Chatgpt put mawashi on them

aww, theyre hugging

Why does the Matrix subway fight work, but the fight scenes in marvel movies doesn't?
The Matrix fight scene isn't even 'real' in its own movie, so how could that be?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZVsVQwlc9Y

>>223656721
They're not highly choreographed, thats the problem. Instead its all cgi and jump cuts.

>>223656721
>Why do highly choreographed fight scenes always feel so fucking garbage?
If they were highly choreographed they wouldn't be garbage.

>>223656721
Give an example of what you're talking about, It's probably the editing that sucks, not the choreography.
That and the fact you don't have nearly enough career stunties who specialize in the pro-wresting shit you need to do to sell a hit in an entertaining fashion.

>>223656886
because he knows jewjitsu

>>223656886
it's better choreographed and the fight is the main focus while marvel fights usually look bland with just guys throwing punches and it has a shit ton of cuts and happens in the middle of some bigger action scene, though I wouldn't say that matrix fight scenes are miles better.

>>223657028
The first Matrix does have great fights because the agents feel real and dangerous. When Neo finally fights Smith, you feel like theyre somehow on equal footing for the first time, but then Smith still manages to win.It's basically Neo's character arc distilled in a fight scene.
Also it feels actually real, like they're not holding back for the sake of recording, but theyre actually hitting each other. Those punches at 2:13 were real attempts at hitting Neo.

The sequels throw all of this in the garbage.

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>biwa music starts playing

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>>223657652
DIE MOTHERFUCKER

I guess because real fights aren't choreographed, so if it's too clean it's not convincing. It's just like watching Olympic karate, they've both learned all the same moves, you're just watching them spar to see who does them better.

Sometimes it can work, like here >>223656886
- because canonically these are two hyper-capable fighters duking it out in a computer world, it makes sense that there be something visually robotic about it.

But in a normal fight it needs to be sloppy, and it's hard to make it convincingly sloppy when you drill the scene over and over again.

>>223656721
I watch action films at 1.5x speed and crappy looking drama slop at 1.75x. At those speed, the action becomes more visceral.

Watch better action movies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm_KI4dfiXk

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>>223657702
LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR
LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR
LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR
LET THE BODIES HIT THE

>>223656721
Because real fights are gay cringe, two retards swinging at each other, nobody does anything cool. It's an overcorrection but it's better than what we get in the real world.

>>223657028
>look bland with just guys throwing punches and it has a shit ton of cuts and happens in the middle of some bigger action scene
And people say the movies aren't accurate to the comics

>>223657907
That can be great though, some of the best fight scenes are just two retards wailing on each other because it's more immersive

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highly choreographed

>>223656886
Fun fact, the agents used a hard style of martial arts similar to karate, and Morpheus and Neo used a softer, more kung fu style.

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>>223656721
choreographed? chinese people fight unscripted

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>>223657993
i mean irl it's over pretty quickly once you hit the head

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>>223656721
Because MMA is boring horseshit for drooling mongoloids.
People appreciate aesthetcsl and artistic skills, two meatheads doing windmills for a while until they fall on the ground and rub their crotches over each other doesn't belong on screen.

>>223658019
i didnt know karate was a hard style

>>223656993
>It's probably the editing that sucks, not the choreography.
It's this OP. *Well-choreographed* fight scenes done by professionals look good. Poorly done ones do not. See Hector and Achilles from Troy as a well done example. See Nolan films for garbage scenes.

>>223657702
I read somewhere that beavers were 67% gayer than the rest of the animal kingdom.

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>>223656886
Because it is built up over the length of the film and the fight has soul at its core

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>>223656721
Things have gotten bad, haven't they?

>>223658117
>See Hector and Achilles from Troy as a well done example.

That one might unironically be the best fight scene ever put on screen.

>>223656721
>Summo Beavers
More!

>>223658156
the sabine vs shin fight in the early seasons is actually one of the better disneywars duels.

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>>223658219
YYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>223658073
Jackie Chan, Benny the Jet, Wheels on Meals. if you don't watch the full movie (and you should - it's fun) do yourself a favour and watch the fight on YT.

>>223658032
>Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.

>>223658075
karate is a hard style. you punch and kick in straight lines and you meet force with force. judo is soft style - you yield and use weight against opponents, etc

>>223658261
>kicks so fast that he blows out a set of candles
yup, it's kino

>>223658048
This is the most realistic "man vs woman" fight I've ever seen.

>>223656721
>>223656886
Well, it mainly depends on three things:

1) Direction
2) Talent of the fight choreographer
3) Context

The first two factors play directly into the third one. A smart director and a good choreographer will take the context into account. How skilled are your combatants supposed to be? In The Matrix, they’re superhumanly skilled, superhumanly strong, and fighting in an environment that we all know isn’t technically “real,” so it looks fantastic and feels real. Now the obvious comparison is capeshit, but in the bulk of those movies, it’s the direction that’s lacking, or to be fair, even when the directors are good, they’re frequently being hassled by the studios to crank out the “product,” so they end up settling for “good enough” and stitching together a Frankensteinian mess of a fight scene. Another situation you’ll run into is a low budget affair where the director/choreographer are looking to impress, resulting in fight scenes that are overly choreographed for just a couple of half-drunk lumberjacks in a bar, thus taking you out of the story.

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>Action movie: protagonist is attacked by someone wielding a weapon; disarms them and wins the fight
>You Were Never Really Here: Joaquin Phoenix brings a hammer to your house. He hits you in the head and you fall down, then he hits you in the head like ten more times and you die.

Not a knock on your average action movie, part of the point there is spectacle, but YWNRH does a good job of depicting how unglamorous an actual "fight" with an armed attacker is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT6JM1K7o1U&t=110s

>>223658236
Grand Heya-gashira

>>223657652
>>223657702
Did you guys know that beavers’ teeth are orange because of how much iron is in them?

>>223658156
Having the light-up sabers is great for practical lighting in a scene, but it's been fucking terrible for the actual choreography. When they had metal poles in the original six films the actors could really wail on each other (except for the original Obi-Wan Vader fight when they had the retro-reflective tape on the sabers and they were fragile as fuck). Just keep whacking until the pole bent and then swap out for a new one. Now the actors have to be careful not to break the light-up props.

>It's in every major blockbuster now
>now
Did you just wake up from a thirty year coma?

>>223658026
It's like Storm Riders but in real life

>>223658189
Undeniably.

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>>223656886
I'll just add that Keanu Reeves is a major reason why fights in Matrix look good, he is incredible hardworker. Remember, it was supposed to be Will Smith.
Reeves in my opinion is underappreciated, I almost never hear anyone mention him when discussing action stars. He is the reason why Wick series looks as good as it does. While it is stuntman galore event, Reeves absolutely keeps up with industry professionals and even Hong Kong action stars like Donnie Yen.
He did admirable job in spite of his age and the fact that his knees basically don't work anymore.

>>223658048
>sucker punches him from behind
That'll show him

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>>223658413
AKCHULLY
https://www.acs.org/pressroom/presspacs/2024/april/iron-rich-enamel-protects-but-doesnt-color-rodents-orange-brown-incisors.html

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>>223658156
Jfc, it really is like Power Rangers. And of course a screaming woman to boot. Here, have a real lightsaber duel.

>>223658156
i dont get how ten people with guns just stand there and watch instead of just unloading on her

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>>223658117
>While these results suggest that different types of rodents develop the iron-rich outer enamel layer in a similar way, the depth of the layer vary by species, with mice having the thinnest and coypus having the thickest layers.
Coypus/Nutria are the poor man's beavers, but their teeth are great

A lot of modern choreographed fights feel less like people trying to hurt each other and taking damage and more like elaborate dance routines where the hero already knows where everyone is going to be at all times. The action is so smooth with no reactions to anything at all, just going through the motions.

>>223656913
There is a lot of that too but recently I've noticed a trend especially in animated shit like the netflix Asslevania or X-Men '97 where they have these specific, well animated (in contrast to the rest of show) scenes where a character takes down a bunch of bad guys effortlessly in quick order. I strongly suspect mocap might be behind it as well, watching the motions really does feel like I'm seeing a bunch of people doing something in a gym.

>>223658508
I cant imagine the Matrix with Will Smith as Neo. Or anyone besides Keanu desu. Yeah his acting is a bit wooden but it works perfectly as Neo

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Still the most realistic fight put to screen. Even with the clearly missed punches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx8BEZg3e10

>>223658345
>1) Direction
Uhhhh just film it like a tv scene
>2) Talent of the fight choreographer
If you use jump cuts, it feels exhilarating and intense!
>3) Context
Something epic and impactful for the trailer

>>223658345
>they’re frequently being hassled by the studios to crank out the “product,” so they end up settling for “good enough” and stitching together a Frankensteinian mess of a fight scene

This is seriously understated in case of studios like Marvel. There were now multiple directors who arrived on a set, asked about fight/action scenes, and they were told not to worry about it, because fight scenes are already done, while script isn't even finished. Who made them? Nobody knows.

>>223658609
Missing punches is very common in real fights so that's cool in a way

Anyone got the webm of the shitty airport fight of Avengers: Civil War?

>>223658432
Grim

>>223658346
Holy fuck. Any one of those swats would probably take your head off.

>>223657907
Real fights are 90% grappling until someone gets a decent hit to the face. People really overestimate how strong humans are, our brains are super vulnerable, one solid knock to the head and you are done. It's even faster with weapons, I've seen rekt gifs where a manlet oneshots a guy much bigger than him with a single stab. For some reason a lot of people really don't understand how quick and brutal real violence can be or why animals in the wild avoid it as much as possible, even if you come out the victor getting a life long injury is easy.

>>223658261
Wasn’t the rumor that they decided during filming to stop pulling their punches?

>>223658541
Huh … I wonder what’s doing it then - the stuff they chew on?

>>223658719
if you read the article, it says:
>Finally, the intense orange-brown color of rodent incisors doesn’t come from the filled pockets in the enamel, as was previously thought, but from a thin surface layer composed of aromatic amino acids and inorganic minerals.

>>223658662
Don't ever go anywhere near bear territory without a gun, humans really don't have any way to counter them. Imagine trying to fight a sumo wrestler with Wolverine's claws without getting horribly fucked up, that's basically the equivalent of being attacked by a bear.

>>223658719
They aren't brushing properly

>>223658729
>aromatic amino acids
Imagine the smell

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>>223658719
>>223658771
It's carrots

>>223657702
>>223657652
>>223656721
Why are they like this?

>>223658771
What were human teeth like before toothpaste? I honestly want to know. I can't even imagine it. And what did people do about their butts before toilet paper?

>>223658658
The really fucked up part is that there are unlicensed lightsaber toy companies who make light-up sabers specifically designed for competition level sword dueling and can withstand heavy contact and Prequel era choreography.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4is7h_cgzI
Here's the same fight with edited sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmR5LoyZ4jw
The fact that Hollywood can't even get to this point anymore shows just how much the focus on CGI has fucked up all the other disciplines.

>>223656721
Because they have guns, lasers, or magic, and they insist on punching each other.
It's just retarded.

>>223658803
We only got a ton of cavities when we switched to starch rich plant diets following the development of agriculture. Before that, hunter-gatherers had wide jaws with few cavities.

>>223658729
Would one of those inorganic materials happen to be iron oxide? Because that color looks an awful lot like rust. Just sayin. Interesting article, though!

>>223658828
That’s cool as shit.

>>223658346
Love the environment destruction like it's an anime battle. Also the way they stop reminds me of something a lot of movies don't acknowledge, which is how awkward fighting can be. You don't always know how to position yourself, you don't know if your opponent is about to up the ante or back off, some movements will look completely embarrassing but might get the job done, so I think many directors just think "fight = cool poses and explosions because anime and Michael Bay" and don't give it much thought beyond that.

>>223658681
>For some reason
I can't say this is the main reason but a big part might be that violence existing is taken as a given and is also avoided as a teaching topic. Nobody teaches directly about violence or its effects, probably because talking about it at all would be seenas encouraging kids to do it more, but schools don't even teach skills or how to do taxes so it could just tie into school being a boring daycare. But anyway as a result most people are completely incapable of properly defending themselves.

>>223658346
I think I could tank a bear slap.

Shakey cam and quick cuts destroy any well-coreographed fight in a single second.

>>223658792
>THOOM THOOM THOOM THOOM THOOM
>>223658828
>hey by the way, you don't hate the biggest media companies or hollywood enough
You're right, thanks for fixing that.

>>223658792
Gluttony, greed, wrath, lust... every sin in the book

>>223659032
>thanks for fixing that.
You're welcome.

>>223659006
True, but another effect of that is strange delusions people have about violence. The autistic nerd types who've never been in a fight in their lives yet believe without a doubt that if they "had to" they'd turn into an unstoppable killing machine. Usually to save some lady. Respectfully. And, as a gentleman of course, without expecting any sort of compensation because that would be wrong. Unless...

Do you think Beavers (1988) will ever get an IMAX rerelease?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDwRmBCANvE&pp=ygUMQmVhdmVycyBpbWF4&ra=m

>>223659101
What's it about?

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>>223658606
>I cant imagine the Matrix with Will Smith as Neo

I can't even imagine just fight scenes with Will Smith. That being said, Laurence Fishburn actually did incredible job in combat scenes, for an out of shape guy.

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>>223656721
>Why do highly choreographed fight scenes always feel so fucking garbage?
OP, I suggest you kill yourself
Highly coreographed fight scenes feel infinitely better than half assed choreographed scenes
Try watching a Hong Kong flick from 35 years ago
https://youtu.be/NJwAM_L4U6o?is=7FQoj2r8_7LlsRxq

>>223658346
I could take them.

Test

>>223659216
nigger

>>223659216
Nigger

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OP btfo

>>223658803
>What were human teeth like before toothpaste?

Quite normal actually, because you didn't have fuckton of processed sugar in the air itself. They also did brush their teeth, they used herbal powder, or even fire ashes, vinegar solutions as a mouthwash, and herb mixtures to freshen their breath.

Hollywood did fuckton of damage to the perception of ordinary life during middle ages. Just consider this - you have an entire gender that will get 57 urinal tract infections if they don't have stable temperature and good hygiene, do you think they lived in constant filth?

>>223659105
Beavers, mostly.

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>>223658803
Europeans used to use shit sticks in public toilets. Some still do, it's really unhygienic, so jeets feel right at home there.

>>223659216
Welcome back.

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All will be cleansed on the day of the dam

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Did you know beavers can boggle, just like rats?

>>223659335
are jeets becoming unstoppable?

>>223656721
because drama faggots have never been in a fight.
unlike us rough and tumble toughies.

>>223658346
Why are these beavers so much more agressive than OP’s?

>>223659522
Beaver roids. That's why they're so big and aggressive.

>>223659522
socio-economic factors

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Here's that epic kino I was telling you about.

>>223659335
I wish western films remembered how to have fun like this
>>223659418
I wish anons remembered how to have fun instead of baiting themselves into taking lighthearted posts completely seriously

>>223659716
Fucking seizure warning holy shit

>>223659758
You posted Jeet slop. You actively made the thread worse by posting that.

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>>223659774
Skill issue. If you can't handle some light seizing, then you're not a real anime fan.

>>223659798
>You
Nice try mister culture warrior, however you are actually the one making the thread worse by crying about it so much. Don't try so hard to fit in.

>>223659774
It's an epic kino, it goes without saying.

>>223659847
>No U!
Jeetistan has never produced a single good film, and that's before they started editing everything to try and rip off Zack Snyder. If you genuinely enjoy any film coming out of India then you're a fucking retard, and if you ARE from India, well then you're just not worth paying attention to and I'm glad the internet separates us so I can't smell you.

>>223659918
Well I'm not going to join you in your /v/-tier performative outrage, sorry.

>>223658566
this is amazing. I always wanted to see three rubber mannequins hitting each other's glow sticks, rather than a guy moving at immense speed.

>>223659970
>I don't actually have anything to say to defend Jeetistan or the shit they make.
Well shucks, you sure told me. Faggot.

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Why do beavers act the way they do? What drives them to beave?

>>223656721
Supremacy in a real fight is almost always determined by size. I was at a Red Lobster once. In the lobster tank, two lobsters were fighting. At first the smaller lobster was trying his best taking the one almost twice his size fighting him. But even though their pincers were bound by rubber bands, and the bigger lobster couldn't inflict any damage on the smaller one, the smaller one just ended up chickening out and cowering in a corner. It was heartbreaking. At least the bigger lobster had the decency to leave the smaller guy alone at that point.

>>223660100
He is nature's FIRST engineer. He's trying to build a dam, silly.

>>223660018
I liked the first few seasons enough to watch them but it always annoyed me how they went from showing Flash being fast by showing him being fast to...using slowmo every time he went fast.

>>223658574
i'd unload on her, IYkwim

>>223660100
Why contain it?

>>223658609
it"s not, it's just what plebbit told you to 'think'
you've never had a fight, seen a fight or imagined a fight.

>>223660459
>you've never had a fight, seen a fight or imagined a fight.
Keep telling yourself that.

>>223658708
bennie the jet has an interview on utube talking about it, jackie talked to him and said he hired him because he knew he could take hits, so he hit him. his face etc would be all swollen up after each take, probably not all makeup you see.

>>223656721
>Why do highly choreographed fight scenes always feel so fucking garbage?
Because fights aren't gymnastics competitions. So the over-the-top stuntwork immediately looks 'wrong' and not like they're trying to hurt each other. And then the stunts only work if the other person lets them work, so it almost always results obvious moments where the recipient is waiting to be attacked.
Also, when they put that much pizzazz on the choreography, it normally means they're doing the same for the camera work. So you get a billion different cuts to show every action in the most 'optimal' way, which breaks the immersion and turns into a montage of stupidity instead of a fight scene.
2 drama kids faking a fistfight in a single take with the camera placed correctly and good sound effects will almost always mog hollywood's bullshit just because it's at least grounded

>>223658353
That film's fight scenes were trash.
I'm still annoyed at the stairwell fight where the entire thing was obscured and filtered through a cctv camera because the director can't direct action scenes (she literally admitted this btw)

>>223658681
they aren't grappling, unless you're a faggot.

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OP btfo

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KINOOOOO

>>223659847
this post smells of poo

>>223658603
>A lot of modern
As opposed to the old days? What old movies have fights that looks like they're trying to hurt each other instead of being tightly choreographed? Please show me

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>>223659522

>>223660923
Matrix Subway fight, for one

>>223656721
They are not that well choreographed

>>223659445
Dis nigga beavin’ out

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>>223660974
lmao EU police
This is how NA police arrest

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>>223661060
And this is EU police

>>223661138
OI BOBER KURWA

>>223661138
>>223661060
just shoot the fucking thing ffs
city folk are fucking pathetic

>>223661138
You can't arrest a beaver. He doesn't even have citizenship. What are his rights under EU law?

>>223661060
>>223661138
it's amazing that EU and NA beavers are genetically distinct to the point that they cannot interbreed, when they look and act exactly the same.

>>223661176
filthy brownoid, the goal is to move it to a safe area not kill it because its a slight inconvenience