But he did. He did become evil. It was a spiral and the further he went the more pressure he felt to cross the line. It was downstream of his own pride but he didn't set out thinking he would be signing off on gang hits.

>>223602424
just because someone feels no empathy towards others doesn't mean they can't feel pity towards themselves

>>223602424
you may be starting to understand the show, yeah

>>223606793

Chris is actually empathetic and tends to try to make the right decision even if he is fundamentally dumb and incapable of making it

>>223604124

lol that he shot JT immediately after he said "but Chris, you're in the mafia", like he couldn't psychologically handle a civilian saying that back to him

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>The "just go to therapy" crowd has found the Sopranos

this is about to get a whole lot more annoying isn't it. I honestly pity the foidbrain, it's joyless.

>>223606844
i don't disagree i was just taking OP's greater point to task at its face

>>223606174
You're wrong. We become whatever we are, in that moment. We are constantly in the middle of a state of becoming.

ITS A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY

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>>223602550
>>223602587
You are both faggots

>>223606326
>Just die off already, you ruined this world with your
Every generation, everywhere, at every time, is a cattle generation. Only a portion of people from any gen is not cattle.

I've noticed the zoomers don't even get the concept of a mafia. They aren't generic "psycho killers." They have a code and a game. Only certain kinds of people are allowed to be "legally" hit or whacked and it tends to be other players in that game who knew what they were singing up for. One big proof of this concept was when Tony and the others chimped out on Ralphie for killing a dancer indulgently. You aren't psychotic if you still have rules even if those include "sanctioned killing." In Chris' mind most of what he did was justified within that framework and community, like a mercenary or soldier of older days. I mean they literally call themselves soldiers and capos and Italy was THE mercenary state for a long time.

I just want women to leave male media alone and go watch Euphoria or something this is not made for your brain.

>>223606860
hilarious pic. I actually got a little freelance part-time job a couple years ago that had 100-200 applicants. It wasn't for a lot of money, but was an okay temporary thing. Got a call back and interview for a job that was $75/hour a couple years ago too. I guess my resume and experience aren't total shit. idk

>>223604249
nothing more i despise than moralfag atheists. at least christian moralfags have a reason to be moralfags.

>>223606935
>We are constantly in the middle of a state of becoming.
This. I'm currently becoming Chad, but later I might be half-chud, and even later, in the middle of being a perma-incel-neet-KINGGOD, then back probably to just basic Chad state.

>>223607034

Yeah that's what I mean it's like the worst of both worlds. So you're a nihilistic antinatalistic piece of shit but you also want to pearl clutch over swear words and murder like a sunday school teacher? It's terrible stuff. I wouldn't even know how to talk with them like what exactly is taboo and what isn't lol.

>>223602447
The only person in the Jersey crew that showed themselves to have some semblance of a conscious was Tony up until the last season at least. The rest of them were all portrayed as psycho retards that would kill an innocent at the drop of a hat and think nothing of it, you see them all do it multiple times
Chris never felt bad about murdering that polish guy, only worried that he was gonna get caught

>>223606174
>You don't just become evil.
it's not immediate but yes you can become evil

>>223607071
>Jersey crew that showed themselves to have some semblance of a conscious
Conscience.
What about Bobby B or Patsy?

>>223602536
it was a completely casual thing too. took out his anger on him after bleeding him dry.

>>223607071

I'm going to be honest, Tony was arguably the worst because he would do things irrationally and indulgently, like an actual sadist, not just a goon. He didn't really have a guiding set of behaviors or principles he could do anything at any given moment.

>forces Chris to go to rehab
>Chris goes to rehab and gets clean
>comes back
>Tony starts making fun of his sobriety and forces him to drink
>he drinks again
>spirals back into alcoholism
>they wreck together
>Tony kills him

this is one of the more evil things Tony did imo, it's funny how people can't actually read the characters in this show. There was nothing Chris could have ever done, he was just hated.

>>223607071
>>223607099
Paulie doesn't get enough credit. For all of his eccentric nonsense and borderline disloyalty, he never really did anything remotely bad as the others.

I'm remembering the nursing home as I write this, but the point still sorta stands.

>>223606970
Your pic looks like one of the Italians in Sopranos.

>>223602536
absolutely where he lost me as well
he's was already really bad with the violence towards Ade and JT, but that was it for me.

>>223607152
the waiter

>>223607152
>For all of his eccentric nonsense and borderline disloyalty, he never really did anything remotely bad as the others.
He broke a guy's legs because his mother loved him.

>>223606970
>this is what Breaking Redditors who don't like Sopranos look like
disgusting, should be euthanized

>>223607182

was a dumbass for being disrespectful and whiny with a couple of gangsters who were already arguing in an alley

it isn't a justified killing but it is understandable if that makes any sense

>>223606366
Yeah, because it's fiction, anon.
>>223606935
You will never be a woman.

>>223607071
Bobby got real fucked up when he had to hit the guy in Montreal. He wasn't as cold blooded as the rest.

>>223602550
criminals are just losers who rely on the goodwill of common people and the benefit of the doubt. a lot of the times they present in a pathetic way to disarm people too

>>223607225

Many who are considered "evil" get there in stages and life circumstances that others don't understand. Netanyahu for instance is derided as ruthless towards Muslims but he grew up fighting infinity wars against them and lost his brother to them so naturally he isn't ever going to grant them any quarter, and that's seen as evil to neutral westerners who don't relate.

True evil to me is irrational and serves no greater good or greater purpose. It's indulgent, sadistic, and purely selfish. I think more of someone like Pol Pot, the opposite. Willing to make everything worse for everyone possible just to satisfy an internal craving or need.

>>223607222
Yes and it makes Paulie and Chris objectively evil

>>223607222
no, it's not understandable. A waiter bitching at you about a lousy tip doesn't mean you get to chimp out.

>>223607455

To demand money from someone is an offensive act in of itself. I don't think it's right to respond violently like that, but I understand it. It's hotheaded and malicious, but evil is a stronger concept.

i.e. if you call that evil, and you also call a serial killer who rapes and murders 250 kids and eats them evil, what does "evil" really mean? It gets cheapened

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>>223602424
> oh no, did Tony died did he die or not like did he die or did he die?
Death is transitional, and you have many souls that you’ll lose before you ultimately die. This was explained to you from the beginning and none of you listened. Please listen to my last words.

>>223603803
His Dad was dead before the series started faggot Tony is his cousin by marriage

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>>223607472

Says who? Jesus?

>>223607495
I come with no forgive words from Jesus

>>223607479
>i.e. if you call that evil, and you also call a serial killer who rapes and murders 250 kids and eats them evil, what does "evil" really mean? It gets cheapened
there are degrees of evil

>>223603803
Disregard my last I am fucking retarded you were talking about Emil’s dad

>>223607099
Thanks I forget sometimes those are different words. Idk patty seems pretty sleazy he just seems sympathetic for a while because he’s all sad about his brother dying

>>223607513

Do you think people understand that? How are you going to convey "degrees of evil"? I consider mobs and goons to be bad people but at their base they are just simple thugs acting understandably even if it isn't justifiable. Paulie would recoil at the concept of killing an innocent kid, but has no problem offing some faggot demanding he give him money.

"Evil" doesn't really have limits or any kind of code. The only reason why mafia shows are palatable is because most of us understand there is some kind of code here, otherwise it would be more like black gangs, which are full of wanton violence. They DO shoot up little kid parties for fun.

The banality of evil. Richard Kuklinski looked like an average postal worker or garbageman. Maybe if you weren't a mental child you could determine who the bad guy was without the show making them have an obvious bad guy costume.

>>223602424
If I lived in the Sopranos universe and had a "Kill Chris Moltisanti" button, I'd press it. Even so, you can empathize with a person, any person, whose father figure and role model is a callous, tormenting prick.

>>223607547
This whole mafia charade represents everything from top to bottom

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>>223602550
here's some real Italian gangsters, do they look tough to you?

>>223607547

Bro the people selling heroin and killing people don't have any sort of "code." Their code is just rational understanding that they more noise and panic they create the more chance the police crack down on them. Mobsters didn't restrain themselves out of virtuousness, they just understood that burning down their own neighborhood was really bad for business.

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It’s hard for me to peacefully explain to you how upset I am about you not listening to me about the research I have done regarding the inspirations of your favorite show.

>>223607578
I see a few likely 4chongers there. Not any super tough looking guys though.

>>223607587

Of course that's part of their code. That is a willing customer. Who gave you the divine right to decide if someone can/can't buy a thing? You're speaking on behalf of divinity.

This is the whole debate, what is morality and what is "evil"? Even in a prison they have a hierarchy and like to dogpile on child rapists for a reason. It's the most objectively obvious evil thing to do. And then it scales from there. The mafia draw the line further down than you personally do.

We can tolerate and even empathize with them because they still work within a semi-moral framework, a sort of brutish caveman morality but an existent one nonetheless. The Godfather was particularly bad for pretending like this was some kind of noble thing.

>>223607578
literally all arabs lmfao these are whites amermiutts will defend

>>223602447
Didn’t he beat the shit out of his girlfriend and almost strangle her to death?

>>223607746
My point is that have no actual moral framework and anything that appears to be a "code" or moral is simply a practical measure to keep attention away from the various crimes they are committing. It's a laughable cope to think otherwise.

Selling heroin to people is an act of war. If you don't think so look up the Opium Wars. Accusing me of "speaking on behalf of divinity" is fucking retarded.

>>223607779

Adriana got whacked for betraying them, and it was still the subject of a debate. Narcing is the unforgiveable sin in any criminal organization

>>223607808

No because as I pointed out, they did object to things they could get away with, like killing a hooker/dancer. No one was going to care about that. But it still felt needless and wrong. Ralphie was a legitimate unhinged psycho.

>selling heroin is an act of war

You are speaking out of your own personal preference and morals and I have no clue how you don't get that. We "legally" prescribe all sorts of fucked up drugs to people and pharma gets tremendously rich off of it. We murder full term babies in utero and this is considered "ok". It's all flexible.

>>223603766
not even military commando guys look like that.
>that one ww2 vet turned vietnam commando criminal dude just looked like a 90's HR office manager

>>223607152
He strangled an old lady to death in order to pay his boss the pittance he owed.

>>223607856
I don't think you're well read enough to have this conversation.

>>223607856
Just because we’ve lived in a fully subverted society for some 100 years does not mean the general practice of abortion or the pharma racket is any less morally objectionable. You are a weird faggot

>>223607948
>>223607967

The point is if you use "evil" liberally and make it a huge basket anywhere from "common goon" to "serial killer" it becomes meaningless. Calling the Sopranos evil when you also watch literal horror movies with abject depravity is just weird. There is bad and then there is evil and modern day reddit types do this bizarre puritanical flip flop dance where they moralize the mundane and then ignore the truly depraved.

Nobody gives a FUCK about someone wanting to buy a drug and getting it ffs. You're also free to jump out of a window if you'd like. It is not the same thing as gleefully murdering innocents.

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>>223607967

So your 19th century Christian puritanical standards of morality condemn abortion and pharmaceuticals, but not "faggot"? How do you not get this? Why do you go on the internet and do this? Is this fun for you?

In my arbitrary moral framework anyone who calls someone else a faggot is evil, just like Chrissy, John Wayne Gacy, and Bayer Pharmaceuticals

>>223608018
>Nobody gives a FUCK about someone wanting to buy a drug and getting it ffs.
I do

>>223602470
he had to remain loyle to his capo

>>223605676
literally cries when he finds out who his mother truly is btw

>good thread
>derailed by schizos

>>223607858
>ww2 vet turned vietnam commando criminal dude
who is this? name?

>>223608068
Bodied that faggot

>>223602961
that was paulie

>>223608018
I think some anons' "difficulty" here may be if we're looking at bad acts on a spectrum, and acknowledge that murder and rape are really really bad, and shoplifting is not as bad, then you can start to relativize and dismiss the less bad crimes. o algo idk lol

Are Sopranos characters truly, literally evil? You could say so, but they are still very human, and I don't see them committing some of the more heinous acts, though they do still commit some of those as well. That's the whole debate.

>>223608081
>I do
why exactly? Not objecting to doing so, just curious really.

>>223602961
>spend all night serving large table who are most likely mob-related
>follow them out and demand a higher tip
Yeah, that was simple Darwinism.

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>>223608166
Ted Braden
got involved in all sorts of CIA shady drug deal shit after Vietnam and managed to keep outta prison based on his CIA backgrounds/knowledge, a good while anyway. Was a suspect of being D.B Cooper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Braden

>>223608048
Because you're too retarded to understand that your opposition to calling someone a faggot is based in political indoctrination, not objective morality.

Again, this conversation is way above your mental ability.

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>>223602550
>>223602587

Do any of you retards really want the literary explanation behind the finale season and Tony's ending, or are you just here to shit stir in confusion forever?

>>223609293
>Do any of you retards really want the literary explanation behind the finale season and Tony's ending
lil bro thinks he's on reddit lol

>>223607370
>to me
Evil isn't subjective, redditman. There must be damage to the brain for sociopathy to occur later in life. An example is Caligula who suffered brain damage after being in a coma.

You don't go from crying over killing a guy (who is trying to kill you) to mwahhahah villain in 2 years. Gilligan just pussed out because people were still rooting for Walt. It's one thing to say he found he liked it after starting in the meth business. It's another to suggest S1 never happened.

>>223608252
Well, I appreciate your point. I think some anon’s difficulty, or perhaps all of us anon’s shared difficulty, are in recognizing that you could be completely evil while being completely human.

>>223602424
This is every crime and mafia movie/show for me. I get that im just autistic but I literally cant comprehend why id want to watch even the unrealistic acted-out version of subhuman nigger gangsters. I dont - no, I cannot be made to care about these characters' struggles or families. I want them to fail and die and it's totally non-negotiable. There is no drama or moral story in it for me so it's impossible to enjoy or even tolerate.

>>223610961
Think of them as power fantasies for fat normies that day dream about being tyrants but are too big of pussies to say a harsh word to someone on the street. Or a beta male redditor that speaks condescendingly to everyone online but in his life has never accomplished anything substantial.

>>223606970
This guy has the face structure to be a chad. Sad.

>>223607866
she was a malignant cunt

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>>223609293
I've seen you /x/posting about the Seven Souls diatribe in every Sopranos for a week now, it's just not as interesting as you think it is.

>>223609293
Sure, what's your take on it?

>>223602470
Ay man dat lil wop dindu nuffin man

>>223603591
Cozette should have had him green lit there and then.

>>223602961
He came at Paulie with a bill, he had every right to defend himself.

>>223606000
Skinnytone needs about 10 fewer years of apparent aging. Being a fat fuck does a number on you

>>223607145
it's more evil and fucked up to know you're doing something wrong and do it anyway like tony then just being a scumbag like most of the other guys

>>223607152
>Paulie doesn't get enough credit. For all of his eccentric nonsense and borderline disloyalty, he never really did anything remotely bad as the others.
do you just watch clips? paulie was probably the worst psycho out of all of them

>>223607856
They don't really though. None of them openly frames it as killing an innocent woman. They frame it as "disrespecting the Bing."

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>LE hErO vS vIlLAiN

wow what a very great direction cultural creativity is going. totally not a result of banal hysteria and soi

>>223602424
WOKE UP THIS MORNING
GOT MYSELF A GABOOGOL WITH VINEGA PEPPAS
DIED ON THE TOILET

>>223602470
socioeconomic factors

>>223606000
AIDS?

>>223614959
Nobody's assfucking faggots around here, not I don't wanna hear that kind tawk anymore!

>>223602587
Why can you not believe it? You don't need to be athletic to shoot a gun.

>>223608127
because his entire life is a lie and the woman he thaught was his mother lied to him while his real mom was a whowa

>>223602550
I just can't stand all the mouth smacking

>>223607011
>a mercenary or soldier

Both highly praised for their moral deeds since time immemorial

>>223607152
>nursing home

IT WAS A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY

>>223607479
Anon, are you evangelical by any chance?

>>223614947
Why do people mock this phrase? Do you understand what it means?

>>223610961
This

>>223608148
welcome to 4chan

>>223607152
The waiter, his mother's fake friend, and then disowning his mother after finding out she wasn't that all along.