Spain?
I DIDN'T expect this.
If I kill all the indians, would I go to Heaven?
>>223814508The Bane in Spain falls mainly in the plane
>Calm down, ticitl. Now is not the time for fear. That comes later.
>>223814530It would be extremely profitable.
Tell me about Monteczuma, why does he hold the staff?
>No pedro you stay they expect at least one of us taking a nap
>>223814508Do modern Hispanics identify more with their conquistador ancestors or their indigenous ancestors? I think if I was Hispanic I'd larp as a conquistador, they seem cooler than the guys who lost.
>>223815797It depends, there are still places in Mexico where they speak mayan and worship some of the old gods (not as a larp)
>>223815797>they seem cooler than the guys who lost.Except in most of the "Spanish" campaigns against city-states, kingdoms, and empires (hell, even often against the less organized chiefdoms and tribes) in the Americas was really mostly fought by armies from other local states who allied with the Spanish to take out their rivals or capitals to gain or hold onto power and status. For example, the Conquistadors who fought with Cortes to conquer Tenochtitlan, the Aztec capital (who mind you, these conquistadors weren't even really "Spanish" at the time, since Cortes had been charged with treason and other Conquistadors had been sent out to arrest him) made up what is quite possibly less than 1%, maybe even less than half a percent, of the total forces: The rest were soldiers from Tlaxcala, Texcoco,etc. Kings and other officials from those and other states like Xicotencatl II, Ixtlilxochitl II, Xicomecoatl, etc were also often calling the shots as much as Cortes was or were actively maniipulating himEven 20 years after Cortes, in expeditions all the way up into Kansas in the central United States, most of the Coronado expedition were Mesoamerican soldiers (likely Mexica from Tenochtitlan/Mexico City, Tlaxcalteca, Purepecha etc), and even the Conquistadors in the expedition were still relying on Mesoamerican armor rather then European armor due to it's scarcity and expense in the Americas, see pic>>223815698I mean, he usually didn't. Staffs weren't a major part of the regalia and ornamentation used by Aztec rulers (though some other Mesoamerican civilizations like the Maya had royal scepters). There are some depictions like in the Codex Tovar where different kings of Tenochtitlan are holding what looks like an atlatl dart or arrow, this is also seen in the Codex Ixtlilxochitl with the depction of Tocuepotzin(?), but I don't think it's depicted anywhere else major?Scepters and staffs were def a part of the regalia of different deities though
>>223815815They speak Mayan because they ARE Mayan. I can't believe some people don't know Mayans still exist. You even have English-speaking Mayans in Belize.
>>223816040Yeah, that's what I meant, man. There are places where the precolombian peoples and traditions are still alive, if somewhat modified.
>>223815986>mesoamerica anon browses /tv/Hello, based department?
>>223815797They're still mayan communities in central america, Peru still has a lot of quechua speaking people, Paraguay has two official languages: spanish and guaraní
Just binged this kino. It was alright, although they do the thing all historical films do where everyone and everything is covered in shit 24/7. Also the digital cameras they shot it with made it look like a nature doc or something, sucked out all of the atmosphere.
>>223814508
>Bane in Spain gets thrown mainly out the plane
>>223814508Why didn't they genocide everyone like the brits did why the featherheads?
>>223814527So it wasn't part of your master plan?
>>223817419Priests tricked us and told us we were all equal in the eyes of the Lord. I wish racial science had been invented back then.
>>223814527Nobody did
>if I sanctioned you, would you die? >it would be incredibly non-binding >you’re a big economy >for EU
>>223817419Spanish chads conquered what would become Latin America by dicking down two continents.
>>223817526heh
>>223816101Not really desu, I only go see a movie like once every three years, I just check in here once in a while to see if there's a thread for me to infodump in, though these days I do that more like once every few days or maybe once a week rather then once every few months like I used to>>223816617It's a well executed movie but it's pretty terrible from a historical accuracy or even merely authenticity departmentI want to do a giant ~20 post long infodump about it eventually but you can read some smaller ones I did here in these threads:https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/221893661/#221895404https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/221921919/#221929147https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/221873240/#221883009https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/221709521/#221721177https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16425307/#16426785https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/220366437/#220387735https://archived.moe/tv/thread/204623679/#204637541https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/152289244/#152310774https://archived.moe/lit/thread/25015193/#25041194Though I think there's a few more beyond these I did that I never wrote down
>>223814508Yo soja españñññññol
>>223817454Let me check the flight plan I filed with the agency.....It's not listed
>>223814699The plane in Spain falls mainly in le Bains
>>223814508He should have a carrack behind him
>>223815797Most latinos don't come from conquistadors
>>22381579780 years ago they would all claim they were Conquistadors 'n shit. Now they all claim they are Tupac Amarus 'n shit.
The shipping manifest I just filed with the Vatican lists me, my men, and Father Pablo here, but only one of you!
>>223820237>Most latinos don't come from conquistadorsWrong. That was the main SOP for spanish colonies. Fuck the indigenous population to the point that you create mulatto locals who have cultural and social ties to the spanish/portugese crown. Compare that to the English method of walling themselves off an turtling outward.
cia wouldn't notice two halves separated so far away?
>>223815797Based on how many sudacas are infesting my country right now I would say the former.
>>223815986Yeah, the whole "superior based Europeans conquered Mesoamerica with just 100 men" is one of the most annoying myths to me.
>>223815797The indigenous. It's a retarded 'brown pride' thing. Which is especially dumb considering many of them were probably from people the aztecs oppressed.
>>223815986You are such a lying piece of shitThe conquistadors did ALL the fighting, all the heavy liftingTheir "allies" (other tribes they defeated and took some soldiers from as payment) hung off to the side and guarded the baggageFucking rewriting history here to a new level. Even all the shit about the spanish 'allying' with natives is mostly bullshit. The Spanish fought ALL the natives they encountered and did ALL the heavy lifting.
Why does he wear the morion?
>>223819257mesoamerica anon what do you think about cartels coopting aztec's ways of executions? i mean removing an enemy's heart and eating it and ritualistic cannibalism, all these fuckers do it to larp as aztecs warriors and shit, but were they like this?
>>223821342And genocided ALL peoples completely. South Americans emerged spontaneously later, having been touched by the grace of God as a sort of cultural mulligan. "The spanish killed all of us, now we are the new avengers", and then everyone clapped.Oh, and the name of the first south american native? Alberto Unapiedra.
>>223821401It's the 2 repeat allele, it's just genetics. They stab and shoot and act like cartel because it's in their genes desu.
>>223817419not the same, the british(americans) faced smaller tribes while having far better technology, while in mesoamerica alone there was a population of millions
>>223814508el hombre grande
>>223821531Yo, este Pablo y Mehombray. Who was Mehombray?
>>223815797Depends on the context and the country. In some countries they always larp as conquistadors (or even better, as Europeans that came much later like in the case of Argentina) because their natives didn't amount to much. In other countries is a left vs right thing, or a class thing, or they're genetically native but identify more with the Spanish culture because they were assimilated so long ago, or they never were fully assimilated.
>>223815674Por usted
>>223815797In Latin America they almost always emphasize their white heritage cause whites and light skinned people are at the top of the totem pole in Latin American society, while injuns are looked down upon as lesser. In the US it's the other way around, second and third gen chicanos usually distance themselves from their white ancestry for woke brownie points.
>>223815797they larp as aztecs, just look at their mma champions
>>223817308kek
>>223815986why did the Spanish end up ruling over the natives even though they were so heavily reliant on the support of the natives as you claim?
>>223821569>In other countries is a left vs right thingits not as easy, for example in mexico the president, jewish, is anti spanish and is left wing, but there is a communist guerilla in the south of the country that, after the president said something that i dont recall, maybe asking for an apoligy from spain, and the communist guerrilla took a prospanish stance
>>223821698That's why I said that it depends on the context, but you can't deny the tendency.
>>223820237wut latinos didn't exist until conquistadors raped them into existence
>>223815797The first gen Mexicans that I've known that have come across the border name their kids the whitest shit imaginable, Chester and Abagail and stuff like that. Puritan white. Then all their kids name their kids stuff like Coyotl and Ixcatzin, stuff so beanered out that nobody knows how to pronounce it so they end up being called by their middle names, those usually coming from family from their grandparents generation, Jose, etc. I guess the point of this is that American culture at this point is such endless propaganda even families that have been here for less than a full generation fall into the same racial traps as everyone else.
>>223820237depends on what do you mean by conquistador, if you mean from spanish descent, maybe, most latinx have at least 20% of spanish blood, if you mean of the first spaniards that when to the continent and conquered the natives, not likely
>>223821974>AbagailOr more precisely "Abigail" is a common name in mexico
>>223814508Someone do one of that guy from Cypress Hill saying "Membrane?"
>>223814508you don't get to bring your territory into the 20th century.
>>223814508THE BANE OVER UKRAINE STAYS MAINLY ON MY PLANE
>>223815986
>>223814508They we’re trying to grab your goldThey work for the Governor of Cuba the friend of the Archbishop.
>>223814508If I took your heart out would you die?
>>223814508just watch POTC 4 and it's easy to forget how based the spaniards were back in the dayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjFIj_p86zo
>>223815797Depends on the country. "Latino" or latin-american is not a single monolithic group. I'm of mexican descent and mexican culture is a mixture of indigenous and spanish cultures with certain aspects leaning in one direction and other aspects in other. For example traditional mexican food heavily leans indigenous but has some obvious influences with spanish and even arabic cuisine. Other areas like religion are obviously spanish(european) with some indigenous sprinkles. Worth pointing out that mexicans from mexico are not the same as mexican-americans or "chicanos". Also mexico is a fairly big country and each region has various ethnic and cultural leanings. No different than the USA with stereotypical californians compared to appalachians
>>223819257Initially I was confused what culture they were even attempting to depict at the start, living in straw huts with no signs of agriculture. I assumed it was meant to be some isolated tribe of hunter gatherers, outside the Maya civilization, and the film was going for a Conan the Barbarian noble savage type of deal.The depiction of the city, with literal mounds of rotting corpses, paired with the quote the movie starts with, kind of did give me the feeling that Mel Gibson thinks they Maya got what they deserved.
well, i follow a venezuelan girl, born here, white passing dirty blonde light eyes, that is voting for the right wing party, whose uncle died in the recent earthquake in venezuela but, since he was a chavist, she was im not going to say happy but wasnt sad about it. And i want to have babies with her, thanks for listening to my ted talk
>>223822053You're missing the point. First gens give their kids names from their adopted country, second gens are convinced Mexico is better but they've never been there and give their kids names that not even actual Mexicans use.
>>223821679He is so full of shit.The myth that they had all this "help" from their "native allies" is something that's been going around a while, and mostly false, but he takes it to the next level and claims the natives did everything.No, they did next to nothing. The Spanish fought and defeated every native group they came across. Their "allies" made no difference, they won with or without them.This retard made his whole thing this, and managed to get it this wrong. I'm guessing he majored in 'latin american cultural studies' or some crap like that and that is where he got all this from.
>>223822582Yeah, nope. The aztecs were hated by so many other tribes and civilazation and Hernan's alliances with other tribes are well documented with help of "la malinche" who helped him secure alliances. Hernan did have various skirmishes with local fighters where he and his men completely obliterated them, which help cement his military superiority. But he did in the end get a lot of support from many other natives.
>>223822670You aren't contradicting anything I said.Cortes fought EVERY native group he came across, often multiple times. As a condition for peace, he would demand food, laborers, livestock, etc and in some case soldiers. Which he mostly stuck off to the side guarding their baggage while the Spanish did the fighting.It made no difference how many Indians they put in the field against the Spanish. After the Noche Triste, when the Spaniards were all starved, injured, exhausted, wet powder, and their horses drowned, an brand new Aztec army of 50k formed up to face the thousand or so Spanish survivors. And the Spaniards cut through them like butter.Indian warriors were of no relevance in the campaigns, and nobody rushed to ally with the Spaniards, they all tried to kill them.
>>223822222CHECKED
>>223814527The inquisition?
>>223815797it depends
>>223822222>Checked>"Someone make a note of that man's bravery."Gets me every time. The Spaniards are without a doubt the best part of the movie.
>>223824879was that their only scene or do they play a wider role?
>>223824906They have a couple scenes but they mostly play a background role.The whole premise is that the Spanish and English kings are competing as to who will get a claim to the Fountain of Youth first. Blackbeard is afraid of death so he wants to get to it first, so does jack but he and Barbarossa want to get the Pearl back from Blackbeard. The story focuses mostly on Jack, Blackbeard, and totally-not-a-knock-off-Will-Turner and the fish he wants to fuck. It's been a while since I've seen the movie tho, I think I'll re-watch it next weekend.
>>223822222Dude Spaniards were so based that the Aztecs thought he was their Christ that was prophesized to return, they just had this aura and the locals had to worship them and even when they realized they weren't the true Lord they took on Jesus because he MUST be The True Lord since these sick dudes told them so.
Leave the Spaniards to me.
>>223816617They were mostly clean, just ceremonial paints on their body.
>>223814508kek
>>223816995god Portugal is an eyesore, imagine if California was it's own country just carved out of the side of the US.Either Spain needs to conquer Portugal or vis versa or they should unify so their borders aren't such a mess
>>223815797Troy lost and got massively gaped yet every subsequent civilization from the roman to the french went on to claim being their descendants as an excuse to bully the Greek.
>>223826382>Either Spain needs to conquer Portugal or vis versa or they should unifyKek they were in union briefly at some point. It is more likely for Spain to disintegrate than to annex Portugal.
>>223814508my mothafuckin MANi nominate you for king of the BOAARRDDDD
>if you sacrifice your people, will it please your gods and rain?
>>223817308lmaoooo nigga
>>223822145>IN SPAAAAIIINNN>BAAAAAANNNEEE????
>>223826679>exaxahuaniliztli
>Perhaps he's wondering why you would cut a man's heart out before throwing him off a pyramid
>>223825202The fire rises.
>>223821342>Fucking rewriting history here to a new level. Even all the shit about the spanish 'allying' with natives is mostly bullshit. The Spanish fought ALL the natives they encountered and did ALL the heavy lifting.This is your brain on space marines
>>223821807I could go for some tendies
>>223821974Those retarded names like axlotil or xochtil are modern larp. Nobody in mexico 100 years ago were using those fake aztec names
>>223828738They have always been used and mexico is full of locations with those names. Xochitl is a common mexican name that means flower, and there's a place in mexico city called Xochimilco which means field of flowers
>>223828818It is precisely in this river where the Axolotl comes from btw
>>223815986You really expect these zoomer chuds to read all that senpai?
>>223828738Nahuatl was one of the official languages of New Spain and those names were common back then among Nahuatl speakers. After the independence, and for around 100 years, native languages were marginalized so they wouldn't have been so common during the 19th century, but after the Mexican Revolution in 1910, and especially after José Vasconcelos' work as Secretary of Public Education in the early 20's and his philosophy of the "cosmic race", the Amerindian heritage became an important part of the Mexican national identity so some Spanish speakers started to use names in Nahuatl too. A lot of the time the use of those names was kinda larpy anyway, kind of like the Greek names that were used all over Latin America around the same time, but 100 years ago some people were in fact using those "fake aztec names".>>223829066Mesomerican anon is cool, I always read his dumps. They are very interesting, and it's a topic with a lot of misinformation.
>>223829372These dudes watch crap like Matt Walsh's new history vids and think they are now experts. Sprinkle memes, 4ch racism, buzzwords and the anon angst and cynicism that permeates the site. You are mostly wasting your time. It's great that you enjoy and have taken the time to learn this stuff. But trying to educate these anons on this subject matter, is like trying to teach calculus to a cat.
>>223819257woah
>>223819257>I just check in here once in a while to see if there's a thread for me to infodump inOkay, BASED!
>>223829372Yeah I knowIve been here since 2014 and have seen his posts on /his/ throughout the years
>>223830364He also posts on /k/ and /tg/.
>>223819257>just check in here once in a while to see if there's a thread for me to infodump inkek
>>223821122Except that is what Pizarro did in Peru, no local allies just ambush in town square and take the king hostage
>>223817308lol
>>223821342Esto está mal. Los españoles sí se aliaron con los indios y los equipaban con armas europeas cuando podían.Tanto los conquistadores como los indios aliados lucharon duro.
>>223815986>>223819257Cont:>>223817419Part of it was that they simply couldn't: EX: Mesoamerica was, by some estimates, as densely populated as major parts of Europe at contact (and while the Andes and esp. other parts of LATAM were less dense than Mesoamerica, they still had more people than you'd think), and even moderate-ish estimates for the Aztec Empire have it more densely populated than Spain then (Tho IDK how reliable the Spanish population estimates I saw were, I can only gauge the reputability of the Aztec estimates)Even conquering the region as they did thanks to diseases and alliances with local states was kinda a fluke (to an extent: some notable European influence over the region was inevitable after they found the Americas when they did) that just managed to snowball in Spain's favor, which is something Spanish sources themselves discuss at the time (they were terrified that if a a mass revolt of the states they managed to acquire occurred, it'd be unstoppable), so trying to outright eradicate the native population rather then just colonize them would have been a basically impossible task, and frankly counterproductive: If it was clear Spain's goal was genocide rather then assimilation, then local states would have no reason to ally with the Spanish, depriving Spain a gigantic majority of the manpower, resources, intel and infrastructure they relied on to staff, supply, direct and launch campaigns with and from. IDK if there's serious scholarly work arguing this, but Spain encountering giant empires, kingdoms etc with inarguably sophisticated artistic, political, social, and intellectual achievements, huge cities etc also may have been a factor, enabling the Spanish to develop more respect (and many Spaniards DID respect them, see pic, tho obviously that didn't stop Spain from still killing and enslaving people at times) for Indigenous groups than the English, American etc colonists did, who encountered less complex societies3/?
SPAIN
>>223832240The whole "the Spanish GENOCIDED the natives" thing was a meme pushed by the english and the french. Even to this day, many mexicans and other people from South America still believe this bullshit propaganda when in reality the Spanish mostly killed natives when they were annoying or dangerous
>>223832240Meso-anon, do you have information on what they thought of native food?
>>223826963Looks like the singer from Malcriada
>>223815797I'd say depends on the country, Spain took control of some areas, but then got their asses beaten and ran away like pussies after having control for years, so they don't really seem cool to larp as in the areas where that happened
>>223832862Eres marrón y te equivocas. Las guerras de independencia fueron una secesión del imperio. Los realistas no eran exclusivamente peninsulares, eran criollos, mestizos e indígenas. De igual manera entre los independistas habían peninsulares traidores a la corona. Seguramente eres mexicano y te tragaste el cuento del indigenismo progre.
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>>223832970why do you lie?
>>223833014
>>223828738The aztecs still exist anongranted, they live in shitty little mountain villages instead of the palaces of yester-year, but they still speak Nahuatl dialects natively and name their kids the same shit as always.
>>223820963CIA was on the plane, what does it matter what he thinks after the crash?
>>223814508>if I take off with your gold would you collapse?>it would be extremely inflationary>you're a rich guy>for you
>>223832970>oh no not the stinky sloppy slop :(((((faggot
>>223833382lol, good one
>>223833014>>223833390stfu spamjeet
>>223833685you're brown
I am a spaniard living in some rocks next to the coast of the SaharaYou can ask me anything. Except for who the masked man is
>>223833741how much do you hate the AI poster schizoid who keeps making these threads every 20 minutes
>>223833887I only hate him because he won't make my BRAIN? idea.
Who has the better hat?
>>223831334That was the beginning of a lengthy and bloody war to control Peru though (fought mainly by natives, since it was in many ways a continuation of the civil war that was in progress when Pizarro arrived). It wasn't as simple as checkmating the Incan Emperor.
>>223832090>>223832933English speaking imageboard, Pedro. Either translate your shit or fuck off to /int/.
>>223832090The spanish barely had any guns, much less enough to give their indian allies. The first expedition they had like 8 muskets and one cannon. And still beat indian armies of tens of thousands. >>223832596they thought the long pig was gross
>>223832240What about the Aztecs though, specifically their belief in sacrifice? From what I saw on /his/ it was absolutely insane, not just the human killings but it was part of every aspect of life. Your crops bloom late? Better cut your penis and bleed on the ground. You wanted to steal something? Better cut your hand and bleed. Just seems insane.
>>223814508'La Bola Negra' (lit. "The Nigger Ball") will steal Odyssey's Oscar.
>>223836592I would rather watch a 'Negra en Bola' (lit. "Naked Kween").
>>223836858Needs colonization correction
>>223836858The decolonization of Africa was a mistake. By now all african women would look like that kween and white men would not have to suffer the obnoxious white women. It's joever.
>>223836032Funnily enough, when I lived in South America (being a pale as milk Slav) all the stereotypes about how horny women would be for me proved to be true.
>>223836946If you think nigs aren't obnoxious is because you haven't interacted with one.
Daily reminder that in the 1400s women didn't shave, they didn't have much for make up, and they smelled like sweat and body oder. They didn't work didn't do specialized workouts to build their butts and legs with fat and muscle while leaving their waste hourglass. Women did not look sexualized in the past like they are now.
>>223836983You didn't understand it, I didn't say nigs are not obnoxious, I said that if the mixing / colonization still existed today, all black women would look like the one from the webm. And if we were luck, perhaps less obnoxious than current women, both black and white.
>>223825202>Leave the Spaniards to me.More like "leave the spaniards to meaaaaarrrrggghhhhh...". hahahahaha
>>223821122>romans conquer gauls with at least 1:10 ratio with mere battle tactics>conquistadors not able to do the same or better with horses, cannons, guns and proper steellmao
>>223823747the red robe man
>>223835569Retard
>>223837124I don't dignify this with an awoooga-esque reply. You know exactly what you're trying to do here.
>>223817308insane
>>223815797I'm from a country on the borderlands of the empire where there wasn't an epic conquest like in Peru or Mexico, but the creation of the country is valued. The identification is more with the post independence 19th century stuff and recent family history of each person since LARPing like Spaniards from 500 years ago would be exaggerated.
>>223838315email me some dmt
>>223817308Perdy good
>>223815797Most conquistador did lose though, we just get the highlights of those who succeeded (and then died horribly and often in debt)
>>223817419>>223817457They were just repeating their Moorish invasion roots
>>223837406Caesar was one of the greatest men/generals to ever live though, looked at how he mogged fellow Roman armiesHe thoroughly embarrassed Pompey fucking Magnus (the Great)
>>223837406>>223839815>believing the Queen of Bithynia's statsLmao
>>223822147>calling 6 lines of text "All that shit"You're self reporting on your own illiteracy
>>223837406logistics wins wars anon
>>223841881NTA but the Spaniards basically bounced from city state to city state, fighting and conquering each and then taking whatever supplies and food they neededThe 'mesoamerican anon' is so absurdly wrong it's outrageous. He is doing the equivalent of talking about how it was actually black women who put us on the moon
What is it with the Iberian Peninsula constantly getting mogged by single British guys?Not the British army or Navy, but just one British guy with one ship?The Spanish sent an entire Armarda to try to invade Britain of some shit, but their whole fleet was fucking sunk by Francis Drake and his one little ship. He was so cocky he even set his slave trader mates boat on fire and sent it towards them as a warning. A whole boat, that sent the message "we don't even need all our boats to dispose of shit on our shoe like you".To add insult to injury, he even finished his game of boules on Plymouth Hoe before he went to destroy them as he was pretty sure he could beat the Spanish nonces with one hand tied behind his back.Then for good measure Drake went to Cadiz, "synged tbe kinge of Spain's beard" in person, and took most of the treasure the Spaniards had looted from the Aztecs.The whole of Europe was laughing at the Spanish, constantly getting fucked in the arse by Drake.Then the Portuguese spent millions in todays money setting up exclusive trade with Japan, to get it taken from them by William Adams who got shipwrecked there, became a Samuri and told the Shogun what massive twats the Portuguese were, setting in motion them getting expelled from the country.
>>223842177>The 'mesoamerican anon' is so absurdly wrong it's outrageous. He is doing the equivalent of talking about how it was actually black women who put us on the moonexplain how?
>>223842981I already did. The Spanish did all the fighting. Their allies were basically irrelevant. He is acting like the Indian "allies" did all the hard work. >>223821342>>223835750
>>223843008>The Spanish did all the fighting. Their allies were basically irrelevant. He is acting like the Indian "allies" did all the hard work.isn't the "indigenous allies did all the fighting" thing common knowledge? iirc during the war on Tenochtitlan it's like 1% spaniard, like less than 200 guys after the noche triste, and during the expansionist wars in aftermath it's the same thing. There weren't enough Spaniards to go around for all that. These are big cities they were fighting, like what you'd find in the classical mediterranean era, (I just looked it up tlaxcallan is the size of lime 6 pompeiis.) It's sort of like 40k where space marines are super OP but there's only like 1000 of them per space marine chapter, so it's obviously unrealistic to think they'd be conquering planets, and the lore just kinda ignores that they're spread too thin.
>>223843185>isn't the "indigenous allies did all the fighting" thing common knowledge?Common bullshit, yes> iirc during the war on Tenochtitlan it's like 1% spaniard, like less than 200 guys after the noche triste, and during the expansionist wars in aftermath it's the same thing. It was all Spaniards doing all the fighting. Remember, they had no "allies" to start and went up against huge cities and armies. As I keep saying, if they had allied soldiers with them, they mostly had them off guarding the baggage while the Spanish did the fighting.It was all Spaniards after the Noche Triste and they destroyed a giant Aztec army like nothingAt some point, academics decided to push this bullshit about the "indian allies" being oh so important because it made the mexicans look bad to accurately show how badly they got continually defeated by small groups of Spaniards. It's just the PC partly line, same as saying 'ackshually without black women we would have never gone to the moon' and all that.
>>223843245why are you trolling?
>>223843555Why can nobody give me a straight response?
>>223843245>It was all Spaniards doing all the fighting. Remember, they had no "allies" to start and went up against huge cities and armies.Dude this is gigantically wrong. When the spanish started making contact they were not instantly attacked. They were fed and sheltered. They were also not the first europeans to land in the americas. Cortes' conquest was calculated. Yes they had superior technology, warfare knowledge, etc.... but the illusion that they just landed and started single handedly slaughtering hoards after hoards of natives is just that, an illusion.
disease did most of the work
>>223822066
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>>223822145Rex Harrison sternly breaking Hepburn of her Cockney is extremely erotic. Her performance makes me diamonds. Classic film.
>>223821122Look, no matter what trivial subtleties you inject into the narrative, the Spanish arrived with a few dozen men and within a few months the place became the domain of the Spanish empire. Latinos speak Spanish, worship Spanish religion, their musical and culinary traditions are Spanish, and even the dominant paternal haplogroup is R1’s, which is Spanish. It was total domination, no matter how you try to spin it.
>>223836946>The decolonization of Africa was a mistakeit sure as fuck was
>>223844162>R1’sR1BThe fucking EnEs keyboard sucks.
>>223817308Kek
>>223843555Why are you replying to him? You can't argue with his brand of stubborn moron.
>>223814530no
>>223843782>When the spanish started making contact they were not instantly attacked. They were fed and sheltered.I am talking about Cortes. Every single indian group that met him tried to kill them. He had to pacify each and every one.> but the illusion that they just landed and started single handedly slaughtering hoards after hoards of natives is just that, an illusion.Explain>>223844754I am amenable to reason. However in order for that to happen you need to make some sort of actual counter argument, instead of just these snide swipes
>>223843245Sexless kirkcel chud
>>223814508immortal meme
>>223832090Silly Latinx, obviously the conquistadors cut thought the brutal and savage indios and their pathetic hide and wooden weapons like a hot knife through butter. A single Tercio could kill 50,000 indios in a day by just walking forwards while firing their arquebuses. Cortes personally conquered Tenochtitlan with only 4 soldiers to guard his flank, cleaving through the brown and bloody sea of savages with his mighty blade like a White god of Wrath come down to earth
>>223847107I'm not sure what you think this nonsense accomplishesExplain to me the battle after the Noche Triste, when the Spaniards were starved, exhausted, and wounded, their powder wet and horses drowned and, after finally escaping the city, the Aztecs met them in the field with a fresh army of 50,000. What happened, exactly? Did their Indian allies ride in an save the day? I forget
>>223847150yo era sarcástico, bro
>>223847257Yeah no shit, you were sarcastically mocking my accurate opinion. I am trying to get a single one of you to even give me a straight answer to the various arguments I bring up and it's impossible. I don't know why everyone is so retarded on this issue. Apparently literally none of you read Bernal Diaz. I thought that was a basic requirement.
>>223814508The rain?in Spain?at this time of yearfalling mostly on the plains?
>>223822145I want to lick every single part of prime Audrey
>>223832970aww, is the little cuckold seething? the little friendless retard?
>>223825202based
>>223844754>Why are you replying to him? You can't argue with his brand of stubborn moron.dude shut up, I'll argue with whoever I like
>>223814508https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhXoxl911wQ
>>223842537>John Hawkins: Drake, Drake! The Spanish are here with a fleet of over 100 heavily armed ships, to try and invade Britain!>Drake: The Spanish? LOL and indeed ROFOL, my Slave trading cousin, they're gay nonces to a man. I am in the middle of a game of boules here, I guess I'll go out thgere with my 1 boat and destroy the lot of them, AFTER I finish. Give me your best boat too, I have plans.>Hawkins: Now you promise me you won't just set it on fire and send it at them as a dick-wave about how we can beat them with one boat, right?>(Drake looks at the camera, winks and smirks)
*Record Scratch* *Freeze Frame*Yup, that's me, King Philip II of Spain. You're probably wondering how I got into this situation...There I was in Cadiz, with all my army and conquistadors and a fort filled with gold we looted from the Americas, and in swaggers in the mayor of Plymouth.
>>223849796PFFT AHHAHA
>>223814699within the rain?
Was the story of Don Quixote meant to ridicule or pity the mentality of the conquistadors?
>>223844162>It was total domination, no matter how you try to spin it.I'm beginning to suspect some malevolent demiurges were involved in the whole affair
Bumping this gem
>>223849796Who would win? The entire British empire, or 1 Dutch admiral with a funny idea?LolLmao
>>223850556what do you know about Don Quixote? America is namedroped but nobody gives a fuck about it there, it is mostly a social critique to the XVI century Spain.
>>223814717WHICH ONE OF YOU FUCKERS CUT A HOLE IN THE SKY?
>>223832240>Using Las Casas as a sourceMight as well quote wikipedia.
>>223842537Do NOT look up the english armada or battle of Cartagena de Indias bud, might burst your bubble
>>223821974IT'S PRONOUNCED *****LA-TINKS***** FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!!!!!
>>223837406>Caesar's army of 20k Romans defeated a coalition of nearly 300k Gauls even when every evidence pointed out that it was logistically, agriculturally, and demographically impossible but since I read it in a book written by Julius Caesar then it must be true
>>2238369463rd world foreign immigration should be exclusive young women and the occasional prodigy/genius
>>223849796Good show, ol’ boy.
>>223852906
>>223851976>but since I read it in a book written by Julius Caesar then it must be true
>>223851769cope
>>223854390seethe
>>223814717>Your sun is black
>>223816995Tell me about Spain, why does it have the Basque?
>>223850556nah, cervantes was a patriot, he was fought in lepanto
>>223829066it's really not that long
>>223814530maybe
>>223851714why's that, birdbrain?
>>223849796Maximum swagger.
>>223815797As a chilean I think only argentinians larp as europeans but not spainiards tho, its weird we dont care about spanish that much
>>223851769>don't look up shite that never happened or at best was exagerated by the seething Spaniel.Just be content that you are moderately good at football and shooting ping-pong balls out of your minges.
>>223859865cope
>>223835224oh wow, i actually (mostly) understood what the indio was saying here. My Classical Nahuatl studies are paying off.
>>223854495Difficult terrain too hard to control and assimilate by external powers until the modern era, so they kept their pre-Indoeuropean language going
>>223860220NTA but why bother responding if that is all you have to say? Try harder at life. This whole exchange was gay and stupid really
>>223860349 (me)Also even for those areas that were hispanised they preserved strong autonomous political institutions and a sense of their own ethnicity, which with the standarization of the language and their introduction in the regional education system has resulted in a strond resurgence
>>223851769Just wait until he reads some actual history books—instead of the nonsense found on some shitty blog—and finds out that they lost that war. He’ll learn that, following the incident with the Armada (which was caused by unusually severe storms), they suffered nothing but massive, humiliating defeats for fifteen straight years, right up until the peace treaty—a treaty they themselves described as a "national disgrace." He’ll also learn that Drake himself—after being humiliated, and acting like the cowardly pirate he always was—tried to attack isolated, defenseless settlements in the Caribbean, only to get his ass kicked so thoroughly again that he ended up dying like a dog from bloody dysentery, hahahaha. Or how entire towns—like Mousehole, Paul, Newlyn, and Penzance—were burned to the ground during land raids, much like how, two centuries earlier, the Castilian admiral Fernando Sánchez de Tovar set fire to the entire south of England (even sailing up the Thames to torch the outskirts of London and plunder to his heart's content for an entire week).
>>223842537>The Spanish sent an entire Armarda to try to invade Britain of some shit,England lost more ships that the Spanish Armada had on the retaliation attack in the north coast of Spain, which was a total disaster.Look it up, because I'm sure they don't teach you that.
>first Hancock/Dibble thread from a few days ago 404'd before I could finish replying to stuff there, the second got pruned by the jannies right as I had time to resume dumping>A number of threads on /his/ and one from /tg/ also 404'd before I could start or finish dumping>this thread has had 200+ posts in the time I've only been able to make ~2 repliesThis has not been my week>>223832240>>223817419Cont:While I just said "IDK if there's...scholarly work arguing [the Spanish finding sophisticated civilizations made them respect and be less willing to displace or wipe out Indigenous groups like the English, American etc colonists did]", I DO know for a fact that said respect was a factor in the personal motivation of various Spaniards to convert Mesoamerican people:Cortes outright says that "[the Mesoamericans] live more equally than any other...which we have...come across]" and that "many...would very quickly [convert]" as a result if missionaries were sent. And various friars remarked that their Mesoamerican students learn scripture, theology etc faster and more enthusiastically then their Spanish students (Sahagun, see pic, even noted the rapid success of native students at Colegio de Santa Cruz de Tlatelolco so greatly terrified some Spanish priests who initially laughed at the idea of Indigenous students being taught, that said priests tried to then shut the school down), and lamented that pagan priests and adherents were similarly more devout with their religion than local Spanish Catholic priests and congregation wereThis ties into the next reason, which is that despite the focus on the greed and ambition of Conquistadors and various colonial officials, or on slavery (or things close to it), inquisitions etc happening; many Spanish conquistadors, officials, and especially friars were genuinely interested in converting people to Christianity,4/?
>>223817457>worships science instead of the word of godcuck
>>223860278What prompted you to study it?
>>223851976Well let's see what the guals wrote
>>223818026>Dicking dow>Only 5 of latinoamericans are white outside argentina and Uruguay Uh?
>>223820916You think mexicans look like spaniards?Mestizos always have some trait of whites, but mexicans are full native americans
>>223864302mesoanon's autism infected me, and the language itself is kind of interesting. I'm not studying it very fastidiously to be quite honest, but it's nice to pick-up on bits and pieces whenever i see them.
>>223822498White venezuelan? They are like 1% and 00000,1% in latamYou found gold nigga
>>223828878>Most famous animal in Mexico>Barely anything is being done to save it's natural habitat which is also one of the most famous tourist destinations in the country and is also one of it's most intact remnants of the daily life of it's ancient civilizationsWhat did Xochimilco do to Mexican politicians to justify the lack of conservation efforts?
>>223814527I did
>>223863069ah, so they're both incompetent retards? good to know. with Spain it's still more pathetic, since they wasted all that wealth they pillaged on a fleet they blew up and on wars that ended the Italian renaissance.
>>223863069Spain lost nearly all it's massive gallons and warships to one Brit, who was laughing at them the whole time.England had a tactic of floating burning old ships laden with explosives, that were otherwise going to scrapped, towards the spanish fleet as a weapon. In their what-about-ery the desperate spanish count these fireships as lost English ships, which is like getting killed by a headshot and bragging that somehow you won because you stopped that bullet by getting killed by it. Also the British ships were much smaller and more maneuverable, than the big spanish warships so taking out 1 bloated spanish ship was the equivalent of taking out about 10 plucky Brit boats. Look it up, because I'm sure they don't teach you that.
Have you heard of Huemac, /tv/?
>>223860349If I dissolved the ETA, would it die?
>>223832970>NOOOOOOOO WHY ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING THINGS INSTEAD OF SHITPOSTING
>If I hijacked your SSL certificate would you die?>It would be extremely vulnerable>You're a big private key>4
>>223868900In fact it was not even 1/3 of the whole spanish armada lol the majority of its vessels are spread around the globe
>>223863069A great portion of its fleet was lost because the weather, altrough not entirely, while some agains the british... it was a disaster evidently but not the worse
>>223842537>>223849796In fact the wars and battles agains britain and france are eve, same goes to the crusaders, now you can go to sleep, anglo golem
>>223850882The ''British'' didn't existed in that time and are not an empire, this came later
>/his/ attention whore makes threads he can dump his spic worship cope here tookek
>>223817419No one did, there is no deliberate or intentional genocide by the part of the europeans in that time, be it the english, castillians, french or whatever... these retarded ideas came later
>>223815986>native kings were actively manipulating cortezLol. Who was manipulating who in the end? Pure machiavellianism. Cortez was based as fuck.
>>223869935To be fair, Zeus did that tranny shit to trick dudes into having sex with him
>>223822780mate
>>223815986So what you're saying is a small group of Europeans was clever and resourceful enough to manipulate a bunch of savages into killing each other off for them? Wow, that makes them even cooler!
>>223874820He's just wrong. He refuses to respond to my posts in this thread. He is giving you the gay gender studies version of what happened. In reality, the Spanish btfo the Indians every which way and their 'allies' were irrelevant.
>>223874896Yea, that was some serious cope.
>>223821355for you
>>223817419ESL moment; they misinterpreted the meaning of the word "bang."
>>223860220no u
>>223875962>>223874896I'd say be patient and I'll reply to your posts in a bit, but I have been so busy I've barely replied to stuff over ~5 days now, so I don't blame you for thinking I'm avoiding it. I'll try to get through the rest of the thread over the next few hoursBoth you are also 100% incorrect. >>223874820 in particular should already know that not even the Spanish considered them savages, as seen in the pic I posted in >>223832240, though that's not the only incorrect part of your post there, because local Mesoamericans kings, senators, and other officials were calling the shots as much as Cortes was, and were manipulating and using him as much as he using them (tho I can't comment on how often this happened in subsequent campaigns, I suspect local rulers, officials etc were only that influential in the Cortes campaign) I'll clarify on this in tons of detail when I get to this part of the thread4.5/?
this thread needs to die
how the fuck is this thread alive
>>223880718I posted >>223814527took a 3 day ban in another thread and this one is still up.
>We're Dunn HeerWho was Dunn Heer? was it two people in one body? or was it Dunn & Heer?
>>223880760I think it was referencing two people from a prequel scene.
>>223880714Then show me the body
>>223850556why does he hate windmills
>>223822147Read or die, its gods will.
>>223828878People sometimes eat these things right, or used to? what do they taste like?
>>223836858>hips made for picking cotton
>>223883302Chinks do. Which is hilarious. It's not even some thing they ate because they were poor starving peasants. They saw some weird barely edible creature and their instincts kicked in I guess.
>>223880384>>>223874820 in particularDon't address his shitpost. Address mine>>223822582>>223822719This is all straight from Bernal Diaz. What is wrong in it?
>>223880384>>223875962>>223874896Also by "I suspect local rulers, officials etc were only that influential in the Cortes campaign", I specifically meant rulers and officials: local mesoamerican ARMIES were still extremely influential in later campaigns, I'm just not sure the leadership was like they were during the Cortes expeditionI am also happy to post some of the uncut versions of quotes in the pic in >>223832240 or their original Spanish, Italian, German etc text if necessary to prove they're not taken out of context, if you specify 2-3 you want that for>>223884626I'll reply to your stuff next>>223832240>>223817419ContConversely, a more cynical explanation (and which may tie into my first point regarding there simply being too many people around to even make complete genocide or displacement a option) is that Spanish colonialism had extracting economic resource and goods was it's end goal, and in order to do that, it's beneficial to have a larger labor force or slavesAs far as I'm aware, part of the goal or idea was that the Spanish would use Indigenous labor to get those resources, be it as explicit slaves (though using Indigenous people as slaves was outlawed after a time), or being put in positions not that far from it. But some of those reforms/laws passed to protect Indigenous people, and really more than that, the 90-99% population collapse from diseases exacerbated by political instability, warfare, displacement, drops in sanitation standards etc over the 16th century (pic, tho i'm iffy with some specifics of these estimates) made using Mesoamericans as the main labor force impossibleBy contrast as I understand it, British, American etc colonialism was much more focused on just acquiring land then goods/resources to sell and to enrich elites, so there wasn't as much a need or incentive to keep local peoples around, as I said there were simply less people in what's now the US and Canada then Mexico, Guatemala etc to begin with, etc5/?
>>223873315Why wouldn't dudes want to have sex with Zeus? weren't the greeks gay?
>>223814508Nobody knows anything about Spain.
I just know that the anons triggered by Meso-anon are brown.
